What went wrong? What did this not offer that Sonic Mania did

>>387471901
Good level design, satisfying controls and physics.

The physics in this were fucking garbage

Also
>Episodes

>>387471901
>hurrrrrrrrrrr

>tfw felt no motivation to even finish it
had barely started and had something like 100 lives out of the ass and took a break to play something else and years later I never bothered to go back

It didn't use momentum based physics, it didn't have a single good original idea in it's head and the music was awful.

>>387472112
>>387472278
These

I thought it was p good I have no idea why this game had so many haters

>tfw no episode 3

feels bad man

I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say Episode 1 genuinely has no redeemable qualities. Even Sonic 06 has a few nice music tracks, Ow the Edge has funny cutscenes. Sonic 4's just unpleasant the entire way through. It's aesthetically hideous, it plays even worse than it looks, it gives you 12 acts for 15 bucks, the gameplay is significantly dumbed down to make it palatable for early iPhones. I can't even describe how I felt when I was awarded half a dozen extra lives just by being funneled through automated spring sequences to the tune of something that sounds like fucking keyboard cat.

>>387472465
Casino Street is for sure the most soulless neon-lit urban themed zone in the franchise. The part where it just gives you like 15 lives in Act 2 was pretty dumb.

>>387472278
but Mania literally resuses zones from past games

>>387471901
Watch Cybershell's video on it

>>387472465
>Ow the Edge has funny cutscenes
I think Shadow needs to be commended for how many basic improvements it made over Sonic Heroes, particularly rail grinding and light dashing.

It was insane that '06 regressed both of those improvements.

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I still remember all the shitty hype threads on /v/ when the first trailer was shown, god we were so gullible.

>>387471901

>Episodic

It was dead even before it began. Codeword for "we're not finishing this"

Nothing went wrong, people just assumed it was something it was never meat to actually be, and it got hated for it. This is how I see it.

Christian Whitehead's Sonic CD: Excellent
Episode metal: Very Good
Episode 1: Good
Episode 2: Great

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>>387474072
>people just assumed it was something it was never meat to actually be
Yeah

Good

>>387474072
sega was INVITING people to assume it to be great by calling it 4. If they called it Sonic Smartphone or something nobody would have cared.

Sonic Mania should have been called Sonic 4.

>>387472465
>Sonic 06 has a few nice music tracks
06 has one of the best soundtracks of any Sonic game, what the fuck are you talking about

>>387473438

I remember hype when it was still being billed as "Project Needlemouse". From what else I remember lot of the hype disappeared with the reveal trailer, and there was a hysterical amount of rage when a build of the entire game got leaked.

>>387474621
I remember Episode 2 also completely leaking.

It's still an unfinished game. There's no episode 3.
They actually started making a Sonic 4, a direct sequel to the original Genesis games, and never finished it.

>>387474621
>there was a hysterical amount of rage when a build of the entire game got leaked
Gee, sounds a lot like Mania. In all seriousness though I don't remember 4 leaking, but I do recognize when it was codenamed Needlemouse.

>>387471901
>Adventure Sonic being used to market toward Genesis nostalgia
>Those awful physics (slightly fixed in Ep2)
>3 Acts per Zone

I don't really remember much about the game other than that. I do know I remember Episode 2's stages were much more unfair than Episode 1's

>>387474768
What some might not know is that Sonic 4 was originally going to be called Sonic The Portable and was only gonna be a phone game, until suits at SoA changed the name to Sonic 4 to increase sales.

We talkin' memories?
green eyes

>>387474871
>Adventure Sonic being used to market toward Genesis nostalgia
>>387474961


These type of complaints are why we have Classic Sonic as a separate entity and shoehorned into the 3D games.

>>387474525
Sonic would have never been Sonic 4. It belongs in a completely separate timeline where events similar, if not identical to 1-3K have happened, but CD has not, and it takes place at the same time that CD took place in the prime timeline

>>387472873

It reuses them by remixing them and making them feel new with more ideas and branching paths

>>387474961
because
his eyes
are GREEN
FUCKING GREEN

>>387472873

Not true, it chops them up and glues them back together for a single act, then makes whole new acts for act 2

>>387474961
He does have Green eyes. your point being?

>>387474810

It was this that was leaked

http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_4_Episode_I_(PartnerNET_build)

Notably, it has two levels that got so much backlash that SEGA announced that they would replace them for the console version (they are still in the phone version). One was a level devoted entirely to a minecart that you used the triggers to tilt the level, like the special stages. The other was a "score attack" level where you grind 100,000 points in a tiny pinball table.

>>387473329
>>387472465
>Ow the Edge has funny cutscenes
People give Shadow a lot of shit because the game obviously has a lot of shitty ideas, but it's somehow better than Heroes.

And Heroes is considered one of the good games despite playing like complete ass.

>>387475379
Shadow is superior to Heroes. Shadow also has great music and some of the absolute best 6th-gen Sonic level design period.

If there were no guns, was skinned like a Sonic game, and they got rid of the heroes "running on crisco" physics, It would have been considered by all, hands down, the best non-boost Sonic period.

two words

Homing Attack

>>387471901
>What went wrong?
Well it was made by the sonic team.

>>387475487
>If there were no guns
Honestly, if you gave him Chaos Spears it'd have been fine too. That's even what the final boss was.

Imagine if Shadow had a third "Neutral" meter that functioned as his ammunition for Chaos Spear.

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This game got repetitive way too fast but it's actually kinda fun and the writing is good, surprisingly.

>>387475769
>Shadow runs faster than Sonic
>Shadow jumps higher and travels farther than Tails
>Shadow hits harder than Knuckles

but yeah I loved it

>>387475687
1. I think Heroes and Shadow need HD re-releases.

2. If there is a PC version of the game someday, it would be nice if someone made a mod to basically put Sonic 06 Shadow in ShTH, moveset and all, while refining everything else.

It's sad, unfortunate, and ironic that Shadow's finest hour is in Sonic 06. Great character development, no emo Maria sadness bullshit, great support cast...

He deserved better honestly.

>>387474871
Rewatching a video now HOLY SHIT it looks so fucking terrible. The character models are fucking iPhone trash and the animations are equally shit.

Also every single boss was reused from a previous game

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>>387475106
>revealing how new you are

>>387475769
I'll give you that the character interactions are GOAT. But everything else about the game is shit
I played through the story just for the dialogue and dropped it like a hot potato afterwards

>>387475887
Shadow was quite literally Sega's Lightning.

>>387476027
Yeah there's not much else besides the story and it's broken to hell and back and you either steamroll everything or get your ass thoroughly kicked all the time.

>>387475887
Cream is pretty broken too since Dimps love her.

>>387476082
If that is the case, wouldn't lightning be Square-Enix's Shadow?

>>387475091
Ah the memories...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHyBwUpnDTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkC1Q-Tl3hE