are these the best pokemon games?

No, BW2 exist.

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>>387306519
Close but no Cigar

No.

>>387306519
Yes. /thread

>>387307540
Those are in the bottom 3.

>>387306519
Yes.

>>387306519
we have this thread once every week. stop it.

>>387307972
>no physical special split

No

Emerald is good but this alone makes HGSS and Platnium better

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>>387307540
FPBP

HGSS are very good, and are almost definitely some of the top tier pokemon games. But BW2 are the pinnacle of the series.

Also Platinum is arguably better than HGSS.

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Step aside, shitters

>>387306519
One look at ebay price listings should tell you enough

>>387308274
>tfw have a copy of HG and SS and the Pokewalkers and the figures from launch
Seriously don't get why they're so fucking expensive though, its like 50 bucks just for a cart.

>>387308176
The lack of phys/special split is irrelevant in a regular playthrough of Emerald majority of the time. I dont get why people would rather suffer gen 4s silky smooth sub 30 fps when most of the important attacks like Earthquake, Flamethrower and Surf are already in their post-split category.

>>387308274
I regret only getting SS while they were still on the shelves. I should have gotten HG before it disappeared into the aether.

>>387308424
Trying to use any Dark type in Emerald is suffering. Also, Shadow Ball being physical, what the shit.

>>387308402
I heard they produced fewer copies than usual because PokeWalker bumped up the production cost by a significant margin.

Either way I'm glad I was able to get them for 39€ back when they were brand new.

>>387306519
my fav
>>387307972
has all my nostalgia, comfy as fuck
>>387307540
fantastic games, very very fun
>>387308218
a bit sluggish but very fun game

>>387308479
Apart from Mightyena, which is a shitmon, and Absol, which can run a STAB-less Swords Dance set just fine, what Pokemon suffer from this change exactly? Sharpedo, Crawduant and Cacturne all have decent special attacks to make use of the special Dark STAB.

>>387308181
as a platinumfag myself the first gym's in both games have equal strategy type shit, Cranidos is a tough guy that can catch you off guard and the pidgey + sand-attack into a roosting pidgeotto can fuck you up if you don't know what you're doing.
last gym in DP has taught foes but they are all earthquake bait, battle against clair is tough because enemies like kingdra don't have weaknesses to moves the player likely has so his moves like smokescreen and hydro pump are quite punishing

>>387308562
The end-game of Platinum is the best in the series, I clocked in probably 500+ hours and completed my National dex and still enjoyed the shit out of it.

Also it feel like it was the last gen of "real" pokemon that made you glad you ported them of earlier games to get all of them in one game.

Oh and competitive battling actually felt legitimate for the first time in 4th gen with the physical/special split and other changes, Garchomp notwithstanding.
although X/Y has an even more polished meta if you ignore Mega forms.

>>387308646
Crawdaunt has SHIT special attack and the other two aren't much better.

>>387308680
It doesn't help that you have to grind on wild level 15-20 pokemon before Claire.

>>387306519
Liked platinum more

That's not Sun and Moon.

>>387308796
Wut, 90 special attack is far from shit, especially on a mixed attacker. Just because the last gens power creeped the fuck out of everything doesn't mean it's not usable in its own gen.

Does anyone know of any location/gps spoof apps on android? Been trying for hours to research an easier way to play pkm GO due to rural area i live in makes it basically impossible to level up and all accessable GPS spoofers dont work due to security on android. Something with a joystick would be nice if anyone knows of anything.

>>387306519
If only there was a board dedicated to Pokémon videogames.

>>387309113
If only there was a board dedicated to video games.

>>387309113
>reeeee don't talk about video games on /v/: the post

>>387306519
They were the last good Pokemon games.

>>387308181
>But BW2 are the pinnacle of the series.
If by pinnacle you mean pinnacle of shit, yes.

Fuck no. They're way too laggy and slow, sadly. The Nintendo DS was the wrong system to release them on. The games itself are in theory amazing (gen 2 was my favorite), but the technical shit makes them unbearable. They're OK on emulator but fuck that shit, I want to play comfy in bed.

>We'll never get a Pokemon with a fuckload of options again because Pokemon Company's new strategy seems to be drip feeding so you'll want more

>>387309338
If you don't like BW2 you have bad taste, sorry

>>387309416
If you like BW2 you have bad taste, sorry.

>>387309413
It's a good strategy business wise, I mean look at S/M's ridiculous sales. I think they realized releasing another Platinum or HGSS would set the bar too high for them with the next games, so they're content with putting in bare minimum effort now.

>>387308830
>being bad enough to have to grind in any of the pokemon games

never once had to do this, if you fight all the trainers on your way to a given location you will be high enough level

The only good games were Red and Blue.

>>387307540
Thread should have ended here.

>>387309547
Yeah except the level curve is incredibly fucked up in HGSS, so if you caught anything past the 3rd gym good fucking luck having it be at decent levels for Claire. Its not a matter of difficulty, its a matter of Kingdra only being weak to dragon attacks which you won't have at that point.

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Why is Dawn still the sexiest?

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>>387309939
I always hated Dawn's outfit.

>hey we're going to redesign the characters for Platinum to show how its a colder region
>but...uh, yeah, just leave her legs uncovered

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>>387310017
You're just jealous your waifu is less attractive.

>>387309939
Dawn a shit.

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>>387310156
I didn't post my waifu until just now

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>>387306519
step a side shitters

>>387306519
If you play it with Drayano's romhack, absolutely

If we're only talking about the base game, platinum and black2/white2 are better

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>>387310303
Not only is she less attractive, she can't even do her job as a gym leader properly.

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>>387310530
No woman in Johto can, I don't blame her. I blame the sexist region.

If you want an adventure, it's Crystal. If you want battles, it's Emerald, Platinum, or BW2 with Challenge Mode on. If you want a good multiplayer experience, it's ORAS. If you want the most stuff period regardless of whether it's fluff, it's HGSS. If you want something "different", you want BW1 or SM.

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>>387308979
>Running crawdaunt as a mixed attacker
>"""Attacker""" with 90 in it's attacking stat

>>387308181
Final gym leader of HGSS is Blue though, why do you guys never take Kanto into consideration when talking about low levels?

>>387311846

Because Kanto was a barren shit hole and people only like it in gsc/hgss because of nostalgia

I had a dream last night that HG and SS were put on the eShop for $10. So bizarre, like I can't even remember the last time I thought about those games.

>>387307540
Amazing games. Better than HGSS for sure, but still worse than Platinum and Emerald.

>>387311721
>running
You can beat the game without evolving any of your pokemons anon, remember it

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>>387306519

No. That'd be this here.

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Nothing will ever top this.

>>387312964
B2W2 is better in literally every way.

>>387306519
No, they become way too boring somewhere between the fourth and fifth gym due to a lack of proper level scaling.

>>387308176

>no physical special split

Wait what, I haven't played these in ages. Don't they have special defense and special attack stats?

>>387313859
>>387311191
In what ways is Crystal better than HG/SS?

>>387314463
In no ways whatsoever. People who prefer Crystal to HGSS, RBGY to FRLG, RS to ORAS (not Emerald though, Emerald is way better than ORAS), or even just BW to B2W2 are just nostalgiashitters.

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>>387311846
Blue is post-game as is everything from Kanto.
We're comparing main game here.

>>387314337

Not at all. They removed the region lock, dumbed down the story, and had worse designs across the boards.

>>387314660
>3 dragonites

what an asshole

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>>387314660
>Ice Beam: the battle

>>387314847
this. i know they wanted to stay true to the game but its things like this remakes should change.

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Emerald > Crystal > FRLG > Platinum > SM > HGSS > ORAS > BW 1+2 > XY

Pokemon after gen 2 is retarded because fucking nobody should have to keep track of that many Pokemon to be strategically capable

>>387314660
Damn, I love how varied Cynthia is.

>use Thunderbolt on Milotic
>Milotic used Mirror Coat
>JUST

What hg/ss romhacks are good? If I've never played Pokemon past gen 2 in 2000, which games should I play?

>>387315334
I loved the sacred gold and storm silver rom hacks, they're really good

>>387315667
Can you give me a quick rundown on them?

>>387307972
The most aesthetically tight game for sure

>>387314580
Gen2 sprite art is far better than anything that came after. The following gens are eyesores.

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>>387315841
lol what?
RSE look like shit compared to FRLG

>>387316092
right one is over designed

>>387315808
They're not much different from the vanilla HG/SS, but they add lots of wild pokemon to areas, so that you can really catch them all in the game.

I always loved legendary hunting, and this game is full of legendaries. Sadly, there's not a puzzle or something before you can capture them, they just stand in a place, but it's still really fun to find them.

It adds some cool extra story bits, which I found fun to play through aswell.

Some information on the final goal of the rom hack, very minor and light spoilers:
spoiler When you captured all 600 or something pokemon (I know, it sound stupid, but it's actually a lot of fun to catch em all) you can complete the game by capturing Arceus /spoiler

>>387316092
FRLG are very sterile and neutral, which make sense for Kanto but not for Hoenn.

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>>387316149
is i retarded becuz i can not put the black text for spoiler

>>387308646
lol nerd

>>387316218
>is i retarded

im so sorry anon.

The OFFICIAL Pokemon rankings:

D/P/PT = HG/SS > G/S/C > FR/LG > B/W = B2/W2 > Emerald > R/S > R/G/B/Y >>>>>>> X/Y >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OR/AS >>>>>> A piece of shit >>>> S/M

>>387316149
I'm not interested in 500+ fucking Pokemon, I just want the 250. Honestly having gen 3+ Pokemon in the game almost ruins it for me

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>>387316164
No, it's a fact that RSE spritework is mediocre and FRLG is a clear step up.

Just compare similar environments and you'll realize.

>>387316290
I can't possibly imagine how a person could be autistic enough to think that the difference between those two areas is so drastic that one could be conceivably argued to be objectively better than the other

>>387316290
It's not a fact at all. RSE look better to me and a lot of people. FRLG is generic, technically good but without as much charm. Hence Emerald keeps a tighter aesthetic (which includes music)

>>387316284
you dont have to catch them but with that many pokemon out there, you can easiliy build a Dream team.

also, all gym leaders uses 6 pokemon in battle. good luck.

>>387316406
I didn't want to be rude and call him autistic but I'm glad someone else agrees.

>>387316290
The environments match the design philsophy of the region. Kanto is more about the advanced science and cities while Hoenn is supposed to be more natural. This extends to the Pokemon in the regions as well.

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>>387316043
gen 1 and gen 2 are ugly as fuck games.
I don't know how anyone can seriously replay them these days.

The GBA games have aged so much better because they're 60fps, fast-placed and have colorful and pleasant spritework. They're still solid titles to play today.

I think you're just a massive nostalgiafag.

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>Someone at Gamefreak gave the "okay" to these designs

>>387316791

That roided up fly thing looks cool.

>>387316732
Gen 2 plays a lot better and has a better aesthetic than Sun and Moon.

>>387316791
How would anon design an otherworldy ultra beast?

>>387316881
Gen 2 is too slow.
Smog takes four and a half weeks to finish and then you have surf and all of those awkward pauses inbetween attacks.
The game was so poorly made.

>>387316791
Some definetely suck, but Necrozma or smth looks cool

black2white2 is the series peak
HGSS are the best remake

>>387316954
Deoxys, Giratina, Darkrai and many other older Legendary Pokemon do a better job at the otherworldy role.

If I was in-charge, they wouldn't exist. I would make better Legendary Pokemon instead.

>>387306519
of course not, the music is fucking aweful

>>387307540
firs post best post

Gen V is the best gen and gen IV is, by far, the worst

>>387316791
definitely love them because they are supposed to look bizarre as fuck, "not pokemon", and they manage to do it

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gen5 would be perfect if they just had the difficulty options unlocked at the start for everyone instead of making it that bizarre bullshit that requires two games

it also has the best dex despite all the moaning about MUH ICE CREAM MUH TRASH

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>>387317150
But the ones you said belong to this universe.
The Ultra beasts belong to a different dimension entirely.
The laws of physics can be different in the place of the UBs so it makes sense their designs are odd to adapt to those places.
Maybe Celesteela needed to be this big to survive in it's world.

DS POKEMON GAMES POWER RANKINGS

1- BW2
2- PLATINUM
3- HG-SS
4- BW
5- DP
anyone who disagrees can fuck off

What is the best Pokemon rom hack lads?

>>387314386
Yes, but pre gen 4, all attacks of any given type were either all special or all physical. IE, pre gen 4,, all fire attacks used special stats, even fire punch and blaze kick.

Normally this isn't too big a problem, since obviously, most fire types are special attackers, most fighting types are physical, and so on, but there are exceptions that got screwed over, like Flareon; and some of the type's assignemnts were stupid: All dark type moves were special, and all ghost type moves were physical, but most dark types are physical, not special attackers, and most ghost types were special, not physical attackers

>>387317623
gba games, so ruby

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It went downhill from gen V onwards, but even if gen VI was subpar it wasn't, by all means, the worst

no, that title goes to gen IV

>>387316043
I agree gen 2's battle sprites are sexy as fuck but gen 4's battle sprites are great too and gen 2's overworlds are aged as fuck and don't have the same charm the battle sprites do

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>>387317215

>Gen V is the best gen

Fuck no it isn't. BW2 were only good on challenge mode, which Gamefreak made you unlock in the most retarded way imaginable. BW sucked and still sucks. Gen IV wasn't good until Platinum. Both BW2 and Platinum are some of if not THE best but lumping the entire generation in there is fucking retarded.

Gen 1 and 2>Everything. I'm sorry you dumb kids didn't get to experience Pokemania. I'm truly regretful for you.

>muh genwunner
The cry of the insecure pokemon fan that knows that they seriously missed out on when Pokemon was at its best and the least complicated. When regions were fun to explore and had loads of personality and when most pokemon designs weren't fucking stupid.

2>1>4>5>3>7>6

This is the only ranking for the generations I take seriously. Everything else can seriously fuck off.

I haven't played most pokemon games in years. I just revisited white for the first time 5 years and my opinion of this game did a complete 180. When I first played the game I hated it and considered it the worst pokemon game I've ever played but on this second playthrough I love it.

>>387317748
>4's battle sprites are great too
are you for real?

most of gen IV sprites are fucking garbage, fixed in gen V

>>387317596
>>387317760
>Agree with me or fuck off.
O-okay.

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>>387317623
Prism

As far as actual fangames, none of the complete ones are good. Sage (pic related, vp's fangame, which has a demo out to the third gym), Ethereal Gates, and Phoenix rising all look promising though

>>387317717
except Platinum and HGSS are easily two of the best games in the series.

Did you only play DP?

>>387317623
Sacred Gold and Storm Silver
by far

>>387317673
Ghost type being physical is hilarious.

I guess I'll have to remember which is which before I play emerald again.

>>387317760
>Gen 1 and 2>Everything.
I so fucking sad to hear that retarded people who haven't even played the games are allowed to give their opinions

or you are just a fucking hipster
Either way, you have no idea of pokemon, you should leave

>>387317870
Hasn't sage been in development for 7 years now?

>>387317883
>Complete the pokedex to unlock the real ending
No thank you.

>>387317950
>he doesn't catch em all
reported

>>387317791
I'm 100% for real.

Show me 20 in battle sprites from HGSS that look super bad.

>>387317870
>except Platinum and HGSS are easily two of the best games in the series.
no
Everything that is good with HGSS, level design, characters, pokemon and difficulty comes from copying gen II, by its own merits what can be gathered from HGSS? That the music is butchered shit and that it carries the sins of DP
Platinum fixed only TWO fucking things: the speed at which the HP bar depletes and the enemy teams, making p`latinum the hardest mainline game, but there were so many fucking things wrong with gen IV that weren't fixed in platinum that you can't just forgive them

>>387317986
This is /v/ I get a free pass.

>>387307540
This.

>>387318035
>waste your time searching for 20
no fuck you

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>>387317890
>You havent played the games

So what does it feel like to be as wrong as you are?

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>>387317623
you wish I was joking
I wish I was joking

>>387318126
how does it feel wasting 600 dollars on what are essentially 4 different games

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>>387317923
it started just as people desinging fakemon for fun on /vp/ in 2012, it shifted to an actual fangame in early-mid 2013, so around 4 years. More content then just what's up to the third gym is done, that's just what's it includes. The city in >>387317870 for example isn't in the demo (which updated to have 3 gyms rather then just 1 a few weeks ago), as it's the city with the 4th gym.

I'd expect sage to be finished in another 4 years or so.

>>387318182

That isn't Prism.

>>387318126
then you are just fucking retarded who has no idea of pokemon and thinks with his "muh originality/nostalgia"

adults are discussing pokemon here, go close your ears in denial before your garbage gen I gets btfo here

>>387306519
i don't know

>>387318252
prism is fucking traaaaaaash
only got noticeable because the bullshit nintendo cease and desist and even then I think it was bogus to give the game publicity because the creators didn't want to continue working on it

>>387318123
Form what I recall, GSC had around 10 or so still awful looking frontsprites. as of Gen 4, there were more then double that amount of pokemon.

You should be able to find at least 20 if your claim is true.

>>387318065
>Everything that is good with HGSS, level design, characters, pokemon and difficulty comes from copying gen II, by its own merits what can be gathered from HGSS?

It doesn't need to do it "on it's own". It still has it. Something that's exactly the same as something else but 1% better in some other ways is still better then that other thing, objectively speaking.

>the music is butchered shit
Prove it, nothing is wrong with it as far as I can tell.

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>>387318241
It wasn't a waste, because I play them with my GF. Thanks for the laugh dude.

>>387318398
>You should be able to find at least 20 if your claim is true.
of course but I don't want to waste my fucking time, because even if I did you would find bulshit excuses like "well hurr, I like them so no"
fuck you, you get nothing

>tfw stopped playing after BW2
should I get a 3ds and play the other games?

>>387318398
had my pasta open to why gen IV music is fucking shit:

compare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XjouKSkSeM

look how it was butchered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBIPHpy3yk0
what the fuck is that with that intro? The notes also sound jarring

and this shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q6y5Vhz_o4
why the fuck did they have to add extra notes in between?

Like in all games, gen IV had some really good songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWKA-JGA-3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXefFHRgyE0

But then there is this pice of shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD73ZEmjmVE
I will never comprehend why this exist

and most of the rest of it? forgettable

compared to the rest of the series gen IV has the worst music, no doubt

So what Pokemon games from each gen are the best / playable? To me it looks like
>1
Yellow
>2
Crystal
>3
Emerald
>4
Hg/ss remakes
>5
Bw2
>6
N/a
>7
N/a

>>387318254

>who has no idea of pokemon
Yeah, I don't have any idea of Pokemon even though I've been with it since its Debut in America. Right. Good one, idiot.

Gen 1 and 2 were the best and you guys know it otherwise you wouldn't be so buttblasted. I rank 4 as high as I do despite the issues because of all the depth Gen 4 brought to the table. The Physical/Special split was amazing.

I'll reiterate: Black and White suck and were just Gen 1 rehashed until BW2, which made you unlock features in an extremely stupid manner. There is beauty in simplicity, and that's why Gen 1 and Gen 2 are king.

>>387318446
>with my GF
you're the one that needs to be thanked for the laugh
wasting hundreds on duplicate games and pretending to have a gf

>>387318598
>There is beauty in simplicity, and that's why Gen 1 and Gen 2 are king.
and there is broken fucking messes

>>387318254
>adults
>discussing pokemon
Hmm...

>>387318594
>Yellow

Fuck off

>>387318660
where the fuck do you think you are?

>>387318579

no, X/y, ORAS, and SUMO are fucking awful

>>387318660
Where do you think you are?
>>387318651
They're far from broken you retard
>>387318693
How is yellow possibly worse than red/blue?

>>387318598
for someone so autistic you certainly have no fucking clue of what makes a good game

oh wait, its precisely because you are autistic

>>387316791
the muscle mosquito is goat though

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>>387318745

>>387318582
Congratulations, you convinced me the national park theme is worse in HGSS, but that's the only actual comparsion you posted.

>But then there is this pice of shit
The Arceus theme actually works well in the context of the cutscene it showed up in in HGSS, but I agree it's shit as a battle theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi6WyRP6Cog

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>>387318640
>pretending
>no u!
lmao kid

>>387318651
Yeah, and? It's where it all began, faggot. At the end of the day, they still are better generations overall than everything that came after despite that. That's how far Gamefreak dropped the ball.

After Gen 1 and 2, every single game was a disappointment in some way because Gamefreak is an incredibly incompetent developer.

Or are you seriously sucking Gamefreak's dick so hard that you can't see how ass it is that they constantly remove features, constantly shove gimmicks down our throats, and constantly hold the players hand? Every game should have a challenge mode at this point and you all know it. I'd rather go back and play a Gen I difficulty romhack than play Sun/Moon again, for example.

Again, pure jealousy from you people. You missed out on Pokemania, when you literally could not enter a conversation without Pokemon coming up at some point. It was glorious.

>>387318839
>It has problems so it's broken
Gen 2 is better anyway. Still the best too.

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>>387318774
>he actually thought this was a clever reply
Yeah bud, SUMO and BW are SO AMAZING. The story? Amazing. Spectacular. Exactly what I wanted in my pokemon. I didn't want good atmosphere or a nice region to explore or good pokemon designs or anything.

>>387318903
because you should have already known the gym theme by heart and how it fucking sucks in HGSS with that link I posted

But you should know that this happens to every single HGSS track, having been arranged like fucking shit. Not that GS music was good to begin with because, due to the gameboy color hardware, every game on a gameboy color sounds like fucking shit

That cutscene is really fucking bad, its just a slideshow of pictures with no context

>>387318983
>every single game was a disappointment in some way

That doesn't mean they are worse. Dissapointment is subjective, not objective.

An average 7/10 game in 2017 still has more content, better visuals and audio, better balance and deeper gameplay mechanics then the average 8/10 or 9/10 game from the 90's.

>>387319109
gen V had the best story because it was the one with no irrelevant villains. The game didn't toss you the evil team like a stupid distraction and just finished with the league
A nice region to explore is exactly what gen V offers. Even when the game finishes there is a 40% of the game that you haven't even seen yet and plenty of reasons to visit them, precisely the HMs, that were completely optional in the main game, get their moment to shine, unlike being just plot tickets to advance
Gen V has the best pokedex because it makes a huge effort at making it balanced and with 150 new pokemon that force you to actually go out of your comfort zone and meet new bros for your journey isntead of "I refuse to play this game unless it is with the 6 pokemon that I've caught in all games and always played with" Every single pokemon has a great movepool that makes it very useful for your team, you'll never find that one of your pokemon are being fucking useless unless it is a clear route 1 early evo
how the fuck are you saying that gen IV doesn't have the worst designs

>>387319223
That last sentence is the least true statement I've ever read on this board

>>387319223
>That doesn't mean they are worse
Except it does. You can forgive a lot of Pokemon RBYGSC's issues because of the tech behind it, the time it was released, and how it was the beginnings of Gamefreak. It's all understandable when put into context.

It's also hilarious that you people love to bring up Gen 1/2's issues while ignoring Gen 3's. Berry glitch anyone? Yeah Emerald is great, but you can't say Gen 3 is perfect either. None of them are, but Gen 1 and 2 was the peak. Even Masuda knows it, read his interview on Gen 3's development and you'll know where I'm going with this line of discussion.

For a series that changes very little, it changes in ALL THE WRONG WAYS and that is my fucking issue with new pokemon games. I like them and all, but Gen 1 and 2 were the best overall and it was an absolutely glorious time to be a Pokemon fan.

>>387319223
this

senpai, stop answering the genwunners, they are beyond salvation

>>387319532
>You can forgive a lot of Pokemon RBYGSC's issues because of the tech behind it,
no I won't

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>>387316791
I actually thing they all look pretty fine.

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>>387306519
Hope USUM has following Pokemon.

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>>387319507

>how the fuck are you saying that gen IV doesn't have the worst designs
I haven't spoken on Gen IV's designs at any point my man. This is the first time the subject has been brought up in the convo chain I'm having.

Gen IV was a mixed bag for sure but no worse than Gen V. For every Magmortor and Krickitune you got a Lucario or a Luxray.

>Lucario? good? LEL
Furfags can yiff in hell, but when I first saw Lucario and Riolu I felt they would have fit right in with pokemon like Wobuffet, Wynaut, Xatu, etc. you know, "Ruins of Alph" sort of pokemon with that weird ancient aesthetic going on or what have you. I like the design.

>A nice region to explore is exactly what Gen V offers
Not really man. The music isn't very memorable and you are never at any point thinking "where to now?" because its a fucking circle.

Gen V simply was not very good and was in many ways a Gen 1 rehash anyway in terms of Pokedex, so good reply my man good reply.

>>387319784
get gen IV the fuck out of there

>>387307540
fpbp

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>>387319865
no

>>387314660
But the games clearly take into consideration that you're going to do Kanto by making Johto shorter and have tighter level gaps.
Pokémon variety and placing is pretty inexcusable though, I will say that.

>convinced by the arguments that gen 4 is shit
>Convinced by the arguments that gen 5 is shit
>Convinced by the arguments that gen 1 is too out dated to defend
>Convinced that all 3ds Pokemon games aren't even worth paying attention to
So only gen 2 and 3 are good I guess. Crystal/Emerald power team

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>>387319817
>Gen IV was a mixed bag for sure but no worse than Gen V
here we fucking go

>pokemon design
even if by far the pokemon additions isn't remotedly close to the worse things gen IV did it also has a lot of critique coming for that

Almost all the new pokemon had terrible designs. Because they weren't limited anymore by the power of the console they went waaaaaaay overboard with adding stupid unnecessary details to the pokemon, resulting in amalgamations of colors with not fucking sense, pic realted for a quick example of what I mean. Your lovely luxray is also guilty, even its one of my favorite pokemon too
But the biggest offense with the pokemon are the two following
A lot of new pokemon are evolutions of previously existing pokemon. Granted this isn't as infuriating as the epitome of "why the fuck do you even exist?" that are the baby pokemon introduced in gen II but still not a good example of creativity
The pokedex balance is PATHETIC, to make it brief just tell me how many fire pokemon were added.
the pokemon added isn't the worse offense of gen IV, but its still an offense

cont...

>>387306519
Yes.
-The Pokethalon is the best side quest
-Added dungeons to Kanto and expanded a few dungeons
-Added Safari Zone to improve selection of monsters
-Voltorb Flip may make getting a Porygon a slog but Dratini is easy to get early game now
-Best Spritework
-Generally good remasters for the soundtrack and the option to get the old stuff back at the end, unlike FRLG which butchered RBY
-Added Platinum's frontier which adds even more hours of gameplay

It's a lot of game, I just started replaying it. It's still an all time fave. I like B2W2 almost as much but 500, really 493, was a perfect stopping point for mons.

>>387319817
>>387320038
>>387320221
>level design
Gen IV has the worst case of HM over inflation of all gens to the point that I only need to mention rockclimb to cause rage to everyone who has played those games. Then you got the routes that are just a complete pain in the ass to travel or just repetitive, MT coronet being the most obvious, but infamously memorable are the routes with swamp terrain and the snowy route that would have been cool had it not been for reducing your visibility to zero while making you go at crawl pace
You just said Gen V doesn't have exploration because its a circle. That's not true at all because of how branched the paths are. The game is linear only during the main story and then it has more small places and places to visit only second to hoenn
>balance
The difficulty curve is a fucking joke. They had to resort to bosses having cheating enemies (a skunktank and purugly grossly underleveled and other pokemon knowing moves they shouldn't). Pokemon platinum fixed this, but it doesn't mean it can be denied that D&P did it terribly. It is true that gen VI is so fucking easy it hurts, but that's easily fixed by turning off the exp share (turning it into one of the most difficult games to nuzlocke ever), but Gen IV difficulty comes from faulty design that can't be fixed

>Movepools
almost all pokemon have the worst movepool possible in existence when leveling, being fucking useless during a normal game.
Look at the leveling movepool of toxicroak and just cry, it doesn't learn a single fighting attack

>single use hidden machines
do I need to say anything?

>graphics
the fact that I've seen firered hacks that mimic almost perfectly the graphics of gen IV makes it a fucking joke.Although I don't give much shit about this so whatever
>speed
it is painful how slow the HP bar goes down and the animation of some attacks. Fixed to some extent, but not completely in platinum

>music
refer to >>387318582

how quiet this has gotten all of the sudden

>>387320336
>underleveled purugly and skuntank were a bad thing
casual detected
those two were among the most challenging battles in the entire series
they actually tried to make a game were you didn't just click x to win
because of whiney kids like you we got shit like BW and XY right after

>>387320974
>those two were among the most challenging battles in the entire series
for all the wrong reasons

>>387320974
ah shit yes
Non-human from Action 52 is difficult as hell. Must be the best plataformer in fucking existance then

>>387320336
>>387319817
Re-read my chain of posts. You're imagining positions of mine. I agree with a bulk of what you say here but that still doesn't change the fact that during the main course of Gen V you do not at any point think to yourself "where to now?". Having little places to check out here and there post game DURING REVISITS is not the fucking same. Backtracking is not a replacement for a good ol' illusion of big world to explore. Gen V lacks this illusion and that's my main problem with the games, actually. That, and how bullshit it is that they locked Challenge mode behind the most retarded unlock requirements I've ever seen in the history of video games.

Because of this shit I really can never give Gen V the edge over IV. At least IV brought the Physical/Special split and has the best region to explore for reasons I mentioned above.

2>1>4>5>3>7>6 is still my ranking and I can't take anything else seriously. It's all subjective in the end.

>>387321076
compared to shit like Plasma/Rocket or Plumeria never being difficult because they never had ANY reason to be
The Admins were a mini boss battle and they were not impossible either.
Complaining about mini bosses, you may as well hate video games and go "play" visual novels instead.

>>387320221
>NO FIRE POKEMON!!!

Dude gamefreak has always put way too many water pokemon in games and so few Fire pokemon because in real life water is more common than fire. Sinnoh was the coldest region, so it makes sense that there aren't many fire types.

It's still bullshit but the only people I see that whine about are people that love the fire type.

If gen 4 is shit then why is platinum good? If gen v is shit why is bw2 good?

>>387321141
>during the main course of Gen V you do not at any point think to yourself "where to now?
so?

neither you do in any other gen
ah, you think there is an illusion of choice in gen II and I?
add "shit level design" to the problems of gen I because its needlessly confusing
Challenge mode is shit because its only "make enemy pokemon have higher levels" and thus it was just a matter of grinding even more
I don't give a fuck.
>illusion of big world to explore
are you 8 years old?

>>387321238
>don't critique that they couldn't balance a game without blatant cheating!
>leaving out how asinine and embarrassing that were teams of gen 1 and 2
are you stupid?

>>387321298
how grossly twisted. To defend a travesty of game balance and terrible choices with "it makes sense fluff-wise"

>>387321125
skuntank and purugly aren't impossible to beat at all
you would have a point if the battles were cheap, like the fisherman in Pokemon Stadium, but it's not like that at all
learn how to switch mid battle
don't call the game shit because it's not as brain dead as your favorite one

>>387321554
you didn't understand anything

if the game has to resort to cheating for offering a challenge then they are doing something really fucking wrong.
>gen V is braindead
want me to tell you why I know you have never played it or forgotten it?

actually never mind, you all have gotten BTFO really hard that the only thing you say is "PURUGLY SKUNTANK ISN'T BAD!"

fuck you all, gen IV is fucking trash. Deal with it

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>>387321518

>neither do you in any other gen
lmao you're a lying cunt man. A lying fucking cunt.

>Challenge mode is shit, all it does is increase levels
Again, you're a lying fucking cunt.

So man why are you so hell bent on defending Gen V through lies? It won't work.

>>387306519
>That shit level scaling
>That barren Kanto
>Retarded gym/e4 rematch system

Platinum is better, and BW2 is way better.

>>387321518
>cheating
the underleveled pokemon aren't cheating
you may as well call it cheating when the player uses revives and super potions that the AI cannot use
the player and the AI have different advantages
cheating would be free status boost or damage from the AI
cheating works differently in a turn based game
learn how games work before you try to criticize them, sweetheart

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>>387321518

>claims there is no illusion of choice in where to go in Gen 1 and 2
>then claims its needlessly confusing
>blatantly lies about Challenge mode in BW2

bruh

>>387306519

Pokemon romhacks are better than the official series. Nintendo doesn't know how to fix their own mistakes.

>>387321691
gen v isn't braindead how?
will you resort to using post game?
reminder that cheater Ghetsis uses an underleveled Hydreigon

>>387310017
>>hey we're going to redesign the characters for Platinum to show how its a colder region

>We only added snow to the beginning town. Nothing else is different
Stupid idea all in all

>>387318598
If there's beauty in simplicity then XY is the best Pokemon game. Easily the most polished while benefiting from WiFi and 3DS tech.

>>387321915
>gen 5 levels were so badly balanced that a level 60 hydreigon had to be cheated into the game
shameful display
no wonder that gen was the shortest and they only got one pity mega

>>387307540
BW2 are literally just the first two games but with a shittier story and more Gen 1 pandering, which I assume is why they get wanked over so much. The only nice thing I can say about them is that they have Rosa.

>>387306519
they're up there, i like bw2 for hardmode alone

everyone in the thread is forgetting about the opus of pokemon, pokepark wii /s i actually did kind of enjoy that game though

>>387321989
XY can't be the best. It lags like a bitch, has practically zero post-game even Gen 1 had the Unknown dungeon, and some of the worst design choices ever.

Pokemon didn't need to stay 2D but I really hate the way it was handled. Why is Starmie gray? My gripes with XY are so numerous I can't even remember all of them.

>>387322151

the handholding alone ruined it

>>387320221
>Son Goku mon
>wtf why does it have gold on it
Retard.

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>>387307540
Mi negro.

>>387322151
>Why is Starmie gray?
But it isn't.

>>387322151
>i will not count Terminus cave, looker quest and Kiloude City because haha

>>387318579
Dont anon. I stopped at BW2 as well. It gets worse after your cross the line

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>>387322397
..but it is. It's a gray w/purple hue. It's not Starmie's color at all and its just one example of how fucked the colors are in XY and SuMo.

You can try to debate this all you want, it does not change facts man.

>>387322464

>seriously implying any of those top Unknown Dungeon, or even searching for Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno.
Post-game in XY sucked harder than in Gen I. It's a fact. Where did all these XY cocksuckers come from?

>>387319532
>You can forgive a lot of Pokemon RBYGSC's issues because of the tech behind it, the time it was released, and how it was the beginnings of Gamefreak. It's all understandable when put into context.

But that doesn't make it better then something modern that doesn't suffer from those issues, it just makes the presence of those issues more understandable

A wooden club might have been more revolutionary for it's time back in the prehistoric era, as the first actual weapon any organism made, but it's still not as fucking good as a steel sword or a gun.

>>387318579
idk maybe USUM will be good

>>387322625
>>387322397
They desaturated a great deal of pokemon in the game for whatever reason.

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>>387322625
Wrong, the colors aren't fucked up in XY/SM, the colors were fucked up in the past sprite based games.

The colors of the 3d models match the official art, the sprites were just incorrectly oversatured

>>387321701
>Cofagrigus
>Leftovers
In my recent BW2 playthrough I used that but it never mattered. Cofa generally always lost over half his hp per attack and couldn't dish the damage back out.
disappointed to say the least

>>387322679
That analogy would work if the new Pokemon games were actually as good but instead they handhold and are very story focused when I don't give a shit about that.

I get that you kids can't possibly understand why an old game would be better than a new one but you'll be where I'm at one day.

>>387322625
>>seriously implying any of those top Unknown Dungeon
"b-b-b-but it was better" doesn't mean it wasn't there.
ZapMolArt aren't even postgame in RBY unlike XY(in which you actually have to search for the bird).

>>387322762
see
>>387322793

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>>387322625
>t's not Starmie's color at all
Or maybe you're fucking blind.

>>387322793
>the colors were fucked up in the past

I've seen this argument before, but the "art" is wildly inconsistent and you should be aware of this as well if you've seen the anime, read manga and seen the color parts, or have seen the TCG examples.

Surprise surprise, the 2D sprites ALL look better. Thanks for proving my point jackass.

>>387322801
Tank mons are usually not good to use in SP despite shining in multiplayer or facilities.

>>387322679
>trying to argue with a genwunner nostalgiafag
Anon, stop wasting your time.

>>387322914

>you're blind!

That's clearly darker than the model in XY you retard.

>>387322835
>They aren't even post-game!!!
They were for many people that didn't play them years later extremely late to the party, idiot. You having the internet at your disposal does not mean they weren't post-game to many.

I've never played Pokemon past gen 2. Should I at least get through emerald to be more aquainted with the new Pokemon before going into hg/ss?

>>387323058
>I can't win the argument, better not engage!
Every time. Love every bit.

>>387323058

enjoy your handholding and shit designs

>>387314660
Gee, Lance. Why does your mom let you have three Dragonites!

>>387323019
Except the anime, manga, and TCG, like the sprites and models, isn't "the official art", it's secondary material.

The official sugimori artwork is the "master document", so to speak, which everything else should be following as close as possible.

>>387323204
Genwun sucked compared to HGSS. HGSS had way more features and activities to engage in.
I literally don't understand you garbage humans who think pokemon games should be nothing but straight-line routes and gym badges. If that's what you want, go fucking play BW1. That game is literally designed to suck genwun cock. It was boring and restrictive.
Face it, genwun hasn't been good since the early 2000's.

>>387323204
Because every time someone gives you faggots good points, evidence, or anything that contradicts your "facts," you just dismiss them and espouse cherry picked nonsense.
/v/ has given up you pathetic wretches because you stopped contributing meaningful conversation a long time ago.

>Tfw I'm close to beating Kaizo Blue without losing even once and without savescumming
Dreams do come true.

I unironically prefer gen 1&2, specifically Blue
A lot of the bugs make it interesting
There's challenge in doing a no-cheating run, and deciding how to best distribute the good TM's

>>387323613
>without savescumming

not even in the safari zone?

>>387323652
Nope. Took me a few tries but I nailed it.

>>387308218

Can't wait for the remakes to ignore Platinum's plot fix just because GF refuses to just remake the third version.

>>387323127
This is one of the dumbest posts i've ever read. You and your friends being retarded doesn't mean everyone else is.
Especially in how you pass directly in front of one of the fucking birds and travel near another. Only Articuno is left in mystery for the game since you can use Pallet Town to reach Cinnabar.

They're only postgame if your brain can't simply make 1+1 where a 1 is "need surf" and the other 1 is "come back when i have surf".

It doesn't even make fucking sense. People that came later when internet was easier to get had more trouble than we who had no help but rare strategy guides or untrustable word of mouth? What the fuck?

The only postgame in 1 is the Unknown Dungeon. Period. There's a reason why every kid's first tought before playing with friends was "i must get Mewtwo".

>>387323698

nicely done

Have you played crystal kaizo yet? It's beyond frustrating

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>>387323443
>I literally don't understand you garbage humans who think pokemon games should be nothing but straight-line routes and gym badges.

You're a complete fucking idiot. XY and SUMO are exactly that. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, in the old games you could get lost provided you aren't a guide humping faggot. Especially if you're a kid.

>>387323546
Read through the thread. You're the only ones espousing cherry picked nonsense. I was making cohesive arguments for the merits of Gen 1 and 2. You fags have given nothing but weak retorts the entire time.

All of you fags are seriously jealous you missed out on Pokemania. I'll say it again and again because its true.

>/v/ has given up on you pathetic wretches
This is hilarious. Like you think this board is one person or that your opinion is what is in vogue. I LOVE IT when you fags whine about gen 1. Gives me a huge fucking boner.

>>387316791

>Hating Buzzwhole

Even genwunners I showed it to love it.

>>387318579

6th gen is only worth caring about for rebuilding a collection.

>>387323782

>this fucking post

The Power Plant is entirely missable my dude. I mean, I agree with you for the most part. But get fucking real.

>>387323806
Yeah, I don't believe that one is actually doable without savescumming. Mostly because unlike Blue a lot of Pokemon have fucked up movesets and you don't find out until very late (Donphan learns EQ at level 100 for example) and even then some amazing Pokemon that rely on a certain gimmick are both restricted to Mt.Silver and have their gimmick removed.
Also fuck those superbosses.

>>387316791

I really want to see a movie about them, even if it might be "Ehh." They looks so jarring, they feel like new creatures entirely.

>>387323174
probably, gen 3 added 135 new Pokemon, nice balance in designs

while gen 4 added 107 (a lot are legendary Pokemon and evolutions of old Pokemon)

HGSS is very similar to the original games so you'll be seeing lots of Kanto/Johto Pokemon.

Gen 5 added 156 and Game Freak was going for a soft reboot feeling (don't see old Pokemon until you beat the game) this only happens in Black/White, Black/White 2 has old mons during main story

>>387317427
I remember Groudon being bigger than that in a movie or the anime

>>387324045
It's entirely missable if you think everything you get by surfing is missable.
>oh look water
>can't get here. i need surf

later
>got surf FUCK yea
>mmm i remember that part early near that pokecenter where i couldn't go bet ya it's a whole new zone

And it was and then you go and get the goddamn bird.

Hell, if anything for a kid Zapdos IS the first bird they get because they remember this, and usually they don't even have enough Ultra balls yet. This or they either get Moltres first because you literally walk in front of its room and since VR is a short dungeon you usually waste more time moving rocks and trying to catch the thing than actually fighting the E4.

Articuno is just a cave in nowhere because you aren't forced in using Fuchsia to go to Cinnabar and the only time you see Articuno itself is one of those houses that separate some roads.

I mean, if we follow this logic, then the Unknown Dungeon is completely missable too: you certainly can't access it until postgame but in truth, is there ANYONE who didn't talk to the British Guard in front of it just after getting Surf? I don't think so.

Gen 3 is the best gen

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>>387324102
Are there any great romhacks of gen 3 or is Emerald good enough?

>>387325264

emerald omega is fun

>>387325264
good enough

>>387319784
This is actually a pretty solid list.

>>387325604
Meh, the whole point is that I want to play gen 3 to ease myself into gen 4 by being used to gen 3

>>387321906
I would consider Sacred Gold the best Pokemon game if it wasn't for the cringy added story elements.

I mean, yeah, they're barely there, but it still takes me completely out of it whenever it happens.

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>>387320221
>with adding stupid unnecessary details to the pokemon
I know, right?