Does he truly deserve all the hate he gets? It feels like he's

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I wish I didn't have to be willfully ignorant of so many things in order to like Shadow. Most of his own game, even a few things things he said in SA2 and Heroes, his attitude in spin-off games post-ShTH and his appearance in Sonic Boom.

The comics are the only medium that do Shadow's character justice. None of that needless swearing or overplayed superiority complex and edginess he has in the games. He's a reserved loner, but he still cares about his friends, and doesn't say retarded things like he does in the games.

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you can thank SA2 retards and his solo game apologists for the hate he gets

shadow is pretty fun in the racing/fighting and sports games

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>>387638525
I've always quite liked him. He had a DMC1 Dante style give no fucks attitude that broke away to caring more than anyone else when shit got real, and his running animation is 10/10.

>>387638987
DAMN, NOT HERE

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>>387638987
He was actually a pretty nice straight man in Sonic Rivals 1 and 2. No edginess, no brooding, not even as grumpy as he was in 06. All he did was show up to get shit done.

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He's just that kind of character that you love when you hit puberty but can't stand anymore after your 14th birthday

>>387638525
Nothing wrong with the concept, the execution in Heroes and Shadow was the issue. People criticise. The "edge factor", you have to understand that this was the zeitgeist at the time and what kids wanted to see. He was sleek, modern and basically a Sonic if Sonic was created in the 2000s instead of the 90s. It would be like criticising Korn for beibg edgy, it's like no shit, that's the point.

>>387638525
I wonder if they'll get him right in Forces. I feel like he'll get beaten in a boss fight and fade back into the background. It'd be cool if the theory of him being Shadow ripped during the events of SA2 are true.

>>387638525
He should have stayed dead for longer. Also his backstory was fine in SA2. The ay lmao shit was pointless.

>>387640287
They got him right in Lego Dimensions

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Shadow is cool.

This version is the coolest though.

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>>387638987
The comic played with it a bit, which is why it worked. We'll see how IDW handles him.

>>387638987
Is this from Sonic Universe?

>>387640473
"le ebin silly humor xdd" trash is never right.

>>387638525
He was fine in SA2, I just think he should've stayed dead and they should've explored the possibility that Heroes gave where the Shadow you see in every game after SA2 he was a clone.

That said I will always think Metal Sonic is the better rival character to Sonic, but that's because I grew up watching the Sonic OVA as a kid.

>>387640567
didn't that comic have him dress up like vanilla and act girly and pure?

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Don't mind him at all. SA2 was a great game, he was great in Heroes, he just went maximum overedge in his own game and he's been relegated to the background ever since (ignoring 06).

would love to see a plot point where shadow from forces gets thrown into the mania 2 universe but i know it will never happen

>>387640606
Yes, the issue where they meet Eclipse.

>>387640771
Yeah but Metal Sonic's there to strictly work under Eggman. It was nice how Shadow could play to either side.

>>387640935
They could make Tails reprogram Metal Sonic to be a good guy just like he did with Gemerl in Advance 3

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>>387640228
I unironically like Adult Sasuke

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>>387638987
>Comradery

if he wasn't an anthropomorphic hedgehog and there was no absurdity people probably wouldn't even have that much of an opinion of him

honestly not even that edgy, even in the game where he has fucking taken up firearms and shit it's entirely gore-free and you can get all power of friendship if you want to. my biggest problem with him is that his solo game was one of the worst video games i have ever played in my life

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>>387641114
Pic related is the best edgelord of anime anyway

>tfw you will never spent billions of dollars to build a dragon-shaped jet

>>387641114
cool uncle and deadbeat dad is so far removed from anything this guy was as a kid that i can barely consider them the same character

Bountyhunter Jew > Edgy Teenanger

>>387638525
he once wanted to kill Sonic for doing a poor job at assembling IKEA furniture

>>387640935
Well yeah, Eggman is Sonic's main villian throughout the series, despite as of late usually some other Badguy usurps him. So it's fitting that the main Villain built Sonic's main Rival. And Metal Sonic has betrayed Eggman before, but all things considered even if he did have free will he'd probably go out of his to spite sonic. If I remember right his theme from that virtual fighter game is named Never Let it Go

Also when Shadow started becoming more of a strictly good guy character he became less of Sonic's rival and kind of just faded into the background. Hope Forces makes him a little more relevant again, even if he is probably the most likely to betray Eggman from that little goonsquad he's in. Though all of them except maybe Metal I see betraying Eggman one way or another.

>>387638525
Normally I'd say yes, but then i see people unironically excited for a thing like Infinite and that puts things in perspective, Shadow ain't that bad (bar solo game)

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>>387641314
Only because having both Naruto and Sasuke in the village would make it impossible for Boruto villains to exist. This is what happens when you don't put a powercap on your universe.

>>387640793
That was a fan comic.

>>387638525
Shadow's the only one with any depth to his story. He doesn't deserve the hate that he gets beyond his teenage fanfic-tier design.

>>387641221
The intro combined with shit like this is why people make fun of itso much
https://youtu.be/d_76uz-JZDw

>>387640793
>>387642173
Yeah, he was probably confused given that it was drawn by one of the Archie illustrators

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He just need to reunite with his true love.

>>387641636
shadow staying as a hanger-on of the series just makes me wonder if they were going anywhere between all the parallels between he and sonic, looking identical and having the same powers despite sonic being a regular guy and shadow being a government superweapon

i'm kind of glad they've swept that all under the rug and are going forward with pretty much fresh continuities or soft story reboots in every new game

>>387641847
nah, they've already asspulled ways around that. like every other villain or threat sucks energy, and those two are usually crippled by being at like 10% capacity or having been fighting a war for three consecutive days without food, water, sleep, or rest, and most recently a decade of being totally unthreatened by anything and being lazy complacent fucks

>>387638525
He was shit in his own game but okay everywhere else.

>>387642608
Yeah but isn't that kind of his original basis that he was a Superweapon? I mean I can get what you mean if you are saying you are glad they don't make him dwell on his edgy backstory as much anymore. but that was kind of his gimmick in the first few games he was in.

Also I wouldn't say it's fair to call Sonic just a "regular guy" when he's the main hero of his series and probably the strongest character in his universe too. And I am glad it's never explain why, as far as games go.

>>387642362
That certainly explains alot thanks.

>>387638525
I actually liked Shadow, but I would have preferred him to stay dead after SA2.

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>>387638525
Yes because he represents the melodramatic self parody of a story that is Sonic Adventure and the rest of Sonic games with plot. Its laughably bad. Only good that came from him was being a fun character in the comics, which aren't as serious.

>>387640556
Is this the anti-mobius version? Say that it is.

>>387643956
It's a photoshop

>>387640935
Can I read universe without reading the main comic?

>>387638987
This. He wasn't even a real character. He was a glitch from the 2d sonics that faggots begged the devs to make into a real character. Everything about him is terrible.

>>387640556
I imagine that's how shadow would act if he was made back in the 90's

>>387640843
>SA2 was a great game,
Your delusional.

>>387639493
S-s-s-s-sauce?

>>387644259
>He was a glitch from the 2d sonics that faggots begged the devs to make into a real character.
Are you retarded?

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choose one /v/
and i mean (1)

>>387646052
Stop posting this

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>>387646116
fuck off

>>387646203
No

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>>387641306

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Shadow is a meme near and dear to my heart.

>>387645774
Given that he probably got that from Game Theorists or some shit, without a doubt.

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Do you believe in true love, /v/?

>>387646515
Who draws this shit?

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>>387646964
People with soul, anon.

>>387646052
Dante please

>>387643203
>>387642608
Shadow was created after the mural in Sonic & Knuckles (Hidden Palace), which is a prophecy of Sonic fighting Perfect Chaos in Sonic Adventure 1. Hence the similarity in shape to Super Sonic's quills.

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>>387647210
Shadow was created for Shrek.

>>387647210
This is headcanon.

I PROMISE YOU

>>387647332
It's head canon that made sense before Shadow the Hedgehog.

>>387646547
He's probably thinking of Scourge from the comics, who actually was based on a graphical glitch. He was never in games though.

>>387647572
It's been too long since I've talked about Sonic stuff, I forgot that people think the comics' and games' plots have anything to do with each other at all outside of the comics using the characters and settings from the games.

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>>387647572
reminder that Scourge's super form is purple, like someone we all know

>>387647332
How is this headcanon? I'm pretty sure this was the accepted consensus until Shadow the Hedgehog happened. Especially considering Gerald Robotnik was fucking with the chaos emeralds/ancient civilization/master emerald in Sonic Adventure 2.

>>387647876
I never saw Trent Reznor in the dislikes.

>>387648026
>accepted consensus
That doesn't mean shit. Just because it makes sense and is popular among fans doesn't mean it's canon.

I mean, I want it to be true, but it's not and never was. It's really fucking annoying when people act like their headcanon is canon.

>>387648294
You keep saying "headcanon". I just played the fucking game and am telling you what I saw. Gerald fucking Robotnik even had a hand in Emerl being unearthed in Sonic Battle, it's not my fault they retconned it later in Shadow the Hedgehog with that Black Doom shit, which still doesn't mean the mural shit is untrue.

That's like saying any thought you could possibly have about Dark Souls is your "headcanon" because the devs never wrote it down. Calm down, mate.

>>387638525
Shadow is bad ass.

I don't understand the hate. I wish he was in Sonic Mania but the devs hate everything not Genesis or Sega CD. I can't stand people like that. Keep and innovate the old gameplay, sure but Sonic could be so much more.

>>387648294
It's not like Iizuka is ever going to revisit Shadow's backstory and contradict it.

>>387648617
He would have stood out in Mania. They should just have two ongoing series. 2D Classic games and 3D Modern games.

>>387648617
>not genesis or sega cd

but they put Fang, Bean and Bark as cameos

>>387644259
You're mixing him up with Ashura

>>387638525
He actually does have an absurdly large following of edgy preteens, even to this day.

>>387638525

Fair or not, Shadow was basically the second face of the franchise during its absolute lowest period of Sonic Heroes > Shadow > Sonic 06. He also started the trend of Deviantart-tier Sonic recolours. His in-game story arc is also incredibly poorly handled; he dies at the end of Adventure 2, gets resurrected for no reason other than being popular but with a whole new "Am I the real Shadow?" mystery, which is ultimately the driving force for the entirety of his own game but is only actually resolved in a throw-away line of background chatter that occurs so far into the final Super fight that you actually have to intentionally stall the boss out for far, far longer than it would ever actually take to beat it just to hear the line.

Shadow the Hedgehog the game was also the series' most obvious misstep. As bad as Sonic 06 was, it wasn't also bad conceptually. Shadow the Hedgehog is even bad conceptually. Sonic, but with guns and vehicles and "swearing"? It's fucking retarded.

There's nothing inherently wrong with Shadow the character but he doesn't really add anything anymore, either. Metal Sonic is infinitely more interesting as a rival/antagonist. Heroes wouldn't have been as shit as it was if they'd used Metal properly.

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>>387649412
>he thinks Heroes is part of the dark age

>>387642326

i fucking forgot about this hahaha can you imagine being fucking powerman 5000 and agreeing to write THIS song about a fucking hedgehog hahaha

>>387648754
Classic isn't destined to be 2D and Modern is not always 3D. I swear even mainstream reviewers confuse this a lot.

>>387647210

The mural very clearly depicts Super Sonic fighting Eggman in the Doomsday Zone boss, not Perfect Chaos. You're right though, this mural is what Shadow was based on.

>It feels like he's a scapegoat for the entirety of Sonic's shitty era.
well he's definitely representative of it

>>387638525
Shadow's actually a pretty great and likable character generally outside of that one shit 2005 game. He's a good straight man and counterpart to sonic and his smugness really paints him as a good rival in his sheer contrast to sonic's casualness. His friendship dynamic with rouge and omega is also weirdly heartwarming and funny.

A good character that gets far too much shit.

>>387648482
in what universe is some random scene detail in Sonic and Knuckles supposed to be Shadow
he didn't exist for like 8 fucking years after that and his design is hardly anything original when it's fucking Sonic with slightly different spikes, red/black color scheme, and hoverskates
this is legit schizophrenia-tier shit

>>387649646

Heroes controlled like fucking ass, every stage was a rollercoaster suspended above a bottomless pit, the team mechanic was fucking terrible and relegated to "Use Speed here! Use Fly here! Use Power here!" rather than allowing for actual exploration, it introduced health bars for normal enemies, the voice acting was bad, the story was criminally bad (how could they use Metal Sonic so inappropriately?), and worst of all you had to play it FOUR FUCKING TIMES just to get the real ending. Sonic Heroes was terrible and you're just flat-out wrong if you think otherwise.

>>387649412
I honestly don't find Metal Sonic that captivating compared to Shadow who has basically evolved to being the exact equal and opposite to sonic in his way of working. Sonic basically just does what he wants and helps save the day when he's around; shadow outright works for the government on missions to investigate and solve issues with rouge and omega as backup.

It honestly sets up a greater sense of scale that's fairly interesting to think about and provides a lot of opportunity for logical expansion in the sonic series narratively and gameplay-wise.

>>387644143
It's ill advised because its half the story, but you can still enjoy it

>>387650252
But Heroes is fun when you get good at the game. The combat and level design is the best part about the game too. How can you not love Hang Castle?

>>387640567
It's so dumb when people ask why Sonic or Shadow would ever drive a vehicle. It's dumb as a game mechanic most of the time, except in the case of Sonic Riders where the game centered around it, but as an idea it's just like if a person enjoyed maintaining and driving motorcycles or whatever. I like this comic panel just because it shows that the characters have hobbies outside of running fast. Maybe I should read the Sonic comics.

>>387650262
i think it's neat shadow is employed

Shadow the Hedeghog (the game) was a thing. It was his game. So yes.

And this is someone that otherwise liked him in Adventure 2 and Sonic Battle on the GBA. He sure was shit in Heroes, though.

>>387650031

Sonic and Knuckles' Hidden Palace Zone contains an obvious, detailed mural of Super Sonic fighting Eggman in that game's final boss.

We know for a fact that Gerard Robotnik was digging around in that same area researching the Chaos/Master Emeralds, hence why the ARK is filled with Chaos monsters and contains a Master Emerald shrine. We also know that he changed his design from the prototype, a giant lizard, to a small hedgehog. Shadow also just happens to look more like Super Sonic (ie. upward curved spikes) than he does regular Sonic.

S&K might have happened long before SA2 but that doesn't mean they couldn't take that old detail and turn it into the basis for the relatively lore-heavy Adventure games. It's really not a stretch at all.

>>387650487
Shadows own game wasnt even so fucking abysmal and its no worse than the storybook games, Free Riders, or Heroes

Can we all just agree that no matter how bad a Sonic game made by Sega is, it will always have a good soundtrack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kTBbTSjZpI

>>387650376
Yeah, that reminds how Marvel made the Red Hulk use firearms just because he is from the military.

>>387650608
Boom had a shit soundtrack tho

>>387650634
agent venom too, who inexplicably has guns and armor

>>387650547
The concept is beyond fucking tone-deaf and the game isn't near good enough to compensate, even if it's not literally Sonic 06.

>>387650360
>But Heroes is fun when you get good at the game.

You don't "get good" at Heroes, you learn how to compensate for its bullshit and brokenness. Even once you've done that you still have to listen to

SHIT ROCK EUGH

WOWWEEEE MY HEADS SPINNINGGGG

for the entire game.

>>387650705
Was that actually made by Sonic Team? I swear that they handed that off to the studio that made Sly 4

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>>387650252
The controls are fine, the level design is great (except Lost Jungle which is the only real stinker), the team mechanic is one of the most fun and creative mechanics and ways to overcome the issue of limited buttons I've ever seen, the combat is fun and better than in Unleashed and 06, the voice cast is better than in the Adventure games (I'm not gonna say they're good in the grand scheme of things) and most of all, the reduced focus on story was a decision that benefitted the game a lot because it allowed the level themes to flourish and vary more since they weren't restrained by a coherent narrative, and the gameplay:cutscene ratio was much better.

>>387650778
The only enjoyable team to listen to was team Dark because all the voices were pretty good and are not Tails, Cream, Big or Charmy

>>387650376
>why Sonic would ever drive a vehicle
Sonic had a blister on his toe, and he could run no more.

>>387650831
Although I don't mind these aspects, if the controls, team mechanic and combat were fixed/removed, it would've been the best Sonic game.
I love Heroes though.

>>387641114
I like Adult Naruto more, because he acts like an actual adult and father and not a man-child like Goku.

>>387650831
I'm going to assume you were 5 when the game came out and practically lived and breathed sonic heroes since I can't imagine how someone could actually be so attached to this piece of shovelware

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>>387650753
>tfw will never see agent venom in MCU because they casted a wimpy manlet poo in the loo actor to be Flash Thompson

I swear that was the worst bully I ever saw in any form of fiction, I mean, I got bullied pretty bad and I can't even imagine myself being bullied by MCU Flash Thompson.

>>387648754
I'd agree with that if they actually kept Classic Sonic outside of the fucking 3D games

>>387651126
>there will never be a Carnage horror movie because all capeshit is supposed to be quippy

Kill me.

>>387651004
I like things to be normal and safe and boring, this is how entertainment should be.

>>387651206
Deadpool and Logan made r-rated capeshit movies be a possibility tho

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>>387650376
this is my go to explanation for any question involving sonic and driving

>>387651126
I can see it being Sony decision, Sony is known for making horrible decision.

And I feel for you man, I'm a Mary-Jane Watson fag and I probably never going to get a proper portrayal of her character instead getting "Michelle Jones" who comes off as a stuck up SJW bitch. All we have in MJ in the movies is that awful portrayal of her in the Raimi Trilogy where she was pretty much Gwen Stacy expect not dead.

>>387651317
Deadpool was still quippy (Which works for him granted) and Logan barely resembles a capeshit movie (Which also works for the story they had).

>>387651226
what's goku up to these days

>>387651537
whoops, meant for
>>387651004

>>387651317
I like how their some fucking competition for the MCU, DC finally got rid of the dead weight known as Zack Snyder (still his daughter suicide was really shitty and I wish him the best of luck because no one deserve to go through something like that) and made Wonder Woman which was awesome, Fox made Deadpool and Logan both fantastic movies.

Not going to lie, Thor Ragnarok looks amazing.

>>387651537
He put his whole universe at risk of being erased just because he wanted some fights. He also promised to revive Freeza if they win the tournament if he agree to fight in his team.

>>387651474
>Deadpool being quippy

Isn't that like the whole point of why he's character is popular in the first place, it's like Spidey who is also met to be quippy.

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>>387651747
the last two panels could be a decent reaction image

>>387650760
>The concept is beyond fucking tone-deaf
What the fuck does that even mean?
The game did its job right
a darker sonic game, featuring a darker sonic
doing shit sonic wouldnt normally do, cursing and guns while using chaos power
having Shadow choose his own path, which is inline with his character and deciding what is right based off it

>>387651648
Agreed. Didn't actually see Wonder Woman because I was never really a huge fan of her, but all the praise I saw for it gives me hope for DC.

I will always give Marvel credit for turning C or even D list heroes into mainstream characters.

>>387651738
Hence why I put in brackets
>(Which works for him granted)

However, this doesn't translate into opening the doors to allow for Carnage to be made in all his glory

sonic has always been gay

>>387650831

No. To all of that, just no.

I counter your gif with this 17-minute video showing dumb bugs and glitches that plague the game (ignore the fucking commentary, I literally just searched for "Sonic Heroes glitches" and this was the best video that came up): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcN8qalg_TE&ab_channel=MikeyTaylorGaming

The controls are not fine. Things like the Light Speed Dash being mapped to the same button as the Spin Dash and Sonic Tornado means that trying to use the LSD over a void is always a harrowing experience with a high chance of failure given how absolutely particular the game is about positioning for the LSD. Which makes it even more hilarious that you'd cite "overcoming the issue of limited buttons" as a reason for why you like the game.

The team mechanics add nothing to the game because you're always told exactly which formation you're supposed to use and in fact can't overcome most obstacles except with one character. High vertical wall? Tails. Big blocks in the path? Knuckles. Line of rings over a void? Sonic. It's braindead.

The combat is terrible. You're just plain wrong. The three-tier "powerup" system is incredibly dumb, having to stop to do "combat" with EVERY NORMAL ENEMY BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE HEALTH BARS breaks the game's flow completely, and there's literally no reason to do anything but switch to Flight mode and stay above the battle when forced to engage in extended combat because Tails can hover above everything while spam throwing Sonic and Knuckles at the opponents below. Again, braindead.

The reduced story focus is the ONLY thing it did better than other Sonic games of the time, but what little story it did have sucked anyway. You get Metal Sonic as a primary antagonist who collects all the Chaos Emeralds, but then he... turns into a giant metal monster? It's dumb, and the levels were nowhere need good enough conceptually for this to be a selling point. Sky Fleet is the only remotely interesting level.

>>387638525
he would have been fine if he stayed dead at the end of SA2.

he had a character arc, keeping him around showed that Sonic Team was just attempting to pander to fans.

him coming back to begin with ruined a good lot of his character.

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>>387651847
>I will always give Marvel credit for turning C or even D list heroes into mainstream characters.

Ant-man, Black Panther and Doctor Strange were good additions because they are extremely important characters for the lore and world building of the marvel universe, but I can't be optimistic about the Captain Marvel movie because their comics are the most pure SJW feminist propaganda garbage you can imagine.

>>387650993
*3D Sonic game

>>387651975
Battle was a good extension of that arc

>>387651847
I heard rumors that Synder's original cut of Justice League was unwatchable. Let's hope that Whedon can do something about it, because I heard Wonder Woman getting more scene which doesn't surprise me because this is Whedon we're talking about.

>>387652106
I honestly don't care unless they fuck up the Kree-Skrull war. Actually, since Fox owns Fantastic 4, can we not have the Skrull?

>>387652106
But that was the comics, the MCU as much shit they get from hardcore fans are far less retarded than the idiots who are currently running the comics.

X-Men Dark Phoenix is not shaping up to be a good movie, in fact I can see it being quite a mediocre one like Apocalypse.

>>387651838

Just so you know, you are equally as tone-deaf as the game itself.

>>387652270
How do you fuck up Apocalypse so badly?

>>387652209
We are going to have Skrulls, just not Super Skrull. There going to be the main villain for Carol's movie.

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>>387652295
>i have no argument, but i love the word tone-deaf

>>387652341
You didnt read the post, clearly mentioned the guns

>>387652343
It was just mediocre and disappointing. Oh and there were way too many twinks.

>>387644932
>le sa2 is shit meme

SA2 is great. It's flawed, to be sure, but insanely fun in spite of those flaws.

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>>387641306
>new movie
>big bad tries to kill him by assimilating him in the collective unconscious.
>It fails because his ego is literally too big for collective unconscious to contain.
Kaiba is allright.

>>387652354
Well... that's a nice compromise anyway. Still, a bit of a shame.

>>387651834
Where have you been the past 8 years?

>>387652372
That's not the same guy. Anyways, you're probably trolling so I guess it's time to just stop responding to you.

>>387652372

The only argument is that a children's cartoon character getting a game where he rides around on a motorbike, shooting up enemies with Uzis and swearing is so fundamentally far removed from what anyone actually wants in a Sonic game that the only people who could be so tone deaf as to think it was a good idea were Sonic Team and, apparently, you.

>>387652567
What I am interested in Carol's movie is that it's going to be a Captain America styled prequel movie set in the 90's.

It will also explain how Nick lost his eye.

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>>387652565
i don't normally like revivals or reboots, but that was such a wonderful ending for him and yugi. just wish the duel between them had ended decisively instead of that copout where the power cuts out and we know how it would have gone down, but kaiba didn't need to actually suffer the loss

>>387652571
>anyone who likes shadow the hedgehog MUST be trolling

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>>387651967
Yeah, this guy deliberately hunts down a bunch of glitches that will never happen unless you intentionally try to trigger them. It's not a big deal and is something you can do to pretty much every video game ever.

I'm not gonna try to convince you otherwise regarding your opinions on the gameplay, since they're opinions, but the fact that you don't even remember that Egg Fleet is called Egg Fleet and that you think Metal Sonic has any Chaos Emeralds tells me that you don't remember much about the game. Why are you even talking about it if you don't have detailed knowledge?

Now since you had me watch that, I suggest you watch this as well. It's a showcase of how smooth the game can be for an experienced. Not even a speedrunner, just someone who knows how to play properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bj1Bk3zODs

>>387652807
Sonic fans never know what the yreally want
they get good games and complain that it wasnt like game #3 from 5 years ago

>>387653221
>they get good games and complain
Since when?

>>387650252
You're a fucking nigger. I want to beat the shit out of you.

>>387653146
>jap shadow has the same voice as croix from ar tonelico
it's surprisingly warm

>>387653221
>mania is revealed
>boo hoo Sega don't want to spent money on a 3D sonic game
>forces is revealed in the same fucking day
>boo hoo another shit 3D sonic why they don't stick to the original formula

Yeah, that was the day I realize that sonic fans can't stop complaining about the most retarded shit

>>387638525
Does he get any more hate than any other Sonic character? Sure the edgy comments get directed more at him but if anything, I think he's better received than most Sonic characters.

>>387653450
it's the almost same as mega man fans crying that the franchise is dead when they've gotten literally like seventy games already

anything extremely popular is gonna have a fanbase with lots of loud assholes

>>387653146
>that part at 4:00 where Shadow spins up a non-existent pole

Yeah okay whatever.

I was 13 when Sonic Heroes came out and I played the game religiously. If you want to try and discard my criticisms of the game's terrible controls, braindead level design and combat, awful Special Stages, and ignore my specific rebuttals for your points (primarily "getting around limited buttons" when one of the game's most frustrating elements is how every action is mapped to one button) based on me misremembering a level name (while praising it) and vague story details in a game that you have already admitted played much of its story in the background, then there's little point holding further conversation with you. Sonic Heroes is plainly a poorly put together game, you can enjoy it if you want but don't pretend it was "good".

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>>387653450
Wow it's almost as if they are completely different parts of the fanbase
Who would have thought a franchise with dramatically different gameplays would have fans with dramatically different different opinions

>>387653221
>Sonic fans never know what the yreally want

Nobody wanted Shadow the Hedgehog. It was completely out of left field when it got revealed and was universally regarded as joke. People actually had to be convinced it was real footage.

>>387653676
YOU'RE A FUCKING NIGGER WHERE DO YOU LIVE I WANNA FUCKING KILL YOU

>>387653450
To be fair, both of those games had pretty shitty reveals.

Mania's reveal confirmed Tails and Knuckles but didn't even show gameplay of them and the Forces trailer showed fucking nothing but the destroyed city and Classic Sonic's return.

>>387653796
me and some other autistic friends preordered it so we could get that stupid hat that came with it. like maybe it was retarded and unexpected, doesn't mean people didn't want it

>>387652852
No suprise there since it was spearheaded by the original author himself and not like super where toriyama just gives them a 5 line summary on napkin and that is the end of it.

>>387638525
The series really didn't need more hedgehogs or characters that looked like hedgehogs (Echidnas) after Tikal was introduced.

That should have been the end of it. Knuckles was Sonic's foil

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>>387641306
True.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VS4JJaoWjs

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>>387653676
>If you want to try and discard my criticisms of the game's terrible controls, braindead level design and combat, awful Special Stages
Those are opinions. Why should I try to change them? In my opinion the controls are fine, the level design is the best in the series and so are the Special Stages, so I don't know what you want me to say.

>>387640462
He should have just stay dead at the end of SA2. That was his story, and it ended there

>>387654096
>not only likes the controls but ALSO likes the Special Stages

you are an absolute mad man

>>387653965
also no forced romance shit in a shounen jump property, jesus christ. the thing with anzu was treated as a usual high school crush and she left on good terms, yugi designs games and kaiba bankrolls them with his infinite money and they hang out and play them in space and shit. i really can't imagine a better end for original yugioh

>>387638525
The problem with Shadow is that he should've never been brought back after Sonic Adventure 2. He was obviously meant to only be a character in that game and not make any further appearances outside of flashbacks, spin-off games, non-game adaptations, etc. Bringing him back simply because of his popularity with the fans was both cheap and unnecessary.

>>387654115
Sonic shoudlve stopped at 1
that was his story

FAKER

>>387654096

This is the equivalent of saying "In my opinion the sky is green, it's an opinion so it is irrefutable." The game is objectively buggy and handles objectively poorly. It is the playbook of "What People Hate About Sonic", with levels plagued by bottomless pits, rails (usually over bottomless pits), stop-start "combat" areas, overabundance of supporting cast with annoying voice actors, "Eggman is not the real villain" story tropes, etc etc.

Your opinion is that you enjoyed the game, which is fine. It is not an opinion to say it was a good game, because it is riddled with objective, demonstrable flaws and problems. Saying it was good is an outright lie.

>>387654412
>Bringing him back simply because of his popularity with the fans was both cheap and unnecessary
its a good thing Sonic team doesnt do that anymore now adays
i love only Sonic, tails and Eggman with MAYBE Knuckles + Amy in a cutscene

>>387638525
You don't understand because you were like twelve when these games came out.

>>387654403
Thank god, bro ending is always the best ending.

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>>387639493

>that image

I don't even want to begin to imagine how much fanart this image is responsible for inspiring.

>>387654096
>>387653146

Sonic Heroes has ZERO redeeming qualities. It's quite literally the worst Sonic game. Even Sonic 06 at least has well-animated cutscenes, half-decent controls when it doesn't glitch out and good music. Heroes is just rubbish in every way, from the unholy trifecta of invisible walls+bottomless pits+on rails gameplay to the awful slippery controls and plastic looking graphics to the shitty story and cutscenes to the repetitive music outside of maybe a couple of the vocal themes which you only hear once each.

The only reason anyone would dispute this is if they were a literal child when it came out and it was one of their first video games. Which I bet is the case with you.

>>387640556
It saddens me how this is pretty much the only remnant of the Fake Leak Boom Shadow.

>>387655420

that is fanart

>>387641306
He is such a manchild it's amazing
>IF YOU DON'T LET ME WIN I WILL FUCKING KILL MYSELF
>ok fine you win
>HAHAHAHAHAH EAT SHIT YUGI LATER LOSERS

>>387650376
>It's dumb as a game mechanic most of the time

That's why its stupid. We never received any explanation about why Shadow would ride a motorcycle (other than the fact that it looks cool!!!). Shadow wasn't working with GUN and he never said anything about enjoying riding motorcycles. The comics justify it while the game made no attempt to.

>>387655650
What is Sonic Chronicles and the GBA port of Sonic 1?

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Since Sega hired a guy who makes sonic fangames to make sonic mania, do you guys think Sega will hire the guy who made this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIoxmI4HIH4

>>387655703
he would have fucking died if yugi hadn't gotten strong enough to shake the control of the psychotic murderghost possessing his body. from a gambler's perspective i guess he sort of won

>>387654428
Did sonic sacrificed himself at the end and fell off space?

Shadow coming back diminishes his sacrifice

>>387652852
There will never be a rivalry as entertaining as these two in Yu gi oh again.

>>387656042
i never followed the series beyond early GX so i'll just take your word for that

>>387656042
Why don't they play nest of 3? Do they believe that much in their cards draws to play a single game?

>>387656108
I stopped at 5Ds and from what I have seen, no rivalry has matched Yugi/Kaiba

>>387656108
Trust me I checked each new series and the rivals always pale in comparison if anything it feels like they got worse.

>>387638525
He was only good in Adventure 2. I'm really stretching the definition of "good". He's likable in Archie but its really dumb he would join GUN. He increasingly has little to do as a living character in the story and Sonic Team knows it. Gameplay-wise, what, he's just Sonic but with a retarded run cycle?

>>387656138
same reason the life points were cut in half, gotta go fast, gotta keep the tension high. yugi and atem's main gimmick is getting backed into a corner then turning everything around with a lucky draw, and it would suck if pulling a clutch win like that was followed by just preparing for the next round

>>387655952
Being dead doesnt end your story and the end of SA2 is ambiguous enough to say he wasnt dead

>>387652565
Is that canon? That's just fucking funny.

>>387651169
Yeah it was cute in Gens but does he really need to be in Forces? They could have used any other character Knuckles or Blaze hell I'd even take Silver if they implemented him correctly.

>>387656108
5ds Rival was ok
ZEXAL was good in the sense that the MC never could beat him(Kaito) but he helped him grow and the other was one of the big bads who he helped grow
ARC-V was a mess of characters
VRAINS is looking okay so far

>>387656626
Do you eve read what you type?

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>>387657214
Yes.
just because a character dies doesnt mean their story ends, its usually carried by a successor.

>>387638987
>do Shadow's character justice
Do you mean "the only medium that fixes the character ?"
Because when we use the term "to do something justice" it usually implies something that was good at some point, turned bad, and now requires something to capture that former greatness. The term is "to show or emphasize all the good qualities of someone or something"
But Shadow was never good and in a series filled to the brim with shitty one-dimensional characters he takes the cake as one of the most memorably terrible. There's not much to him that requires doing justice to. He is fundamentally terrible but there are ways to make make him less so.

>>387642289
>depth
>story
Pro-tip: everything that is terrible about Sonic, everything that threw the franchise's name in the dirt and made it's fanbase the incarnation of autism, all of it comes from it's pathetic attempts to have a story and "depth".
Sonic Boom has gotten a lot of mileage out of poking fun at this

>>387656450
He was good in Heroes and ___06

>>387638525
Not really
He's fucking Vegeta

>>387658238
not happily married and obsessed with sonic enough for that

>>387638525
PUMP ACTION SMG

>>387642289
"lab rat with an edgy existential crisis" isn't really new territory

>>387657556
Sonic only has one genuinely good character and it's always Eggman/Robotnik

>>387646052
The bottom one. Definetely. DMC3 all day, every day.

>>387651967
>>387653676
>>387655650
Autism.

>>387659272
Knuckles has had some good incarnations

>>387638525
A counterpart to Sonic was a good idea but holy shit did they botch it

>>387657556
shut the fuck up

>>387662374
He's not wrong though