Who is Sen?

The dude who this fortress belonged to apparently.

I'm Sen.

>>387490835
Senua

The guy who obviously likes traps.

>>387490835
Some asshole who built a theme park
Next quest chin

It's the seat of Undead Burg's senator.

Sen was the guy who single-handedly built the fortress. No one knows who employed him, though

A douchebag with with fetish for snakemen

>>387490835
My neighbour

Whoever he is, he is a god DAMN ASSHOLE

>>387491067
>No one knows who employed him, though
Gwyn did. Andre tells you that Sen's Fortress was a proving ground for those who wanted to enter Anor Londo.

>>387491028
What a fag

a translation error. this game fucking sucks because all of the shit that would've actually made the story interesting was lost to retarded translators who were probably too busy telling women on Facebook to show vagene pics.

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Thats actually a really good question Ive never seen asked in the myriad of DS threads over the years

Also, his fortress wasnt even as hard as blightown from the depths, fuck off with your memeing

>>387491189
wat

>>387490835
It was never explained. I always just assumed it was named after its real world designer

Formerly Chuck's.

>>387491230
I think he's implying the translators were Indian.

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>>387491082
This. Fucking Sen.

He's the guy that designed that fortress
Not every architect needs fucking Imhotep fame

Sen's dead, baby. Sen's dead.

>>387491189
>>387491230
This is very common misconception.
Just because "sen" means "thousand" in Japanese doesn't mean it's "the fortress of a thousand traps".
The original clearly spells センの古城 meaning Sen is not a native Japanese word and most likely a given name. And it doesn't say anything about traps either. The fortress of a thousand doesn't exactly sound grammatically right even in Japanese.

>>387491082
>>387491459
Sen is the fucking man faggots. Don't hate him because you're jealous you'll never be half the man Sen is.

>>387490835
>gets into the guy's home
>fucks shit up
>sets all the traps
>"durrr who's Sen?"

You should be ashamed.

Why do snake people like living there?

Is prime vendrick the strongest character in dark souls lore considering how wrecked the big 4 bosses of DS1?

>>387491581
What? Vendrick didn't kill them, Chosen Undead did
The strongest character in lore is Prime Gwyn, easily.

>>387491581
He wrecked the big 4 of whoever that were during his lifetime, not the original DS1 bosses, since the player character killed those. Although I guess being on par with the player character is an achievement on its own for NPCs.
Pontiff Sulyvahn was pretty hardcore too.

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>start googling for "who is sen"
>stumble upon some fucking fanfiction

>>387491581
pre-kindling gwyn is probably the strongest, barring some dragon we never actually see. i mean if gwyn had to assemble an army to beat them, you have to assume at least one of them was stronger than gwyn.

>>387491378

Sneed's Fort and Sort.

>>387491705
Vendrick was a chosen undead just like the PC, but he tried to break the rules.

>>387490835
THAT QUESTION WILL BE ANSWERED THIS SUNDAY NIGHT

>>387490835
right after sen's fortress is when the game starts feeling unfinished in parts.

maybe he filtered out his own developers
cuz they have to play through to make that part of the game
high as hell

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>>387491856
I WAS TYPING THAT YOU CUNT

>>387491824
Nah. He was a king figure like Gwyn, but instead of allying with the other Lords against the dragons he subdued them instead to built his own empire.
Actually I think with if there were no dragons, Gwyn would have likely done the same thing.

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>>387491916
I WANT TO BULLY YOTSUBA

>>387491581
dk2 shouldn't even count, honestly

who was strongest in dk1 and demon soul's universe's?

>>387491986
STOP

>>387491581
>tfw like Dark Souls lore but only played one and have no idea what most the lore threads are talking about

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>>387491986
ALSO UNACCEPTABLE, GET LOST YANDA

What was the most annoying part about this for you guys?

I know you didn't have to kill them, but those 4 titanite demons were annoying as fuck with how tanky they were and their weird hurtboxes.

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sen's fortress is my favorite zone in the series

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>>387492013
>>387492043
NO

>>387492026
How can you only play 1 and not the others?

Most of the lore is concentrated around 1 and 3 anyway.

>>387492026
I feel you. I also have the issue of being shit at the game, barely scraped through once.

>>387492105
>How can you only play 1 and not the others?
>play 1
>go do something else
Pretty easy. Not sure how you don't grasp it.

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>>387492101

>>387492101
Yosuke should really get a door chain to keep that faggot Yanda out.

>>387491986
Get the fuck out of here you cancer

>>387492150
you didn't like it enough to try the others?

how on earth did this turn into an anime thread?

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>>387491028

>>387492183
I liked it well enough.

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>>387492159
>>387492180
>>387492182
Okay fine. I'm gone.
oh wait

>>387490835
Gwynsen the Nameless King

>>387491489
>The fortress of a thousand doesn't exactly sound grammatically right even in Japanese.

That's because he was hit by a fucking boulder when writing out the name.

>>387492229
I'm gay and I don't like traps.

are there any lewds of yotsuba?

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>>387492394
Yeah, in hell once you kill yourself.

Why do people sperg out over 4chan's former mascot being mistreated?

>>387492428
well damn im going in then

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>>387492363
geez, gay AND bad taste

>>387492363
Sometimes you're born that way.
Other times, it's liking traps.

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>invade someone in Sen's Fortress
>die to a trap

>>387492582
Jesus Christ, you really are mad on the memes.

>>387491731
That's all of DS lore

>>387491189
>>387491230
Also the fact that Gwyn's sons name was banished because he lost the annals, instead of Gwyn son's name being deleted from the annals (because he allied with the dragons)

>>387491581
Prime Gwyn, Manus, Prime Nito were probably stronger.

Also don't really see how Vendrick at any point could withstand the firestorms the Witch of Izalith could make.

>>387490835
a dude that built a fortress

>>387490835
I want someone to build an irl Sen's Fortress so we can send children through it and make a shitty reality tv show

>>387492856
legends of the hidden temple already exists

>>387492960
Yeah but is it lethal?

>>387492990
you ever see any of those kids after the show?

olmec's gotta eat afterall.

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Dark souls lore discussion thread are the best. One of the few thing I actually enjoy reading on /v/

>>387493148
s
s

>>387493148

Who wins out of Chosen undead, bearer of the curse, Ashen one and the hunter?

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>>387491028

>>387493275
If the CU, BotC, AO, and GH all bent their dicks in a hook shape to simultaneously fuck each other in the ass, who would cum first?

>>387493276
Frampt is that you

>>387492046

I really struggled with the titanite demons. Don't think I even think I ever beat one without bow cheesing

>>387492960
>tfw no Legend of Hidden Temple game

>>387492150
Faggot

>>387493275
>mechanics
Hunter's the fastest
>lore
Power in Souls suffers from entropy, and slowly dwindles with each successive kindling of the flame. DaS1 was where more power was concentrated, so CU probably takes it

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>>387492327
new head canon

>>387493276
I can't stop laughing holy shit.

>>387490835
Sony
Entertainment
Network

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Let's see...

>employs snakemen (imperfect dragons - seath)
>snakewomen use lightning attacks (like the blue drakes - seath)
>titanite demons, one in Anor Londo (seath)
>giant slaves - Anor Londo outcasts perhaps?
>imprisons Logan, the world-class sorcerer, instead of killing him (seath)
>finished by the events of Oolacile, renovated later
>Vinheim elite spook fallen there
>divine blessing and lightning spear (a noble attempt?)
>golem is powered by an everlasting dragon bone (seath probably knows how to do that)

Sen is the name of the Nameless King, Gwyn's Firstborn, the Heir of Lightning, stricken from the annals after an act of foolishness, which was allying himself with the ancient dragons. Seath, the sorcerer dragon who possesses all the knowledge beyond the Vinheim college and very much sees Logan as both a threat and an asset, later improved upon its construction to better suit his wills - in fact, he collapsed the tunnel to Anor Londo, populated it with his serpent mutants and giant slaves, and installed the Iron Golem there expressly to stop Undead from coming in and interrupting him and the affairs of the city of the gods. Originally, it was just a simple proving grounds. The demon bats, however, still understood the prophecy of the Chosen Undead, and would escort anyone who managed to defeat the golem to the city. Remember, the golem had the ability to cut blades of the air itself - he would have imperiled the demon bats. Although everyone (gwyndolin, a victim of seath) is practically powerless to stop Seath and whatever he wanted to do, there are still workarounds. The demon bats are in league with the Primordial Serpents. If only Seath had more time... The linking of the fire doesn't matter, what matters is the prerequisite to it, which is stopping seath. Kaathe and Frampt are the same snake who both seek dominion over the wolrd. Their only true obstacle is Seath. Fire and Dark doesn't matter since we know the fires will just spark again

>>387492327
>>387493557
In Japanese the Sen is the first word and fortress is the last word. Same order translation would be (The) 1000's Fortress. Boulder wouldn't change the grammar problem.

lore behind implies that it was the the former chosen one from the future

>>387493275
Objectively the hunter because they killed literal extra-dimensional gods in the form of the old ones. After the hunter is the Ashen one since he killed the combination of all the Lords of Cinder into one being. Followed by the Ashen one is the Chosen undead and Bearer of the curse killed demi-gods and husks of powerful beings.

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>>387491378
>>387491793

>>387493605
>Sen is the name of the Nameless King
i hate this meme

nameless king's name was literally stricken from history. why would they keep the fortress named after him?

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>>387490835
Isn't it obvious?

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>>387490835
This is Sen

>>387492363
Liking traps implies being gay, but it's not equivalent to being gay

>>387493750
Who's they?
Who's there to stop it?
Who's there to rename it?
All the gods are dead or gone. Just hollows and hermits now.
The only NPC that says the word "Sen" is Frampt, and that's where the player character gets the "SEN'S FORTRESS" intro from. Even if it was stricken from history, Frampt still refers to it as that, because Frampt knows. Of course he knows. He was there from the beginning, before Oolacile, which was about when the first iteration of it was finished.

>>387492394
Get the fuck out, never come back.
>>387492460
Even niggers swimming in a sewer have standards

>>387494108
"they" are the pre-ds1 gods running lordran.

obviously it wasn't as simple as gwyn saying "hey, stop using that name." it was memetic spell of sorts that literally removed it from existence. why, after we finally meet the nameless king, does he not have a name? by your logic, papa gwyn's been dead forever, so no one's stopping him from having one.

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>>387494320
The healthbar is "Nameless King" because nobody, no item, or cutscene refers to him as "Sen". You don't meet Frampt in DS3. For every named boss in the game, there is a piece of information in the game that gives that name to you before you meet them. Everything else gets a generic descriptor name.

This is the final secret.

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>>387494581
>no lore about curse-rotted greatwood
>healthbar doesn't say "angry nutsack tree" because this is all the pc can gather about it

>>387490835
My name is Sen, what do you want?

>>387494746
Funny joke but you know I'm telling the truth.
I will entertain you, however. There is a canon soapstone message outside of its entrance that says "Great curse-ridden tree ahead".

>>387495650
i'm glad you fell for the bait. i was starting to think you gave up. i now have 2 words for you.

iudex gundyr.

>>387493605
>if only seath had more time
more time to do what ?

>>387495727
fuck you

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>>387492394
woah

>>387493605
>allying himself with the ancient dragons
DS3 lore get out!

Could be that guy pharros in dark souls 2 or someone releated to him.

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>>387492394

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>>387492394

>>387492394
>public ban
>in 2017
is this real life?

>>387492394
lmao

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>>387492394
I hope he didn't have a 4chan gold pass

>>387492319
This guy knows. Gwynsen/Gwynson/Gwynsun.

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>>387496498

>>387493276
this could pass off as a modern art peice

Snake Men = Sen

Maybe? Snake Mens Fortress

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>>387493276

>>387492394
top fucking kek

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>>387496535
MODS

>>387492394
They're back.

>>387492363
Liking traps makes you gay, but that doesn't have to mean that being gay makes you like traps.

Traps is like futa; it's gay porn for gay men in denial.

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>>387492394
wait, what the!?

>>387492394
>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

We meet again, old friend.

>>387492394
BASED MODS!!!!

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>>387492394
:flip360:

>really want to play dark seouls again
>there's no sales
>it's already in my steam folder somehow
fuck yeah i love my past self sometimes

>Sen's Fort
>previously Chuck's
It all makes sense

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>>387492394
This already made my morning today.

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>>387492394
>mfw public execution

>>387492394
Oh boy, memories coming back.

>>387493275
None of them can die
>>387493549
Everyone overestimated the hunters speed and he would get BTFO by magic and bullshit weapons and armor

>>387497429
Thomas Aquinas was alright, for a papist.

>>387496913
You first bondsman

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>>387492394
Ah, old friend

>>387492394
mods=gods

>>387492363
mutual exclusion

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>>387490835

Nobody, it's mistranslation. One of many mistranslations that Lore fags have used to justify their stupid headcannon for the past half decade.

>>387498148
see >>387491489

>>387498306

Well, I am wong on this, but the game is still full of mistranslations and the translation team just making shit up because it sounds cool to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gIltNd3C_s&t=24s

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>>387498148
>le mistranslation meme
>has no "proper" translation

every time

>>387498467
That's what Japanese->English translators always do for some reason.

>>387492394
put me in the screen cap

>>387497409
subtle reference
i lol'd anon

>>387492394
neat

>>387491487
Underatted

>>387498471

U w0t m8? it's true, the translation team has literally said, that they want creative freedom for this shit. Put on a bunch of obvious mistranslations and you get a confusing mess, that lore fags obsess over to this day, because "IT'S WRITTEN IN ENGLISH FIRST", which is one of the dumbest things that the Souls community buys in to to this day.

>>387498520
>for some reason

Because a lot of shit just sounds stupid when translated literally.

>>387498743

Like how the word "Shaman" or "Hexer" sounds way dumber than fucking "Pyromancer"?

>>387498743
Translating literally is not the same thing as translating while maintaining meaning.

Who is Ash and why does he have a lake?

>>387498807

You can't use shaman or hexer to replace the word pyromancer because all three terms mean completely different things. A shaman is a spirit medium. Hexers cast hexes, i.e. curses. Pyromancers can manipulate and control fire by supernatural means.

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>>387492394

>>387492394
based mods

>>387498717
>IT'S WRITTEN IN ENGLISH FIRST", which is one of the dumbest things that the Souls community buys in to to this day.
Except it's true for the spoken dialogue, at least in DeS and DaS. Not sure about the later games but the first two had no Japanese audio.

There was a Mask of the Mother and Mask of the Child in DS3. May there be another DLC?

i bet they removed Father mask on purpose :^)

>>387499407
No, that's just leftover stuff because DaS3 is built on the codebase of DaS1.
There's a ton of other DaS1 items, descriptions and taunts that are disabled.

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>>387498467
Could the lore video fags stop trying to sound artsy and deep, and instead speak like human beings.

And lol that video "IT'S JUST BASELESS SPECULATION BY THOSE OTHER GUYS" five seconds later "HERE'S MY SPECULATION"

>>387499481
yep, i saw. even the WELL WHAT IS IT. why, miyazaki?

>>387492394
Good thread.

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>>387492394

>>387498467
>he game is still full of mistranslations and the translation team just making shit up
I dunno about the text strings in the entire game, but the script and dialogues in the Souls games have always been originally in English, because Miyazaki is a huge westaboo. So From translates Souls games internally, don't they?

>>387492394
been a while since i've seen this

>>387498978
>>387498520
Translation teams aren't part of the creative process in game design. They are told "translate this" and then given some limited window of time and budget to produce a translation. The level of attention to detail and care put into making sure nuances and other small meanings get carried over is up to the project leaders, not the translators themselves. I doubt anyone responsible for localizing Dark Souls had any real inkling about the importance of single word connotations as they pertain to interpreting game lore nor were they given any instructions nor afforded the time and money to pay close attention to any of that.

>>387492026

Don't worry about it, 2 is not canon.

>>387492046
i like that part, helps shake off any last bits of rust before going to anor londo. all that demon titanite, too.

>launch DS1 PC
>bsod
gay
installing dsfix fixed it, but i miss the ease of the console version although the frame rate was absolute cock there

>>387490835

There is speculation that Sen was the name of Gwyn's son before it was expunged from history.

>>387502229
In case you don't know, backspace will switch back to 30 fps, which is needed for jumps and a couple ladders.

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>>387490835
Id argue that sen is the bameless king. Seeing as how he was a "great warrior" it nakes sense he would guard anor londo. Also in ds3 hes surrounded by snake people not too unlike the one in the castle

>>387502708
Seems like he's the best argument for being Sen.

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>>387492394
I'm suddenly getting the feeling that today is going to be a good day.

>>387492394
well, that's been a while since it happened last.

SnakEmeN