ITT: games that would have been better off without sequels.

>>387464236
VLR is the best game in the series though.

>>387464294
My good buddy.

>>387464294
This.

>>387464294
Everything is 10x more generic looking than 999, just saying. It's visuals are just plain unpleasant.

>>387464294
>>387464518
>>387464723
haha no

>>387464294
It ended in a shitty cliff hanger though which brought us to ZTD which just straight up sucked
> gotta go full 3D with poor animations on par with shit XBLIG games and ugly cell shading graphics
> Only recurring characters still likable are sigma and phi. Junpei is now Coldsteel Edge lord supreme. Akira's fuck ugly and has an obnoxious voice
> generally unlikable cast
> no Seven
> no Snake
> no Lotus
> shitty twist full of plot holes
> ancient alien time traveling 3D printer

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VLR is good, but brought down by the fucking cliffhanger that ended with ZTD.
999 stands alone.

>>387465042
half your complaints are just that it doesn't rehash the exact same cast as the first game

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>>387464236

>>387465042
Seven got mentioned, I donno what more you expected.

Haven't played ZTD yet, but I thought VLR was good. I don't think I enjoyed it as much as 999, but it was still good.

>Dark souls

Should have been more "spiritual sequels" like it was to demons and bloodline is to it

>>387464294
Not really. Its really good but it has worse characters and I felt it came up with too many conveniences to make the twists work (we have a disease that slows perception of time by sqrt(6) but we are in the moon so they just happen to even out and the protagonist is old without knowing it but the moon's lowered gravity just happens to even that out too and he never looks at his reflection even while interacting with puzzles involving glass surfaces or water and nobody ever happens to make mention of him being a 80 year old acting as if he was 20).

>>387465546
STOP NOW, I REPEAT DON'T PLAY ZTD

>>387465583
*bloodborne

>>387465625
At this point I feel like I have to.

>>387465597
>he never looks at his reflection even while interacting with puzzles involving glass surfaces or water and nobody ever happens to make mention of him being a 80 year old acting as if he was 20

I'm still fucking mad at this

>>387465676
Just do it, it's worth it for a good laff

>>387465625
>>387465676
Play it, just dont expect too much.

>>387465443
I fear RDR 2 will be shit

>>387465708
And he somehow never realizes he has wrinkles by touching his face or something.

>>387465676
Just don't pay for it. Play the game like you would watch The Room and it becomes pretty hilarious until you realize you waited years for this shit.

>>387465597
How some characters react to Sigma's antics actually make sense when you realize he's an old man. Phi constantly calls him old, titslady says he reminds her of her dad, etc.

>>387464236
Been thinking about playing this game. I'm I ok emulating it on my phone or will I ruin the experience? I have a ds, I just rather play it on my phone since I'm traveling.

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>>387465597
Still better than the revealing of who Zero was in ZTD

> Zero was with them all along
> Nobody acknowledged him though because they thought he was just some old blind and deaf guy in a wheel chair
> Gets mentioned once in passing as far as I can remember
> nobody questions why he isn't on the fucking board
> nobody questions why there's a tenth person in the nonary game
> Doesn't appear in any cutscenes
> Nobody fucking bothers to wheel him onto the elevator when they escape
> mind hacking

>>387466391
Its fine as long as you play the version with 2 screens and not the port with only one. For VLR it doesnt matter.

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But then we would not have seen Carlos.

>>387466795
Carlos 2 good.

>>387466562
Thats legit one of the lamest twists I have ever seen. Uchi probably thought he was being smart by playing with the concept of "camera view" in games, and I guess the idea is clever, but in the end it just feels like a gigantic asspull, especially coming from the other 2 games in which the masterminds had participated actively.

>>387465708
Multiverses can fix that - just assume Sigma realizes he's an old man in many other timelines, and VLR takes place in one where he never does

>>387466562
>>nobody questions why there's a tenth person in the nonary game
Because it's not the Nonary Game. It's the Decision Game.

>>387466648
>the version with 2 screens
So the ds one? Or is there something I don't know

>>387467073
Well how you imagine a timeline where I am fucking your mom?

Oh wait it's this one, gee

>>387467175
Yeah it has a PC port were one of the screens is gone and also an iOS port that I dont know much about.

>>387467175
There is the PS4/PC port which kinda ruins the twist and has a terrible last puzzle. Avoid at all cost.

>>387466562
Oh and
> "Yo so I'm going to kill six billion people to kill one person to stop eight billion people from dying"
> "Nah just kidding I'm going to kill six billion people to cause some convoluted time fuckery to make sure I'm born and create an alternative time line where the people I kidnapped and forced to murder each other in a bunch of other time lines learn about the power of love and friendship so they can go out in the world and stop eight billion people from dying so I don't have to kill six billion people"
> Don't question it my motives are complex

>>387467302
I think the iOS port just cuts out the puzzle rooms

>>387464236
The Zero Escape series taught me that sometimes it's best to be happy with what you have. VLR is fun and all but neither VLR or ZTD should exist.

>>387465676
Just pretend that Another Time End didn't actually happen and that the story ended with Sigma and Akane.

>>387466562
WE'VE GONE OFF-TOPIC

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>>387467364
But I want to know how Siggy became Venom Snake

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>>387464236
At least better off without the one it got.

>>387467440
YOU WERE BORN A SHITTER

>>387467302
The iOS version is literally just the cutscenes with the puzzle rooms removed IIRC

>>387466562
>>387466952
I'm at peace with this twist, stupid though it is. You know what still pisses me off?
The fact they were actually in the same "ward" is supposed to be this big shocker, but it changes fuck all, except that it allows for Mira to go all *unsheathes knife* on D Team

>>387465708
>nobody ever happens to make mention of him being a 80 year old acting as if he was 20
But they do multiple times. Maybe you should replay the game.

I can totaly understand the complains about his reflection and him not noticing his bionic eye but his strange behavior for his age gets foreshadowed many times.

>>387467464
Thats not Another Time End. ATE is the special "ending" you get when you beat all the puzzles on the highest difficulty or something, and was retconed in ZTD which is one of the things that pissed people off the most.

Is there a timeline where Junpei doesn't suffer?

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UCHIKOSHI

THE MASTER OF FORESHADOWING

>>387467302
>>387467324
Thanks

>>387467464
That's what masturbation does to you.

>>387467334
>I didn't get the plot: the post

Maybe pay more attention.

He needs to kill the terrorist but he doesn't know how, and releasing the virus is a guaranteed way of getting the terrorist, so he does that.

This has NOTHING to do with the game. No one is even aware of the six billion dead while playing the Decision Game.

The Decision Game is just a way to hone their SHIFTing abilities and make them realize that the threat is real and serious thus giving them motivation. You can say it's stupid but it did work and I don't think that forcing 9 people to kill each other in a few timelines is bad when you realize that the alternative is having six billion people die

>>387465708
>senile old fuck
>you must have done a lot of drugs to look like that
>etc.
There's a lot of lines mentioning his age.

>>387467464
It comes up in one ending that leads to the events of VLR and that's it. Aside from they it never happened

>>387467638
>retconed
It was never canon, anon
It was just a little feel-good metafiction :)

>>387467708
>No one is even aware of the six billion dead while playing the Decision Game.
Phi and Sigma. I dont remember if Akane knew.

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>>387467091
UCHIIIIIIIIIII

>>387467708
>releasing the virus is a guaranteed way of getting the terrorist
Use quantum computer and select random person. Kill them. Same guarantee, less deaths.

>>387467721
>Phi's "how long have you been working on your degree?" line
>Alice says he reminds her of his dad
>Luna calls him "doctor"

I'm still impressed with how many little clues were strewn throughout VLR, not just for that, but for a lot of its mysteries

>>387467353
>>387467504
what the fuck.

>>387467464
I was excited to see how his mutilation was going handled. Iexpected an horrorific and hard-to-watch torture scene involving him and his team... instead we got AHHHH Q TEAM I'LL SAVE YOU.

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>>387467874
You think he didn't try that? Of course he did. Zero says that no timeline where humanity survives exists. He is the one who created the timelines where six billion die and the two other billions live.

And he has hopes that a timeline where no one has to die (except the terrorist maybe) is possible.

>>387467708
>releasing the virus is a guaranteed way of getting the terrorist, so he does that.
Nope. Pay more attention next time.
>The Decision Game is just a way to hone their SHIFTing abilities
guess wht vlr is about
>realize that the threat is real and serious
Because Sigma, Phi, and Akane thought it was all just a prank, right?

>>387466073
Never have I agreed more with another human being. Not even sure that's an exaggeration. You can make the argument of better gmaeplay, but the story was legitimately fanfic tier.

>new edgelord and Mary sue OCS are main characters
>Cast from the old game loves them
>they go to everyplace the old cast goes to but there is super secret areas only they can access
>character inconsistencies fromantic the original cast to move plot/help characterize new OCS
Alice cute tho

>>387467334
Even WORSE:"I can mind hack, I read the minds of SHITters to learn about the terrorist. But man, I just can't find out who he is! I'll just go find my parents instead and trap them + some other people underground, eventually in some timeline they'll stop him."

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>>387467976
>save Q-team
>they infect your BFF

fucking ingrates

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>>387468023
>Nope. Pay more attention next time.
You seem salty but you also seem wrong.

>guess what vlr is about
It wasn't near good enough. In ZTD they can SHIFT whenever they want and even choose the timeline. In VLR it's more like "I somehow have memories that I shouldn't have".

>Sigma, Phi and Akane knew it was real
You are retarded anon

For starters, VLR only happens because of ZTD. Ultimately, Zero is the one responsible for ZTD and indirectly responsible for VLR.

>>387464294
fpbp

>>387465583
I think it should've ended with DeS, but then we wouldn't have gotten Bloodborne.
I'm not even trying to be a sonyfag, I just think the From/Japan Studio joint projects are way better than any DaS game

>>387468019
>Zero says that no timeline where humanity survives exists.
>And he has hopes that a timeline where no one has to die (except the terrorist maybe) is possible.
Does not compute. So he either knows it's impossible or he does not know and then even nuking a random city would cause less deaths than a super virus. But why even bother when you live in a multiverse where there is a chance (and therefore a timeline) that the terrorist can slip on some snail and break his neck.

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> snails

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hey

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>Ha, ha! Silly Zero, making us do puzzles with these obviously fake body parts. Say, where's Junpei?

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>>387468374
That's not how timelines work.

First of all, the fact infinite timelines exist does not mean that all outcomes exist. There are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but not any single one between them is 3.

Similarly, it seems that no timeline where the terrorist fails is possible. Zero obviously used his computer to find this up to no success.

Assume he nukes a random city and fails. Then everyone dies. What would he win from this?

Think about it from his perspective. He's a guy that can't SHIFT, and he might be the last hope of all timelines. By using the virus, a wide fan of new possible timelines appear. If he nukes a random city and fails it all ends. He can't really coordinate this with Zeros from other timelines. The quantum computer simulated scenarios in a contained space with 10 people, working with the entire world and 8 billions is something else entirely

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>>387468418
>aliens

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>>387468418
I liked the design of Zero the Second up until his reveal. It was cool having a Zero who talked more in the game (especially with that creepy voice) and his design was cool too (with the plague doctor-looking mask).
>pic related

>>387468312
>>387468312
>You seem salty but you also seem wrong.
Nope, you are wrong.

>can shift 50 years into the past and keep their memories
>nowhere near good enough
lmao.

>For starters, VLR only happens because of ZTD. Ultimately, Zero is the one responsible for ZTD and indirectly responsible for VLR.
What does that have to do with anything? Multiverse means he didn't had to recreate shit. The VLR timeline and the timeline in which he was born would exist no matter what he does.


>>387468730
>coin flip is enough to create a timeline
>something full of variables such as the terrorist's childhood isn't able to cause the timeline to split

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>>387467646
No.

>Game tries to be funny
>It isn't

ZTD was painfully unfunny with its poor attempts at comedy.

>>387469215
Carlos being able to tell Akane was full of shit was kind of funny.

>>387469215
GO AHEAD

JOKE ME

I WON'T CRY

>>387468730
Look, now you start with "constants and variables" shit.
>First of all, the fact infinite timelines exist does not mean that all outcomes exist. There are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but not any single one between them is 3.
Yeah and there are an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2 and the chance to hit one specific number is 0. What does this have to do with the multiverse?
Each day there is a chance you might just die, just like there is a chance you might get tails when throwing a coin. You can't say there is a timeline where you get tails, but no timeline where one of the million things that could kill you each second doesn't happen.

>Similarly, it seems that no timeline where the terrorist fails is possible. Zero obviously used his computer to find this up to no success.
But a super virus does work apparently. He seems to know that. Start from there, use your brain to find alternative solution. What else can kill him? He must have contact with other people or lives near one of the anti-matter reactors.

>He can't really coordinate this with Zeros from other timelines.
He chooses RANDOMLY. He doesn't need to coordinate, the universe will do the rest.

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stop insulting ztd you faggots you're pushing him to the brink of suicide

>>387464935
haha no

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>>387464236

>>387464236
it was fine, you baby.

>>387469393
HOW DARE YOU KILL JUNPEI

>>387466562
>> nobody questions why he isn't on the fucking board
>> nobody questions why there's a tenth person in the nonary game
>> Doesn't appear in any cutscenes
these three things prove you are a retard

>>387466562
he is on the board

>>387468640
Whoever designed that puzzle can fuck themselves with a rake.

>>387470017
At least it isn't the dice puzzle.

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What did she mean by this?

>>387470415
Why didn't they do anal?

I agree, but only because I fucking hate VLR crashing on me and erasing my fucking save file.

>>387470415
Luna is still superior to Diana.

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>>387468640
I can't stand dismemberment. This part made me want to puke.
I played this part early, so I was worried the whole game would make me sick.

>>387470415
She wanted to have a sleep over duh

>>387470792
But it was so fuckin comical because of the quality models, how can you get sick at something so silly?

>>387470575
That place is reserved for her husband.

>>387470575
you can't make baby to send to ww1 germany by doing anal silly anon!

>>387471175
Everyone has at least one thing that sparks irrational emotions, anon, even you.

>>387471525
And that thing is spiders, bot shitty 3D models.

>>387471175
It's just the idea of it. The puzzle room made me uncomfortable, but seeing the head on a shelf was the big NONONO moment.

>>387471507
They can send a cum turd instead and let the German scientists use some other alien artifact to create Delta that way.

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Seriously, DS2 was alright but they changed too much of the original game. Mute Isaac = best isaac.

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>>387471507
Sigma:
>uhhh here you go baby, enjoy life 100 years in the past and also germany
Carlos:
>calmly and coolly sends himself to the exact point in time he intended to, and patiently waits out for his 10-month plan to unfold

Why was the trained 60-some year old doctor such a fucking idiot in this game

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I'm just here to post best boy.

>>387471829
Because all he did was play with his sons toys.

>>387466562
>>387466952
Reminder that Uchi literally rewrote the ending purely because the novelty of the original one was lost on him after a while

That makes me legit fucking mad because if he just left it intact we'd have a much better conclusion

>>387471829
The game only shows the timeline where Sigma makes the most retarded decisions possible.

>>387472015
This. I wouldn't have cared if VLR was a self-contained story like 999, but ZTD was supposed to be the continuation of it. So by changing it, it just screws things up.

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>>387468640
>tfw this was the very first fragment I picked after getting free reign
The first half of ZTD was fucking great.

>>387472354
>got AFM first
>hope it's some fake out
>it's real
Game instantly ruined.

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REvolution is one of the ugliest games I've ever seen

>>387472527
You poor sap

>>387472543
I don't know why people praise this game so much.
the story was mediocre, every time a character was about to die you could see it coming from a mile away, had to scout rush to get a decent score, balance was a mess, orders were OP as fuck, etc...

>>387464294
Agreed.

>best puzzles
>best routes
>flowchart was a godsend and led to great interactive storytelling
>best protagonist
>best ending (yes it ended on a cliffhanger, but goddamn it was an incredibly elaborate ride)

It lacks a bit of the horror atmosphere of 999 but that's not to say it's lacking atmosphere entirely. If anything it purveyed a different feeling, like a silent creepy clinical sort of dread.

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can I post a remake

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>>387472527
>get transporter room as my final "starter" D-team segment, and in fact pretty much as late as I possibly could have
>have a sneaking suspicion that the game is shit before that point but the transporter confirms it

>>387464294
I tried playing it and, while i do get that it's a great game, i just couldn't keep playing. Fuck, the character design is absolutely horrible. I know it wasnt great at 999, but VLR just makes it way, way, worse. Just look at Clover.

Who is the worst boy and why is it Dio?

>>387473437
Even Dio is smarter than Sigma.

>>387473437
Eric is worse.

>>387466562
>> nobody questions why there's a tenth person in the nonary game
But that wasn't a aonary game. That was a decision game. Decision as in "deci" - ten.

That's dumb, yeah.

>>387472527
>>got AFM first
Wait, how is that possible? I'm pretty sure that's the continuation of Phi burning in the incinerator timeline.

>>387470731
>sigma, can I hug you?
vs
>SIGMA FUCKING POUND THAT 18 INCH COCK INTO MY UTERUS JUST LIKE HOW MY HUSBAND USED TO POUND MY FACE
Why was Diana such a slut and Luna wasn't? She was supposed to be a robot clone of her.

>>387473437
Dio at least has goals and charisma.
Eric was some cuck that literally snapped for the inconvenience of the situation at hand

>>387474361
Nope, that's the magic of the fragment system. You can select it right after the decision which team to kill.

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>>387474361
>>387474942
Proof.

>>387473084
wait this got a fucking remake? why?

>>387475806
Timeline split. Yukikodecided to leave the inn.

>>387474495
if you were trapped with sigma for months, you too would crave for the 18 inches