3&K > Mania > 2 > 1 So we are all in agreement?

mania is just sonic generations but in 2D with some extra stages sprinkled in. it should be dead last for lack of creativity

Mania takes the best levels from 3&K, how is it not the best based on that alone? Take the fucking goggles off

I enjoyed mania more than 3&K.

>>387326395
>Mania takes the best levels from 3&K
>No Angel Island
>No Ice Cap
>No Sky Sanctuary
>No Death Egg

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>isn't widescreen with silky smooth animation
>turds like Carnival Night and Sandopolis exist
>can't even unlock Puyo Puyo/Mean Bean Machine
>can't even play as Knuckles & Knuckles
Sorry bud, Mania's better. It took 13 years but 3&K finally got dethroned. It was a good run.

>>387326097
Haven't played mania yet but 2 is better than 3

>>387326671
kek meant 23

>>387326670
The zones they chose are better than all of those combined

>>387326097
Where CD fits?

>>387326365
first post best post

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>>387326793
>green hill for the 85th fucking time
>oil ocean
>better than those

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>>387326365
>Lack of creativity
Sounds like the words of a man who hasn't actually played the game. A lot of the act 2's are some of the most creative acts in Sonic, and rank pretty well against platformers in general. The bosses are easily the most creative in the franchise.

The criticisms you're looking for are "Iizuka's meddling" and "lack of budget for artists". Yes, it's frustrating that the game re-uses assets, and that easily puts it below S3K (and maybe CD) in my book, but to say the game isn't creative just smacks of rehashing /v/'s opinions and pretending they're you're own. Which is funny, because rehashing is what you're supposedly complaining about. Really fires the ol neurons

No? Mania is better in literally every way.

>>387326097
Put 2 in the front and we have a deal

>>387326097
If Mania had a couple more entirely new stages and a better final boss it would top 3&K in my book. The remixed stages and Act 2s are really good, but I don't think it's enough to knock 3&K off.

>>387326671
>Knuckles & Knuckles
Double Knuckles co-op? Is that a thing?

>>387327005
Greenhill is a fucking staple to the franchise. That's a 2d Mario game without a mushroom kingdom level

>>387327630
it's an unlockable

>>387326097
Mania is objectively better than 3K

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>>387327746
hwat
So is it in that No Save thing people have been talking about or is it just a standard option?

>>387327801
In fact that technically makes it the best Sonic the Hedgehog game ever made. Must be a little embarrassing for Sega.

>>387327673
It wasn't being spammed to death in the mainline series before Generations. It was in a bunch of sidegames and as a really cool bonus in Adventure 2, but now suddenly Sega feels the need to cram it in as the first level in everything. Give me something fucking new for once, or at least throw me Angel Island or Emerald Hill instead.

Why does everybody hate the first game? It was my favorite as a kid.

>>387327589
This. It comes VERY close to beating out 3, but not quite.

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Never played a sonic game in my life. What makes a sonic game good? What makes mania as good as everybody says it is? It just looks like standard platforming. What is the gameplay of sonic all about?

>>387327909
yeah they must be soo embarrassed and ashamed of making profit off of sonic mania

>>387327673
It only became a staple in recent years. Back in the day they'd have brand new grass levels (or they'd call the grass level "Green Hill" but it'd be way different - see Sonic 2 8-bit) or they would start with a different style of level altogether, like a city or a forest. Every now and then there would be a throwback - like SA2's unlockable Green Hill, or Advance 3's Sunset Hill - but it didn't become a truly reoccurring thing until the last 6 or 7 years where they literally can't stop using it.

>>387326097
Agreed

>>387326097
Mania is just slightly above 3&K for me, just because of Puyo Puyo, but otherwise, yes.

>>387327976
>>387328049
Well with how well mania seems to be doing you can probably expect a new 2d sonic with newer or underused levels.

>>387326097
>control is smoother
>fewer "oh you're starting to gain momentum? Here's a wall" moments
>Sonic has an ability and it lets you quickly change momentum
>the new levels are better
>New obstacle gimmicks + the old ones

I played S3&K to prep for this and this is way better

>>387326671
Will we finally get a widescreen Taxman 3&K remake now that Mania is out?

>>387327908
I think it's no save

>>387328023
Just play the games dude

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Same here OP, and for CD

3&K > Mania > 2 > CD > 1

The extremely shitty final boss and stage ruined any chance for Mania to be considered better than 3K

>>387326097
Sonic 3 & Knuckles was my favorite before Mania, I promise if you go back you will find that Sonic Mania is a better game. Sonic 1 & 2 have aged very poorly and aren't very good. Sonic CD still holds up

>>387328000
>>387327589
I do not understand the logic behind this, what could possibly 3&K do to beat Mania. Please elaborate

>>387328023
Going fast, how do you not know about this????

>>387328183
Don't they have to license the game's music, or something? Surprisingly not because of Michael Jackson

>>387326670
>No Angel Island

Angel island is the worst 1st level in the genesis sonic games. Has no flow, is ugly as a sin. Mushroom hill was so much fucking better.

>>387328183
Blue Sphere being so heavily featured in Mania implies all hope is lost

>>387328597
And 1 and 2's special stages were in Sonic 4, and ports of those games still came out

>>387326097

the only people who don't agree that sonic mania trumps the rest of the classic games are contrarians and nostalgiafags

Mania>CD>3&K>2>1

mania >>>>>> 3 > 1 > 2 > & knuckles > cd

>>387326670
Angel Island was just a new power-up showcase without anything that interesting.
Press Garden did the snow level better than Ice Cap. Fight me.
Sky Sanctuary and Death Egg are kinda specific to 3K's plot.

>>387326097
The new zones were gold, and even the ones grabbed from earlier titles were done better than the originals.
My childhood was perfectly aligned with the Sonic series, but even with that amount of nostalgia I think Mania is in general a step above the others.
Each act feels unique, the pacing is fantastic, the bosses have interesting gimmicks that make them memorable, and there are legitimately challenging segments.
All of that on top of fantastic BGM and art.
They even found a way to make special stages not feel like you were wasting your time.
It really is something that can only be accomplished after spending so much time contemplating what made the originals good and distilling it as the team did.

I really didn't expect to enjoy it as much as I have.
I just hope they do well enough to fund a second project with entirely fresh content.

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>>387326097
Do people have nostalgia glasses for 3&K or something? It's a great game, but it has its faults.

Meanwhile Mania is consistently better. The drop dash adds a lot to Sonic's movement, and honestly the only problem I have with it are some technical issues.

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2>Mania>3>1>>>>trash>CD

>>387329207
lol dont kid yourself the drop dash is useless. you dont need it to beat the game

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>lost bonus
>cant do the same again

I get nervous with dat shit.

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>>387326365
>Comparing Generations janky 2 physics with an OP spindash that can canonize you half way across the map to Mania

How can you shitpost this hard and why would you?

>>387329323
You also don't need the spindash to beat the game

So I'm guessing there is a final final boss in Mania you have to be Sonic for or can you fight it with the others?

>>387329323
you don't need tails' flight to beat the game

guess it's useless

>>387329323
You don't need it but it's very useful. Any time you need to spin dash, you no longer have to completely stop, crouch, and charge. You could be speeding one way and drop dash for an instant turn around. It's super useful on running bosses if you need to accelerate quickly. Just an all around great tool.

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>>387329438
>I haven't played lava reef yet

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>>387329465
I haven't tried with Knuckles, but Tails doesn't fight the final final boss like Sonic does

>>387329240
>2 better than Mania
No way fag

>>387329514
well yeah, tails is useless

>>387329323
Still better than the peel out

>>387329582
Thats rather disappointing, like I get that the others can find the rings easier but you still gotta actually beat those special stages ya know?

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>Wall bumpers from Chrome Gadget
>Lots of fans and fan badniks, like the Chrome Gadget fans
>wiring floors and gratings from Chrome Gadget
>Areas with a blue city BG and a cloudy sky w/ moon shining through, just like Chrome Gadget
>Some walls are borrowed from Final Fever/Sonic Crackers
>Flying enemies similar to those seen in Chaotix, the final form of Sonic Crackers
>Big ass robot in the background
Titanic Monarch is the result of the Mania team having to merge what they had of Chrome Gadget and Final Fever to meet the release deadlines. We were supposed to get at least one more zone in this game

not that i'm complaining, I loved Titanic Monarch, I'm just saying

3&K's biggest quality over Mania is that it does storytelling a lot better. The Lava Reef 2 > Hidden Palace > Sky Sanctuary > Death Egg is very well done while Mania kind of ends abruptly and is severely disconnected toward the second half.
But Mania looks, sounds, plays better and is much more consistent in quality overall. It really is no contest.

>>387331003
>We will never ever see Azure Lake as a full stage

>>387328386
Actually have entirely new stages? And more of them? Mania remixes its callbacks well enough that it's still very fresh, but I would still prefer 100% new stages. I also prefer S3&K deciding to give you 14 Chaos Emeralds to collect to compensate for how many stages (aka chances) there are, rather than Mania's method of making the special stages so fucking hard to find.

Doomsday Zone is also a top notch finale.

>>387331383
Mania 2 my friend, Mania 2

With any luck Mania 2 will keep the format (12 zones, Sonic-Tails-Knuckles) but will balance the ratios better (6 new 6 old? 8 new 4 old?) and take the old ones from more obscure source material. People keep clamoring for 100% new but I for one would love to see Endless Mine, Botanic Base or Sleeping Egg in a potential Mania sequel.

>>387326097
You missed one

3K > Mania > 2 > 1 > CD

>>387328023
You can emulate them without any effort. If you wanted to know, why wouldn't you play a level or two?
Do you even like video games?

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Mania > CD > 3&K > 1 > 2