Uh, no Gael thread? Care to explain yourself /v/?

Artorias was better
Orphan was better
Dead game

>>387535814
*Performs jumping crossbow attack on you*

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Was he Irish?

>>387535891
>meme boss
>true though
>more peps than DaS1 and DaS2

u mean gael gs, the 3-hit combo pvp cancer? yeah it's ok

the story and ending fight of The Ringed City screams of rushed content

>>387535891
>debatable
>screams were fucking annoying
>its surely a lot more alive then you beloved memeborne

>>387535934

First time in a long time I've had to go out loud "YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" while playing a game. That attack was fucking sick.

>>387535891
Artorias was great.
Orphan was god tier.
Gael is kino.

Orphan was the best boss in the soulsborne franchise, until TRC released. Gael is just Orphan but better, just like Friede is Maria, but better.

>>387535934
His moveset was pure porn.
He can LITERALLY insta auto summon himself using soapstones, how fucking cool is that, Memetorias le Cringewalker would certainly not be able to do this.

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>>387536319
>Orphan was the best boss in the soulsborne franchise, until TRC released. Gael is just Orphan but better, just like Friede is Maria, but better.

>>387536152
this

dark souls 1 was the only good game in the series, you know I'm right

>>387536319
too bad his moveset goes to shit in phase three when he just starts autistically thrashing instead of winding up attacks, with 360 degree hitboxes

>>387536375

Orphan was shit, he had a ton of one hit kill attacks, had huge amounts of tracking, spent 90% of his time in the air being unhittable, never even pretended to run out of stamina and his lightning may as well have homed onto your face.

>>387536375
Anon, Bloodborne is my favorite soulsborne game, but that doesn't change facts. From just gets better at making bosses, which is normal, no doubt their next game will have its own version of Maria/Friede and Kosm/Gael that will be even better.

>>387535934
>>387536315
There was some anon a month or two ago that had a ton of Gael webms. Does someone have the webms of Gael shooting his crossbow while airflipping like the abyss watchers?

>>387536567
I thought this the first time I fought him too, but after my second playthrough I realized the fight is a lot of fun if you just stay up in his face the whole time.

Generic design.
Plays exactly like a reskin of Orphan.
Boring arena.

Mediocre fight all-round.

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because there are better things in the series than him

>>387537319

>boring arena
>the literal desert of oblivion at the end of all time
>flanked on all sides by the remnants of the last three games

The fuck is wrong with you?

Extremely lazy boss fight, they give you such an amazing arena and never do something creative with it
Dark Souls 3 is a fucking disgrace

>>387537434
Souls threads are filled to the brim with sonybros and trolls. Just don't bother

>>387537434
Don't give a fuck about whatever made up context you want to give it. It was a big brown bowl with a couple of rocks in it.

>>387536319
>He can LITERALLY insta auto summon himself using soapstones, how fucking cool is that
Wait what the fuck?

is Gael a Daddy?

>>387537679

Well what the fuck did you want the end of time to look like?

>>387537725

Yeah, if you try and run he will use soap stone summoning to bring himself closer to you.

>>387537725
If you go too far he can teleport himself close to you. If you look carefully, you can see him using summon signs, soapstones. The guy has been around since the war with the dragons and can LITERALLY manipulate his own timeline into summoning himself.

>tfw you notice his cape is torn apart because he cut pieces of it to serve as guides for you in the dreg heap and ringed city
He was a real human bean, and a real hero.

>>387537909
>Well what the fuck did you want the end of time to look like?

Maybe something slightly different from the shitty brown and grey colour scheme used in almost every other fucking area of DaS3.

>>387537909
>>387538195
That's fucking wicked, I never noticed that.

Gael did nothing wrong

how exactly did he plan to return home with the pigment

>>387535814
Gael?
More like, GAYL! FAG!

>>387538645
Stop insulting my uncle!

>>387538330
Yeah it's fucking cool. Did you notice that when the fight is over, there is no more sun? It's over, the fire faded, and Gael has literally been alive from the very beginning to the very end of the world. We skipped fast forwarded time with the egg, but Gael has lived through EVERYTHING, just so a little girl can paint a new world (which is Bloodborne in case you're slow).

He knew he would get rekt by the dark soul, and was counting on YOU to finish his mission. Gael is the greatest character mankind has ever created.

Which boss did the least amount of wrong?

>>387538459
He didn't, he knew he would get corrupted by the dark soul. That's why he left markers to guide you, he was hoping you could find him and give the blood to the painter.

>>387535814
the end of the ringed city solved my question about what the hell is all the bother of the gods to preserve the flame and whatnot if everything gets fucked up everytime or at least you don't see any glimpse of good times in the dark souls universe

I like how it's implied that Gael destroyed/consumed everything in his path until he became a force of nature capable of surviving the end of an era, and all of that just for his duty to the painter girl.

I like to believe the Gael fight is a glorified pvp invasion within the story of the game, you're the invader of his world at that point, at certain part of your progress Gael as a "player within the game" goes further beyond the limitations of your own game but at the end he was someone like you, the player.

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>>387538838
>which is Bloodborne in case you're slow

Literally nothing suggests this in any way whatsoever.

>>387538930
then why is he surprised you turned up

>>387538901
Probably Gundyr. The dude was just out of luck and woke up too late, his firekeeper was gone and there was no fire. Not only did he not do anything wrong, he literally didn't do anything at all. And his armor is totally not a direct reference to old king doran. And his second fight was utter flawless perfection, literally 10/10 boss design.
>tfw he shoulder bashes you into oblivion

This DLC was so disappointing. Why in the fucking world would anyone care about Gael? His visual design and first two phases are a joke. And the lore surrounding him reads like fanfiction. Last phase is cool tho even if it still feels like you're fighting an oversized garden gnome.

>>387539190
Because even tho he was hoping you (or another ashen one that bought the DLCs) would find him, it's still pretty surprising for him that you managed to survive until the literal end of the world. His "what, still here" is just that. But at this point he doesn't remember you, or the rotted scrap of the painting, he just sees another bearer of a piece of the dark souls, and we know that he eats people for their piece of the dark soul.

>>387539251
I'm surprised how there isn't a "I'll just take a quick sippy" dark souls nito fight comic version of Gundyr.

>>387539531
I guess, it's pretty underwhelming though
one thing bothers me though, he didn't know the pygmy blood was dried up until he got there
so he wouldn't have known in advance that he needed to eat the dark soul, and therefore he shouldn't have left markers for you

>>387539471
dude he's just like us it's fucking poetic bro it's KINO

>>387539471
>This DLC was so disappointing
it really wasn't, best content From has made, even better than the old hunters.
>Why in the fucking world would anyone care about Gael?
He is just like you anon, a literally who, one out of millions. He's even less important than you, he's a slave knight. You're not supposed to care or not care about Gael, just like nobody cares about you, the guy had a hard life and just wanted to let a little girl paint a new world.

He is what every player is, someone who never quit. The dude lived through EVERYTHING, and didn't turn hollow, just like you, the player who finished the game and didn't ragequit, and all the other who did. He's just one in many that had an unbreakable will. He is the very definition of Dark Souls, a literally who who made it. This is the most Dark Souls ending Dark Souls can have. Even the direct reference to Artorias when he throws a body at you. Artorias is a prestigious knight of Gwyn, cream of the cream, that throws a nobody at you. Gael is a nobody, worse than a nobody, a slave knight, that throws a pygmy lord at you, one of the most important figures in the souls world. This is just god tier writing (and tons of copy pasting but who cares, japs don't give a fuck about anything as long as it looks cool, and it fucking does)

>>387540407
>it really wasn't, best content From has made, even better than the old hunters.

Nope. Old Hunters actually fixed about the only major issue of BB (lack of weapons) while RC fixed literally nothing.

RC is shit.

>>387539826
he probably didn't knew about pigmy blood thing but that doesn't change anything, since his journey, his sacrifice was planned from the beginning. He knew that such big manifestation of dark soul will corrupt him to his very core and he wont be able to deliver pigment to painter, even if blood wasn't dried up. He was counting on you since the start.

>>387539010
Not that guy. I don't think it's Yharnam on a literal level (she has no reason to paint that with no reference whatsoever) but I think it stands to scrutiny that this was Miyizaki saying that Dark Souls was over, hasn't had a soul since II, and you should be playing Bloodborne instead. The whole game basically beats you on the head with the "end the world pls pls pls" ending, with the DLC getting you to build a new, better world out of the literal blood of Dark Souls.

That guy made it sound like a literal thing, which it wasnt, but more of a thematic thing.

>>387540407
>stating he's a "nobody" while simultaneously stating he's some fanfic tier superpowerful demi god thing that has survived until the end of time

Mixed messages.

>>387539826
>so he wouldn't have known in advance that he needed to eat the dark soul, and therefore he shouldn't have left markers for you
We don't exactly know if the only people he ate where the pygmy lords, or if he ate others before, but in any case his armor or weapon or whatever states that "he knew the dark soul would likely ruin hin" or something. He knew he was fucked no matter what.

I think he spent eons just killing everyone, literally EVERYONE for their humanities, and ate just he pygmies.

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>>387540615
maybe its because if nothing is broken, there no need for fixes

>>387541027
t. Nintendo Employee.

>>387540407
The DLC was pretty good, but personally I was still a bit disappointed that none of the important and hinted at characters like Kaathe made a return. I guess it was unreasonable to expect Miyazaki to spell it out directly.

>>387535891

No
Depends; both are awesome
SP is never dead, fag

>>387539010
The trees surrounding hunter's dream are totally not the archtrees.
It's just for fun that you see a DeS armor in the oldest parts of the world (chalice dungeons).
Gundyr's armor is totally not a DIRECT reference to old king Doran.
Dark Souls 1 is totally not the last tombstone in DeS.
Evangelists in DaS3 are totally not the mayors of DeS.
Marvelous Chester is totally not from Bloodborne.
Aldrich and his age of the deep sea has NOTHING to do with the deep sea rune or all the water talking in BB.
Oceiros and Ocelotte have absolutely nothing to do with Mergo and his wet nurse.
Firelink Shrine and Firefu are totally not Memeden in black and the Nexus (and Firefu has even literally the same dialogue)
There is totally no link between the hunter's dream and archdragon peak, places accessed through dreams/meditation that are unafected by the outside world.


There are plenty more that I'm forgetting, but this one is the most obvious, Miyazaki literally tells you it's Bloodborne:
>final cutscene of DaS3, mid fight with Gael
"Aahh, is this the blood, the blood of the Dark Souls"
>Bloodborne Willem
We are born of the blood, made men by the blood

It's almost like Miyazaki knew since DaS that all the games are in the same universe and managed to tie everything up.

I thought it would've been neat to fight another Dancer in the DLC, with time's passage making her grow bigger and more aggressive. Kind of like the Blue Smelter Demon.

Gael was a great final boss. It's great that From finally got the Oscar quest from 1 into the game.

Imagine being such a faggot you think any attempt by video games to be subtle or deep is being artsy fartsy shit and should be immediately mocked and ridiculed.

Cunts like you are why Silent Hill is dead. It tried to be subtle and people were too thick to get it.

>>387541946
>an alternate Dancer where Sulyvahn gave her a thicc-er ass
I am intrigued

I want to FUCK Gael!

>>387540846

It's the point of it all.

You're a literal nobody that defeats him.

Nobody versus nobody, both the most powerful in the lands. All the lords, giants, and dragons, how ye mighty, toppled by nobodies.

>>387541235
Well, after demon prince we access TRC via Frampt's hole in Firelink shrine, and we reach Midir's boss room via a secret meeting room with statues of Kaathe (that whole "show your humanity" part). And Midir's boss room is totally not the cave where everyone found their souls in the DaS intro.

Plus we have plenty of statues of primordial serpents in Lothric's Castle, so we know what happened, Frampt was sperging out like a DaStard about muh Gwyn while Kaathe was sweet talking Manus, Yuria, Lothric, pretty much everyone about muh dark, muh usurpation, muh lord of hollows.

>>387541931
>DaS3 is such a complete and total rehash that retards like this think it's some kind of subtle suggestion that all these games are connected

I wish he was harder

>>387542135
kys fagtron
If we had an alternate universe in DaS3, I'd rather see Lorian in his prime when he slew the demon prince, before he lost his legs. Dancer is fine the way she is, she had a hard life.

>>387542324

The mural in AOA probably depicts the 2 serpents being vanquished by some entities.

Explain to me the people turning into trees lore and what the hell those flying things are in Lothric.

>>387542483
I'd rather follow Alva and Zullie's adventures if we're going that way

>>387542393
Nobody, not even DaS3 fans think that DaS3 isn't a rehash. And that's ok, because From has been rehashing since DaS.

But if you weren't retarded and knew how to read, you'd notice that I also mentioned references from other games, like Marvelous Chester, you know, the guy that comes from the futures and looks like he's cosplaying V+Bloodborne. Or Dark Souls being the broken archstone of DeS, with the fog, the greyness.

Play the fucking games before shitposting about the fucking games.

I recently finished that part so let me see if I got this right.
>Gael went after the Dark Souls because his Lady told him to
>After crossing the entirety of Ringed City BY HIS FUCKING SELF(I call bullshit on this) he found the "Dark Soul" that started the entire series and eat it(?)
>then he got the powers that he shows during the boss fight
>Then after you kill him you get THE DARK SOULS(the thing that gave name to this series) and its just a key item
>You can then give this item to the painting loli back in the Painted World and she talks about how she is going to use it to draw a new world for everyone, which I'm guessing will be a new game

Is this correct? Did I get any of this wrong?
If so, how the fuck Gael is the first to get the Dark Souls? After alll this time it been there just waiting?

>>387542873
The Dark Souls was separated among the Pygmy Lords. When he tried to get it by cutting them up, he discovered that they were so old that their blood was dried up. He then decides to eat it to mix it with his own blood

One more thing. I know the woman holding that round white egg is the princess of the Ringed City, but what is the round egg?

>>387542804
>like Marvelous Chester

Actual foreshadowing of BB.

>Dark Souls being the broken archstone of DeS

Nope. Literally nothing suggests this. The incomplete area of DeS was intended to be some kind of castle with beastpeople as enemies.

Why did Gael not trigger the egg-destruction of TRC by himself when he clearly reached the ringed city before us, given that his cloth is in the shared grave

>>387542756
I'd rather follow Aldia and discover what lies beyond the scope of light, beyond the reach of dark if we're totally honest senpai.

Damn, DaS2 and DaS3 has some kino dialogue writing.

>>387542804
>>387543027
What happened to the dark soul being humanity? Why did humanity disappear from DaS3?

>>387542804
>Dark Souls being the broken archstone of DeS
Are you mentally challenged ?

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>yfw he suddenly teleports through a fucking white sign

>>387543030
Hard to say. Some say it's Midir's egg. Some say it's a transposing kiln (yeah, like the one Ludleth uses to transpose boss weapons, third best girl is literally transposing the ringed city). Some say it's just a physical representation of the ringed city. If you look closely, you notice that the crack in the egg is the same as the "crack" in the wall surrounding the ringed city, a huge chunk is missing.

But no matter what it is, we know that this egg and Filinofu's sleep are puting an illusion on the ringed city. When the egg breaks, and she wakes up, we see the world as it actually is.

I just realized I forgot about that one dude that shows up traveling around The Ringed City with amnesia.
Do you get to summon him in the final battle?
I remember having a talk with him before reaching the church with the giant dude but then he never showed up again.

>>387542873

Egg Lady was hiding the portal to the Pygmy Lords, who were put at the end of time (past the Age of Fire and Dark). Gael went in ate them.

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>>387543732
you missed out on Patches' final speech to the player

>>387543092
Because he didn't use the egg. We fast forwarded time, Gael lived through all eternity.
>>387543340
Didn't you notice how embers are just burned humanities? It's literally the same item but red. Remember we're unkindled, we're ash.

It was a neat fight, but what the fuck was even happening through all of those DLCs?
What was Ariandel, and why was Freida watching over it?
Why were there mutant bird fetuses, and why could one of them speak to you?
What was Freida's position, exactly, and why does she attack you unprovoked?
Who was the girl making the painting, and why does Gael worship her?
Why does Ringed City take place so far after the rest of the game (some armor set mentions the Ashen One's journey happening a very long time ago, plus the shit with Lapp), yet you can just teleport to it?
What was with the woman holding the giant egg that shatters when you touch it?
Why does Gael think that the player character has the dark soul? Is he just hollowed and confused?
I'm so lost.

>>387543732
Yeah you have to find the purging monument and tell him about it. He then remembers his name and you have one final cutscene that pretty much sums up the character of Patches and the whole story in general.

>>387544030
but why didn't he use the egg
did he just get up to Halflight and give up?

>>387544214
He knows that it is rude to interrupt princesses while they sleep

>>387542679
pilgrims

>>387544169
>>387543838
So that dude is Patches. I'm guessing you find out how he loses his memories?
Cuz he was in the game and he spents a longass time sitting on the shrine selling you stuff.
Also what the fuck, wasnt he supposed to be just a "funny" character

>>387544545
his quest line ends with him remembering who he is and kicking you off a fucking cliff again

>>387544545
It's kind of a long running joke about how even at the end of time itself Patches is still around and still a complete dick ass. People only go hollow when they lose their purpose, Patches' purpose was to be a dickass and he never lost sight of that.

>>387535891
>No
>They are both great
>More alive than any other Souls game

>>387544053
>What was Ariandel
Ariandel is the dude that restored the painting, the one in Friede's boss fight. The painting bears his name.
>Why were there mutant bird fetuses
That's some heavy lore related to Velka, Ariamis, and the crow people from all souls games. Too long to explain, but every souls youtuber made a video about it.
>What was Freida's position, exactly
She is Yuria's sister, one of the 3 founders of the sable church of Londor. She tried to usurp the fire, but she failed. She's unkindled just like you, so she went in the painting world and decided to let it rot and NOT set in on fire. She just does to the painting what she and her sister and Kaathe wanted her to do in the real world.
>Who was the girl making the painting, and why does Gael worship her?
Not sure about the girl, but 99% sure she's blood related to Priscilla, her dialogue hints at that. Gael doesn't really "worship" her. He just ended up in the painted world like many people, and saw hope in her, a new world.
>Why does Ringed City take place so far after the rest of the game (some armor set mentions the Ashen One's journey happening a very long time ago, plus the shit with Lapp), yet you can just teleport to it?
The stone humped hag tells you the ringed city is at the literal end of the world, past the sea of rubbish. We can teleport to it just like we can teleport to Oolacile, gameplay reasons and time shenanigans. TRC is just at the very very very end of the world, Gael fight takes place literally minutes before the sun dies, the end of the age of fire. Now "the fire fades edition" makes sense.
>What was with the woman holding the giant egg that shatters when you touch it?
Gwyn's daughter put there to "hide" and "shield" the ringed city with her sleep.
>Why does Gael think that the player character has the dark soul? Is he just hollowed and confused?
Because we know from DaS that the pygmy split his soul among all "mankind". Everyone has a bit of the dark soul.

>>387537434
don't argue with retards with shitaste, they are not worth

>>387538347
true, but in the end it's you or him

>>387544214
Because he had to live through all eternity. Remember he wanted the dark soul. And EVERYONE has a bit of the dark soul, since the pygmy lord split it across all mankind. He spent thousands of years just killing people, he lived from the very beginning of the world to the last second.

>>387544053
>What was Ariandel, and why was Freida watching over it?
Apparently there was a second lineage of chosen ones who, instead of linking the fire, make painted worlds. For some reason or another Freida corrupted the current painted world and stopped them from painting a new one.

>Why were there mutant bird fetuses, and why could one of them speak to you?
They're the bird NPCs you've already seen in the original painted world as well as in DaS2 and on the Road of Sacrifices. No one really knows who they are or where they came from. Might just be a fancy fantasy species.

>What was Freida's position, exactly, and why does she attack you unprovoked?
She's one of the three Sable Church sisters along with Yuria, except she's doing her own thing.

>Who was the girl making the painting, and why does Gael worship her?
She's one of the people who make the paintings, except this time it's some sort of a special painting made from the Dark Soul™ so it's more important. She's imprisoned by Freida who doesn't want her to finish the painting.

>Why does Ringed City take place so far after the rest of the game (some armor set mentions the Ashen One's journey happening a very long time ago, plus the shit with Lapp), yet you can just teleport to it?
Flow of time is convoluted in Lordran etc.

>What was with the woman holding the giant egg that shatters when you touch it?
Some magic lady who's holding some sort of an illusion on the Ringed City. No one really knows.

>Why does Gael think that the player character has the dark soul? Is he just hollowed and confused?
You're the only other being left alive at the literal end of time. There aren't exactly a lot of suspects as far as he's concerned.

>>387544053
I dont know if it's bait but.

1.He restored Ariandel's painting (ike that lady that shitted on that jesus painting), outside of that i at least am not sure
2.They were corvians, they were not fetus, and they can all speak, they are just not interested.
3.Friede abandoned the Londor church (that's why she is in the painting, land of the forlorn aka social misfits), she attacks you because you are going to burn the current painting to make a new one, and she doesnt want that.
4. A painter (which coud be related to priscila or the snakes, most likely the former), which is painting a new world, since the one they are in is rotting, since before Friede appeared Priscila ruled over the painting, her daughter is technically the real ruler, and Gael worships her because he is also forlorn, but perhaps there is an implied closer platonic affection between the two, and she will paint a new good world.
5. time is conveluted
6. Reference to a moon movie, breaking the egg reveals the "real" ringed city.
7. Human=holds humanity and humanity=fragment of the dark soul, but he is also very confused and demented, not hollow though.

>>387543247
What the Hell happened to Aldia, the BotC, and Shanalotte, anyway?

>>387535891
fpbp

>>387536319
Fag. Best Boss is Midir.

>>387545275
no, it wasn't bait
>>387544942
>>387545141
Thank you, very interesting info. Clears things up a lot. There are still some things that don't make a ton of sense but I'm going to chalk them up to "because Miyazaki felt like it."

Okay I understand that Dark Souls lore is really open for imagination, do we at least know what happened to all the main characters after their games?
Dark Souls 1 had two endings, you either keep the fire alive in Gwyn's place or deny it and let dark prevail. Which is the canon ending?
Dark Souls 2 there was one ending I think. You sit in the throne and it closes up with you inside. What the fuck happened with you after that?
Dark Souls 3, who was your character before waking up in a tomb? Is any of the endings confirmed canon as of now? And why there was another version of your Shrine but without light? Even Gundyr was there too.

Should I watch that Vaati guy? I actually dont like him for some reason and I heard he pretty much just stole his lore videos material from /v/.

>>387535814
Little red knighy hood was kind of easy, but fuck if he wasn't stylish.

>>387535891
>6k players
>Dead game
What did he mean by this?

>>387536319
>Orphan was the best boss in the soulsborne franchise
The best boss in the soulsborne series would actually be me as the world 3-3 boss in Demon Soul's.

>>387544053
>What was Ariandel, and why was Freida watching over it?
>Why were there mutant bird fetuses, and why could one of them speak to you?
>What was Freida's position, exactly, and why does she attack you unprovoked?

Ariandel is most likely the person who restored the old painting of Ariamis which was slowly rotting, giving its name in the process. Several items in the painted world of Ariandel imply it is a rehashed Ariamis' painted world, like that magic which reveals Sulyvahn is a native of Ariamis.

However, the world of Ariandel started to rot as well. Originally the (crow) people were OK with the world burning away and burning the rot in the process, for the sake of a new world (just like that one rotted crow guy stated). Themselves were also afflicted by it, so the "bird fetuses" are not actually fetuses despite their looks but crow people slowly rotting.

For some reason, when she came to the painted world, Freida felt she had to protect the world of Ariandel, even rotted, and somehow convinced Ariandel himself to prevent the world from burning by using his own blood - hence why you can turn Friede's soul into a flail (Ariandel used this flail to collect his blood).

Frieda is hostile to you because, by opening the path to father Ariandel, you challenge the whole purpose of her presence. It's also implied she herself was originally meant to accelerate the burning of the painted world.

>Who was the girl making the painting, and why does Gael worship her?

The fact that she has dragon scales on some parts of her skin suggest she is related to Priscilla, perhaps she is her daughter. Also, I think she considers Gael, in the Japanese version, to be her mentor rather than her uncle, and some speculate Gael also motivated her to start her painting.

>>387545863
>Which is the canon ending?
It depended entirely on if you view the world as worth saving or if it should move on to the new age. A real lasting ending worthy of discussion. Dark Souls II makes it so no matter what you chose, the flame would die down and man would once again kindle it.
>Dark Souls 2 there was one ending I think
Scholar of the First Sin adds a new NPC with tons of ruminations on why human beings cling so tightly to life. This NPC wanted to escape the cycle of death and rebirth, but ultimately was unable to. Scholar adds a second ending where this NPC pretty much resigns himself and the player to never knowing what it's like to live outside death and rebirth.

Ain't finished DSIII

>>387545420
>Aldia
It's hinted that he's the scholar that influenced Lothric into not linking the fire, his mentor.
>Botc
Well, it's hinted that Wolnir is a botc. Not THE botc, but one of the many like you who finished DaS2. With the crowns from the DLCs he grounded to dust and turned into one, he was immortal, and fucked off with Aldia somewhere to see what lies beyond the cycles and light and dark. Turns out you become an extremely powerful warlord and fall to the abyss.
>Shanalotte
No fucking idea about bear seek seek lest. I think she is related to Ocelotte.

>>387545863
> do we at least know what happened to all the main characters after their games?
No

>Dark Souls 1 had two endings, you either keep the fire alive in Gwyn's place or deny it and let dark prevail. Which is the canon ending?
Can be either, if you let the flame fade, some idiot went and lit that shit up, otherwise you become part of the lords amalgamation of burned motherfuckers

>Dark Souls 2 there was one ending I think. You sit in the throne and it closes up with you inside. What the fuck happened with you after that?
It doesnt matter, you either lit the fire or some other fucker lit it after you die or go hollow, they added a second dlc ending with you going "fuck that, i will find another way" but that never comes to fruition of anything.

>Dark Souls 3, who was your character before waking up in a tomb?
Undead fuck who didnt burn himeself to death, open outside of that.

>Is any of the endings confirmed canon as of now?
No

>And why there was another version of your Shrine but without light? Even Gundyr was there too.
Time shenanigans, no one knows for sure though.

>>387535814
dark souls 2 and 3 are trash

>>387545813
Why dont you just watch Vaati

>>387545863
1's canon ending is that you link the fire, or at least SOME chosen undead does, because soul of cinder uses movesets from DS1 characters and his armor is even partly the elite knight armor.
2 had an ending that you likely wouldn't find on your own and was only in Scholar of the First Sin, where you have to kill every boss in the game before fighting Nashandra. You then fight Aldia, Vendrick's brother, and afterwards the two of you cooperate to look for a cure to the undead curse.
In 3, nothing and everything is canon because there's not likely going to be another game. Untended Graves is still a bit of a mystery; it looks like it's a past or future version of Firelink, but that barely makes sense. The Firelink you go to could be the one in a different timeline from the rest of the connected game world, since you never actually see the places you visit from there, except that also doesn't make a lot of sense, because all of the NPCs you meet travel there. I like to imagine there just isn't really any reason behind it, and the devs just thought it would be cool.

>>387546313
Your birth was a trash and a mistake.

>>387544053
>Why does Ringed City take place so far after the rest of the game (some armor set mentions the Ashen One's journey happening a very long time ago, plus the shit with Lapp), yet you can just teleport to it?
>What was with the woman holding the giant egg that shatters when you touch it?

"time and space are convoluted xD"

No, seriously, I got no better explanation. I know the egg references some animated movie and Vaati has made a video about it, I think, but that's it.

>Why does Gael think that the player character has the dark soul? Is he just hollowed and confused?

Remember he's got through the end of time since you time, collecting humanities from dying humans during that time (might explain why he's so deformed), and at this point still isn't aware he got the dark soul within him. Since you are the only remaining being, you are the only other person to potentially possess the dark soul.

>>387546313
Both are better than DaS. DaS3 is on par with BB.

>>387546239
I prefer the idea where they all fucked off to someplace and the BotC is just fucking the Emerald Herald

>>387546313
They arent trash but are completely wasted potential because of BAMCO being cunts.

DaS1 is also wasted potential, just less, remember "black knights who travel across the map"?Yeah.

>>387546579
bear seek seek lest is not for sexual anon

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>all these people saying "idk what untended fire link is

It's fire link in the distant past, before Gundyr got the pus of humanity seeping into him. You killing him in the past is the time loop that sets him up as the tutorial boss as well.

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>tfw beat Gael with calamity ring and no healing

Why don't you shitters give yourselves a real challenge once in a while?

>>387546848
But why do you get there from the basement of Lothric Castle?

>>387536375
Gael>orphan
Maria>friede

>>387545114
>He lived from the very beginning
Wait, what are you trying to say? I don't remember this being mentioned ever. Was he there with the furtive pygmy during the intro of the first game?

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Boys, its time to claim your Dark Souls 3 waifu.
Heres mine.

>>387546579
Silly anon, you can't fuck a half-dragon woman in DaS universe because of her fanged vag

>>387546848
But killing him is optional.

>>387547276
If the characters of the games had more elaborate backgrounds and personalities, maybe they'd be worth being waifus, but in their present state, meh...

>>387547337
Just like the whole Oolacile segment in DaS1

>>387547426
That was due to cut content though.

>>387539471
Everyone says Dark Souls 3 was so disappointing. Was it really that bad?

>>387546804
>implying she doesn't want you to satisfy her covetous demon with your santier's spear once you get all of the souls of the great ones

>>387547689
Low effort crash grab created out of contractual obligation

>>387547415
What are you talking about, they all have backstories.
Not as much as the ones in Dark Souls 1 cuz it had two sequels to elaborate even further.

>>387547689
yes

most linear title in the series, uninspired trash and only slightly less terrible than dark souls 2

>>387547415
Pricilla has 3 lines of dialogue mate, dont even start to joke about her being elaborate.

Most souls chaacters are veeeery paperthin, the interesting ones are all exceptions.

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>>387544545
Clearly you haven't caught the point of the character if you thought he was just there to be the "funny" guy. Patches is one of the only people to be reincarnated in every iteration of soulsborne since Demon's. He exists to punish the greedy and overly curious. Patches is one of the only good and honest people in all of Souls, but he gets a shit rep because people are so asshurt for being dumb fucks. In this final scene Miyazaki is speaking through Patches, telling the player one final time to not keep asking questions they don't want the answers to. Curiosity killed the cat, and all that. Please make a genuine effort to at least research the character before deeming him a token "funny" throwaway. Patches is artistic genius of the highest level, something you simply can't experience in another medium, and definitive proof that gaming is art.

t. not Patches

>>387548085
They do have backstories but it's cookie cutter tier

>>387547689
>Was it really that bad?

Of course not, Dark Soul 3 is the best one.
It just happens that the first Dark Souls is a massive overrated meme, so of course they will say DS2, DS3, Bloodborne, and whatever other Souls game is inferior and disappointing.

>>387547689
No. It's entirely hyperbole. If you're that suspicious, grab it on sale. But it's well worth the normal price.

>>387547689
It wasn't fantastic, just okay. The game is very brown, and the combat doesn't feel quite as good as the other games (you can roll for fucking years, and one hit staggers you so that you're guaranteed to take another, yet enemies actually have functional poise). The world setup is also not great, and the game feels very linear compared to even DS2.

>>387548221
I'm not joking around, she's not interesting at all. People only remember Priscilla for her fluffy tail, it's so pathetic.

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>>387535814
>Using a greatsword
>His attack pattern and your stamina are perfectly synchronized with your retaliation strikes
>His attacks are perfectly animated so you know exactly when to dodge, none of that quarter/half-second delay bullshit
>Beat him on the first try
>Felt like lighting up a cigarette afterwards

Not a great franchise ending boss, but a very good DLC ending boss

>>387547689
It's the end of the series, so expectations were high for fans. Bamco just wanted a quick cashgrab with minimal time and effort and FROM just wanted to get id of their contactual obligation as soon as possible to work on other stuff and had setting fatigue.

There is some effort in it, but not enough for it to be the final game of the series.

>>387548252
GOOD GAME TIER
Bloodborne, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1

NOT VERY GOOD GAME TIER
Dark Souls 3

BAD GAME TIER
Dark Souls 2

>>387548480
I had 40 int/40 fai and used the demon's scar
it took me THREE HOURS
just fuck my shit up

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>>387547276
BEARER
SEEK
SEEK
LEST

>>387548426
I must apologize, i read as an insult to particularly ds3 and got confused.

But yeah, characters in souls games are very uninteresting i agree, and even worse they are often rehashed. Its such a shame such games with some great gameplay are stuck with this low-tier writing unnecessarily confusing lore.

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>>387538195

Wait what? He left pieces of his cloak along the way?

>poisoned him with storyteller's staff and ran away until he died, several times

hehe... nice try... kid

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>>387548703
>Builds a caster
>Complains about the game being too hard

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>>387539251
>The karate kick into a shoulder bash

>>387548638
>GODLY PS4 EXCLUSIVE TIER
Demon's Souls, Bloodborne
>RUINED BY PKEKS TIER
The rest

>>387549121
I know it's not that hard, I'm just bad

>>387548481
Did From want Dark Souls or Bloodborne to be a series?

>>387548976
look closely what's at the ledge of >>387543838
he left pieces of his cape as guideline for you to find him.

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Gael would have been Elder God tier boss if he had a presence in the base game as an undead looking for the painted world, with the two of you helping each other throughout the base game
This would have gone even better into hyping up the second phase, as the player would have gotten used to the Gael fighting style and so it'd have been awesome to see your phantom buddy translating his co-op attacks during the fight against you
This is also just nitpicky, but I really wish the phase where he fights you like a summon was his final phase, to drive home the "two undead nobodies battling 1v1", it'd have felt more like a proper duel
You could even have played in Patches' final speech, the "every age is beset by the greed of man", where it appears like you vs Gael is motivated by greed for the Dark Soul but you both subvert it and have a final 1v1 honourable fight as undead humans, paving the way for a better world in the painting

>>387536425
Half of Dark Souls 1 is even more rushed than anything else in the series though

>>387548937
It's okay man. ^^
I'm glad at least one person in the thread realises how shallow the characters can be in Souls games

>>387535891
Orphan was not better, neither was Artorias. Gael's fight had such an epic sad tone, befitting the literal end of the world. It makes me shivers every time I dwell about it.

>>387546848
Untended shrine is just a timeline were the fire faded, Ludleth and the handmaiden tell you this. Otherwise you're right about the time loop. Gundyr woke up too late, that's sad as fuck.
>>387547042
Because untended graves is the "real" firelink shrine, the one connected to the world, that's under lothric's castle. Our firelink shrine is just a pocket dimension most probably made by Ludleth. Remember that the royal family has a duty to link the fire, of course their castle will be literally on top on it. But things got fucked when Lothric decided to get assravaged by his Chad brother all day every day instead of linking the fire, Oceiros got mad and started fucking around with Seathe's work trying to turn into a dragon and transcend the cycles when he saw that everything was fucked.

But both are at the same space geographically in the game code. Souls you left in one will be in the other. That's really cool.

>>387547232
We know he was there during the war with the dragons, so he was one of the countless hollows bumping into each other in the dark before they stumbled upon their lord souls.

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>>387547276
I'm glad you picked the worst sister.

>>387547689
>Everyone says
Yeah no, only a couple of autistic DaStards on /v/ say this. Everyone knows that DaS3 is the best souls game, and is almost as good as Bloodborne which is the best soulsborne game.

>>387549648
Damn, I've never heard of that before, sounds interesting. I do believe you, but when/where is that mentioned specificially?

>>387548638
>GOD TIER
Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3
>GREAT TIER
Sotfs, DeS
>VERY GOOD TIER
DaS
>LITERALLY KYS YOURSELF SENPAI TIER
DaS2

Only correct rating.

>>387539761
estus sippies are so quick in 3 as to be unpunishable so ti doesn't really happen

>>387549324
Now that Miyazaki rules over the company, no, but then again, you shouldnt have made a 3 game contract if you dont want to fucking do it. And if you have to do it, actually put an effort in it, and dont let it become the development hell DaS2 became. Fuck i'm mad.

>>387549440
>^^
Don't do emoticons.
>I'm glad at least one person in the thread realises how shallow the characters can be in Souls games
I think people just tend to take be wondered by the really neat world the games create (one thing they are good is interesting world building), that they think there is more behind the curtains of these characters, when there really isnt.

>>387549408
>Gael would have been Elder God tier boss if he had a presence in the base game as an undead looking for the painted world, with the two of you helping each other throughout the base game
I have said this multiple times in these threads, but again, memezaky likes his DLC contained and ruined a perfect character building moment.

>>387548638
>implying I care about your opinion

>>387541931
main hub is a recreation of the Demon's Souls main hub the Nexus. the two are very very similar.

the first main area of Lothric Castle is Boletarian palace, complete with red-eye knights. complete with dragons hanging around (bridge dragons first in DeS). when this area opens up later after the Dancer fight it gets even more blatant, and that final stretch to the Two Princes battle is copy of the intro to Boletaria, complete with skeleton knights hiding behind wooden barriers. that big wooden buggy that shows up from time to time also first appeared in DeS.

the gargoyle guys taking you and dropping you off is a thing that first happens in DeS. same with rolling skeletons, they first appear in DeS. the Stormruler special weapon that you use to kill a specific boss first appears in DeS as a special weapon used to kill a specific boss. Patches is also a mischievous presence in DeS and features heavily in DS3. the boss fight in the middle of the town where you fight alongside the onion knight is very much like the first boss fight of The Shrine of Storms, where you fight the same demon in the middle of a castle.

finally there is Irithyll Dungeon, an inverted copy of Tower of Latria. i say inverted cos you work your way down, and once you get to the Profane Capitol, you are fighting gargoyles on suspended walkways a la the end of the Tower of Latria level. DS3 re-created 3 areas from DeS, it's a stretch to say it does that many from DS1.

Dark Souls 3 came out within less than half an year after the team finished with Bloodborne and it shows
>The promotional art shows the desert where you fight Gael.

>>387548976
At all the drops in the dreg heap you see a piece of his cape under a rock to show that's it's the right way. He even leaves messages like "jump, you won't die" or something and you see his ghost pointing at the fall.

>>387548785
Shanalotte is my DS waifu and best Fire Keeper!

>>387550034
>And if you have to do it, actually put an effort in it, and dont let it become the development hell DaS2 became. Fuck i'm mad.

explain bros

>>387550034
>I have said this multiple times in these threads, but again, memezaky likes his DLC contained and ruined a perfect character building moment.
which is a damn shame since half the hype of Artorias of the Abyss was meeting the knights of Gwyn mentioned in the game

>>387549492
youre a dumbass bro Thats like every fight in dark souls 3

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>>387535814
In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:

>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks

>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina

>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again

>>387549707
As long as you understand Yuria is bald.

>>387549246
>followed by a charge where he delays his spin and baits into rolling then comboes you for 10 fucking seconds

The fight really feels like two extremely skilled warriors at the peak of their power. Not a second of free time, it never ends, he just keeps attacking. You know that he would have cleared the game first try if he didn't wake up too late.

I wonder how much of the lore is lost for us when the game is localized.
With such a convoluted and open lore theres no way everything translates perfectly to english.

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>>387537365
>no tsundere darkmoon doujin because of chubby chasers

>>387549492
Gael, like Gwyn, is an old man with a long beard and a large sword that glows with power, which he wields almost exclusively in one hand. The area we fight him in (the ashen desert) looks almost exactly like the ashen area around the Kiln, except that it has the exact opposite purpose: Whereas the Kiln contained the First Flame that kept the gods going, the Palace in the Ringed City contained the Dark Soul and the Pygmies that were the centerpiece of everything dark.

Both went there with the goal to preserve their idea of a perfect world, and the knowledge that they would sacrifice themselves in the process: Gwyn for the age of fire, Gael for humanities painting. Both went mad, and had to be put down by another undead, who came with the goal to fulfill their respective original mission.

And finally, the most significant resemblance is ironically the biggest difference as well: In the end, both of them became the opposite of what they were in life. Gwyn went from a powerful, noble Lord of Sunlight to a mad, raving undead, indistinguishable from the ones that he so hated with all his heart. Gael went from a lowly slave on the brink of losing his mind at the end of the world to one of the most powerful, competent and most "godlike" entities in the the entire series when he begins to succumb to the Dark Soul at the beginning of phase 2.

>>387550753
Half sure that From has an office in London that helps them localize everything

>>387549984

Watch this:

DeS>BB>DaSII>DaS>>>>>DaSIII

>>387549819
His armor, sword, soul or the blood of the dark soul, not even sure.I think his armor explains the whole slave knight thing. Dudes hired for the bleakest of battles (archdragons) but never relieved from duty, the lowest of the low. And some other dialogue I think, probably in ariandel.

And have you seen the spells he uses? Those white miracle freesbees? I think the description of the spell says it's as old as the gods or something, and he knows the spell, so he must have been around. And don't forget he can literally insta auto teleport himself with soapstones, something that takes time and involves two players from two different timelines. So to be able to auto summon himself in his own world, he either lived in ALL the timelines of EVERYONE (I'm working on this theory), OR can just manipulate his own timeline at will because he's lived through it all.

He literally made space and time his bitch.

>>387550285
First director was fuck nutjob who made skyrim instead of souls and was removed from existence (i also think he was fired from FROM), then Tanimura makes this giant fuck project but doesnt have the time or money to finish(probably thanks to nutjob wasting time and money), so they reworked the game and plot to work with what they had ready, and fianlly, it was made for the 360/ps3 for maximum userbase profit, but guess what, those consoles suck so it ran like shit so they removed their most wanked mechanic they had, the lighting engine, so it looks like shit 90% of the time and all of that deceiving trailers drama. Thats the gist of it, not 100% accurate but something along these lines, if you look there are GIANT pieces of unfinished areas in the code, far beyond what any game (even DeS and its missing archstone) has.

With this disaster, BAMCO loses faith on from and DaS3 happens.

>>387550337
Yep, memezaky is a fucking hack when it comes to writing itself, settings are dope though.

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>>387540407
>he's a slave knight.

Since his character was put into the game, I've never understand the lore behind the idea of "undead slave knights". Who the fuck was employing undead, when the undead only show up at the end of an age of fire, where everyone has already gone fucking crazy thanks to the darksign sapping their humanity? What "wars" were they being used to fight in during what would have been an outbreak of undead? It makes absolutely no fucking sense and I'm assuming Miyazaki just pulled this out of his ass without even considering the previously established lore and how this contradicts it so severely and utterly that it creates a plot hole you could drive a train through.

>>387550280
Stay away from my wife, anon

>>387551182
Ah, I see. Thank you for the explanations anon, I'll check out the descriptions again.

>>387548241
How is Urbain curious or greedy?

>>387550280
>>387548785
>>387551407
Where are your wedding photos and videos? Don't see a ring on her finger.

>>387540837
>corporate meddling is lore
And here I'd thought Soulsdrones couldn't possibly reach a new low.

>>387551336
>Miyazaki just pulled this out of his ass without even considering the previously established lore
Sounds like most Souls lore in one sentence.

The Ringed City is the best final area in Soulsborne

>>387548221
>Pricilla has 3 lines of dialogue mate, dont even start to joke about her being elaborate.

lol nigga you new to Dark Souls?
Literally 99% of the characters story is only found through item descriptions and other characters dialogues.
You mention Priscilla. Yes you meet her once, yes she barely says anything, but if you paid attention to the lore you would know who her parents are, how kind she was, how she was treated by others, etc.
Literally everyone who played at least one game to completion should know how all the info about everything in that universe is everywhere just waiting for you to go and find it yourself.

Is it annoying? Yes. I liked it at first but now after three games I can barely keep up with everything in my head.

>>387548221
Priscilla was supposed to be the level-up lady but they threw her into the test level as a secret boss instead. I think that's how it goes.

>>387552278
Not him but additional item descriptions and other lines of dialogue don't suddenly make her a great character, it's the bare minimum of information really. Like an another anon said, most people only remember her for FLUFFY TAIL and that tells a lot.

I like how Dark Souls fanbase can be easily divided into two:
>"Gael is the final boss of the series? Thats interesting, I will look into the Slave Knights backstory and see how that impacted in the devs decisions for that ending."
>"Gael is the final boss of the series? WHY IS IT NOT ARTORIAS? WHY IS IT NOT ORNSTEIN? WHY IS IT NOT SOLAIRE? WAAAAH FROM SOFTWARE IS NOT REFERENCING DARK SOULS 1 ENOUGH"

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>>387551813
>implying videos existed back then
>implying you get married using rings
>implying her giving the feather and her name wasn't enough

>>387553093
Except plenty of us are neither of those.

I just think Gael is shit because he's given the most absolute bare minimum of context and his fight is a complete rehash of Orphan.

Don't give a fuck about Artorias and would never want him or any other previous character somehow coming back to life so I can re-fight them.

>>387553093
On my first playthrough, I warped to the Dreg Heap because I thought that's where you were supposed to go. Thought Gael was the final boss of the game.

Completely missed Soul of Cinder and didn't care for the Gwyn rehash.