This saves the franchise

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and this destroys it again.

>>387300460
I really want this to be good, but the more I see of it the goofier it looks. Such a downward spike from Mania.

Does anyone have the Mean Bean Vs./Final of Puyo Puyo remix? I downloaded an OST and it's not there for some reason

>>387300460
>Can create your own original sonic character
>kills something
Nahh, it will be big success.

Can anyone tell me, does this game have new levels or just remixed/remade ones? People tell me different answers all the time. Some say it's all old levels but with a twist, while some people say that there are new levels as well.

>>387301081
Remixed, old ones, and new ones.

>>387301081
it's all true

>>387301081
8 old levels with twists (outside Lava Reef Act 2)
4 new levels

>>387301081
>does this game have new levels or just remixed/remade ones
yes

>>387301081
>Some say it's all old levels but with a twist, while some people say that there are new levels as well.
Both are right.

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The success of this >>387300341
will turn this >>387300460
Into this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBZgk8gJc6g

>>387301157
>>387301158
>>387301179

Alright cool, thanks. Seems I'm gonna buy this next friday then when the salary comes.

>Blue Sphere
brb killing self

>>387301081
Sonic Mania includes both old zones from Sonic 1,2,CD,3&K and brand new levels as well. For old zones, Act 1 is a condensed version of the levels from the original games while Act 2 is the level aesthetics with new twists.

>>387301247
>Implying Blue Sphere isn't the best special stage in all of Sonic

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Anyone else wish we had more, harder Chaos Emerald stages? Those things were fun as fuck, but I beat the final emerald's stage in 2 tries. shit was too easy once you got the hang of it. I want more!

>>387301072
>cherry pick something that doesn't affect gameplay or anything substantial in any way
>GET HYPED!!

>>387301225
>implying 3D Sonic will ever resemble something like Utopia
Sonic Team wasn't even aware that something like Mania was what people wanted. They're so completely out of touch that the best we can hope for is that Sega allows more Mania-esque games to be released alongside whatever new Sonic experiment Sonic Team decides to drop on us every so often.

>>387301427
I am having serious trouble finding the special stage rings so far.

>>387301437
>doesn't affect anything substantial in any way
Just visit devianart.
"Original" character everything sonic autists need.

>>387301081
Best way I can describe how they handled the older levels: Many of the Act 1 stages are like a remixed version of the original stages, but with more going on and sometimes fucking with player expectations (Like how they reversed the underwater platform puzzle in chemical plant). Basically, using the core concepts of the original levels.

Many of the Act 2 versions of those levels introduce new ideas and are pretty much completely different, although a few of them have nods to the original levels (As well as several levels that are not represented). Both acts have a boss.

I personally think it was done very well, and even the older levels feel fresh again due to the great level design. Some of the bosses can be hit or miss Flying Battery Act 2 boss and Stardust Speedway Act 2 are both kinda bad. The rest are pretty solid

>>387300341
I caved and bought this for a relative of mine I'm staying at for a few days because the copy I bought for myself, and the only platform I own for it, was PC.

... And God damn is Mania fucking fantastic. Holy shit everything is just so good. It's like the game is one of those demons from all those doujins that lubes you up with aphrodisiac and rapes you into mindless bliss.

>>387301072
>Nahh, it will be big success.
>he isn't aware that Sonic games have been selling less and less with each new title
Sonic is becoming less relevant as time goes on, and the series' sales are reflecting that. An OC creator isn't going to change this, because the same autists obsessed with OC's already buy anything with Sonic's face on it anyway.

Smaller budget projects like Mania might be better for both Sega and the Sonic franchise going forward, honestly.

>>387301462
I would admit that you're right, but it hurts to do. :(
I just want Sonic to be great again, and I would love to see SEGA be able to return to their heyday one day...

Mania definitely feels like a fantastic start to a better SEGA and a better Sonic though. Maybe they'll start listening to the fans' ideas if they realize just how well it worked out.

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>>387301482
you can just beat it and use stage select for the ring locations you already know. The emeralds remain on your file and the rings respawn.

>>387301749
Did they say how much Forces will be? Generations was $40 at launch, and that was one of the big reasons I even bothered picking it up (Keep in mind bad sonic games had been the dominant force for years at that point, so I was leery).

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>>387301752
>Mania definitely feels like a fantastic start to a better SEGA and a better Sonic though.
Shame that this is being released in a few months to wipe that thought away.

>>387301829
same price. $40 I believe

>>387301832
Which one is Stealth? I want to laugh at him and his kid voice.

>>387301829
>Did they say how much Forces will be?
I think some leaked pre-order info stated that it will be around 40-50 bucks.

There are a few bugs in the PS4 version.

If you get pushed into the wall (e.g. by the moving platforms in CPZ), you have to mash the jump button until you pop out the top (a bit like the sand streams in Sandopolis).

>>387300341
look. When an old game gets something like this done for it, it makes me proud to share it with others. I can show my young nephews what's it's like to be an OG without having to rely on bringing out the old swag gensis that's still manages to run properly for me to play street fighter 2 (the best street fighter, I dare you to agrue otherwise) toejam and earl and of course, sonic.

It's not something that makes me enbarassed that this is the "best" modern work and represents the series like ratchet and clank 2016

Mania is the game that connects the past to the future kinda like how Crash was able to become relevant 20 decades later, having less star power than Mario or sonic.

It gives me hope Bros, it reassures me that there are passionate people still out there, making vidoegames and trying to make the world a little bit brighter. It gives me the strength to hit that "continue" button.

I'm probably taking this a bit far and serious but sega was my childhood. It's what gave me solstice as a kid who was a mute for 7 years of his life and wasn't never capable to make friends. Hell, my first friend (a girl) happens because we started playing hamtaro on the GBA together back in grade 1. Video games mean a lot to me, and when I first listened to the announcement trailer, i legit started to tear up. Same thing happened when I saw the latest trailer. (Inb4 hyperpotions so bad, they make people cry) and the game was far from a dissapoinment. It doesn't ask me for anything. Not to take in some bigger message, not to figure out some lore points or be super focused on mechanics.

It just feels like it wants me to have fun. And I am. I'm having a great time. Just zooming around as sonic and co, with great music and amazing spritework to immerse myself in. I knew jack shit about what makes a good videogame when I was 7, but I felt grateful none the less back then, thankful for whoever made sonic 2. And I feel grateful to the guys that made this game too.

I FUCKING HATE OIL OCEAN
25 YEARS LATER AND I STILL FUCKING HATE IT

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>>387300341
>CWC doesn't care about Sonic anymore

Time is passing las, time is changing and we are getting old.

>>387301916
The one without the groovy hair.

>>387301462
>Sonic Team wasn't even aware that something like Mania was what people wanted.

But now they do. And Taxman is a fan, he knows what's up. He can carry the idea to them - even if he isn't the one to develop it.

>>387301851
>not making tails and knuckles playable in classic and modern levels
that's what i honestly thought they would do

>>387301886
>>387301934
That actually isn't bad. I might pick it up if it gets OK feedback.

literally what's the difference between getting this and getting a really good romhack?

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>>387301978
>CWC doesn't care about Sonic anymore
Good. I was getting sick of his unclit getting mentioned every time sonic was brought up anyways

>>387302013
There aren't any romhacks that feature the same quality level design as Mania.

>>387301749
But Unleashed, Colors and Generations sold really well. And Generations sold more than both. It's only Lost World which had lower figures.

>>387301505
You know one small touch I fucking got a retarded grin on my face over was so damn small. They took that one red spring in GHZ, you know the one, at the bottom of a hill just after a loop-de-loop that everyone fucking hits and eventually you git gud by either jumping over it or really gittin gud and using it to propel you up that hill back toward the loop-de-loop for the tv box on top of it, and made it a yellow spring. It changes so much about how that section of the zone is handled and its amazing how they built off of it with more stage additions to the area it now sends you.

These fuckers are masters at their craft.

>>387300341
It only saves the franchise in the way that nearly two decades later people are realizing some things didn't need to make a jump to 3D, despite learning that with X8 / MM9 & 10 from Megaman many years ago, and probably NSMB with how gangbusters those sell compared to 3D Mario titles.

We still have>>387301851 releasing and showcasing that Sonic Team doesn't fully understand what works for Sonic due to stuff like Modern Sonic having multijumps ala Nintendo Sonic titles, a dark storyline, and already questionable stage design from the bits shown off.

The part that sucks is that we'll have Izuka screw things up somehow and if they ever do a Mania 2, it'll probably just be retooled into Sonic 4: Episode 3 so they can continue to rape Sonic CD's source material for reasons I can't fathom.

>>387301979
Thanks, he looks about what I figured, and makes me question what his wife Liz looks like.

>>387302159
And Lost World only did bad because it was a Wii U exclusive for a while, then was just randomly dropped on Steam for like 20 bucks
Also it's shit

>>387302013
>better level design
>improved physics because it runs of different engine (water shield fucking sucks in Sonic 3 and it's fixed)
>much smoother animation
no romhack exists that's of this quality.

>>387302159
I think my biggest fear for Forces is they are going to use physics closer to Lost World for the 2D and 3D parts and not Generations, which wasn't perfect but still a lot better then what games after Generations had.

>>387301978
>CWC Doesn't care about Sonic anymore
Source?

>>387300341
I just smiled so fucking much during the Hydrocity act 1 mini boss. That was just...everything i ever wanted and more.

>>387302245
They aren't, in the gameplay footage that theyve shown, it's closer to Colors. Boost is tied to wisps (but also knocking over enemies now) and Sonic has none of the fucking awful parkour shit from Lost World, those physics would not work in a Boost title

>>387302087
>unclit
WHAT? UNICLEATS?

>>387302291
That shit was so fucking clever I couldn't help but grin.
The Puyo Puyo boss made me fucking explode with hype even if I was spoiled on it

>>387302317
>Wisps

Oh god no. They were OK in colors, but every game since then doesn't know how the fuck to handle them.

>>387302245
from what i've seen it looks like generations to me which is alright
>>387301225
THIS is what 3D Sonic should be

>>387301983
>He can carry the idea to them
Sonic Team has been given "ideas" of what to do for years. Their execution of these ideas is what always causes Sonic to be a laughing stock.

Speaking as someone who has followed the franchise for close to two decades now, modern Sonic Team is a lost cause. The team behind Mania is the best thing to happen to Sonic since 1994. Hopefully a sequel is greenlit by Sega soon and is given a higher budget.

>>387302356
In Forces the gimmick wisps are used for OC stages. For modern sonic wisps are only used for boost.

>>387301978
Maybe that's what finally got us a great game in a long while.

>>387302350
I know right? I can't wait to see what other things pop up in this game. I agree though, fucking review sites spoiled it for me. I would have shit myself to see the mean bean machine boss battle my first time.

Any tips on this Super Sonic fight? I don't want to lose and have to do all of that shit over again

>>387301975

My nigga I feel the same fucking way I was having so much fun in mania I haven't gotten a single fucking game over in the game until I got to fucking oil ocean fuck those gas pump things between those two fucking spikes it is so retarded man.

And fuck the robotnik boss in act 2.

Just fuck this level all together.

>>387302397
>modern Sonic Team
You know they actually do more than just Sonic, right?
Puyo Puyo Tetris is heavily acclaimed by fanbases of both. They just don't know how to handle Sonic.

I hope the game wins Best Soundtrack/Music for the Game Awards this year; it deserves every single ounce of praise. I haven't listened to an OST this catchy for a long time.

>>387302480
That boss is so easy to tank through though.

>>387302446
Just nudge into them when they aren't trying to fist you. Don't bother with the dash attack.

>>387302480
>tfw hated OOZ in 2
>tfw don't mind it in mania

I actually really enjoyed TMZ. Its a much more fun penultimate stage than Death Egg

>>387302509
Does anyone have the OST? I found one download but it was incomplete.
If someone has a quality download of the Mean Bean Vs./Final of Puyo Puyo remix that'd help too

>>387302159
>But Unleashed, Colors and Generations sold really well.
I said the series is gradually selling less and less with each new entry, not that they didn't sell well.
>And Generations sold more than both.
No, it didn't. I know for a fact that it did not sell more than Colors, with Colors' success over Generations being one of the main factors behind Lost World being a Nintendo exclusive.

>>387302503
>You know they actually do more than just Sonic, right?
Yes, but I'm not sure how that's relevant considering we were talking about their involvement with the Sonic franchise specifically.

I'd honestly like to see more original titles from Sonic Team. They obviously don't have much passion for Sonic anymore and haven't for years.

>>387302597
eh, Death Egg had a big hype factor to it thanks to the transition and the subsequent music, etc. Level design wasn't bad either.

>>387302575
Thanks, that did the trick. I just tanked the robot's energy balls. It's silly how you can tank almost every sonic boss, but I don't really understand how you were even supposed to do that SS fight. The tackle seemed useless, and that guy was surrounded by nonsense the whole time

>>387301832
gOTTA GO FAST

SONIC MANIA (XBOX ONE DOWNLOAD CODE GIVEAWAY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxVJtHNqhRo

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>yfw you learn that the Phantom Ruby's power can damage Super Sonic and Infinite uses it in Forces

>>387303008
>Xbone

>>387302620
Lost Worlds was an exclusive because Nintendo secured the right to 3 exclusive Sonic titles, with Lost Worlds & Boom being two of those, and I believe one of them was a new olympic title.

Nintendo footed the bill, so they played around with some new gameplay elements, along with solidifying the death of Dimps on the series.

>>387303047
So could Big Arms, but I don't see people still freaking out about that.

>>387301832
gotta go fast

>>387302480
yeah im not feeling oil ocean this time either.
those rocket platforms are super annoying still and act 2 with the gas leak somehow made the level even worse

>>387303069
Dimps is basically Sonic Team 2.0. How they went from Advance to the trash they make now

I got a behemoth boner the moment I heard the triumphant reprise of the theme song when I went Super. Dude. Holy fuck. I haven't felt this way since the mid-ninties.

Redpill be on Blue Sphere
Can you replay stages somewhere once you beat them?
Does it always go in sequence which one you get?
What happens when you gold them all, do they repeat?

>>387301832
gotta go fast

>>387301832
gotta go fast

>>387300341
It's quite a return to form
Now if only it wasn't wasted on a joke of a franchise like Sonic.

>>387301832
gotta go slow

>>387303376
Sonic Forces is your fault now.

>>387303221
Have we even heard anything about them after most people panned Sonic Lost Worlds 3DS? Between Sonic 4 & the post-Rush titles, it seemed like most people wanted them to move on to something else.

>>387303189
Limiting visibility in this series is a death sentence for gameplay, and that essentially returned us to one of the worst Sonic & Knuckles gimmicks and is a reminder why most people don't like Sandopolis Act 2.

>>387303372
>Shitpost the Anon

>try to explore a level
>TIME OUT XD
Far be it from me to attempt to explore a level without being punished for it

>>387302480
Oil Ocean has been shit in every Sonic game it's in.

Also the boss on Oil Ocean (the robotnik octopus robot) is buggy as all living fuck, I literally lost 10 lives from just like, falling through the floor and insta-dying an shit during that fight.
It's annoying because the boss itself is easy as fuck, it's just the fight is buggy.

>>387303698
How the fuck did you spend more than nine minutes in a Sonic level?

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>Order shipped
>Didn't realise I ordered it from the US version of the site instead my own country's
2-4 more weeks of waiting for that collector's edition...

franchise was never dead to begin with
sure, it had its ups and downs, but it was still more popular than any of (You)r favorite SEGA games
also, the assumption that Sonic Forces is gonna be bad is an ignorant one

>>387301505
>Flying Battery Act 2 boss and Stardust Speedway Act 2 are both kinda bad

But that's wrong you mong.

>>387304147
nah Flying Battery Act 2 boss was pretty shit. Vastly preferred the Genesis one.

>>387304238
It's kinda weird actually. Several of the bosses feel like victory laps for beating the stage. This game is still fucking awesome, but yeah.

Utopiacucks shouldn't get their hopes up either. While the creators of Sonic Mania are cool and passionate fans of the series, creators of Utopia are a bunch of faggots who didn't like Sonic ever since it went 3D. That attitude alone won't get their shit tech demo anywhere near the godlike Mania.
Also, don't kid yourselves. Sonic Mania most likely won't change anything in the grand scheme of things in Sonic franchise. Sure, you'll get your 2D fix once in a while, but a lot of Mania success was due to its novelty. It's not a product with mass appeal, as any normal Sonic game, and obviously won't do enough to make any significant change. With SEGA's unique approach of always trying something new, of course, Sonic games are gonna go through some changes in the near future, but it's laughable to think that they're going to abandon wider audience in favor of a bunch of selfish manchildren.

>>387304594
Dunkey already called it a Mastapeece, Sonic has been changed forever m8.

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>>387300341
I want you to seriously, honestly, truthfully, whole-heartedly defend this boss battle

>>387304594
it depends on how much mania sells. Remember: The Money is Always Right!

They NEED to add a level select to No Save mode if they insist on having us use that bullshit for abilities.

>>387304704
It was fucking sick, man. Probably the closest thing to a flaw is how unruly the little guy is to aim.

>>387304704
You're quite possibly just shit at it.

It's hype as fuck.

>>387304714
Yeah, but Forces is releasing closer to Holiday season, and will obviously sell better, especially if they won't cuck PCfats like Mania did. Also, Sonic Heroes was praised by critics in its day and sold a ton of copies, but we've never seen another Heroes game, so I doubt sales matter that much when we talk about Sanic
>>387304679
Oh shit there goes my argument

>>387300341

>2D game that looks like it's from 1991 saves a franchise in 2017

Also, having beaten Sonic's run but having skipped the leak livestream, how the unholy fuck did that guy game over multiple times? This game is Gold, but it's not THAT hard.

>>387304854
>looks like it's from 1991
do normalfags believe this? the earliest hardware that could have handled a game like mania is the saturn

>>387304852
Thanks for humoring my bullshit, m8. I'm just glad you didn't take me seriously.

>>387300341
>it only took about 23 years

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>>387300341
What is everyone's
>Favorite Stage
>Favorite Stage Gimmick
>Favorite Song
>Favorite Mini-boss
>Favorite Boss

For me its
>Flying Battery
>The ice in act 2 of Press Garden
>Flying Battery Act 2
>Trash Compactor
>The Ninja Heavy in Press Garden

>>387301978
He never cared about the games only the characters, ive never heard him give his opinions on a game a Sonic game before

I don't understand how the secret level select code works

>>387306127
Chris isn't really a gamer per se. He plays casually if at all and doesn't really have the ability for formulate opinions on things like gameplay mechanics

>>387302184
>, a dark storyline,

There's nothing wrong with this

>>387305924
>Stardust Speedway
>ice in press garden
>stardust speedway
> hydrocity zone mini-boss
> dr robotnik's mean bean machine

Can someone give me the link to Sonic Mania's online manual?

>>387302159
Unleashed actually is one of the highest selling Sonic titles due to being on almost every system available at the time.

>>387305924
I had to pause the game for a minute and collect myself when I saw the Chemical Plant Zone boss for the first time

>>387302184
>X8
>bad

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re-posting in this thread

Alright lets talk about real problems.

Did my second run with Knuckles and got all the emeralds by act 1 of Studiopolis. Now once you have all the emeralds anytime you try to glide while you have 50+ he goes super. This is only slightly annoying because I like to save up for 100+ for 1ups but I dealt with it because so level force you to glide and climb namely Mirage Zone act 1.

HOWEVER once I reached act 2 of Lava reef I encountered a spot in which you are forced to glide. Now it is a bottomless pit and once you try to glide you turn super if you have 50+ rings which will cancel your glide and leave you in a free fall state in which you can't start gliding again. This coupled with the fact that the closest checkpoint is far enough away for you to easily build 50+ rings makes this some serious shit.

So really all I'm asking for is that we can get 1 more button to push that will activate transformation.

>>387304704
Sucks when you're super but it's a fun multi-phase boss

>>387306642
But then it wouldn't be just like the old games (where it was also annoying)

>>387300460
It'll still sell more than Mania. The interest is way higher for it.

>>387306642
It is very easy to get crushed in Chemical Plant Zone. You can get crushed by literally nothing at all at times. The elevator platforms are busted, and you can't move about them as safely and stylishly as you could in Sonic 2.

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>>387300341
I got into the series with Unleashed so thats still my favorite game by a good margin and even prefer the 3D games but damn. Mania was fucking incredible. They have made the real developers look like the amateurs. This is totally what 4 and/or Generations should have been like.

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>>387301225
Sonic Utopia style gameplay with the stage-visual and musical aesthetic of Sonic Adventure 1 is my dream 3D Sonic game.

It's never going to happen. You should try looking through recent mentions of "Sonic" on Twitter. There are people hoping that the next Sonic Mania has "modern 2017 graphics" and hopes that they "put shadow in". Sonic Team have been fed the delusions of people who have been reading Sonic Adventure 2 doujinshi and fanfiction for almost 20 years and they're not suddenly going to start listening to us unless Taxman brings it to them personally. That's the reality of the climate of the Sonic fanbase.

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>>387306875

>>387306950
Leave it to snk0610 to not be able to tell the difference between 16 bit and 32 bit sprite work

>>387306875
MOVING ON!!

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>>387301851
In a dream world Sonic Forces would be the final Sonic package for LARPers with a stage editor, modding tools, character customization and a hub for them all to meet up online to keep all the autisms of the fanbase satiated so SEGA can move on to making good Sonic games with fans like Whitehead at the forefront of the franchise.

>>387307076
I don't know man. In my good time line I'd rather Sonic excel in whatever gameplay style he is in.

Don't get me wrong I love the genesis titles and mania above the rest but I'd like to have a truly good 3D sonic game that isn't weighed down by limitations or poor design choice

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WHERE IS IT TAXMAN, WHERE IS IT TEE LOPES? WHERE'S THE FUCKING SECOND RING IN

GREEN

HILL

ZONE

ACT

1

IT'S NOT HARD, OR AT LEAST IT FUCKING SHOULDN'T BE. HIDDEN GOODIES SHOULD BE HIDDEN NOT SIMON'S QUEST LEVELS OF CRYPTIC FUCKING BULLSHIT I HAVE LOOKED ALL OVER THIS FUCKING LEVEL ALL DAY AND I KNOW IT LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND BUT I CAN SEE THE WALLS OF A FUCKING NEW AREA IN THE LOWER LEFT PORTION OF THE MAP AND THERE'S NO FUCKING ENTRANCE, THE ENTRANCE DOESN'T EXIST BUT I KNOW THERE'S A RING BACK THERE

>>387307181
Generations, as good as the fanservice was, had shit gameplay. Modern Sonic gameplay was literally just a glorified Temple Run and Classic Sonic played nothing like the classics (You could literally spindash-jump and fly over the entire stage). And that's all Forces is going to be. I don't want Forces to excel, but it would be nice if it purged all the cancer out of the fanbase for a while.

>>387307197
It's in Knuckles exclusive version of the act

>>387307197
KTE only you little bitch

Super Sonic was never fun

>>387307279
IF THERE ARE CHARACTER-EXCLUSIVE RINGS I'M GOING TO KILL SOMEONE IT'S BULLSHIT ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN'T GO SUPER OUT OF GREEN HILL AND NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WITH EXCLUSIVITY FACTORED IN YOU MIGHT NOT GET TO GO SUPER UNTIL LIKE HALFWAY THROUGH THE GAME?

I THOUGHT THESE GUYS WERE EXPERTS

>>387304704
I had 9 lives and this cunt wiped out 4 of them.

>>387307324
Dude in 3 you couldn't even go super until act 2 of Hydro City

I was able to go super by act 1 of Studiopoilis with Knuckles

>>387306531
Never implied it was bad, as I actually lumped it together with the 8-bit games that came after it due to everyone agreeing how horrible a 3D X game was with X7, and X8 being touted as one of the better titles in the series by sticking to 2D gameplay that defined the series.

>>387306331
It depends on how Sonic Team handles it, since they're the ones writing this one instead of Happy Tree Friends duo. Given they thought Shadow and 06 were great, or having everyone in the world mistake Sonic the blue Hedgehog that countlessly saves the world with Shadow the black hedgehog in Adventure 2, I'm only expecting a trainwreck.

An enjoyable trainwreck that will fuel threads for years to come, but still a trainwreck.

Mania is a great example of Sonic being light hearted and it reflects throughout the game, while the darker 3D games have been comical for the wrong reasons and then marred by questionable gameplay choices that tend to get thrown out completely by the next entry.

The only middle ground would be Eggman that's in a winning position and can be as snide and cynical as he wants, since the odds are stacked in his favor until the end of the game. A well-written Eggman is all that is needed, like how he was in SA2 at several points, or the Archie comics post-reboot. The only thing worse than Sonic having a roster that's rivaling Mario Kart titles is having generic monsters of the week coming in every game and overshadowing the main villain at his only job, like the Forgettable Six.

>>387307419
>Given they thought Shadow and 06 were great, or having everyone in the world mistake Sonic the blue Hedgehog that countlessly saves the world with Shadow the black hedgehog in Adventure 2, I'm only expecting a trainwreck.
I don't think they take any pride with 06's writing. As for Shadow in SA2, the game was probably written when the concept designs for Shadow still actually looked similar to Sonic.

>>387306642

The game is fucking amazing but I have tons of complains, especially when comparing to 3K

>Bonus Stages were handled horribly. Blue Spheres are great but after a while they become interruptions rather than fun distractions. Moreover, once you get all medals there is literally no reason to ever hop in them again. 3K did this much better with 3 varied stages giving actual gameplay rewards
>Stage transitions are dropped halfway and they just ignore actual level locations
>Story progression isn't nearly as well done as it was in 3K, with no hype setpieces like 3K's Lava Reef Act 2.
>Press Garden Act 1 feels like a romhack stage
>Hydro Act 1 took the speed out of the stage
>Monarch Act 1 has a color pallet that makes me want to puke
>Doubtful stage choices like Oil Ocean and Metallic Madness
>Unlockable abilities are restricted to no-save mode
>No way to block the super transformation once all emeralds have been gathered (which is a fucking shame because the special stages are amazing)

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How the fuck do I get the level select code to work on PS4? I tried everything.

>>387307197
its in the lower section of Green Hills, theres a loop de loop you hop ontop of, e z.

>>387304892
See
>>387306950

Yes, they do. "1988" no less.

The fact that people think a "2017 graphics" and 3D models in a 2D Sonic game would be more beautiful than meticulously crafted sprite work really slaps my spaghetti.

>>387307324
Sonic 3&K had Knuckles exclusive area secret rings too.

Can someone please link a good rip off the ost?

>>387300341
No platinum trophy, no buy.

Might buy forces since generation was fun

>>387307826
can't get it to work either

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Does anyone kind of hope they modify Sonic 3&K sprites instead of Sonic 1-2 if they ever make a Sonic Mania 2?
I would love to see pic-related get the Mania smooth polish and colour palette.

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>>387308178
why does he look like he's made out of plastic. Sonic 3 Sprite is shit. go kys.

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why the fuck is the last stage so shit
all it is is the retarded fucking purple balls and bumpers and instadeath bullshit moving spikes and confusing teleporting

>>387308178
I kinda doubt it. Judging from both Mania and Forces, Classic Sonic is essentially supposed to be a cute version of Sonic, and those Sonic 3 sprites look much rougher than the rest of them

>>387308254
He looks like he's made out of plastic because of the colour palette you dope. Next time actually read my post.

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>>387308298
I always thought there could be a could middle ground between the two because the Sonic 1-2/Mania idle pose sprites I've always thought looked pretty trash.

what happens if you collect those blue balls in the special stages?

>>387308312
you can't make a pig look good no matter how hard you try

accept sonic 3's sprite's fate. put in shitty romhacks.

>>387301963
Crash wasn't released 200 years ago

>>387301963
>SF2
>Genesis

Have fun pressing select to kick, idiot

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>>387306950
>5 upvotes

>>387306950
A C T U A L
G R A F I X

>>387300460
Give me a reason why it's a bad game?

Generations was shallow, but it wasn't bad. The OC creator while basically a meme at this point is better than them forcing "Here's Gadge the Badger who uses gadgets and powers them with the help of Wisps" and the gameplay style looks interesting enough, but we need to see more of it.

The story is actually an interesting way to do an edgier plot, unlike some RPG-tier prophecies, ancient beings, time travel shit in Sonic 06, this literally has a macguffin-tier villain because it's not what matters most and is clearly just a way to bring back other villains.

Also it's directly linked to Mania, they haven't shown it because it would spoil the ending, Classic Sonic will have the Drop Dash and Mania's physics. Screencap this post.

I love the color palette they gave Sonic in Mania. All the stages are also a visual orgasm.

>>387301832
They look like Arin and Danny's sons.

>>387308721
>Not having the six button controller

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>No physical release
>Have to buy a hundred dollar collector's edition with a one time use download code if I want a copy to shelf
Never mind then.

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>>387308398
Okay, call me crazy but I think both designs have their pros and cons, so I just put together this sprite combining both Sonic Mania and Sonic 3 designs

>>387309395
I thought the collectors editions was like 40 bucks

>>387309473
that I pretty nice actually. I like it.

>>387309560
$69.99 usd unless you were smart and preordered early

>>387309560
Only if you preordered it. If not you have to buy it from a scalper.

Chemical Zone Act Two made my dick rock hard.
I hated the boss though. I love Puyo and I get why they included it this way but without offset and the bitch-basic AI, it felt like a waste of time.

>>387309591
Thank you

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moving platforms killing you instantly was the most fucktarded gameplay decision made for sonic ever
especially with shit like the blocks in CP instakilling you with 2 pixels lined up while you're trying to jump on them
this shit makes me want to skin everyone responsible for sonic alive

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what should I do with my extra PS4 code? how much would it still for? also does anyone know how to recreate pic related. SSGSS Sonic is pretty cool.

>>387309719
>reddit filename
>using the word "fucktarded"
>dying in Chemical Plant

>>387309858
lol that looks like a landing frame dude

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>mfw I just found out there's a screen in studiopolis act1 that reads GOOD, GREAT, AWESOME, OUTSTANDING, AMAZING

>>387309949
TO BE THIS GOOD TAKES AGES
TO BE THIS GOOD TAKES SEGA

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>>387304704
>when the Huehuehues start to play

>some of the sound effects that the ninja eggrobo makes are ripped straight from shinobi

nice

>>387307397
Don't cats only have 9 lives? Sonic's a cat now?

>yfw the mania blue spheres mode in extras uses Stealth's version of blue spheres he made a while back

Why does Mania use lives? It's an outdated gameplay mechanic. Part of what made Rayman Origins/Legends great was the removal of them.

>>387310312
that's racist

>>387309663
I'm more pissed they didn't include TSU Rules in the minigame
I know they did it all to nod to MBM but a little research on what the Puyo fanbase wanted wouldn't hurt

Should I buy the Adventure games on Steam and play through those while I wait for Mania?

>>387310771
they didn't even duplicate mean bean's rules 100%
I'm pretty sure you couldn't spin puyos if they were surrounded by other puyos from both sides in Mean Bean, but it's possible in the CPZ boss

>>387310836
There not bad games but you might want to play the 16 bit games instead so you have muscle memory for their feel.

>>387309136
>Mania's physics
Have you seen footage of Classic Sonic? Because it doesn't look like that's the case.

>>387302291
Robotnik showing up out of nowhere as the train conductor in Mirage Saloon 1 nearly had me fall out of my chair. Silly little touches like that make me love this game so much.

Anyone else cry at the immense overwhelming positive reaction to this game?

It's what people wanted for 20 fucking years. Not this hallway infinite runner garbage

https://twitter.com/CFWhitehead/status/897417286260187137

They better patch in the missing stage transitions.

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>>387310620
JUST

>>387311043
Tell him to patch in Puyo TSU Rules for fuck's sake

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>retreating back to 2D saves it

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I feel really REALLY bad for PC only fags.

How are you guys holding up?

>>387311068
>being this assblasted

>>387300341
Don't worry, Sega will find a way to fuck it up once again. That's what they always do.

>>387301832
gotta go fast

>>387311131
what was their reason for the delay?

>>387301832
gotta go faST

>>387311232
they just said it needed more "optimisations" which is about as vague a reason as they could possibly give
It's only 2 weeks so I don't mind

As an outside observer who played sonic 1 on genesis and then basically nothing else except individual levels from various games at friend's houses, oh and sonic r on pc, am i crazy in thinking that every 3D sonic game basically plays super similarly? So many tight pathways, no freedom. I feel like if you were to make maps that are like something from an early tony hawk game except adapted for sonic where you have various goals it would work. Stuff that's much more open-ended and more attention is paid to making the movement feel good and giving you freedom to then use that movement than obstacle course style level design. I'm not a big sonic guy so maybe i'm completely off-base.

HATE OIL OCEAN

>>387311305
hopefully the patches are added by then

who are the 3 characters you fight at the end of Mirage Saloon Act2?

>>387311396
t. summerfag thinking they're cool for playing old games

>>387311396
Nack from Triple Trouble, Bean and Bark from Sanic The Fighters.

>>387311232
People speculated to add piracy protection but from the looks of console versions a lot of bugs. Maybe the pc version was just too buggy to release acceptably

>>387309949
WHERE IS IT YOU DOUBLE BADNIK. I LOVE COLORS.

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>>387311463
thanks

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>>387311396
the boys aka those dudes aka Team Hooligan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_6DEfJsgyA

I unironically like most of the modern sonic games, 06 being the exception

>>387311556
Which still raises the question of their whereabouts. I'm guessing they raided the Saloon?

They're just out doing small crimes?

The Heavy must've spotted them at one point if she can magically turn into them.

>>387311396
Shitty characters from Sonic the Fighters that nobody cared about until this game.

>Knuckles gets a cooler Mirage Saloon
>Knuckles actually gets to fight the Heavy Leader before the final boss
>Knuckles gets an actual transition from Lava Reef to Metallic Madness

Ever get the feeling that Sonic was an afterthought?

Hello stupid faggot niggers, do you think Forces will outsell Mania?

Is Chaotix good?

I think I'll marathon all the 2D games

>>387311131
In this time I've played Generations, NeoGeo Pocket Sonic, Freedom Planet, Sonic 3d and S3&K.
There's plenty of games to play yet.

>>387311697
no it sucks

>>387301072
>Nahh, it will be big success.

And? Money isn't everything, EA sequels that utterly trash on the established franchises sell like hotcakes too, but at the price of burning the souls of thousands of innocents.

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>>387311131
just playing other games to pass the time. I've already been completely spoiled and I hear there's quite a bit of bugs in the console versions so I assume they were actually telling the truth.
then again it could just be luck and it was for DRM after all

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Anyone else hoping the HBH BTFO the Zeti in popularity?

>>387311363
That fucking octopus piece of shit, I swear to fucking God. If it hits you you're losing all your rings guaranteed.
Also the stage has the worst songs in the game.

Wait so let me get this right. To get a physical release of Sonic Mania all I have to do is buy Mania and not Forces?

>>387311764
>Money isn't everything
Yes it is.

>>387309276
>>387308721
Exactly. I never even saw a 3 button controller in my life, but I went through at least half a dozen of 6 button ones back in the days.

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>>387311807
>implying they haven't already.

Favorite Heavy is Heavy Magic. She a cute and thicc.

>>387311306
You're partly right about about the tight pathways and no freedom but they all play quite differently in how they go about it.
There are several distinct types of shit gameplay in 3D Sonic which are quite different.

>>387311791
Dude your gonna love it.

Every 20 seconds there's something that makes you go "Oooooh!" or "oh neat" or "woah that X from y!"

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Nobody told me this game had a modern sonic cameo

>>387311396
Woof, Kernel, and Mack.

All they had to do was add a flight cancel for Tails and he would have been GOAT

NOOOOOO

>>387311919
oh I get it
because it's trash

>>387311919
https://youtu.be/D20mY8JPPyc?t=16

>>387303716
>falling through the floor and insta-dying
Don't stand on the platforms when the tentacles drag them under the surface. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be an instant kill.

>>387311919
I only see Avatar accessories here.

>>387311872
Probably would of liked it more going in blind but what are you going to do? I figured well shit if I have to wait, I might as well see the whole game.

>>387312105
>Would of

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>>387312105
>would of

>>387311931
Sonic 3 Complete had a lot of neat QoL improvements, no flight cancel tho
>can carry sonic with tails when playing singleplayer
>super transformation has to be triggered by pressing a different jump button than the one you initially jumped with
>don't have to lose the shield to transform
>can still use shiled boosts if you don't wanna transform yet
>can revert back to normal sonic manually

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>>387311978
That's correct!

Wanna fuck?

>>387312301
hell yeah mother fucker

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>>387312196
>>387312238
didn't know Tom worked for the fuhrer

>>387301851
I'd be fine with this game if the OC character was there just for fun and not part of the story. I'm hoping they stick to their guns and still make Sonic the focus.

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>got a Game Over in Chemical Plant Act 1
>haven't beaten a single sphere stage
>the third UFO stage feels like a cruel endeavor compared to the first two
All things considered I could be doing much worse, it's more accepting that I was always garbage at at classic Sonic.

>>387311807
What about them so good?

>>387311807
They probably already have, no one seems to like the Zeti.

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>3 chaos emeralds
>hydrocity act 1
How bad is it?

>>387303529
The smoke gimmick would have been fine if it was implemented using a palette change,like it was in sandopolis.

>>387312497
I was shit at the Special Stages too.

I got them all with Sonic.

Doing them with knuckles is much easier now that I've gotten the hang of it. Got the first 4 first try. 5th took like 3 tries. Still on the 6th, but I've only had 2 tries with that one.

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So what did you guys think of this?

>>387304753
hey psst
You can spindash into his spindash for a guaranteed hit.

DLC characters when?

>>387312624
Too difficult. Not forgiving at all. Screams ROMhack.

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>>387309136
>mania's physics
>scripted sections up the ass
>boosters in front a spindash tunnel
>boosters in front of loops
>boosters infront of anything that would require a physics engine that isn't completely fucked

>>387312624
dropped almost instantly after i realized acceleration is slower than in any sonic game, making playing it a complete slog

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>>387312676
fucking never.

I WANT MY RASCAL, SEGA.

TAKE MY MONEY. JUST DO A SONIC RESKIN. I DON'T CARE. I JUST WANT RASCAL MODE.

>>387304704
Yo have to have played Sonic 2 (MS) to know you could spindash the little robots without getting hurt.

But besides that it was fun.

Did Chris cream his pants over it?

>>387312741
I never played that one, and I figured it out.

people need to git gud if they had to look this up.

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>>387312730
conjure enough autism to make an Rosy mod. This is the sonic fandom, this game wouldn't even exist if fans just sat there and did nothing.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9MGMqAQzgs

>>387312730
But not even fucking Amy is in the game?
If anything we could get a Fang and co. mode.

>>387312748
I don't think I've ever seen Chris talk about any of the Classic Games. I think he's a modernfag.

I'm not sure he likes the games either... maybe it's just the character that attracts it.

KICK THAT SWITCH AND HYPER ZOOM

Fuck, now I want Amy DLC that comes with remastered Sonic CD levels.

LIGHTS
CAMERA
UR A FAG

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>>387312730
>mfw Mania 2 has all new zones and playable Amy

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Cheeky af

Extra funny as in playing on Switch

>>387312882
>>387312947
troo frar mrania treamu

>>387307324
I've got a route that can get me Super with any character by Chemical Plant Act 2. You just have to git gud at exploring. Protip: go into debug mode and level select to easily look for Special Rings before you do a playthrough.

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>>387312748
Chris hasn't said anything about Mania or Sonic in general for quite some time now.

CWC confirmed autism bandwagon

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>>387312730
But Amy is in the game

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE OST RIP

>>387313229
inside your mom

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The Vinyl Album will come with 16 tracks.

Who's making the cut?

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>>387313272

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>>387311131
(I won't stop until they know my name)

>>387300460
>nu-hedgehog in the box art
The fuck are they thinking?

>>387313229
Just search them on youtube. Is that so hard?

Seriously why the fuck isn't there any fucking torrent for this yet?
This is getting FUCKING ANNOYING.

>>387311680
Lone sonic feels like the shittiest character to play as. If you lose your elemental shield, you're fucked, no more special movement options
>inb4 git gud and don't lose it

>>387313330
nice to see each Track have a name like Sonic Adventure
I wonder what the rest are called

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>>387313330
Where's Metallic Madness Act I?

Why does Saloon hog up 3 spots? WHY ARE THERE ONLY ORIGINAL STAGES IN IT?

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>>387312341
post means of contact

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>>387311807
This reminds me, what's the deal with the mini-bosses during the Titanic Monarch boss?

They can all be damaged (although it is rather difficult), so I would assume they can be destroyed as well.
Has anyone tried destroying all 4 during the boss encounter yet?
The original form of the 5th Heavy is also strangely absent from the rest of the game aside from the intro.
Could there possibly still be more to the game?

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>>387308375
>because the Sonic 1-2/Mania idle pose sprites I've always thought looked pretty trash.

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>>387311512
don't have the game yet, I've only seen it, but it seems to be high up pretty early on in the stage

>>387300460
It'll be fine as long as you can turn off the voice chatter.

PLEASE give us an option to turn off the voice chatting. I want to like this game

>>387313550
You fight the 5th Heavy in Hidden Palace as Knuckles

What if Taxman helped with Classic Sonic's physics on Forces? I'm surprised that hasn't happened already.

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>>387313531
>WHY ARE THERE ONLY ORIGINAL STAGES IN IT?
it's almost like Tee Lopez only has the right to sell his own original creations and not remixes of different songs

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>>387313602
WAITO PIGGU GO HOME!

>>387313550
You fight the leader heavy as Knuckles in Hidden Palace

>>387302219
>water shield fucking sucks in Sonic 3
What? No it fucking doesn't.

>>387313645
>SEGA and Data Discs are proud to announce the official Sonic Mania vinyl album.

SEGA can't sell shit they own? It's not Tee Lopes and DATA DISCS.

>>387302503
>puyo puyo
it's literally a fucking tetris clone how can you fuck that up

>>387313514
>>387313330
For some reason in the in-game sound test they're called with the zone/boss names.

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>>387301832
gotta go fast

>>387313709
It always ricochets vertically up from the ground. In mania it ricochets at the correct angle to the slope it hits.

>>387312557
Sauce? I keep seeing this everywhere.

>>387304892
It still looks more like a Genesis game visually than a Saturn one. Saturn could do games like Super Tempo.

Glad I bought this, first sonic game ive bought in years. I like the new special stages they have a real sonic r vibe.

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>>387313754
Hold my beer

>>387303716
I'm struggling against him now. When the tentacles retract I keep getting trapped between them and the platform.

All of my deaths in this game have been from being trapped tbqh...

>>387311396
The boys
those dudes

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>you find a special stage room...
>You accidentally fall through the floor or wall and can't get back in

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>>387307874
>2017 graphics means 3D models
Don't tell me you wouldn't like seeing a classic sonic game with cuphead-style graphics?

Also let's face it 240p upscaled looks like dogshit on modern tv's and the fake scanlines designed to mitigate it are pathetic. Fucking modern tv's with their shitty fixed pixels.

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Which egg is best egg?

>>387314154
>they didn't call him robotnik

>>387314154
magician
this is fact
don't argue

>>387313731
>SEGA can't sell shit they own? It's not Tee Lopes and DATA DISCS.

It might be a bit more difficult than that, especially if Japanese composers are involved.

>>387314154
Magician because she could change into anything.

>>387314154
Eggman.

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>>387313880
No it fucking doesn't. When was the last time you played something on genesis?

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>>387314154
Assuming we're not counting Eggman? Heavy Magician

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>>387314335

>>387313880
This is closer to Super Tempo than Sonic 1

>>387314154
Did king heavy have a spot for the pink stone in his scepter but it was never used

That with cut stage transitions and a murky plot between eggman and the heavies, seems like their plans had to be scaled back

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>>387314280
>Sonic 3 sprite in Sonic 1

>>387301832
gotta go fast

>>387314154
>Phantom Ruby can assign Genders to robots

Oh god it's even infected Sonic games now

>>387314197
not they they didn't.

They couldn't, one of the higher ups didn't allow it.

>>387310620
>Muh Rayman Origins/Legends
Fuck off you millennial

>>387314016
>240p upscaled
https://youtu.be/DXturRMOzU4?t=5m45s

>>387314484
probably based on the little animal powering it

>>387314154
>Lava Reef Act 2
>mesmerizing music
>mesmerizing stage background
>some kind of large technogenic structure with robotnik's logo visible in the distance
>get hyped
>get to the end of the zone
>transition to hidden palace
>get hyped even more
>fight a random unicycle-riding jackass
what the fuck was that about

>>387314516
not an argument

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>>387311131
I'm fucking pissed there's still no torrent

>>387303221
Even the Advance/Rush games weren't that good.
How Dimps managed to hold onto Sonic for so long is a mystery to me but I'm glad their fuck up caught up with them.

>>387314550
Knuckles gets the better boss fight

>>387314550
Knuckle's version is definitely more appropriate.

>>387311306
3D sonic doesn't work

>>387306642
>HOWEVER once I reached act 2 of Lava reef I encountered a spot in which you are forced to glide. Now it is a bottomless pit and once you try to glide you turn super if you have 50+ rings which will cancel your glide and leave you in a free fall state in which you can't start gliding again. This coupled with the fact that the closest checkpoint is far enough away for you to easily build 50+ rings makes this some serious shit.
Had the same fucking thing happen to me. The rings in the middle of the glide got me over 50 which meant I was dead the moment I touched the wall on the other end. Completely idiotic level design.

>>387300341
REMINDER
Good classic sonic games:
Sonic 2
Sonic CD
Sonic 3&k

Good modern sonic games
Sonic advance 1-3
Sonic rush
Sonic rivals
Sonic heroes
Sonic adventure 2 battle
Sonic unleashed
Sonic and the black knight
Sonic colors
Sonic generations
Sonic boom fire and ice

Sonic was always good/ had good games
The racism needs to end
Also mania doesn't count as classic but more like other in this case but if you want to consider it classic go ahead

>>387314641
My only complaints with the game are
>Super transformation isn't bound to an unused button
I don't care what you say about being authentic, there's no reason to not have this
>Unlock abilities can't be used in a normal save run
There's no reason to do this, just have the only place you can't use them Time Trial
Other than these major flaws I'm mostly content

>>387312274
>can still use shiled boosts if you don't wanna transform yet
You can do this in the OG 3&K too you just couldn't use the Insta-Shield
What Complete allows however is to transform into Super/Hyper while having an elemental shield. In the original you had to lose your shield to be able to transform.

>>387314550
I mean it's technically hidden PALACE so a knight kinda makes sense. Still makes me wonder if maybe there was an extra scrapped stage though

also >>387314154
>heavy gunner has an old-timey sheriff badge
>Studiopolis act 2 has a bunch of flashy stages everywhere
makes me wonder if gunner and magician were possibly going to be swapped at some point

>>387314441
what the fuck, you're right
I just googled "sonic 1" and grabbed a random image

>>387306642
The platforms that go up and down with a bunch of spikes on the floors and ceiling in titanic monarch can sometimes just crush you before you even know you're on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnzqa3YHycI

>>387313880
The colors in a single screen shot of Mania would never happen on a Genesis not to mention the animation and manipulation of sprites and backgrounds