ITT: Games absolutely NO ONE defends.

It was better than the original.

neo-/v/ will defend anything just a be a contrarian

>>387639481
i had fun playing it

useless thread

>>387639650
>I had fun
Not a defense. Even the biggest retards can have fun playing the worst games

>>387639920
it's been a long time, so i cant remember it very well. Can you llist the problems you have with it? let me try to refute them.

stream threads were great though

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>that 360 stream with /v/

>>387640176
>Animations for every little thing such as taking objects when there was none in the first two
>Rope arrows can only be used on specific places, when they could be used on any wooden surface in the first two
>Gave you an incredibly detailed map when the first ones gave you realistic maps that fit in with the game universe
>Levels were far more streamlined in their design while levels in the older games allowed for many solutions to the problem
>Removed moss arrows for no reason

>>387639481
Has nothing in common with the old games, except that in both games theres a thief and his name is garrett. Thats it.

They made so many terrible decisions during the development, what the hell. My fav so far was when some dev explained how in the end of all levels, garrett had to flee from the place in action packed sequences. Then somebody asked "how is he a masterthief when he fucks up everytime and has to flee?"

After that moment, they changed a lot of endings

>>387640176
https://youtu.be/jPqwDGXxLhU

>>387640790
>animations
i really wouldnt consider this a negative

the rest are valid complaints, but a natural development given how almost every publisher wants even the biggest idiots to play their game

i still enjoyed the gameplay and there were a bunch of points where i had to use my brain.

no doubt the first one is better (haven't played it) but to call the new one indefensible is pushing it too far. It was still a decent game

>>387641182
that is a great video

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>>387639481
the only valid post coming through!

>>387641340
No it severely slows down gameplay for no reason whatsoever, in the past games when I see something I click a button and that's all there is I can immediately move around afterwards but in Thi4f when there are multiple things I want to loot I have to watch a two to three second animation each time. Sure it's a minor problem compared to the other faults but it's not something that should exist to begin with.

>>387641638
there is no objective negative to this though. I can't remember if it bothered me or not, but the developers obviously added these animations to increase immersion and i am 95% sure that the reason why the first game didnt have those was technical/budget limitations

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>>387641182
>there's nothing wrong with modern games you're just cynical

>>387639481
I always forget it exists then some fag has to bring it up. It's an insult to the franchise. Thief should've just stayed dead after Deadly Shadows. A 3rd person Thief game just doesn't work well at all. If there ever is another installment, I at least hope it's 1st person.

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>>387639481
It was an okay game. I just wasn't an okay Thief game.

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>>387641610
That game is essential for it's game culture contribution.

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>>387642210
>3rd person

>>387641610

I dunno, it wasn't all that bad considering that it was made in only 5 weeks. Duke Nukem Forever, on the other hand...

>>387642727
Duke nukem forever being released only was developed like 3 years with some design documents left over from previous years.

>>387641610
That was the first game I ever played. I can't hate it.

>>387641823
>but the developers obviously added these animations to increase immersion
I'm sure that's the reasoning behind it but it makes no sense because there's nothing immersive about taking an unnecessarily long time to pick up individual items, since you'd want to to that as quickly as possible in case a guard shows up.
My counterpoint to this not being in the old games for technical and budget reasons is that Dishonored didn't do it either, and yet I remember some interview about getting the feel of picking something up without animations just right, so it was a conscious choice.

>>387639563
4chan being contrarian is one of its good qualities. The important part though, is to make thought out arguments and not just 'X is shit, Y is the best'. The real problem are the constant circle-jerks propagated by nu-anons.

>>387643609
well, IRL you actually have to move your hand, grab a thing and move it into your pocket if you want to take it. That is what immersion is about.

For gameplay purposes in regards to urgency, i agree though. They should have made the animations more dynamic and not restrict any movement when grabbing stuff

>>387642256
>It was good but not a good [series] game
Fucking end this meme argument

>>387640285
All I remember was guards talking about cock rings and a lot of EH going on.

>>387644479
Does EH stand for anything or was it just everyone's reaction to the game?

>>387644291
>That is what immersion is about
I don't know, all the games which I find most immersive (old Thief, System Shock, STALKER, games like that) don't have animations like that. Crysis handled it well at least, but I wasn't really into that game. I think it's more important that the game's controls don't draw attention to themselves, and first person animations for interactions open up a lot of chances for that to happen.

>>387644712
Garrett had only one combat grunt, which he'd make every time he used his blackjack. And there's nothing more to combat than button mashing so you get EH EH EH EH EH EH.

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>ITT: poor bait saying "i enjoyed it"

>>387645971
reasonable argument, i guess that's a challenge with making a game immersive.

on a semi-related note, i get extremely irritated with newer 3rd person games animations when walking/running just a bit. all the elaborate animations that try to make the walking more natural get wonky af when you stutter step or change directions fast. The assassins creed games are a big perpetrator.

>>387642473
Thief 3 was built from the ground up to be played in 3rd person, that's why the controls are so awkward if 1st person.

I remember the belt memes.

>>387647091
i wasn't aware. i have only played the 2014 thief

>>387647341
>>387647091
also i thought you meant the 2014 one

>>387639481

Really? Thief was the only stealth game (other than MGS4, where stealth was completely optional) that I actually enjoyed. Try harder.

>>387646667
What really boils my knickers is when games force you to walk while a character talks at you. Nothing takes me out of a game more than arbitrarily changing controls like that. I assume it's so you don't go wild and make the sequence look ridiculous, but I find that more reasonable than the game forcing you to behave. If the player's into the game, they'll behave on their own.

>>387647635
Those are both the worst games in their respective series so I'd recommend checking out any of the other games from those series.

>>387647635

Yeah about that... Thief is actually fucking awful. If you've never played the originals it might not seem THAT bad, but if you have played them it's an absolute disgrace.

How can a game from 2014 be inferior in every single way (save for graphics) to a game from 1998...?

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>>387648792
>A game from 1998 has better sound design than every AAA game released today
How the actual fuck is this acceptable?

>>387639481

For 5 dollars it was definitely a good game that I don't regret buying.

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>>387648984

Thief itself was the absolute revolution for sound design in the industry which is the most infuriating part. So much of the character of the first two is built on its sound and the ways that you interact with it. Spooky moans? Guard boots on marble? Your own footsteps on different surfaces? Every time I think about NuThief I get more and more angry.

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>>387649324
>When you hear the Horn of Quintus in the bonehoard

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>>387649475

Fuck me, time to reinstall. It's the little things that get you and never let you go with Thief and they had no fucking clue what they were doing with the new one, not even a fucking wisp of understanding of what made it so good. Even Deadly Shadows tried, though it fell flat.

It's awful that years later I'm just happy Stephen Russell didn't have anything to do with it.

>>387649324
It's awful playing stealth games these days with all sorts of HUD indicators for alertness and shit when Thief managed all that shit with well chosen sound effects.

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>>387650248
>not even a fucking wisp of understanding of what made it so good.
One of the interviews with one of the developers said how a lot of its mechanics like limited maps and what not were outdated and gamers now a days don't won't that.

There are only two Thief games as far as I'm concerned, it's a shame that LGS went under because in their short time they made some god tier games. Arkane have carried the torch and the Dishonored games are infinitely better than nu-Thief but still not quite the same level as TDP or TMA.

>>387650349

The HUD's another example of where NuThief continually fucked up too. You know instinctively what kind of light levels are going to be risky as fuck or places of refuge because the light meter is clear and consistent and the atmospheric lighting is also consistent. The darkness at the edge of your screen that you get in Thaaf? Alright, you're now making me look to the edges of the screen to try and gauge what your semi-dark environments consider to be perfect shadow, there's not even any spooky factor to the game anymore.

>>387650638

Yeah, I watched all of the interviews they gave in the lead-up. I was cautiously optimistic in the same kind of "well, it won't be as good as the others but perhaps it's got some kind of creative heart". And then the videos with the XP indications broke. And then the bitching about rope arrows. And then the swoop. I will never stop being mad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jZaYrTMBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8atVvrzycR8

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>>387651135
>That first video
Yeah nu-Thief is a good example of what happens when you try to widen the demographic of an already niche series and then end up alienating both normies and hardcore fans.

>>387639532
I will cut you

i have that game on my xbox, was thinking about playing it for a while, should i not?

>>387652817
There's an easy way to find out:
Did you play the first two Thief games?
Did you enjoy it?
If you answered yes to both questions, then no, don't play it.
If you answered no to the first question, go play Thief 1 and 2.
If you answered yes to the first question but no to the second question, your taste is absolutely terrible and I couldn't care less about what shit games you play

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>>387653078
> i have that game on my xbox
> recommending him to play the originals

>>387652817

It's an objective waste of your time, unless you want to experience what it's like to fail to connect with any possible target audience on the planet. Good as a case study, but that's about it.

>>387652817

If you have a PC you can get Thief: the Dark Project or Thief 2 for peanuts on steam or GOG.

The graphics don't hold up (it's late 90s early 3D) but the gameplay trumps every other stealth game since.

Play those first and then play Thief (the 2014 reboot).

All this bitching and moaning here about the game might make some sense.

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>>387639481
no one with barebones argumentation skills

>>387653217
Why would you not recommend someone to play the orignal Theif games?

>>387640285
Holy shit that was amazing. The taffer spam was hilarious

>>387653371
They have extremely flawed design, and are catering to a niche crowd. Even oldschool types may not like it, despite all the innovations it had. Recommending it to console babies is the same as offering a cheese with mold to a kid who considers a bag of chips a delicacy.

>>387653348
I defend Dragon Age 2 and I don't even touch this bag of dead cats.

>>387653778
I was playing on my 360 years before I actually got into Thief and I fucking loved Thief 1 and 2. Who knows if anon might enjoy them

>>387653217
t. "its not 1998 anymore" retarded dev

>>387653348
We got some pron out of it.

>>387653348
>>387653859
Andromeda was so bad not even /v/ contrarianism has defended it yet, that's impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8pImL1FeaE

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>>387653948
> I was playing on my 360 years before I actually got into Thief

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>>387639481
the ambience was pretty good