currently using GTX 970 should I go for the top Vega? I didn't

>>387583206
Don't ungrade unless you're unhappy with your current performance.

>>387583206
>970

No point changing now, wait another gen or two. Shit isn't worth changing now thanks to miners and shitty ""e-sport" games that uses low poly crap details.

>>387583206
>GTX 970
should deal with all/most modern games, aint it? what's the point of upgrade

>>387583206
it will cost too much in the current market and consume a lot more power. just go for 1080 and forget the sync bullshit

No need, besides vega is not that great and it consumes a lot of power.

>>387583206
no, wait for 56 it's in couple weeks
with memory OC it's within 2% of 64 but $100 cheaper
if you'd be able to buy it at all though

>>387584243
it's 30w more than 1070
and 10w from 1080
at normal settings, not retarded max turbo no power limit settings which give at best 4% of performance

>>387583206
out of stock

>>387583206
I have r9 390. I wish I waited for the1070 release. That card would have made me cream myself in gaming for a good while. Now many games drop below 60. I love pushing the resolution scaling to 150% too (like in Hitman), but wish the FPS wouldn't drop so hard. Google best 1070/1080 card. I don't think AMD will come back, to me it seems like hype. VSYNC ain't all that bad..

I would wait until gpu prices normalize a bit. It's not like there's many games coming out this year that are particularly gpu demanding, anyway

>>387583918
This

>>387584669
hmm lets list a few
new AC
FC5
new wolfenstein
not this year but kingdom come which will run like shit on anything below 64/1080
elex will be badly optimized
new middle earth will murder that vRAM yet again
evilwithin 2 looks graphically intensive, and first one didn't run very well either
i'm forgetting something here, but that's a big enough list to warrant new gpu, not to mention games I personally want to replay with better performance like MD, tw3 and ROTR

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I was waiting for Vega, but having seen the benchmarks, it seems to have very similar (if slightly worse) performance to the 1070/1080, but with MASSIVELY more power consumption. I was going to do a build with a Ryzen 5 1600x and a Vega card, but I think I might go for an Nvidia one instead, especially since they're worse at buttcoin mining, and thus lower in demand / price.

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>>387583206
>vega

>>387584926
I'll only give you kingdom come, and as you said, it's coming out next year. The rest is speculation

if you want to pay $600-700 because of low supply+bitcoin inflation, then go for it

>get a 6gb 1060 with single fan because only affordable thing in yurolands
>that fucking noise
Nope
Should have preordered the windforce I saw for 285 on amazon, now it's at 330 or something stupid
Fucking buttcoins fuck you

>>387585179
I was ready to buy 10 vegas but your funny reaction picture made me think otherwise. Thanks, kind stranger :^)

>>387585223
in my case I won't. it's going to be MSRP price here this monday
64 is wroth it for exactly msrp price

no gpu is wroth more than $500

>>387583785
this, this is the reason consolefags thing you have to upgrade every two years or whatever. You don't need to upgrade every release. Just when your performance starts tanking in games YOU play (not the newest epic AAA game you don't care about on super ultra high settings)

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>>387583206
You won't be able too. The launch price is tentative. The price will go up by 150USD after the initial first wave, since they are price subsidized by bundles. After that mining will drive price up due to AMD focusing on mining drivers. That and HMB2 has just received a 42% price hike due to low production (factories being used to produce different NAND modules for shit like enterprise SSDs which account for 50% of all laptops purchased by corporations today and shit like iPhones).

It is all around a bad idea. Wait 6-9 months while the price normalizes. You're better off getting a 1080 for less.

I have a 1060 and play at 1440p. Should I even consider upgrading?

>>387585484
I have 390 and it's at a point of not enough soon for 1440.
stop using high res shadows, no AA, keep some more demanding effect at medium and you should be fine

I have no computer at all. Whats the most cost effective card

Not the time to upgrade imo unless you're single making 6 figures. You just won't get much bang for your buck and will probably be disappointed this time next year.

>>387585415
the retarded rumor started by rabid brit is not true
nobody changed MSRP, nobody will

gddr prices went up, not HBM
samsung and micron just recnetly launched new factories for HBM

>>387585625
1050ti

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>>387585640
A Brit? It is all but confirmed by Gamers Nexus, who is literally never wrong. They're the only objective science based outlet on the internet left.

I played Prey at 1440p on my 970 with no problems, and don't think there's any other big budget game coming up for PC I'm interested in.

Probably won't be upgrading until Cyberpunk lmao

>>387585625
MX440

>>387585706
GN started this clickbait mess to begin with, nobody would give a shit about what Gibo said.

the jewhair never seem to see nvidia flaws, when 1070 went for $500 first few months for example, but when it concerns AMD he is up in arms to nitpick every little thing every stupid rumor

>>387583206
I have a 970 and I'm waiting until next gen to upgrade (11xx/amd). There isn't anything worth upgrading for at the moment. Unless you already have a 144hz monitor, I would hold off if I were you.

>>387585920
I've never seen this level of corporate fanboyism. They absolutely criticize Nvidia, and they also comment on market price fluctuation of all brands. GDDR was affected by the NAND shortage. They said it has already risen 32% alone at tray price.

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>>387585923
Only if you still have 1080 screen, there is a significant merit for 1440p owners.

>>387586036
I just don't like GN how they test and how they approach things.
switched to based germans at computerbase.de

I just preordered a sapphire 8gb 580 pulse for 240 euro funbucks
How did I do

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>>387586161
>I just don't like GN how they test and how they approach things.
What with academic rigor and the scientific method? You are delusional fampai.

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>vega

AMD for datamining
Nvidia for gaming
thread/

56 is the only one worth if prices aren't jacked

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>>387583206
I plan to upgrade something this black friday. Original idea was to get a Geforce GX1080 ti ASUS or MSI, but should I work on motherboard/cpu instead?

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>>387586352
>1080ti
>1920x1080x60

>>387586352
if you're staying with that monitor, there's no point on getting a 1080ti. If I was doing 1080p/60hz, I would get a gtx 1070/vega 56 max

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>>387586352
No sense on upgrading your motherboard/CPU yet. Wait for 10nm (two generations from now, likely end of 2018 or early 2019. Intel is making their socket lifespan shorter and shorter so if you upgrade now you'll only be fucking yourself. That processor is perfect as is. Just put an AIO CLC cooler on it and overclock it to 5.1GHz. It can easily handle it, especially if you delid.

The GPU is more important

>>387586352
I would wait for the ice lake or cannon lake if you want intel given they're about to change socket and coffee lake looks like another minimal upgrade

>>387586352
Get a bigger SSD and a new monitor (your choice of 120+hz or 1440+p)

>>387586207
yeah, scientific rigor when they ran through empty alleyway in WD2 for 20 seconds and called it a benchmark

>>387586435
>>387586541
Ok, I'll look at monitors instead

>>387586507
>>387586539
And I will figure out how to overclock better, Asus says I got it up to 4ghz with 28% overclock but need to read up how to make it higher .

>>387586592
You're a strange one. There isn't an ounce of bias or lack of rigor in any of their work: https://www.youtube.com/user/GamersNexus/videos

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3020-amd-rx-vega-56-review-undervoltage-hbm-vs-core

Their shit is so thorough they've literally influenced design in GPUs. Their board breakdowns, shunt mod videos and thermister tests have pushed companies like EVGA to include up to 9 new points of thermal data on their cards to better manage heat.

>>387586254
Fucking miners don't agree. Amd and nvidia is mining for them.

>vega is a failure just like ryzen
I really want AMD to roll out with something good so they can create some actual competition, but they're not giving me any reason to switch from an intel/nvidia setup in the future

>>387583206
Vega is shit for gaming but exceptional for workstations. That being said its a complete failure in my eyes and it leads to bad ramifications. The cheapest Vega card should have been 200-250 and shit all over the 1070 gtx. The most expensive Vega card should have been shitting all over the titan xp for half the cost. In my eyes Vega is a complete disaster because it made and even more less competitive than they already were. Worse yet nvidia now can further hold back Volta since amd can't even compete with current gen hardware. Vega should have made an impact as hard as ryzen at least.

>>387583206
Depends what you want. If your fine with 1080p/60 I see no reason to upgrade. I have a 1070 but that's only because I had a r9 270x before which was a huge pile of shit and wanted room to possibly upgrade to 1440p or 144hz later.

>>387586717
steve, where is my burned motherboard by 480 test? under the rug?
you were so gun-ho to defend blown up VRM on EVGA cards, but that one silently disappeared

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>>387586931
Is AMD withholding their sponsorship money from you? It is sad when tech channels skew their coverage and benchmarks based on viewers expectations. All those poor gamers building Ryzen and Vega systems. Have you no shame?

>>387586507
>you can easily push it to 5.1GHz
>just go liquid cooling and delid it
yeah that's easy alright
fucking retard

>>387585158
Actually vega 56 is a lot faster than the 1070 (outside of a few games) and if you change the memory bandwidth to the 64 numbers then it's almost as fast as the 1080 without actually using more power.
So vega 56 ends up being the best price/performance card at this point, which is usual for amd.
>>387586785
>Ryzen
>Failure
Intel is literally on damage control.

>>387587218
no theyre on par with the 980ti's and use a shit ton more power.

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>>387587026
It is extremely easy. I'd never done it and here is my first attempt in the picture. There is nothing on the top of the silicon in modern processors except the die. All you need is one index finger and one thumb and 10 minutes.

>>387587361
So you don't know shit, okay.

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>>387587392
>>387587026
Minimal effort to install a CLC (it is literally plug and play like legos), and even less effort to raise the clock to a stable point. The weak point in overclocking Intel products is the included thermal compound under the lid.

>>387587551
Because I told you the truth and you are now all ragey because theyve fucked up releasing gpu's that are shit

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Just want to say that it's pretty fucked how GPUs have bloated so much in price. I miss the days when you could wait a year and their price would drop by a hundred. The GPU I'm using is going for +$400 right now at a reputable store and I got it for $280 six months after it's debut.

You kids, that held back like OP cause you were indecisive beta males. You kids are going to have a ruff time.

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>>387587621
>>387587551
>>387587361
>>387587218
Anon is actually right. They don't beat a 980Ti at stock.

AMD fucked up bad

>>387587392
isnt it pretty hard to remove that top part of the cpu? i saw someone doing it with razerblades and that didnt look safe at all

>>387587563
shouldn't a decent cooler come with a little thing of arctic silver or whatever anyways? just clean the old shit off with iso alcohol and microfiber glass-cleaning cloth.

>>387587690
yes people with brains just use their fingers or stuff like this https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Non-Abrasive-Spudgers-Anti-Static-Tweezers/dp/B00PHNMEMC

>>387587690
Not at all. Plus you can 3D print a tool to do it, or buy one (which is what I did, just to be safe).

In the 2600k it was dangerous. There was all sorts of shit up top other than the die you could damage very easily. I used this one: https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/

>>387587714
Yes the thermal paste you get preapplied on a CLC cooler or air cooler is fine. I'm talking about the TIM under the lid of the CPU. Just look at my pictures here >>387587392

If you've never built a PC you don't normally access the die. Most people put the CPU in the socket and put a cooler right ontop the silver lid, the part flipped open in my pics.

The hooknoses at Intel applied too much silicon sealant to seat the lid on the die, so there is a serious airgap between the die and the lid, which makes it hard to properly transfer heat. It is a SEVERE thermal problem. The solution is to scrape all that shit off, clean the die, and apply liquid metal then glue the die back on with super glue.

>>387587674

>OC
>Hybrid
>Fucking around with all kinds of extremely niche and unreliable aftermarket shit
>Ubishit

???

>>387587963
It is one of the few historic benchmarks with 980Ti data still.

>buy a 960 2 years ago due low budget
>think it will last for a couple years
>it runs fucking everything at 60 on medium-high, some on ULTRA, depending on the game's optimization

I swear to god people who days you need to upgrade every 2 years has never build a PC.

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>>387588030
>>387587963
>>387587674
>those benchmarks against such an old card
>these wattage numbers
Wew, AMD fucked up

>>387588139

>OC
>OC
>"OC"
Why the fuck they gotta pad, just fucking do stocks. There's barely any fucking difference at all between two of the same card.

>>387588195
Are you retarded? They include both OC and stock results

>>387583206
>970
>freesync monitor
>switching to amd
na, it's apparent you don't know what you're doing.
get an xbox,

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>>387587674
That benchmark is full of shit.

>>387588225

>Every card is represented like four times in a clusterfuck
aRe YoU rEtArDeD?

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>>387588271
Nice fake benchmarks. What are you CNN?

>>387583206

>Vega
>Radeon RX

I own two Freesync monitors and I feel fucked in the ass.

Just get a 1080.

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>>387588365
>>387588271

>>387584926
>but kingdom come which will run like shit on anything below 64/1080
Bullshit, it couldn't be that poorly optimised.

>>387588408
are you all choosing 4k benchmarks to make older cards look better on purpose?

>>387588436
who knows, cryengine is unpredictable
one game it is flawless the other is stuttering mess

>>387588514
Both of those are DX12 benchmarks and BF1 is an AMD Gaymen Involved title.

>>387588408
>>387588365
But those results are basically the same as the ones I posted

>>387587657
Living in Australia at least you get used to hardware being priced several hundred dollars dearer than in America and Canada, which are the regions most people reference in terms of pricing.

>>387583206
Forget freesync and get a 1080

>>387588551
>cryengine is unpredictable
More like devs are lazy or too time constrained, and depending on the hype, are offered incentives from companies like nVidia to fuck with things and use it as marketing for their most expensive, newest cards.

>>387588380
>>387588706
>Not getting the vega 56 950MHz memory at 1080 performance but way cheaper
Lol

>>387588135
I have a 960 too with a i7 2600 (bought 6 years ago) and there is literally no game that doesn't run on my pc at lower than 1080p 60 fps and medium/high settings.

>>387585625
Credit card

>>387583785
fpbp

>>387588791

>way cheaper

Show me where I can buy a V56 for MSRP.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/3025-amd-statement-on-vega-pricing-retailers-fault

AMD is raising the prices by $100. "Mining" and "retailers" are not to blame for the shitty pricing, it's AMD, their lack of stock and shitty bait-and-switch.

>>387584418
Yeah but an overclocked 1070 WILL walk all over it in every single game and still consume less.

>>387589053
v56 is not out yet
v56 is AIB only, rumor has it at 28th of august

>>387589094
most benchmarks compared it to AIB 1070s, 1070 gains less than 6% form OC due to how nvidia boost works
56 goes to 1080 level with free HBM OC

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>tfw AMDfanboy
Vega isn't horrible, it's just as "meh" as it could possibly be. The Vega 56 is a good competitor to the 1070 but admittedly the 64 is a pretty shit product compared to the 1080. However, there is the benefit of being able to use Freesync monitors which cost noticeably less than G-sync equivalents and the fact that AMD cards are normally pretty good at general compute performance. AMD drivers are also age like wine and see MASSIVE improvements over Nvidia in the games that make full use of their hardware.

But the power consumption is a definite downside. It'll require you to check your PSU wattage. Best case scenario if you're buying an adaptive sync monitor anyway is that the money you save with Freesync will end up saving you money in the long run but it's still a hard sell. I'm also biased, but there's a lot little quirks I noticed that existed on my Nvidia card that don't on my AMD. The Radeon Settings are also better presented and organized than the Nvidia equivalents. But that's just me, Nvidia clearly won this generation big time and the only people who should buy Vega are those who know exactly what they're looking for.

>>387588823
>open game
>put everything on ultra
>put shadows on "low"
>lower AF to x4
>deactivate shit like chromatic aberration, bloom and other minor VFX with litle to no impact
>congrats, you can now run your game at 1080p 60fps with some dips to 45 but usually never below that

meanwhile my friend with a 970 wonders why his GPU has fps dips with AF x16, supersampling and everything at max.

>>387589454
Do you really need to lower anisotropic filtering to x4? I've always put it to 16 and I've never noticed any difference in fps.

Also I agree with disabling chromatic aberration since it just looks ugly but I like bloom unless it's obviously exagerated which it usually isn't.

>>387589454
>He's worried about anisotropic filtering performance impact.

Kek

>>387585287
I have the Asus Turbo blower style one and mine is pretty ok. I made a custom curve and while i get 80c at 2ghz, it's barely audible from 2m away where I sit.

>>387585560
You can always go 720p natively. Your card should last you atleast 6 years of 60+ fps. You can always drop settings.

>>387589762
you can also put butter in your eyes and enjoy that crisp 360p reality

what retarded logic is this?

>>387586435
this, most sensible upgrade. Keep your gpu, it's fine for 1080p 144hz, just drop AA. Also remember to get TN panel. The "ips is just as great today for gaming" meme perpetuated by IT media outlet prosumers in their 30s needs to stop.

>>387586541
Hey, speaking of monitors. I was looking at this AOC 35" 160hz monitor. Never heard of AOC and it would be a decrease in size from my toshiba 55" tv, but it might be good?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01G6E4UPE/ref=s9u_simh_gw_i1?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pd_rd_i=B01G6E4UPE&pd_rd_r=J9N159ZRBS525BM1QRZ0&pd_rd_w=V3NYP&pd_rd_wg=s0vKX&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=BXZJHXF4KXGDRCK0YJFQ&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1cf9d009-399c-49e1-901a-7b8786e59436&pf_rd_i=desktop

>>387587802
The 2600K was soldered, only a retard would delid it.

Absolutely not, Nvidia's new shit is only a few months away and considering AMD's big trump card barely beats a non-Ti 1080, you'd be better off waiting for either the new Nvidia generation or getting the 1080/Ti when it gets cheaper

>>387588135
This meme is perpetuated mostly by idiots who consider anything bellow ultra unplayable. You can see how disconnected tech-tubers and reviewers are from the community by looking at CPU benchmarks at 4K ultra settings. 7970 is still a perfectly viable card of you have one and a 1080p monitor, performs on par with the 1050ti, it's nerely 6 years old

I got a 970 and fell for the vr meme. All still pretty good. No serious drops or nausea.

Yeah 970 still relevant, dont upgrade fag

>>387588324
>50w difference
>negligable
That's roughly one whole fucking laptop worth of extra power.

>>387591072

>get a gold PSU
>hurr durr durr
Either you have money or you don't.

>>387588551
New Prey runs on Cryengine, I get 75+fps when 25% oversampling on max

>>387589580
I assume he meant AA. AF has virtually no impact, unless you're literally riding the memory bandwidth cap

>>387591175
Well then why do you care about graphs in the first place? Just buy the most expensive gpu and fuck off, no?

>>387591571

>These graphs don't represent the best use of your money by mixing pointless, unreliable data you can only get by trial and user competence in with the actual statistics most users are going to get/care about, least of all from launch and not say, a year from now with better drivers
>why do you care just buy the most expensive then

Missed the point again. If some don't have money, stocks are the only thing that matters since you can't chance anything and there's usually nothing wrong with factory.

>>387583206
If you can get one for a good price, yes

>>387591487
He said x4 and x16 though, as far as I know no AA goes up to 16

>my 280x randomly craps out two weeks ago
>right in the middle of data mining faggotry
>retailers are still charging £60 more for 580s and 1060s on the little stock that is left

>>387594134
I'm in the exact same boat. Fuck this.

>>387589452
It's nice to see hardware related posts like that without the repent shitposting once in a while.

>>387589452
One thing to keep in mind is that Vega is only 'meh' with AMD's official driver right now.
Their driver updates always seem to make cards faster, and the unofficial drivers from the Mesa project can offer much faster performance nearly a whole card tier in some cases.

>tfw still have a 670
Fuck

tfw nothing to make the most of my 144hz freesync monitor

>>387584669
Is cryptocurrency dead yet? Fuck these cunts

>>387597402
Same. I don't even need an upgrade

>>387583206
They are all sold out, and to buy one as a bundle you have to buy all the other products. The price will be hiked up when supplies do show up, and that is before the usual reseller hike because of miners ect. You are going to be paying a premium for a 1080 equiv card.

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>>387583206
>mfw gtx560

>>387585287
Are you me?
It's the Manli isn't it?

>>387585484
>1060
>1440p
What the actual fuck?
Mine is starting to struggle at 1080p

Is a gaming laptop worth it?

>>387598425
If you can only afford 1 gaming platform that you also take to uni then maybe.

>>387583206
I've got a 970 too, haven't played a single game that it couldn't handle. It runs every game at at least 60fps unless its locked lower. I can't do ultra in every game by a long shot, but considering the fact that most pc games look better even on low settings than their console counterparts who gives a shit?

>>387587657
1080s were $1000 on launch (Canada) I just go one for $630

>>387598425
I'd recommend a desktop for a main rig, the only reason I'd get a gaming faptop is if I traveled a lot

>>387598876
This man is smart. The only person I know who doesn't regret a gaming laptop purchase is a sales rep who spends 21 days a month living in motels and likes being able to play games.

>tfw not sure if imma go for a quadro p4k or 1080ti
>more inclined for 1080ti but it being a gaming gpu kind of scares me that i'll end up playing instead of doing something productive.
I mean, I got one high-end card for vidya, it would be a waste for not using it for what it was designed for.

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>tfw there's still no worthwhile upgrade from the 290 that's actually cost effective

>>387598425
No, not unless you don't have any other choice. If you travel all the time and live your life out of a suitcase, sure. Other than that, no, just get a gaming desktop.

>>387584926
>new AC
>FC5
>new wolfenstein
>new middle earth
>playing any of that garbage
Time to go back to redit nigger