Literally gambling for children

And it's legal!
Reminds me of that Kid Beer WKUK sketch

You mean CS right? It even has the fucking rotating slots for fuck sake.

>>387340218
Children aren't supposed to be playing the game. That's like complaining about slot machines because a kid could walk up and use it.

I never understood the obsession with lootboxes in overwatch. Skins add no content to the game outside of aesthetics. I've never bought one and still have many legendary skins from arcade. Hearthstone on the other hand is legit gambling.

>can open for free
>gambling
>meanwhile TF2 apologist plague /v/

Really makes you think.

>>387340529
It's for ages 13 and up. You're still considered a child until you're 18 or 21. Any kid can walk into gamestop, spend $100 on battle.net/steam prepaid card, and use that money to gamble on crates.

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those crates are shit you can't trade what's in them
how am I supposed to enjoy opening a hundred bucks worth of crates if i can't hope getting something worth at least 30 in it ?

>>387340785
there is no fucking value in the loot boxes though...if youre stupid enough to actually buy them instead of just playing the game then blame yourself no the devs.


They give you the means to buy them for free,youre a lazy fuck who likes to waste money so you buy them with real money and then regret it later so you can complain on /v/..it makes no fucking sense.

>>387340678
If you let your kid do that then it's the parents fault. Any kid can buy a prepaid Visa card and gamble online in real life

>>387341106
You have to be 18 to buy prepaid Visas in stores unless you got an adult accompany you or the store clerk really just doesn't give a fuck.

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>>387340432
>The idea is too good. It's breaking apart the universe.

>th-think of the children
When did /v/ get filled with nancyboys? All lootboxes do is part retards from their money>>387340432

That's Valve lootboxes, since you can actually trade them for real cash money or fake gabebux that act as cash on the Steam store.
At least OW shit is not tradeable

>>387341340
> Fooling kids with jesiwsh schemes is ok they're retarded anyways
Valve hires psychologist and economists to make their lootbox system as enticing as possible.
It's not a matter of being retarded it's a matter of having the mental predisposition to addiction, and Valve lootboxes will get you addicted.

More like Kinder Surprise.

Why don't real casinos exploit the loopholes that these games use to get away with it?

>>387342136
Because they don't have to?

>>387340218
Soon it'll be illegal. In Japan there's already laws restricting how much kids can spend on these type of gambling games.

>>387342136
Casinos are more regulated and they already get enough money by being legalized crime

>>387340218
>Earned for free every few hours and free to open
Valve's system is way worse by a long shot.

>>387342405
>some jap kid emptied his dad's wallet on gacha shit
>probably didn't even get his waifu

The real question is why is gambling illegal? Why is prostitution illegal? They are things you do to yourself.

>>387342543
Shit like that is why "guarantee gacha" system exists now. If you spend enough money, you get to choose what waifu you want.

>>387342609
> why arent we allowing our society to go balls deep into degeneracy lol
Kill yourself

>>387341340
Intentionally targeting adult activities to children because they will get addicted is wrong, Anon. Or are you one of those AnCap types who think it should be legal to sell crystal meth to kindergartners? There's a reason gambling establishments have to be licensed and cannot allow minors into their establishments.

>>387342609
Gambling is illegal because it's used for money laundering.
>give guy a bunch of dirty money
>tell them to go into a casino and lose it all
The huge tax on casinos is literally the casinos bribing the government to look the other way.

>>387342279
>>387342426
I think he's asking why don't they find loopholes to open up gambling establishments in places where gambling is illegal.
The answer is that this does happen all the time and they then often get busted. A few years ago, many "internet cafes" were shut down in Florida because you gambled with prepaid phone minute cards, but ended up not being a good enough loophole.

>>387340218
haha, can't wait till they get sued for it

>>387342726
>black markets don't exist

>>387342726
Keeping prostitution in the black market enables more degeneracy in society than allowing it to be legal. Standards of care and workplace safety being pretty high on that list. Many prostitutes are essentially debt slaves to their drug dealers who pimp them out, an arrangement that is pretty hard for them to escape since they can't actually control their own income. Legalizing it would also allow access to better provide care to prevent the spread of sexual diseases and drug addictions.

>>387340218
I just want deep web diver Sombra. I NEED THIS.

>>387340218
>Provides nothing that can be sold for real value
>Provides currency that can be used to buy what you really want
>Have an infinite amount of time to get an infinite number of lootboxes to get any skin that you want
The only people who buy lootboxes in Overwatch are impatient idiots who barely play the game, yet want to still feel like they have the status that comes with it.

Valve lootboxes, where you can get a 1 in 10,000 item that is worth hundreds to thousands of dollars?
That's literally gambling.
That said, I made $200 off an Australium rocket launcher from $3 of MvM, so I don't care much.

>>387340785
This. Not to applaud Valve's Jewish practices but not being able to sell or trade shit off really takes the steam (hurr) out of crates

How can people be addicted to gamblinf if they never win anything

>>387342997
Except sex trafficking in all places in the world where prostitution is legal is higher than in places where it's not, so you're wrong.

>>387343053
This. I mean, I barely play(ed) overwatch, and I have several thousand coins left over after buying everything I want. It's really an incredibly forgiving system, unless you want one of every single recolor.

>>387342997
The black market argument can be used to say that everything should be legal though so obviously it's not valid.

>>387342609
It shouldn't be, only braindead commies disagree.

>>387343087
>i'm bound to win now!
Sunken cost/gambler's dilemma fallacy

>>387343081
not to mention that valves upcoming dota card game will allow you to trade cards between other players through steam community market. a digital trading card game that lets you actually trade cards with others, holy fuck. makes hearthstone and magic seem like scams.

Unfair to criticize Overwatch since it's the only game with a reasonably fair system

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>>387340218

If a game has a lootbox, I simply don't play it. Haven't ever played Overwatch and haven't played TF2 in years along with all of those other games.

Also, gambling is regulated because of >>387342732. I don't like gambling, but I also don't like drinking and I have no desire to ban it. The difference is that gambling leaves such a non-existent footprint for all sorts of other criminal activity by its very nature.

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>>387340218
>tfw imagining the faces of game devs when the US government eventually regulates this
surprised it hasn't happened already desu

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>>387340218
oi vey there is no wrong doing here goyim, the game is rated teen and no one is forcing you to give me your mommies credit card

>>387343219
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, I don't even like Dota or card game video games and I think that's pretty hype for the people that do

>>387343293
They'll go from making a large fortune to a small fortune.

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>>387343219
>trading cards
this sounds almost magical to my ear (no word play)

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>>387342609
>The real question is why is gambling illegal?
>why are drugs illegal?
>why is shooting yourself in the head illegal?

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>>387340218
literally gambling for children

Hey. I watch Jim Fucking Sterlingson as well. :D

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>>387340218
You can buy a game
Or the box

>>387340218
I seriously believe that every mechanics like that (includnig Card Packs in CCG) should be lawfully enforfced to be called gambling because this is literally what it is.
Also any game with is should be PEGI18 or Mature Only.
It would kill this retarded trend right away.

>>387343658

They all have reasonable explanations though.

Gambling is regulated because it's a virtually untraceable way to launder money.

Recreational drugs are regulated in the name of public health interests, for the same reason why the FDA has certain minimal thresholds for what pharmaceuticals are safe to consume. An individual's lack of responsibility can degrade the safety of their community, just like with vaccination. The issue here is that there are a lot of racist and conspiratorial reasons why certain drugs are banned, but that's a much larger and insidious issue.

Suicide is regulated because it's considered a sign of mental health that's become so degraded that one can't be legally responsible for one's own actions at that point. This is the one that I have the strongest objection to, but there's definitely a reason other than "lol bad." It's the same reason why small children normally aren't allowed to vote and the mentally disabled normally aren't allowed to drive.

>>387343787
at least it costs only 25 cents.
how much does a overwatch lootbox cost now?

>>387344032
>gambling is regulated because money laundering
Nigger money laundering is a fact a life for rich Americans. Out government could barely give less of a fuck about money laundering.

>>387343178
Correlation doesn't equal causation you colossal retard. How fucking stupid are you? Surely it has nothing to do with the extreme poverty and corruption in those countries right?
>>387343195
Because the argument is sound.

>>387344032
Regulating drugs makes sense but banning them is literally the cause of all overdose deaths.

>>387344091
The cost doesn't matter, it works on literally the same principle.
Don't take this as me defending the OW lootbox system, I hate it as much as the next guy but for different reasons.

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why would anyone buy lootboxes anyway? ffs i have every skin i like and more within a 100 hours of playing

>>387344813
>extreme poverty in holland

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>>387340218
What's your discord? I want to call you up and go "DUUUUUUUUH HUUUUURR DUUUUUH" until you hang up.

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It's ok when Valve does it

Black Ops 3 was especially bad about this. Treyarch says its going to be cosmetics only and then in comes rabbi activision to add in weapons. They're still adding weapons so people buy that shit, 2 days ago in fact and the game came out November 2015!
Plus there's no way to sell what you get, the drop rates for weapons are ludicrously low, and there's no duplicate protection.

>>387343227
that fucking nhs walking stick on the far left dude.
my fucking sides..

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>>387341340

>>387344847
Not to mention gang violence, potential revenue not being tapped into (captialism always prevails), drug companies pushing drugs, fear mongering/spread of misinformation about certain drugs and users, etc etc.

There's a lot of issues that pop up when you decide to outright ban a substance. We saw it with alcohol and by god, marijuana has been shown to be less harmful than drinking does and yet it's held to be as dangerous as crack by idiots like Jeff sessions.

We were even told by the Nixon administration 40 years later that the war on drugs was a deliberate plot to target minority groups and liberals.

>>387345591
>We were even told by the Nixon administration 40 years later that the war on drugs was a deliberate plot to target minority groups and liberals.
That's why they're doing it again.

>>387340529
Um, there's a literal kid arguing with some angsty college teen in at least 1 out of every 4 games.
In fact, I'd say this game is best suited for people around 10-18

>>387345591
>drugs are only bad because they are illegal
>i've literally never heard of alcoholism

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>>387345324
Everything's ok when Lord GabeN does it.
It means it's for the greater good.

>>387345949
>bad person does drugs
>it's the drug's fault
Literally dindu mentality.

>>387344587

There's a reason for the stereotype of organized crime and off-the-grid Indians monopolizing American casinos. I know that people like you prefer to stick your heads into the sand and act as if money laundering is equally easy everywhere and anywhere, but there are definitely specific industries where it's far easier and more practical to move that amount of cash. You can't fence millions a day at a laundry service.

The game is rated for Teens and up and you need a credit card to use real money. So no.

>>387345907
We were also literally told that THEY'RE TURNING THE FRICKIN FROGS GAY

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>>387340218
WTF Literally gambling for children!!!
Please ban, think of children
Gob blesssddd

>>387345591
>less harmful than drinking
Well we tried banning alcohol idiot.

People weren't huge fans

It's OK when valve does it, right?
>have to actually spend money to buy a key to the box
>Overwatch boxes are free to open

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You should be against it. Not because "the kids omg" but because of what it does to the industry. The laziest cheapest content gets pushed on you for the most profit. Just take a look at overwatch. A year and how many new maps/gamemodes/characters have there been compared to the endless skins, sprays, etc.

>>387346520
Unironically agree. Never ending card expansions that force you to gamble for even footing are cancer and should have been stopped decades ago.

>>387340218
its not gambling, gambling implies that you can gain something of monetary value, in overwatch you do no such thing, CS:GO on the otherhand is legitimate gambling.

>>387347175
this is why I say microtransactions for cosmetics are a bad thing
It makes the devs put more time into more skins and shit instead of the maps
Just look at PUBG, an update 3 months in the making just for crates and a few bug fixes

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>>387343787
>those gumball machines with capsoles that have dollar bills in them

>>387344091
>>387349374

You don't have to pay for loot boxes. You can get one daily if you rank up every day. You can also get 3 additional ones every week. I've gotten all my gold skins without paying.

>>387341201
I used to buy prepaid visas all the time so my parents wouldn't know how much i spend on games, and ive never heard that

>>387341954
I remember hearing somewhere that the sound effects they use in lootboxes are designed to emulate slot machines and shit

>>387340529
But kids can't just walk into a casino and start gambling, they have security for that. Obviously that kind of thing can't be enforced in an online videogame, so why make it so accessible to kids in the first place?

>>387340218
at least they don't charge real money for keys

>>387343658
suicide isnt illegal tho

>>387349879
>reading comprehension
I said nothing about paying
making the skins distracts the devs from making actual content

>>387350481

Depends where you are.

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>>387343787
Oh God
I think you just identified the root of my gambling addiction

>>387350630

The people who work on art assets aren't usually the same people who work on development, and I'm pretty sure Blizzard-Activision can afford to hire as many of either as they need.

>>387342802
what you mean like pachinko and how you win useless balls but you can trade it for medals that you sell to a "pawn shop" for large sum of money?

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>>387350630
>making the skins distracts the devs from making actual content
You don't know much about game development do you?
A team that works on cosmetics isn't going to be the same team that works on balance and map making, however that team would be responsible for making the maps pretty
even then, most skins are outsourced. so quit this fucking "omg quit making skins and fix your game" meme

>>387350630
two different work groups anon

play more, and you get to spend less real money during events, or potentially even nothing at all, although you have to be a total fucking faggot to achieve that.

>>387344091
ranges from $1.00 to $0.80, so basically still a quarter per cosmetic

>>387347175
>>387349374
you do realize its either loot boxes, or season pass with most of the game being placed in DLC right

you cant have giant budget games nowadays and just sell them for a flat $60 and call it a day, they wont make enough money. people who buy loot boxes pretty much subsidizes the cost for making other content free for all players when it comes to overwatch like maps and characters. They very easily could've made characters DLC unlocks $15 each with a map or something like that for maximum milking

>>387350039
I guess it depends where you live and buy but most stores that sell prepaid Visas here in Florida require you to be 18 years of age or be accompanied by a parent.

>>387350656
And what are they going to do?
Sue my corpse?

>>387343787
how is that any different from buying trading cards though? the cost per unit is the same, and you don't know what you're going to get in the package. and at the end of the day you're giving money for an item, isn't that just a regular transaction?

You don't know gambling until you played MapleStory. This is just a small taste of video game gambling

>>387352785
Or any gacha game with a VIP system really.

>>387346867
>>387345324
The gaben meme is tiresome but i think even normies are starting to get fed up with it now. I don't know how much longer the industry can keep pushing lootboxes but I feel like we're approaching the breaking point.

>>387352015
so what you're saying is that it's ok for me to pirate games because some redditor is paying for it in lootboxes? :^)

>>387340591
>game literally is so painful to play
>no real goal except cosmetics you have to grind for that kids eat up
The game is 100% ass

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>>387340218
Wait, I can win children by opening loot boxes?

I have so much respect for Blizzard because of Overwatch. Acitivsion wanted so much to force season passes and DLC, but Blizzard fought against it, so the only microtransactions are for cosmetics that you can earn just by playing the game. It's a shining example of an online game done right that other games have been called to follow suit.

God bless Blizzard, the eternal saviour of videogames.

>>387353552
Nice.

>>387352380

Suits are a civil matter, you simpleton.

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>>387340218
I just play the game. I don't even notice the boxes.
All I care about is the voicelines and those are only 25-75 cis while skins are 250-3000.

>>387351186
The argument still stands.
That's money that could be used to fix the game.

>>387353139
buying games is like voting, each game you buy you are contributing to that game's longevity

you can scarifice that power to pirate if you dont feel like thats a meaningful power. i mean i pirate most of my games, hell i only pay when im forced to with multiplayer games, but im also pretty much a trash eater who buys most call of duty games so i will have a good time no matter what direction the industry takes

>>387354536
>That's money that could be used to fix the game.
That's an incredibly naive standpoint you know

>>387354536
maybe the money from selling skins contribute to the efforts going into the fixing the game, you can't just separate the entire dev team like its actually that clean cut

>>387353986
So they will put my corpse in jail? Fine him? Make him do community services?

>>387341340
I dont really care about the abuse of the mentality weak and children. I care about the fact that devs put 1000% effort on the lootboxes because they generate more profit while the game itself sucks more and more.
Microtransactions are killing games because devs are putting less effort.

>>387353665
so like valve

>>387347297
Except you can buy single cards easily and avoid any "gambling" at all. Guess what you can't do in JEWverwatch?

when is /v/ going to open a dictionary?

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>>387342729
>>387341954
Next thing you know, you'll be lobbying for Pokemon cards to be 18+.

Gambling for children was what I used to do on thursday nights until the cops started sniffing around too much.

>>387342997
The 'black market' as you refer to it exists because laws are not enforced enough.
pimps and prostitutes and of course the deprave scum that use them should all be executed, your black market ceases to exist then.

>>387342726
OK. Can someone explain to me why fags are putting a space before their greentext? Is it just one dude trying to be unique?

>>387355418
Cards only have value set by perceived scarcity. Magic, Pokemon, whatever other shit game conceived under this gambling model should have packs of 50 cards, all preset, with no value greater than a high quality pack of playing cards. The business model is predicated on the notion that idiots will pay too much for decades as they rehash the same statistics with new colors for decades.

It is using an understanding of psychology to undermine the consumer awareness. This is what consumer protection agencies were made to defend us against and the companies have pulled ahead into a frontier the agencies have yet to catch up to. Or won't because they've been fucking bought.

>>387340218

I'm waiting for the day when they fuck up as hard as the Japs did with gacha.

>>387355820
Objective faggot that you are, you forget that it's fun opening a pack of trading cards. I'd never have deprived 10 year old me of that shit.

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>>387356123
>I'd never deprive kids the joy of playing slots where the payout is being able to actually play a game with their friends.
Jesus Christ how sad.

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>gambling for children
It's okay when nintendoes it

>>387356650
No. When I realized what that shit was, I yanked it off my son's 3DS fast as fuck.