Pokémon

>>387535916
swap XY for SM and move platinum up a tier and it'd be perfect

>>387535916
I agree with this 100%
Exquisite taste, anon

>>387536007
XY are better games than SM. They have better level design, and although the writing is just as bad, the story is much less prominent so it's better by that virtue.

XY also have better features. The stuff SM added - Festival Plaza and Poké Finder for example - are absolute, irredeemable trash.

>>387535916
Why are HGSS cartridges so expensive?

>>387536352
It's a combo of them being one of the best in the entire series and limited amounts having been made

>>387536317
>better level design
it's just as railroaded, dude
also SM's soundtrack is far superior to XY's

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>>387536317
>XY are better games than SM

>>387536502
>best in the entire series
>shitty Johto games

I think that anon wanted a serious answer anon

>>387536317
SM doesn't have Lumiose City, so it's far better than XY.

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>>387536489
This anon knows his shit, the only needed change is to put BnW 1 in super.
As long as pokeball means a 6/10, that's it.

>>387536704
>B/W
>better than B/W2

>>387536704
>the only needed change is to put BnW 1 in super.
No.

>>387536571
Woah, Johto is not bad.

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here's a simplified version, sinnohfetuses need not apply

>>387537008
>emerald instead of platinum
you were close

>>387537008
Can I get an explanation of why Platinum isn't on this list? Always thought it was really content rich.

>>387537156
Pure shitposting. Most people say Emerald, Platinum, BW2, and HGSS are the holy quartet of Pokemon games. You exclude one of them for shitposting.

Alternatively he could have a valid reason.

>>387537008
As someone who's been playing Pokemon since 1998, Sinnoh is a far more interesting region than the fucking circle that is Unova, and gen 4 has a far better aesthetic and starters.

>>387537123
read my post sinnohfetus, your trash region along with the worst HMs in the series and slow as shit gameplay will never compete with these 3

>>387537156
>slow as shit even after speeding up D/P
>main game is devoid of any enviornment variety outside of the snow and swamp areas
>both of which slow the game down even more
>horrid HM usage
>Mt. corronet revisits with HM shittery everytime
>inferior battle frontier
>roster littered with shitty babymon, over-saturation of legendaries, and some ugly ass cross evos

>>387537273
it's not fucking hard to be better than Unova, but region aside B2/W2 poops on anything in platinum

>>387535916
This is absolutely correct

>>387537360
sinnoh has the best region in terms of instilling a sense of place, though I understand complaints with how that causes a lack of variety. I personally find it more enjoyable than regions like unova and hoenn, which often seem jarring in how quickly they shift between different environments, leading to a more artificial feeling overall.

>>387537691
as opposed to quickly shifting from a desert to a volcano to a jungle?

>>387537445
>region aside B2/W2 poops on anything in platinum
It really doesn't. Gen 5's starters are pure trash, the art direction is completely unappealing, the music is awful, the excessive focus on plot is a serious problem, the gyms were shit, the sprites were "animated" via tweening so they look like shit, the C-Gear was completely useless compared to the Poketch, and the new Pokemon looked like shit.

>>387537836
I don't agree with most of what you said but

>music is awful
I can't let you get away with this, how the FUCK are you gonna shit on gen 5's music when comparing it to the awful, grating soundfront of D/P/Pt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWuM2pVKpkI

seriously listen to this shit

>>387537835
which is actually a logical transition

high temperature area, large volcano on a fault line causes rain shadow, one side is lush rainforest, the other dry desert

>>387537836
>the music is awful
I understand that you want to 'win' this argument that you're having, but there's no need to be so hyperbolic. BW's music is top-class.

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>>387537836
>sinnoh music better than unova

>>387538060
but that's what happens in hoenn too which you criticized

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>>387536489

>>387535916
>bw2 over bw
This is bait right?

>>387535916
I'd move FRLG down to BW tier and move XY down to SM tier, otherwise it's perfect.

>>387538135
>but that's what happens in hoenn too which you criticized
not him mate

that said, while the desert is in the right place in hoenn, I can see no logical reason for it's mordor shaped mountains

>>387535916
You not wrong anon.

Though I must admit as much as I hate sun and moons story and single player experience I absolutely adore the pokemon this generation and what they can do online. Its a shame you have to suffer through the worst JPRG I have ever played in my life to get to it all.

>>387535916
these threads are worthless without reasonings. What's wrong with S&M but anywhere near decent about B2W2?

can someone explain to me how BW2 is better than BW?

>>387538589
better route layout/progression, more variety than the original, excellent postgame content

>>387538589
better region
better fights
better pokemon distribution
N gets really fucking annoying near the end of the game

and course being the only pokemon game with a hint of challenge does help it

>>387538162
is this bait?

all these people disregarding the originals for their remakes

lmao gay

>>387538589
more content

>>387537156
Not him, but when I played through Platinum these were my complaints
>extremely slow, can make certain areas tedious
>the performance issues are exacerbated by bog and snow, and the snow routes are incredibly bland with weather being even worse than in gen 3
>lots of hopscotching around due to Mt Coronet and cave areas are terrible in Pokemon if you don't want to deal with the encounter rate
>Dex is still fairly bad, the added gen 4 mons in platinum don't really help because a chunk of them are locked off behind specific items
>some of the Pokemon feel like they're meant specifically to annoy you -- if you use them they level slow but learn status conditions and other things out the ass for use against you
>hm usage is somehow worse than in hoenn, especially with defog which is the most unnecessary hm in the series -- gen 3 had fog but you didn't need to clear it away
>distortion world is an interesting idea but all it really showcases is how bad the DS' hardware is
>plot is functionally hoenn 2.0 except with a power level jump on par with fucking dragon ball z, they seriously jumped the shark really fucking hard here

>>387536352
That >>387536502 and the fact there's the pokéwalker

>>387535916
t. Sinnohfetus

If you turned that list on its head it would actually be more correct.

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>>387538138
This desu. Shit made me cry.

>>387538754
Tell me how bw2 is better
I'll wait

>>387538874
wait people still haven't learned the pokemon games shower you with enough money to ensure you'll never run out of super repels?

>>387538363
have you not seen hawaii or something

>>387538725
the hardest thing in pokemon is still emerald frontier

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>>387538135
>sinnoh music better than unova
Yes it is. The one thing no one can argue over is that gen 4 has best music. I'm a gen 3 fag and even I have to admit it.

>>387539137
ah yes, Hawaii, famous for it's vast inland sand deserts

>>387539328
anything that's not a piano sounds like shit in gen 4

>>387539376
changing the goal post

>>387539227
it really isn't
platinum and bw2 postgame teams were vastly better constructed

>>387539328
Gen 4's music sounds like it's trying to imitate gen 2's music only the composers forget to make it memorable.

>>387539056
>how is ultra street fighter better than vanilla street fighter?
>how is guilty gear revelator 2 better than revelator?
>how is dragons dogma dark arisen better than dragons dogma?
Are you legit retarded?

>>387539406
>changing the goal post
like fuck I am, you said to look at Hawaii, which conspicuously completely and utterly lacks the feature I was complaining about in the first place

>>387539057
They really should've just give you an option that turns off the wild encounter rate especially in regions like Hoenn and Sinnoh that have sea routes and cave areas out the ass.

>>387535916
I actually enjoyed sun/moon quite a lot. It was funny and kept me engaged the whole time.
X/Y was pretty bland and forgettable

>>387539557
Nice post
My favorite part was when you didn't list 1 thing better in bw2

>>387539590
no real need, you get enough repels and the game is very clear on what they do

the only people who can't afford repels are the folks who suck bad enough they actually run out of money to buy consumables

in a pokemon game

I feel no pity for them

>>387539580
your post only talked the mountains not being logically sound on the island of hoenn, which is what hawaii is. The desert is a different subject

>>387539590
>They really should've just give you an option that turns off the wild encounter

is this guy serious

>>387539630
how about
The actual presence of a postgame combined with an E4 that didn't end at level fucking 54 as well as actually giving you some pokemon variation rather than dumping a bunch of shitmon on you and hope you didn't notice (the unova rodent and bird suck arse even compared to other rodents and birds)

>>387539752
alright, then show me the god damn mordor shaped ring of non volcanic mountains on Hawaii

>>387539951
>non-volcanic

why? The mountain of hoenn is volcanic

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>HGSS didn't fix any of the problems with Gen 2's region layout/scaling while also having the faults of Gen 4's slow gameplay format
>people praise it for some reason

>FRLG fixes the Gen 1 layout and utilizes the Gen 3 hardware well
>people barely talk about it

I feel like I'm on an alien world in these threads.

>>387538138
I still think Blue Rescue team is the best

>>387535916
Move Emerald up and we've got a deal, only game with 7 facilities, many of which were far superior to those in Platinum

>>387540074
the volcano is
sadly enough the volcano isn't the only mountain near the desert, there's a ring surrounding the other side separating it from the lush river basin

they're the ones that don't make any sense

>>387539884
>E4 that caps at 54
BW E4 caps at 77
>pokemon variation
literally the same gen, with the same pokemon
>post game presence
you can literally just use google to find out how wrong you are about this

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why do pokemon fans have to tear down other games to make their favorites appear better?
can't we all acknowledge that people enjoy the series for different reasons and there's no reason to be so hostile towards fellow fans?

>Sun and Moon below X&Y

Forgot I was on /v/ and not /vp/. /v/ loves to be contrarian.
Swap FR/LG and B/W, and move S/M up to Great Ball.

S/M had potential be on Ultra tier.

>>387539843
>wild encounters are a waste of time if you've either caught everything you want to catch or don't want to catch anything and just move on with the area
>people buy repels for this purpose anyway and pokemon games give you infinite money so you might as well cut out the middleman
>>is this guy serious?????????

>>387540102
FRLG managed to be easier than the originals and actually somehow managed to sound worse
also they in no way fixed the layout

>>387540102
the base games of G/S/C aren't NEARLY as bad as the shitheaps diamond and pearl. Also the additions more than make up for it

>>387540281
In what world are FrLg easier than the originals? RGBY are among the easiest games in the series, right next to RS.

>>387540269
the entire point is to buy a fucking repel, it costs nothing

>>387540153
>there's a ring surrounding the other side separating it from the lush river basin

what, where?

>>387539406
>in gen 4
HGSS sounds great.

>>387540168
>literally the same gen, with the same pokemon
https://pokemondb.net/pokedex/game/black-white
https://pokemondb.net/pokedex/game/black-white-2

and no, BW's postgame in absolutely no way compares to BW2's and the game's main storyline craps out before half its friggin' dex evolves (seriously shit evolves way to late for a game that ends this early)

>>387540102
Only nostalgiafags tout HG/SS being beyond average. FR/LG is a serviceable remake that doesn't have any major hindering flaws that keep it from having replayability, which is good for newcomers and old fans. The kanto remakes are just plain good games, so there's not really much to talk about.

>>387540510
are you actually trying to imply that the same generation doesnt have the same pokemon? are you this dumb? they just scrapped all the pokemon that already existed?
literally every pokemon game has pokemon that evolve really late in the game, thats not a valid arguement
you can say that exact thing about dragonite, tyranitar, salamence

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>>387540281
>FRLG managed to be easier than the originals and actually somehow managed to sound worse
You have any examples? The original Gen 1 games would seem harder and more difficult to play because of the primitive storing system and the huge balance issues with party types. So in that regard, I wouldn't mind if its easier in that respect.

>>387540921
It's not easier, that guy's just an idiot.

>>387540713
Vullaby
Rufflet
Pawniard
Mienfo
Deino
Larvesta

all god damn FIRST STAGE pokemon that don't evolve until level 50 and above

gen 5 is quite literally the only gen that pulls this shit

by the time Deino turns into Zweilous, Shelgon, Gabite and Metang have turned into Salamence, Garchomp and Metagross respectively

>>387540921
an early game example
Gen 1 has a rocket with a lv 16 raticate in mt moon, FRLG has nerfed him to a lv 12 rattata

>>387540737
1. I was talking about in game not concept art

2. those arn't mountains, they're cliffs (although it's hard to see in that picture, could be wrong) which makes perfect sense as deserts are low valley

>>387540102
Finally, someone gets it. I'm sick of seeing all the HGSS praise when it gets really boring a third into the game.

>>387540281
>FRLG managed to be easier than the originals
Nigga, please. In RBY, you could put just a Ghost, Psychic, or Dragon type in your party and could breeze through the game while easily abusing the trainer AI.

>>387541142
>the only generation that pulls this shit
>proceeds to list other gens that pull that shit
???

>>387541448
Those are all gen 5 mons, autist

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>>387535916

>>387541547
shelgon, gabite and metang are gen 5?
are you sure about that?

>>387541142
just for fun, pokemon by gen that evolve at lv 40 or above

Gen 1: 5
Gen 2: 1
Gen 3: 8
Gen 4: 3
Gen 5: 18
Gen 6: 4
Gen 7: 3

>>387541715
Maybe you should go back to school and learn to read again.

>>387541715
shelgon, gabite and metang are all stage 2 pokemon
as in, already evolved once already
before level friggin 50
also gabite and metang evolve before lv 50 and only shelgon among them evolves exactly AT lv 50

>>387541893
it looks to me like you said those exact pokemon
and you called me the autist?

>>387541419
if they're not mountains then we have the problem of a desert being right next to a rain forest without a rain shadow in between which makes the desert horribly out of place

>>387542086
this goes back to the original guy's view then, where a jungle volcano and desert being right next to each other make sense according to him and we've gone full circle

>>387541437
in RBY the only dragon type you had was the dratini line and the only ghost the ghastly line
both of which didn't really help you all that much

seriously: you did not use a dragon type in a gen 1 game

>>387542160
they could make sense, if appropriately placed
in Hoenn they aren't

>>387542309
same shit as sinnoh

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>>387541292
That's not a big deal. FRLG sacrificed a few levels on opponent Pokemon for more consistent scaling and more effective movesets. In pic related, for example, the remake Elite Four has more flexible teams that focus less on raw power and more on reliability and accuracy.

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>>387536317
>being this wrong

>>387542350
FYI: Blizzard had 90% accuracy in gen 1

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>>387535916

>>387542589
Yellow was fun, I liked it. Fuck you. I guess.

>>387538551
SM
>Small region with extremely little aptitude for exploration, only one real dungeon in the game, overall shit level design
>Awful story and writing that constantly interrupts the player, 90% of the time characters talk without saying anything that actually moves the story forward or has substance at all
>Shitty new features like the Festival Plaza and the Poke Finder

B2W2
>Region has tons of optional locations and nooks and crannies to discover, excellent level design overall
>Story is less prominent than in BW
>Immense lasting appeal thanks to great features like Black Tower/White Treehollow, PWT, medal collecting, difficulty settings, the Join Avenue, and the most expansive list of strong trainer rematches still

>>387542235
This may be anecdotal but I remember so many people abusing the hell out of Gengar and Kadabra once they got them in their party.

>>387542330
no sinnoh doesn't have a desert
it has a thin slap of sandy rock near the sea which would actually quite logically cause desert-like conditions
also that route still has sufficient vegetation present

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>>387542759
>no sinnoh doesn't have a desert
>it has a thin slap of sandy rock near the sea which would actually quite logically cause desert-like conditions

come on m8, and deserts have good amounts of vegetation

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>>387538551
>What's wrong with S&M
What's *right* with SM?

>>387542737
oh yeh, Kadabra and Gengar are op as shit
that said while Kadabra was worse in FR/LG, Gengar was actively better due to being able to hurt psychic types this time around

was just saying: nobody used a dragon on their first run of either of the kanto games

>>387542879
SM are such shit games that it'll be much, much easier to list what they did right than what they did wrong. So I'll do that.

>No HMs
>Graphics look nice

Yeah that about wraps it up.

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>>387542856
>and deserts have good amounts of vegetation
first of: not true, for something to be classified as a desert it needs to have a significant lack of vegetation save for areas with water which are classified as floodplane or oasis biomes depending on where exactly the water comes from

secondly: hoenn's desert, zero vegetation in the desert

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>>387543204
what did he mean by this

>>387543394
arid shrubland

>>387543585
I live in Southern California, I know what a desert looks like

>>387543908
and unless it's been raining for days it doesn't look near like that

even with California's desert lite (seriously that shrubdesert barely deserves the term)

if your pic's the average conditions of a location, its precipitation is to high to be called a desert