Tekken 7 sold more units in two months than Street Fighter 5

>>387310173
The market is doing fine. Genres will always fluctuate. This shows fighters have life but people tire for Street Fighter for now.

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>>387310427
yes, if SFVI would be like SFV then SF is better dead, in that way arcsys games, SNK and more have more atention.

I can't really complain. SF5 was an abortion and rightfully deserved to get shitcanned. Tekken 7 improved on 6 in every way.

It's a shame since SF2 remains the greatest fighting game of all time, in my opinion but Tekken has surpassed the Street Fighter series.

>>387311128
>in that way arcsys games, SNK and more have more attention.

That didn't work when SF was dead before. Your franchise has to have it's own merits and attract people beyond obnoxious weebs to garner it's own following. ArcSys games thrive on SF being successful.

>>387310173
Tekken 7 is really really fucking good.

Content and care is given to it consistently, and the playerbase is pretty big.

>>387310173
>fighting games in general

The only two relevant fighting games are Melee and Smash 4.

>>387311474
1/10

>>387311325

the real shame of SFV is that it is neither deep nor easily accessible

its certainly easier to play than previous SF games, but its still by no means easy for the average pleb. an unranked or bronze is gonna get absolutely btfo by a silver with consistent anti airs and a bit of patience and any grasp of spacing or other absolutely fundamental FG skills

its easier to do the limited moves and combos you have available, but its just as hard to not get fucking rekt by a better player who now doesnt have to worry about 1 frame links or complicated FADC combos and meter management

the real shame with SFV is that all they succeeded at was making a game where comebacks and blow ups happen more frequently to excite twitch viewers, and in fairness with that shit and the personalities involved at the big tournies, it is great to watch as an esport. but its a shit FG

>>387310173
>how do you feel about the state of
>SFV
Fucking capcom please stop dropping the ball and listen to the community, the only reason why its still alive is brand recognition.
Jumped ship from that game mostly been playing GG since

>Tekken
If its a good fighting game and people like it then that's a good thing! I personally only played it at a friend's place so never really got too deep into it, and Tekken wasn't my goto but I miss Baek...

>fighting games in general
Good to see that the majority of fighting games at the moment are rather noteworthy in their current iteration. The only outliars I can think are SFV and I2

>>387311690
Downroad Comprete

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>>387310173
With Tekken 7 & Street Fighter IV on PS4, i am for the first time in 2+ years actually using my PS4 for online multiplayer. It was all aingle player experinces and a month left dissapointed with lackluster V. I was basically just playing on my PS3 and either playing TTT2 pr occasionaly Tekken 6. I still have SFV tucked away just in case Makoto or Sakura burts on to the scene though, but i have considered just selling SFV multiple times.

And so did ARMS
and so did POKKEN

and POKKEN WILL AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER LMAOOO


Super dead fighter 5

>>387310173
Street Fighter doesn't have appeal at all while Tekken is an established brand with appealing graphics and characters. Nobody wants to play as some 80`s comic characters so it doesn't surprise me that Tekken has better sales.

just look at any street fighter game it's just pseudo anime americanized graphics that don't look good.

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>>387312065
>nintendo ""fighters"" are the same than quality fighting games

keep dricking the kool aid capcbro

excellent thread

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Sooo Did everyone forget about Injustice 2?

>>387312326
yes, like all NRS the games are only played by casuals who only play fighting games in single player (lol), NRS are wasting a golden opportunity with MKX and injustice 2, if only was a good game, with a good gameplay for the FGC........

>>387312326
weebs hate the west
IJ2 is active and the tournament scene is pretty strong

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>>387312083
Huge Tekken faggot since 1997 here, i feel you are being unfair there. Sometimes i want do do exactly just that. SF's old 80's feel from especially the Zero/Alpha series is great. The art direction used to be goat tier.

>>387310173
Anyone who's been exposed to more technical, more dynamic fighting games will quickly pass on tekken. Other top fighters, namely Street Fighter, KoF and MK have advanced impressively in their latest installments; but the relic that is tekken just can't seem to evolve, furthermore many combos can be done simply by hitting 1-button, and the nearly "instant-kill" rage art moves are just laughably broken. Instead of a supplying a proper fighting engine, matches in T7 seem to rely heavily on "who can get their rage move off first". So many elements of the gameplay don't even require any sort of skill. In my book, slow motion over and over again also gets old very quickly. And in the end, it's more of a novelty or gimmick rather than an actual, thought-out fighting game mechanic. But hey, the casual crowd will be pleased!

If you want something a little more "button-masher-friendly," tekken might be your cup of tea.... Key word, might.

>>387311325
>Lacks any complexity or depth
>Extremely homogenized cast
>Extremly button masher friendly
>Heavy amount of slow down on the PS4 version
>THIRTEEN yes count them 13 frames on input lag
>No cross platform play
>No rollback netcode
>Complete rehash of the previous games
>Retarded comeback mechanics rewarding the losing player with an almost instant kill free super
>Worst cast out of any tekken game
>"Newcomers" are just reskinned old characters
>Dumbed down mechanics (tekken was already a very dumbed down game) such as 1 button throw techs
>Denuvo
>Literal 1 button infinites

>improved on 6 in every way.

>>387312083
SFV has sold more than tekken 7 though and tekken is already dying

SF4 also sold 8 million

>>387310173
Its still the least selling Tekken game ever and considering how hard everybody shat on SFV while fellating Tekken7 the difference in sales is pretty pitiful.

Justified though, because Tekken7 is unfinished and does more things wrong than SFV.

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>>387312852
I always like the way pasta anon had to edit this to include "But hey, the casual crowd will be pleased!" Once he realised EVERYONE was going to buy Tekken 7 regardless and he knew he was going to be BTFO.

>>387312139
Nintendo fighters best the dogshit out of grandpa fighter LMAO

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>>387313063
Really? Ever? Id genuinly like to read a source that shows all the lifetime sales of each entry.

>>387313094
"But hey, the casual crowd will be pleased!" was part of the original pasta newfag

Also tekken 7 sold less than SFV, LESS than SFV and SFV sold like shit.

>>387313219
>newfag

No it fucking wasn't newfag. Lurk moar.

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>>387313219
You are either him trying not to be BTFO or a fucking newfag. Wither way you are still BTFO LMAO

>>387313261
Yes, it was, newfag

>>387313380
See >>387313378

Kek. Newfag. He realised he was in the fuckingg wrong and no one cared, so he edited his words to try and eat less shit on release.

Its a pretty insincere article. In the same amount of time SFV sold 1.44 million times.
Tekken sold 1.66, its a very small difference, especially considering that T7 came out on more systems.

Now its true that SFV hasnt moved many copies in a year, but we do not know how much Tekken will sell from now on.
We're in the age of frontloaded sales with very few slowburners. It remains to be seen if Tekken can prove itself to stay relevant over the next years.

>>387313450
See >>387313219

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>>387313484
Sorry are you still being wrong and a new fag about what you said where it had ALWAY been part of the pasta???

https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/quickly%20pass%20on%20tekken/page/11/

Fucking WRONG AND a newfag. Btfo.

>>387313581
See >>387313219

Newfag

>>387313621
So you are just parading how wrong you were for the whole board to see? Are you retarded?

>>387313648
Newfag tekkuck desperately trying to damage control

>>387313161
Its hard for me to find it now, but Harada himself said that the franchise sold 42.5million times before T7.

Now according to wikipedia entries
Tekken 2 5.7mil
Tekken 3 8.3mil
Tekken 4 2mil
Tekken5 6mil
Tekken6 3.5mil

Those numbers dont fully add up, dont know how much T1 sold and it might be counting TTT games.

>>387313704
But your statement about the pasta was incorrect. It means you were not even here LAST YEAR. How pathetic. Might screencap this.

>>387313919
See >>387313219 newfag

>>387313964
Sorry what exactly is your point here? The post is correct, you were wrong.

SFV will only be saved if S3 turns out to be the rumored SSFV soft relaunch. And they'll have to do some tweaks to the battle system too, it can't just be a "complete DLC package" or whatever. Personally hoping for multiple supers/vtriggers.

Something I never got was why the fanbases of the different fighting game franchises fucking hate each other. Like, fighting games are a niche market, but arcsys and tekken fans shit on street fighter and vice versa when the popularity of one fighting game usually bleeds into others.

With other genres I'd understand it, because different games in those genres actually compete against each other, but even in these genres you dont see the jingoism you see in among different fighting games.

>>387314140
SFV needs no saving.

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>>387314117
For comparison

>>387314117
Anon it took almost 2 years for sfv to sell 1.7 mil. Tekken 7 almost sold 1.7 in two months and unlike sfv T7 doesnt have a fuck load of bad PR to deter sales. T7 will have sold 2+ mil by the end of this year.

>>387314225
SFV sold over 1.4 in 2 month, T7 is also bleeding players faster than SFV did and has no cross play to keep it alive

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>>387314204
Not that surprising. SFIV was super fun on release and everyone was extremely excited for it. Not to mention there was very few fighting games from capcom for awhile since it came out.

SFV pre-release had that massive PR disaster of daigo calling it bad, that caused the biggest fucking chain reaction ever

>>387314225
what makes you think that Tekken actually has solid sales?
its 100% speculation.
Tekkens amazing PR only put it ahead a hundred thousand players, and those could all be on the xbox one as they are starved for fighters.

>>387310173
Whoever was responsible for delaying T7 release for 2 years is marketing genius. SFV killed itself and here comes Tekken to save the day with its inaccessibility and obscure mechanics introduced 4 releases back. Whole FGC jumps on T7 like new fighting messiah and Harada swims in money.

>people actually saying newfag and lurkmoar


i feel like you're 16 or just jumped from /b/, in either case, you sound like a cockmongler

/v/ is one of the most popular boards on this shithole and keeps growing, hell moot added /vg/ to try and segregate it. so you calling out people who are new as if that's a weird or bad thing makes you sound like you've never been here before. that, or you're a cockmongler.
people always say this board has changed or whatever, but it hasn't. its the exact fucking same it was 8 years ago, only thing that has changed is you, you've aged. it has always been this fun cesspit that regurgitates 16 year olds until they're 20 and fuck off.

Tekken 7 somehow manages to be more boring to watch at a high level than SFV.

>>387314439
The FGC doesnt make up a proper amount of sales.
Tekken still sells to casuals off that Tekken3 nostalgia.The numbers are decreasing though.

And honestly Tekken should be mocked for releasing in such a barebones unfinished state after such long delays.

>>387314461
Embarrassing

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Really makes you think

Why didn't Skullgirls take off? I thougt everyone liked it as it was well balanced and essentially by fgc for fgc.

>>387314439
Yet T7 has sold the least out of any current generation fighting game

>>387314461
Doesn't matter, point is that faggot was WRONG and needed to be fucking told. The pasta is edited. Not a big deal, but fuck him he was wrong about that and was calling other people newfag. Fucking karma.

>>387314619
Think about what?

Rightfully, Tekken took 10 steps forward, while SF literally backpedalled

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Fighting games are in such a bad state right now jesus christ
>despite capcom repeatedly showing a lack of creativity, care, and constantly fucking up, still manage to stay ahead in sales
>fgc heads will never let go of Capcom, no matter how bad it gets
>tekken's numbers plummeting
>guilty gear is that game everyone says they like but don't actually play
>the best selling fighting game is fucking Injustice which is just casualbait story mode
>all of this in a market that is shrinking every year
Seriously if you take all current fighting game sales and COMBINE them you MIGHT make what sf4 made.

How the fuck do we save fighting games? People are already turning on dbzf so I doubt that's the Messiah everyone's been looking for.

>>387314619
literally all of those numbers are made up and wrong.
all those games sold more.

>>387312903
I would say I'm surprised at someone being so pathetic as to type all this out just to get a response, but I realised that I'm so pathetic as to respond.
Muted.

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LOL tekkucks on suicide watch

>>387314896
>Tekken numbers are plummeting
I agree the market is shrinking, because of casualization but tekken is doing great for now. But I wish harada stopped being retarded and added cross play

>>387314896
>Injustice which is just casualbait story mode
This attitude is why no one outside your little circlejerk is never going to take you seriously.

>>387315002
>>387314619
SFV staying ahead is a bad thing though, do you really want THAT game to be the fighting game staple?

TTT2 was better 2bh

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>>387314896
Unless you're a shareholder for Capcom or other companies the overall sales dont matter much as long as the games are alive and get played much.

Right now SFV is more active than SF4 was tournament wise, and the crossplay essentially gives PC and console players a much bigger pool than they are used to.

So for me, as a player things have never been better.

>>387315070
Well its a much better game than T7, so yes.

>>387315002
Wow, well done MK. Im suprised. Also Tekken competed for attention when released along side capeshit? Pretty inpressive.

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>>387315085

>>387315118
>>387315070
Well technically MKX and Injustice are the staple game

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>>387315002
DELETE THIS ITS NOT FAIR BROS WE CANT LET THE CAPKEKS WIN

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>>387315002
LOL FGC autists on suicide watch

>>387315070
No less than i want shit like tekken 7 to be the staple

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>/v/ermin would rather like to see SFV a game that looks like it is in open alpha year after release succeed over tekken
Why do I come to this board again

>>387315204
They play SF5 they already lost at life

i think the number obsession with these games is pointless because

first if its all about the numbers then dota2/league/csgo/pubg and many others set the bar and they are not even remotely the same league
second with this game even at 1k players thats a crapload of 1v1 games
games don't need to fill many 5v5 rounds every minute

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>>387315002
>>387314619
This just shows the state of fighting games

Look how fucking low all the sales are, a game as bad as SFV being ahead is bad enough, but just the overall sales numbers speaks how the fgc is dying.

>cringelord rage arts
>lots of characters with projectiles
>street fighter characters feel very out of place
>full on anime stylistic
i'm so bothered by this. ree.

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>>387315226
LOL nintodlers on suicide watch

What's with this board obsession with sales

Do you guys get off reading corporate numbers or what

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I know positive thinking is frowned upon here, but I still believe in our hero.

He will save us.

>>387315458
the fuck is that shit. minecraft sold much, much better than that, for sure

>>387310173
>game for casuals sells more than game for actual fighting games enthousiasts
WOW

>>387315196
if only people actually played them.
they are in that fun spot where plenty buy them but nobody sticks to them.

>>387315458
NINTODLERS WIN AGAIN

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/6455/super-mario-bros/

>>387315482
Shills from different publishers come to these threads to flex their e-penises, just the way it is.

>>387315482
>learn game for 200 hours to git gud
>suddenly nobody is playing it anymore

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>>387315002
>trusting
>VGchart

probably tekken already sell more than SFV, the game have way more sales on PC and would have more sales thanks to SFV being a big pile of shit.

>>387315503
Its 360 sales again.

>>387315489
here? as opposed to where?
also upvoted

>>387315559

Well if the learning process itself isnt already fun for you, you are in the wrong genre.

>>387315196
injustice 2 and MKX are shit, practically are dead games.

the FGC staple games right now are:

>SFV
>guilty gear
>blazblue
>tekken 7

>>387315685
mkx is still populated, i could easily find a match with good latency few weeks ago and i live in a third world hellhole

>>387313219
>>387313380
>>387313484
>>387313621
>>387313704
>>387313964
>if I keep plugging my ears and call people newfag it'll magically become wrong
How about you post actual proof

>>387315654
/v/ is shit, we can't talk about games thanks to all /v/ermins

VG is miles better, even reddit and neogaf are better to discuss vidya than this shithole.

>>387315587
See >>387314117

tekkuck BTFO

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>>387314370
>xbots
>playing fighting games

>>387315751
>/vg/
Do you mean circlejerk

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>>387315559
Oh shit anon, what ever did we do before the online multiplayer! Guess we couldn't have fun!

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>>387315751
you can't mention /vg/ either sorry anon rules are rules

>>387315959
i don't agree with what i said, i merely stated why this gets posted in fighting game threads so much
i just play tekken 6 on my psp every day when i go to the shitter, trying to git gud and outdo myself in survival mode. I can consistently do 3 ewgf now, i hope that's ok

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SKILL BASED GAME

>>387316239
>retard loses to retard

You can post a webm of ken shoryukening someone to death, same effect

>>387316098
>i can consistently do 3EGWF

Ah! But can you PEGWF while wavedashing during a back dash cancel? Hmm?

>>387316239
that king is pretty bad, he could btfo claudio easily on multiple occasions, he just spams one same kick over and over, he doesn't even cycle between different attacks

>>387316239
How can you lose to this fucking hopkick after low green? You can punish it so hard on block it's not even funny

>>387316331
pewgf is just frame perfect ewgf right? i don't think you can even do three without doing a perfect one at least once i swear you faggots just make names for everything now

>>387315819
yeah? the xbox360 was kicking the PS3s ass back then when it came to fighters.
sony had to buy exclusivity for fighting games to prevent it this time around, but even now shit like Tekken7 runs more fluid on the xbox one than on the PS4, which is laughable.

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>>387316239
SO DEEP, SUCH HIGH SKILL!!!

>>387316434
you can spam other set of buttons that i can't be bothered to remember in order to escape though

>>387316434
>throw combo chains against a CPU that physically can't react when any player who isn't a retard can break out of it instantly

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>>387316496
So you are literally saying the game boils down to whoever mashes the hardest wins?

>>387316557
if you get grappled like that it's only because you lack movement skills

>>387316239
This webm is garbage and your garbage for posting it.

King and his wizard and circle of doom is just the best. Please git gud

>>387316428
>but even now shit like Tekken7 runs more fluid on the xbox one than on the PS4, which is laughable.
enjoy your 40 second loading times then

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>>387316590
>tekken
>movement skills

>>387314329
They did everything wrong in the beta and didn't fix it. Woshige is a hack and whoever else didn't listen to the communities core-gameplay complaints before launch. Beta 1 had the best gameplay reception and they decided to completely ruin everything people liked about it on top of not fixing any of the problems.

>>387316640
its the ps4 that has 40 seconds loading times. and more input lag.

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>>387316557
>There are people who genuinely believe this in 2017
If you're mashing you're bad at Tekken, that's all there is to it. There's always a way to beat mashing no matter the fighting game.

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Reminder tekken 7 has the most input lag out of any fighting game ever made.

http://shoryuken.com/2017/06/02/tekken-7s-input-delay-has-been-tested-heres-how-it-compares-to-other-games-and-its-predecessors/

>>387316705
ok
https://youtu.be/p-0o1TUPLpE?t=10m59s

>>387316719
Thats not what im seeing >>387316239

>>387316557
mash should be Lili, Eddie, and Claudio

>>387316815
I don't even play the game and even I know that that kick is punishable on block
In other words a trashie is beating a trashie

>>387316815
The retard getting bodied in that webm has multiple chances to react and punish and he doesn't

>>387316815
This is literally proof that mashing is bad. King tried to mash through hopkick every single time instead of blocking and punishing accordingly.

>>387316906
>This is literally proof that mashing is bad.
>Guy mashing gets a perfect

>>387316901
that retard somehow got to yellow rank which is higher than most of the regular playerbase

>>387312326
Not sure why IJ2 isnt discused here, maybe because this place is full of weebs. But the game is very active and its also a good start for those who want to get into the fightan genre since it has players of all kinds of skill. I normally dont wait more than 30 secs to get a match in ranked

>>387316932
>drawing conclusions about a game from a stupid webm that was clearly created to troll or shitpost with

How is matchmaking in this game? I remember playing TTT2 on ps3 and just BTFO anyone. I don't want to brag, I just want actual competition and having a hard time, it's just that I'm most likely a shitter who got matchmaked with bad players or something. And will it go on sale on Steam any time soon? Are there any players in eu?

>>387316932
And any sane player instead of this chimpanzee in tiger mask would kick bleach character back to blues if he only mashed hopkick. Claudio player noticed that King player is retarded and abused it.

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>>387316979
You've answered your own question, I'm enjoying Tekken 7 alot but I occasionally pop in IJ2, I think they're both great.

>>387316932
>Mashing retard loses to slightly faster masher retard
Admit it, you are bad even at Tekken which is an easy game to pick up.

>>387317078
Just buy a CD key like any sane person. I got the game at launch for €20 cheaper than the console versions, it can only be cheaper now

>>387317218
What makes you think I play that utter shit?

>take 100 damage from a single throw
>if you don't know the throw breaks then fuck you
>have to spend hours in training to recognize all of his bullshit throws
>he's the only special snowflake grappler in the game
>risk reward for king players is like 0 risk of trying a throw and 100 damage for the other player so FAIR

This kind of shit is why it's leaking out new players, it's just frustrating

>>387317232
it's the same price for me, I want to play steam version, it's $30 here and same on g2a, i'm a poor russian boy

>>387317291
Just mash buttons, you dont need to know how to actually do anything in tekken, hell the game even auto blocks for you.

>>387317291
t. DSP

>>387312326
On purpose, yes.
All NRS games are fucking trash.

>>387317291
King and Honest man of honest punch are two really unfriendly characters for new players. While seasoned player will be able to deal with them, new one just will think it's bullshit to lose 3/4 of his HP from single move.

>>387316979
>>387312410
>I'm not this faggot. Honest.

>>387317453
Still better than tekken

>>387317291
Any green rank and below king is dogshit usually though. They forever do that get up from the floor where they want to drop kick you, but it's ao obvious and i just stand there and wait for them to perfectly position themselves for a back throw. And if they start doing that throw shit, i just spam theows right back at them till the match is won, and hilariously they actually get mad about that and send salt mail to my inbox kek.

>>387317565
I love throwing king shitters. I really can't understand how can you play grappler and not know how to break grabs yourself.

>>387317638
king is not a grappler

>>387317638
This happened to me in a few matches in ranked earlier. He never broke out of a single one of my grabs across the 5 or 6 matches we played

>>387317638
they probably just play king 100% and dont really understand the grab break mechanics

>>387315040
Sure fag, sure.
>capeshit
>take me serious guise
LOLOLOLOL

>>387310173
To be fair, SFV was basically SFIV Alpha Remix.

>>387317638
They also take "hurr durr wrestler" as licence to spam regular throws over and over again. They think they are some of the best players in the game but they are mostly shitters, who get mad as fuck when you play their shit game against them. "Learn to play" they write as thry lose to spam throws. Kind of like how blue rank lei players used to be to be honest.

>>387315196
>MKX
>Injustice
>staple games
Fucking kek! You can't make this shit up.

>>387315729
>third world shitter
>plays MK
It fits

>>387317859
No it wasnt

>>387318059
It's a gud game

>real fighting game sells better than a fake one
PRE DICK DA BO

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>>387316750
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/07/05/tekken-7-input-lag-issues-explained-patched/

Already patched out, anti Tekken spammer.

>>387318423
SFV has sold more than T7

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>>387317683
>one of the only characters to have multiple command throws and throw strings
>king is not a grappler
>not a grappler
>king

Give an example of a grappler character that isn't King in tekken then. I'll wait.

Is there really so much fucking work with ONE character that they can only release one every 6 months? (Geese in Winter, next on in 2018 Summer)

>>387319085
It's been available longer?

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Reminder that right now, there are more people playing botched, glitchy, abandoned PC version of MK X then there are people playing constantly supported PC of street fighter V

>>387319315
King is not a grappler his gameplay does not revolve around throws, furthermore hes throws are completely usless, you casual fucking shitter.

King is not a grappler.

>>387319582
Injustice 2 has sold more than tekken 7 also

>>387319557
Harada has stated that he has wanted Geese in the game for ages, so he probably wants the team to take their time and make him as ready as possible. This could include the smallest of tweaks, like maybe attack frame changes or something, I dunno.

>A game's worth is dependant on the people that bought/play it
These threads never cease to amaze me.

>>387319707
It's capeshit. No shit moron. I expect it to sell better thsn MKX given the current capeshit obsessed climate.

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>>387319315

>>387319315
Tekken has no real grapplers and likely never will, everyone plays the same in tekken, hopkick into juggle.

>>387319707
Of course, it's been out longer.

>>387310173
>EVO pools had less viewers than Hearthstone
>Top 8 had less viewers than Smash and SFV

FGC and FGC-lite don't care about Tekken

Injustice also sold more than SF and Tekken but nobody except super-casuals care about IJ

>>387319632
>his throws are useless
How are his throws useless? Sure, they can be broken out of if you know what to press, but if you get caught in them without knowing how to get out of them, you're pretty much fucked. Take his rolling death cradle for instance (can't be bothered finding a video on it).

>his gameplay does not revolve around throws
Of course it doesn't. If a character in Tekken had very few normal attack options and heaps of throw options, they would be a really shit character since there would be an over-reliance on throws for good damage.

>king is not a grappler
Still no example of another grappler character besides King.

ok? pleb game sells more
call me when its still relevant and still has online playerbase after those 2 months, last i heard the online was dead

and let me know when they are center stage at evo

>>387319905
Oh right, keep forgetting about Jaycee. Still, I'm thinking about T7.

>>387319632
Don't know what you're talking about, yeah you don't play king best by randomly throwing people, but his entire oki revolves around throw wakeup, and grapplers in other fighting games are the same.

>>387320007
I mean, I guess so. King is technically the closest Tekken has to a REAL grappler character though. As for the hopkick to juggle thing, I honestly think that people rely on them too much since there are plenty of other options to initiate a juggle besides a hopkick. That, and some of those other options are safer since they aren't always as obvious. I get what you mean about that though.

>>387320142
King is not a grappler

King of Fighters is the GOAT

>>387320504
Then tekken doesn't have grapplers and is incapable of having them. If your special definition of grappler excludes all ways a character can grapple in Tekken then there are no grapplers.

>>387320380
>but his entire oki revolves around throw wakeup
lolno

>>387319614
reminder that this is a lie and that SFV has twice the amount of players online on steam.

>>387320586
>then there are no grapplers.
Correct

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>>387320586
>if you discount all the grappling, then there are no grapplers

>>387320605
Okay how do you finish combos then? If you're scratching your head and thinking "well with iSW or wall splat and a ground throw," congrats, immediately after that you're engaged in throw wakeup. This is the essence of a grappler, Hard Knockdown Okizemi with more options than a non-grappler character.

>>387313704
Funny how the redditor comes out in some people when they're backed into a corner.

Stop saying Kek and cuck, it makes you look like a fucking sperg.

>>387320767
I dont think you understand what Oki is

>>387320871
I'm not sure you do.

>>387320798
tekkucks, ladies and gentlemen

>>387312903
>Denuvo
Sorry you are too poor to actually buy games PC-uck

>>387320586
The problem with this argument is how you define "grappler." In any 2-D fighting game, a grappler is one whose gameplay surrounds command grabs that you can't escape if you get hit by them. They tend to have a kit that also helps them get into a position where they can command grab, whether it be a forward-momentum move or having vacuum properties on a specific move or super. King has none of these things. His command grabs can be broken, even mid-chain, and he lacks any meaningful tool that a "real" grappler would have, such as a vacuum move. King still has to run up next to you to start a grab link and it's not like he sacrifices mobility to do it.

The only thing that King has that makes him grappler-like is that some of his move have grabbing involved, but lots of other characters have that. Even Asuka has a command grab.

Does anybody play Akuma online? I've only seen one in a few hundred matches.

I regret buying this game because I am to intelligent too teach me this game. I watched countless tutorials but they are all dog shit and only confused me more and more.

Just a reminder that ARMS sold 1.2 million in 2 weeks, while Tekken and SF took MONTHS to hit a million

Nintendo is the new king of fighting games :)

>>387322363

There were a lot of Akuma's when the game first released but people discovered that he's a shit gimmick character so he's been dropped.