*saves your genre*

By rehashing what was done 20 years ago?

>>387297656
yes

What's the bottom game?

>>387297592
They're practically selling you Doom/Build wads or idTech 1 mods

>>387298612
Bombshell BUILD edition

Also, Dusk ain't gonna save shit. Painkiller was much better and it didn't do much. I appreciate the Blood atmosphere, though

t. finished the beta

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>>387297592
Can't wait for Ion Maiden.

>>387298773
those games are still good, what's your point?
do you think you are entitled to get shit for free just because it's built on older technology?

>>387299223
Where did you get it?

>>387299223
give me a dl link bae

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Apparently it's going to have alt. fire modes and different ammo types. God I hope it's good.

>>387300360
that's a big gun

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>>387301547
4 U

>>387298773
id tech 1 mods are more fun and better made than Dusk.

>>387301602
What is that imaginary ass caliber?

>>387299749
>bae
the punishment is death

>>387297592
Are these going to be on gog.com?

>>387299223
Wait what? I thought Bombshell already had her own game?

>>387302302
Ion Maiden is a prequel to Bombshell.

>>387302470
Ooooh, who's making it?

Is Overload good? i've been thinking into buying it for so long. I loved Sublevel Zero but it was short in content.

>>387301753
38 speshul

>>387302558
Devs called Voidpoint, made up of various mappers in the Duke 3D community as well as guys responsible for eDuke32.

>>387302767
Ugh, a community effort. Is it safe?
Like no drama over assets and laziness?

>>387302812
That I don't know.

>>387300360
It sure looks swell. If this is really Build they've got some competent level designers.

>>387302848
Eh, well. I'll be cautiously optimistic about this, it's been a while since I've played a Build game.

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>>387302812
Well it's an official game and all, not just something being made by a group of fans.

>>387300360
>shilling this blatantly

>>387303313
If I knew more about it, I'd fucking shill it. I desperately want more Build engine games.

>>387297656
Acording To /v/ yes.l mean /v/ bitch about 2016 Doom because it Isnt a reharsh of the classics...

>>387298773
selling me things i want is good

>>387298773
>idTech 1 mods

I wish.

I'd pay fullprice for a feature-length FPS with the quality of Arcane Dimensions

>>387302613
Yes It's fucking perfect
>>387303527
Doom 2016 didn't rehash anything

>>387302613
Sublevel Zero recently got a serious injection of content, judging from a news post I read. I haven't booted it up yet to check, but it sounds promising.

Please add Black Mesa to this.

>>387298773
That's exactly what nostalgiafriends want

>>387300360
That revolver looks fucking retarded. Why the fuck can devs never make a decent looking revolver?

>>387299223
>Painkiller tried to do that alre-
that 17 years ago.

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>>387297592
>saves your genre

>>387306175

Well, the HD re-release is recent. Dusk has very barebones MP and the campaign mostly not up to par with Quake's best levels. It's still fun, but I don't think it's gonna do anything for "classic style" shooters

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>>387306093

>>387306310
>not up to par with Quake's best levels
That's a really fucking high bar to reach, you know.

>>387306175
>>387306310
Samefagging just to say, this is based on the Beta, and that I do know the game will be episodic in three parts and this is just the first episode

>>387306349
Well, if you're gonna re-release an "old-style" FPS in 2017, it better do some things better than the classics + its shittons of high quality mods. If it doesn't...Why does it even exist?

>>387303527
Nu-doom was fucking shit. It's casualized garbage, slow, tiny arena's, funnels, no open world, deep deep fucking cancer.

1/10 would not pirate again.

>>387306310
Ive only seen some streamerfag play a bit of the first episode and it looks alright, not up there with arcane dimensions or anything but some solid stuff, it also comes with a level editor (it's unity but specific editing tools) so i can see some good stuff coming it out of it.

>>387297592
>Ion Maiden
Looks promising
>Dusk
Will be shit
>Overload
what

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>>387306417
>no open world
I hope you meant no non-linear stages otherwise you're a big faggot.

>>387306387
To invigorate the genre that's been essentially dead for the past 15-20 years and, hopefully, inspire other devs to make more. Not being better than the best isn't exactly a crime and even if Dusk was better than Quake, nobody would admit it.

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...D-do I belong here guise?

>>387306602
No.

>>387306506
>Overload
>what
Modern Descent from former Descent devs. Feels pretty spot-on wit Descent 1 or 2.

>>387306557
I think doom1 and 2 was open world, as you were free to traverse the map any way you pleased (bar some keycards) but feel free to be all autistic about how you exactly name what we both understand.

>>387306387
So why does any fps exist after Doom?

>>387306558
>even if Dusk was better than Quake, nobody would admit it.
I guarantee you everyone would cream their pants. Quake had held a modding community for over 20 years based mostly on the quality of its SP. These guys would absolutely dabble in something that's their lifelong passion, only better

>>387306621
This is /v/, anon. Tastelessness has no fucking bounds here, you know that.

>>387306621
>doom1 and 2 was open world
That phrase is never used to describe Doom 1 or 2. The games are very linear, just sometimes you can take 2 paths to get to the keycard.

>>387306679
ok bro

>>387306621
There's a reason we have terms for specific things. When you start using them so loosely they lose their meaning. Doom is not open world. Duke was not open world. And so on. They're not linear in the sense that you just move down from one corridor to the next, like Halo or CoD, but 'open world' it certainly is not.

>>387306506
>Overload
>what
play this http://store.steampowered.com/app/450220/Overload_Playable_Teaser_20/
its a couple of months old build but you get the idea

>>387306637
Many new shooters added things Doom didn't do well, or couldn't do at all, like verticality.

A quality design always warrants a new game. Tribes was going for something completely different than anything before it, for example

>>387306714
It isn't fucking "open world." I'm sorry, it's just not.

>>387306093
The ForeverWar of cool or at least "Creative" looking weapons vs stuff that looks plausible. If you make alot of cool and plausible weapons normies would probably complain that all the weapons look about the same.

That stupid revolver is supposed to in some way become a stand-in signature for the main character.

>>387306719
One of the best things about the original Halo is how open it was, though.

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>>387306719
>>387306753
I dont think anybody cares about an obscure naming convention other than no-life retards. I'm sorry open world games raped your dad, but it's not my problem. Doom 1 and doom 2 are open world to me, because you play in a world, that's open, badum tisj.

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>>387306093
>Why the fuck can devs never make a decent looking revolver?
and the reload sound on this thing is fucking amazing

>>387306775
Are people seriously getting upset over ridiculous guns in an fps? God forbid we get interesting weapons like the BFG, Shrinker, or Wraithverge to play with.

>>387306719
by that logic farcry or crysis also isn't open world, what a dumb idea to define a term so loosely.

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>>387306846
>open world
>obscure

Nigger, GRAND THEFT AUTO is open world. And that's a series a few people have heard of.

>>387306836
>Halo
>open
The first game, at least, is 90% corridors.

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>>387306846
>Michael Jackson is death metal to me, I'm sorry if you disagree, that's just how I see it

>>387306951
You're giving him free (you)s, call him a dumbass and move on. Dumbass.

>>387306945
Are you fucking retarded? How did you come to that conclusion? Man, you people are the epitome of stupid.

>>387306965
>The first stage, at least, is 90% corridors.
Fixed.

>>387306976
I called him a nigger and moved on.

>>387307000
Oh please, you know as well as I do that most of the game takes place in tight rooms and literal copy-pasted hallways in the Library and the totem backtracking horseshit.

>>387307001
That's acceptable too. Now let's talk FPS guns, what's your favorite?
I like schofields from Serious Sam, and the Chaingun from Doom

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>>387306951
calm your autism bro. Nobody was comparing doom to gta. Stop being mad jeez, I'm just saying doom is traditionally an open world game, because you play in an open world.
>>387306970
>false analogy
wew lad, looks like somebody still hasn't enjoyed their debating class lessons in high school!

It's literally people getting angry because someone else doesn't adhere to their made-up naming convention. Never change /v/ ;)

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>>387307043
It's chaotic as shit, but the freezethrower is one of my all-time favorites.

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>>387307043
>Dragonclaw
>Wraithverge
>Shrinker/Expander
>Lightbringer
>Pulse Rifle (Turok)

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>>387307067
>DOOM is an RPG, because you play the ROLE of Doomguy!
Yeah, OK

>>387307137
I'm currently playing Hexen 2. I wish Heretic II was on Steam

Hexen 2 is really good, if a bit bland. On the hardest difficulty it's no joke, especially if you're using a melee class. Your shit needs to be on point

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>>387307142
> another false analogy
maybe you should just wait for your debating class before you post any further ;)
Seriously though, you should take your autism pills. You seem to be having a problem keeping it together when you hear someone correctly state that doom is an open world game.

>>387307207
I really liked Heretic 2. I wonder how it holds up.

As someone whos never played Quake but loves Doom and Blood, should I give Arcane Dimensions a try? It seems awesome

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>>387307043
>just started watching Batman and Harley
>very first sound effect you hear is from a police officer firing his gun
>it's the Doom pistol sound effect
Not important, just thought it was interesting.

>>387306602
/v/ was shitting on it pretty hard. Too bad, it looked like it had promise.

>>387307308
It holds up just fine. Controls are tight and the combat is still amazing, especially the melee combat.

>>387307329
Play regular Quake first, dude. AD is completely based on playing on and expanding Quake's ideas (to the point of some maps being Quoth-style remix maps), you won't appreciate it as much without the contrast.

>>387307040
No, it really doesn't. I know it's hip and all to hate Halo, but at release one of the most widely praised aspects of the game in reviews was the open level design being a nice change from the typical cramped hallways of the time, with the Library being an unpleasant exception.

>>387307227
Not him, but open ended levels=/=open world.
Two completely different things.

>>387307453
Well guess what? It's not open. Go play it again.

>>387306945
Do farcry and crysis have separate discrete levels with huge buttons that literally say "exit" and no way to get back to any of the previous levels?

>>387306321
but revolver in pic is .22 not .38

>>387303018
Same level designer as Duke Nukem Forever 2013. A god tier Duke 3D mod.

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>>387307329
>>387307392
Also, the original Quake is incredible, and everyone should experience it. It's so fucking atmospheric.

>>387306846
How is it open when you literally close the way to a level once you hit the exit button? And how do they play in a world? Do you call levels worlds now? Even mario 3 didn't do that.

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>>387307517
I guess anything can be a corridor if your sense of scale is off.

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>>387307554
>Same level designer as Duke Nukem Forever 2013
Sign me the fuck up. I love that mod.

>>387307329
Play Q1 immediately.

https://www.quaddicted.com/quake/recommended_engines

QuakeSpasm is easy to set up, including the CD audio (Steam version doesn't have it)

>>387307553
Go away, /k/.

>>387307610
Something something exception to the rule.

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>>387307453
Halo's barren open environments suck Unreal's dick, and neither measure up to Serious Sam's war levels.

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>>387307137
How do you feel about pic related

>>387307663
This may be blasphemy to NIN fans, but I almost prefer no music. The ambiance is quite good without it.

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>>387307706
It can't be an exception when it's most of the game.

>>387307813
>it's most of the game
Nope.

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>>387307767
Hexen, the Mage, or the Sapphire Wand? Love them all.

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>>387307575
>>387307518
>>387307464
t. people angry over how some 2,5 decade old game is categorized over some obscure naming convention

Idunno, it's an open world, since ur free to do what you want. open worlds are non-lineair by default and I know plenty of open world games that also use different maps. I'm sorry if this triggers you but maybe you should grow a thicker skin. Maybe it's a sign of FPS gamers having a dead genre for the past 10 years or so (see OP). Doom isn't the same as GTA, but it's definitely open world. Whining about how YOU think in what box it falls doesn't bring you a good doom game, that time has passed, sadly.

>>387307901
Mainly the sapphire wand, what a fucking beast of a starting weapon

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>>387307841
Perhaps your idea of what "corridor" means is off.

>>387307963
Indeed it is. It might be weak in its individual damage but with infinite range, ammo, near-hitscan projectile velocity, and the ability to pierce through any number of enemies, with the right positioning it can kill dozens of enemies at once.

>>387307813
>>387307841
>>387308017

The Silent Cartographer is the only level I remember actually being wide open, seeing as you can drive the whole way around the island and go wherever you want up until you get to the indoors part.

The rest of the levels are essentially very large corridors, usually canyons, tunnels and bridges with maybe a few big round arenas in between them. You still need to move in a singular direction to proceed through the level.
Halo 2 was like this as well. There was room for different approaches since the corridor was so large, but it definitely was not open design like old keycard-door FPS games were.

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>all the dumb shit and underage in this thread

>Doom 1 and 2 was great cause it was open world, nu-Doom sucks cause it wasn't
>I'm sorry open world raped your dad I don't care about names :^)

>>387308223
At least one of them is clearly baiting for replies. I have too much faith in random posters to believe he's being that obtuse for anything other than (You)'s.

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Did you know PONG is open world? You can move up or you can move down! You know, "open world!"

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>Dusk
LOL

>>387308957
What am I supposed to be laughing at here?

>>387309046
At a goofy early model.

All of these neo-retro FPS games tend to have shit level design. The best you can hope for from the creatively bankrupt devs who resort to making shallow copies of old games are levels that are simply inoffensive and forgettable and aren't locked arena garbage.

>>387308957
Fuck you Leather man

>>387306621
>I'll use this term incorrectly but fuck you if you correct me because we all know what I mean faggots.

>>387306621
Are you fucking retarded?

>>387307908
Anon, when several people all claim that you're fucking retarded at the same time over an idea, there might just be something to that claim.

Maybe instead of disregarding everything you hear instantly, consider their points.

Any video footage of Ion maiden?

>>387299223
Painkiller had garbage level and enemy design, it's all linear corridors with enemies running straight at you.

>>387311879
No.

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>>387311537
>>387309768
>>387310617
> muh hivemind fallacy, sans argument

Oh shit man, pls stop it. you're hurting yourself at this point. I'm dealing with edgy teenagers again who can't into basic reasoning. Look if you wanna go full autismos and argue angrily over some loose definition, doesn't that make you a little sad inside that your genre is so dead that that's all there is to talk about according to you?

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>>387306621
Doom is linear as fuck. It was extremely rare that you could do anything but Blue Key > Yellow Key > Red Key in order (unless there was some sort of ledge runoff sequence break or a Secret Room that led into a quick shortcut), and the areas behind their respective doors were straight routes and/or loops right back to the door you came in. Any "open" parts (like many of the shitty DOOM II maps on Earth) were an aimless easter egg hunt until you found the key to open up the next area.

>>387312781
By that definition literally nothing can be open world. Gating is done in so many games man, I'm not sure how your brain works.

>>387312781
Doom has strict limits on where you can go etc but generally if you have the keys use switches/triggers etc you can go anywhere you want in the map
>aimless easter egg hunt
ahhh you are one of those "people"

>>387312756
Sorry dude, I think you are retarded.

>>387312781
Doom 1-2's PROGRESSION is linear (ie: map1 > map 2 > map 3 ... plus the "get key to door A and B & C ...).

However, you are seldom truly funneled towards your next objective and item pickup. Instead, you tend to have a set of circular hallways, open spaces and other kinda open-ended paths, from which you need to locate the key items you need. If there is even such things - as there was entire maps that didn't exactly REQUIRE you to find keys, but instead switches and stuff, leaving keys for purely extra, secret areas, that were not crucial for your progress.

Meanwhile, NuDuum does just the opposite, and often even has the key item sitting right next to the door it opens.

>Most of these older games have modding communities making content for years, that comes in many numbers of varity and qualities.
>Somehow people will buy this shit