What the fuck has Sonic Team been doing for the past 15 years?

>>387287986

cocaine is a hell of a drug

Playing follow the leader instead of being confident with what they had.

Making shitty 3D games.

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>I'M ONLY HUMAN, AFTER ALL

NOW REVIEWS MATTER

TROO FRAR MRANIA TREAM

>>387288142
>TROO FRAR
Where is this from?

>>387288026
Welcome to sonic team we makes games I think!?

>>387288093

The reviews are still too low. This is clearly a 9/10

>>387287986
>86
It's FUcking Nothing

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>>387288491
I dunno, 86 seem insanely high to me

>>387287986
And then there comes forces with a low 70

>>387288913
I remember when this was revealed and people were saying it was going to save sonic.

>>387288491
For Sonic it might as well be a masterpiece rating. Rise of Lyric is fucking garbage.

>>387289172
It was basically Sonic 06 v2
I recall reading that the developers made the teaser trailer as if it would be a ps4/XBone game. But when they were made aware it was for WiiU, a shitton of features were cut to accomadate.
That's why multiplayer looks like ass.
That's why the towns are barren
That's why the game turned out to be garbage.

>>387287986
Dealing with their parent company's financial incompetence for the past 22 years, resulting in each game having to maximize its profit margin to keep everyone afloat.

>>387288080
>work in retail
>hear this song
>hear it everyday
>begin to hate it
Goddammit

Sonic Mania being so good means Sonic Forces will pay big time since Sonic Team can't make good games anymore.

Why didn't they just make 2D games this whole time?

>>387287986
pso

>>387287986
>86
That's fuckin pathetic lmao this is what Sonic fans are hyping up as the second cumming of Christ?

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>>387288026
WHAT THE FUCK IS A SONIC

>>387289934
Sonic earned this instead of having riding off its name like Zelda did.

THE SKY WITH STARS SO BRIGHT
THE COLORS FEEL SO RIGHT

2D sonic isn't hard to make right, if the developers don't get too lazy. the other factor is of course, timing. and after several bad to subpar attempts, now is a good time to take advantage by going back to the series' roots (or capitalize on the nostalgia, depending on how you wanna see it).

but how long are we gonna see this success? SM will likely see a sequel, but capitalizing on nostalgia can only take you so far. Even capcom didn't give us Mega Man 11, knowing this. by the 3rd or 4th sequel, people will get tired of this eventually, and will start questioning sega for some level of innovation that's more befitting of modern gaming, i.e; a 3D game, most likely.

Sonic Forces is coming, but based on previous track records, expectations are low. and if that bombs, Sega still needs to figure out how to fix 3D sonic, while 2D sonic is in the limelight.

>Some bunch of indies can get better scores than the main devs of Sega

and people complain why that trash company stopped making hardware. Because they suck.

Sonic team wasn't allowed to copy more than half their game from previous entries.

>>387289514
Of course you'd get tired of it. Anyone would.
You're only human, after all.

Whoa, what's that? If you listen to your fans you get critical and financial success? I'd love to be in the Sonic Team offices right now seeing like 20 super fans make a way better game than they ever could. Fucking magical day

>>387290192

http://www.metacritic.com/game/game-boy-advance/sonic-the-hedgehog-genesis

>2D sonic isn't hard to make right, if the developers don't get too lazy.

Well thats the point here, Sonic team is lazy as fuck when developing

>>387287986
>What the fuck has Sonic Team been doing for the past 15 years?
The sonic racing game is an absolute blast bro.

>>387289761
I mean, they kinda have, as seen with Sonic 4. They just weren't that great.

People keep saying "SONIC CAN NEVER WORK IN 3D EVER" but Sega/Sonic Team can hardly even get it to work in 2D either.

>>387290192
Sonic Advance got 3 games so maybe we can hope for something here, especially since the original Sonic games are a trilogy if you ignore the bits and bobs.

Maybe they'll let Pagoda West do a 3D sonic, polygon style. That'd be neat.

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>>387289514
I love it because it always reminds me of the fucking trainwreck Mass Autismo was

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>>387290192
I still never understood why they abondened the Sonic Adventure style gameplay after 06.

06 wasn't a bad game because of the adventure style, it was bad because it was an unfinished turd. Yet they never revisited the Sonic / Shadow levels that made Adventure / Adventure 2 a success.

I just can't stand Boost, personally. It's so dull.

>>387290435
that was made by Sumo

>>387290710
>Mass Effect
>Inhumans
The song is like a warning that whatever it's playing in a trailer for will be shit.

>>387287986
They made Puyo Puyo Tetris, so that's something.

>>387290813
This

>>387289761
The Sonic Advance and Rush games are breddy gud 2D Sonics.
Of course, if you're playing them for the first time after playing Mania, breddy gud won't cut it.

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>>387287986

>>387290106
Zelda was coming off of turds like Skyward Sword and Triforce Heroes. BOTW wasn't riding on reputation.

>>387290429
which was a blessing for Sega since ST didn't developed SM & why i'm expecting SF to garner a low score because of it.

though i hope they don't get any ideas outsourcing equates to better games. Big Red Button Entertainment, anyone?

>>387290830
forgive me, i guess they really are trash.

>>387287986
SONIC
WAS
NEVER
G O O D

Not letting the fans just make the games already cause they know what they want while Sonic Team does not in the slightest.

>>387291095
>Skyward
>bad

>>387290435
>implying a kart racer was made by Team Sonic

>>387291232
It wasn't that amazing. It wasn't bad either. Just kind of meh.

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>>387291156
Here's that (You) you wanted.

>>387291232
its a dreadful game, you couldn't pay me to play it.

>endless tutorials, Fi will never shut up
>the pre-dungeon areas are just linear dungeons
>emptiest "overworld" in the series
>endless waggling
>fighting The Imprisoned over and over
>recycling areas

BARF

>>387290813
why can't they do a boost game with no 2d segments, parts that slowdown and make you explore like adventure 1/2, and chao garden

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Fun fact

Sonic Team removed their logo from Sonic 06 mere hours before shipping finalized code. A review build located some time later still has their logo play in the startup

https://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=35193

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nyBENf2qf8 (shown in order of ps3, 360, 360 review build)

>>387291608
the point being: sonic team has completely lost all hope

>>387291001
Dimps use to be a fine studio before they just seemed to start losing the plot, though their fetish for speed boosters and bottomless pits were always prevalent in all their Sonic games, even their good ones like the Advance and Rush games.

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>>387287986

>Iizuka was surprised at how much positive reception Mania got upon announcement

Fuck the guy. His head is shoved too far up his own ass to understand what people want out of Sonic, 2D or 3D.

>>387290813
Heroes garnered lower scores from reviewers than Adventure 2. we don't even need to mention 06. Unleashed wasn't the hit they were expecting it to be, being an average game like Heroes.

whether it was because people got tired of the gameplay style or it didn't compare to more solid platformers, Sega nevertheless likely jumped to conclusion thinking "3D sonic = average".

>>387291873
He's in cloud cuckoo land. He needs to retire already.

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>>387290356
Fuck you

>>387291924
NO, FUCK YOU, LEATHERMAN.

>>387291873
The old guard Japs at Sega are some of the most arrogant and witless fucks on this planet.

>>387291608
The sad thing is that Sonic 06 was probably quite profitable selling over 2 million copies.

>>387291915
Don't you mean in cloud cucky land?

Cucky is the actual name of the tiny roosters you save.

>>387292140
Yes I know. I've watched the Cybershell video.

>>387289406
>multiplayer
What? There's no multiplayer in Sonic Boom last I checked

>>387290813
>unfinished turd
Even if they finished it the game would still be a turd. No one liked Sonic 06's dumb side missions or story at all.

>>387291709
The game was rushed as hell and they knew that but SEGA wanted that game out during Sonic's anniversary no matter what. It's not an exaggeration to say they shipped an unfinished game.

>>387289761
Like it or not, 3D Sonic is more popular and makes more money.

I feel like Sonic Team should just become Puyo Team at this point and leave making Sonic to fan groups. Taxman and crew keep making Mania sequels while Lange and crew make Sonic Utopia official.

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>>387292378
Even if the game was rushed to hell and back, I have absolutely no idea how having to reload the entire hub world just for a side-mission giver to present one line of dialogue, then reload the entire hub world again for the actual side-mission made it past the first month of development.

>>387292501
The useless Sega old guard will never let Sonic completely out of their hands because they would have absolutely nothing to hide behind anymore.

>>387289947
What have we done? What have we done to Sonic Ray!

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>>387292501
>Mania has Puyo Puyo in as a bonus game
>Taxman & friends are actually making a power play to completely replace Sonic Team

>>387292378
>It's not an exaggeration to say they shipped an unfinished game.

Isn't it literally an earlier beta they slapped on a disc because they couldn't fix a bug that crashed the game in their (otherwise far more polished) final build?

Not that it really matters. Sonic 06 is fundamentally mediocre at best. Being a broken mess is almost a saving grace for the game. At least people remember it nowadays in a so bad it's good way. If it functioned as well as it could it would have just led sonic to a slow painful death of mediocrity rather than forcing sonic team to either shape the fuck up right goddamn now or die instantly following it.

>>387292810
I want Taxman Team to be a thing.

ROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND

>>387292854
>so bad it's good
no, it's just an infamously bad game that people watch for the personality of the streamer that will comment on it.

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>>387292863
Getting Sonic Team off of Sonic and Puyo Puyo would finally give them the opportunity to make Billy Hatcher 2.

>>387292978
Ah yes, the sequel I've needed for years.
Or hell, a Ristar sequel.

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>Large professional team who has been around for years, working on the same franchise for decades
>Get not only beaten out, but absolutely destroyed by two autists who make a bunch of rom hacks and some spic doing the music
How does this even happen? Why is Sonic Team such a joke?

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Will Sonic Forces persuade meme whore journalists to rectify this injustice?

>>387291915

Hopefully someday Iizuka will embarrass himself to the point of no return and be pressured into retiring. Although I have no idea what could be bad enough for Sega to do that.

>>387293089
Sonic Team have no passion. The two autists and the spic have enough passion to fill up a stadium.

>>387287986
it's funny people think sonic team is the same as it was back then. just because Sega gave a new team the same name doesn't make it so. think people.

>>387293103
Well Sonic Forces is basically the same game, just with a more cringe looking story.

>>387293103

In retrospect 76 is accurate

the modern stages are (generally) pretty solid but the classic ones are inoffensive and the challenges range from nothing special to outright awful. Also fuck the final boss.

>>387289172

cause the team working on it was ex-naughty dog

turns out they were ex-naughty dog for a reason

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>>387293089
Wasn't it made by people who worked on Sonic fangames? They community could make some A+ games, even if some of the best ones were just demos.
I'm pretty sure the Mania devs made XG which was pretty damn good.

>>387293278
It just had a shit ton of padding to increase playtime.
Then you look at Mania and people are just replaying it from the start again after finishing it because it's so fun.

>>387293358
Hell, even Naughty Dog proper is shit now.

Someone post the fake ign review that the real ign reviewer got mad at and had it taken down

>>387293089
Because sonic team is all westaboos which is the worst kind of japanese.

>>387293419
Taxman created the Retro Engine which he made a tech demo for called Retro Sonic The Hedgehog which showed how 1:1 the physics were. Then another group of people used that engine to make Sonic Nexus that showed the amount of effects and shit the engine could also do. Stealth made a Sonic level maker and was the head of Sonic Megamix's dev.

>>387287986
Being incredibly incompetent morons with their heads shoved far up their asses. They should've never been allowed to develop another Sonic game after the colossal failure that was Sonic '06.

>>387289934
This is SONIC we're talking about. A Metacritic score of 86 may not be so impressive for Mario or whatever, but for Sonic, whose Metacritic scores for recent games tend to be in the 70's or below, it actually is quite impressive.

>>387293089
i imagine cognitive dissonance

>we've been at it for years, we know what makes a good Sonic game
>60-70/100? that's pretty good!
>the fans don't know what's best for the franchise. Did they get a 60-70/100 from a reviewer? no? then shut up!

>>387293539

They've only recently started letting non-Japanese devs touch Sonic for major titles.

>>387287986
Being broken up, being put back together, having Sega constantly fucking with their projects, being forced to reinvent Sonic to try to recapture the magic because no one believed that it would ever sell as a 2d game ever again and making levels in which you could go super fast on in 3d take a shit load of effort to model for the level of polish that Sega wants. It took a bunch of fan game makers doing remakes on mobile to convince Sega otherwise.

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>new

>>387290813
Adventure style gameplay was at its core a stopgap measure caused by the difficulty of making 3d sonic levels by including a lot of non-fast elements like adventure fields, health bars, and alternate playstyles in remixed levels. They fixed this problem with the Unleashed's Hedgehog engine, but after abandoing the hedgehog engine alternate playstyles had be tainted

>>387293454

Generations has replayability even without the mini-challenges.

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>>387291779

>Slip into a bottomless pit in Advance 3
>Fall for solid 5-10 seconds before dying

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>>387293591

>Did they get a 60-70/100 from a reviewer? no? then shut up!

Nah, they got a 80-90/100.

>>387287986

>Best-reviewed Sonic game of last fifteen years is a glorified ROM hack of games from twenty-five years ago

End this series. It has nothing new to offer.

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>>387293942

>>387293089
Sonic Team's immeasurable number of fuck ups and total misunderstanding of what makes Sonic good has forced a large portion of the fan base to become professors of Sonic game design. Sonic Team has been far more likely to listen to dipshit reviewers than they have been to fans.

You have to understand, this is the same company that took
>We don't like these heavily divergent gameplay styles brought on by the side characters
as
>We want a heavily divergent gameplay style but only if it's also Sonic
And made Sonic Unleashed.

>>387293901
now if only Utopia at least got a metacritic score, that'd be the low blow ST needs.

>>387294249
I'm really looking forward to seeing Utopia's first actual level map instead of the Green Hill testing area.

>>387294185
From what I read, they wanted Unleashed to be daytime like stages but their projected number of stages would have made the game unacceptably short

>>387294325
Because in essence Sonic games are short. That's why there's so much padding in the 3D games. The medal collecting and the Werehog acts were total filler made to increase playtime.

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>>387294325

Boost gameplay by itself isn't enough to make a Boost game stand by itself. That's why they're always padded with werehogs/2D sections/classic Sonic/OCs.

Why they don't make a transition that makes sense like >>387291524 is beyond me. Just like everything else Sonic Team does.

>>387294325

This "games need to be [x] hours long" bullshit needs to die.

Sonic Mania is a short ass game and I've literally spent like ten hours on it so far just replaying it and having a blast exploring and trying to git gud at the special stages. Transformers Devastation was a full sixty bucks, is even shorter than Mania, and is one of my favorite games of this gen. Everyone's favorite games from the early-mid 90's can be beaten in less than three hours (unless they're JRPG fans I guess)

>>387294249
>reviewing a tech demo

>>387294325
I mean they could have just reused each level's assets to give us 2-3 acts of each.

>in 15 years
>2002
So.....Sonic Advance 1?

>>387294703
Hell, aren't the Hedgewolf levels made with mostly reused assets?

>>387294703
That's what Colors did and we got 5/6 acts each zone, with most of those acts feeling like nothing.

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>watch sonic mania's pre-order trailer back in like May or whenever it first dropped
>love it (probably just personal biases but it's probably my favorite trailer ever)
>think it'd be great if the game's title screen or opening FMV just had that video's track in it or something since it was so good

>kept in the dark about as much as possible between when the review codes went out and when the game dropped
>ignored the intro video on youtube for that exact reason
>finally watch it after starting the game up
>intro literally starts with them on the elevator they got in at the end of the pre-order trailer
>music's another amazing track by the same people
>more wonderful animation by my man Tyson

I literally hadn't even touched my controller yet and this game was already my GOTY.

>>387294703
>>387294876

They need layouts for the levels, Anon.

>>387294703
A lot of the daytime stages felt like a series of blocks floating in thin-air between behind-the-back boost sections. It was lazy.

>>387291873
Expecting Japs to accept that it was the west that made Sonic so damn popular.

>>387294954
Game's amazing, anon. Enjoy.

>>387290269
>Sonic Team is all of Sega

>>387294703
They did, but all non-act-1 stages were very short and centered around a specific gimmick, like having a level all about walljumping

>>387292978
>>387293042
Maybe even a Monkey ball 3. A man can dream

>>387292807
>>387292807
>>387289947
>>387288026
I can't believe he deleted that episode.

>WELCOME TO JONTRONSHOW WE MAKE REVIEWS I THINK

>>387295160
Or just fucking port Super Monkey Ball 1+2 to modern platforms at the least.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTqrzwz6c8c
>How to improve perfection

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>>387292807
>jontron privated alot of his older work

>>387295212
He felt it was below the quality he wanted his channel to now represent. Don't know why, shit was pretty funny

>>387289172
>>387289406
Literally blame Nintendo. Dead serious.
Nintendo made the deal with Sega to make Sonic Boom Wii-U exclusive, despite the game never running on WiiU compatible hardware. Shit had to be redone and remade in a hasty fashion. The Cryengine barely runs on WiiU and it shows. The overwhelming work made team members leave left and right.

>>387294534
I think the length expectations for a throwback game are different from a AAA title

Even after all Sega had done i understand why they failed and feel bad for their inability to get their shit together. Their chosen gimmick became their downfall

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>>387295247

>Improving perfection

Wrong link, anon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZVSqQaRJfQ

>>387295212

it's just unlisted like all his other old good shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggo4RcynMrQ

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>>387295086
Wrong thread, buddy.

The Pokemutant thread's a few blocks down.

>>387294583
>tech demo far better than the finished product from the official devs

do you not like the idea of a good laugh, anon?

>>387295394
Can't let Disney-sama get angry

>>387287986
Ignored, with the force of a thousand suns, the concept of maybe people want more sonic and it doesn't need reinvented.

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>>387295458
I'd like to get a hold of all of his unlisted videos

>>387289406
>Sonic 06 v2

For it to be Sonic 06 v2, people would have to be excited for it

No one was excited for Boom

>>387295212
>>387295394
Its so ironic seeing him bash George Lucas while simultaneously trying to curate his old content years later
https://youtu.be/nc4UtUqCZK0?t=11

What were your favorite boss fights? Mine are:

Chemical Plant 2 > Hydrocity 1 > Stardust 2

>>387295458
I know but he still deleted them.
>>387295573
https://www.youtube.com/user/JasonCupetaVEVO
For you.

>>387295581
Most of it was because
>WiiU

Actually, what was with Wii/WiiU/3DS getting a lot of one-off shit Sonic exclusives anyhow? Do their execs just think kids are too dumb to know what a good game is?

>>387295581

There were a few people who were optimistic for it. Then we got the "I WANT ROCKY ROAD ICE CREAM" clip.

>>387295624

You want real irony look at the fact that he made a video mocking Lucas doing this shit and then unlisted it years later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC8m1gOCppc

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>>387295647
thanks nig

>>387295674
Didn't they have a deal with Nintendo that a whole set of games was going to be on their consoles? and after Lost Worlds they just gave up and let some other studio shit one out to fill the quota, hence Boom

>>387295740
I still laugh at that clip whenever I see it

>>387295835
Yeah, Sega had a contract with Nintendo to make three Sonic games for them. First was one of the Mario/Sonic Olympics games, second was Lost World and third was Boom. Probably one of the reasons why Lost World felt more like a Mario game half the time compared to a Sonic game.

>>387291095
>Triforce Heroes
>turd

Friendless melvin detected

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>>387295643

I haven't finished yet, but so far:

Stardust Speedway 2 > Mirage Saloon 2

>>387295643
Both of Studiopolis' are great. Honestly I have a hard time narrowing it down any more than that since Mania has incredible boss fights. I can't think of a single outright bad one.

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>>387295881

>Eggman's ship is attacking!

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>>387290813
>Adventure 1's hubworld was boring and shit
>06 made it even worse
>now there's shitty missions in said hubworld
06
No amount of polish would of saved that turd. Adventure 2 got it right, plot and stages that's it.

also no chao garden, no buy

>>387296104
Stop, you're making me chuckle.

>>387296092
>The wind blowing chicken from Mushroom Hill being a weatherman and changing expression when the weather changed
Fucking
Cute

>>387295643

Flying Battery 2 > Chemical Plant 2 > Hydrocity 1 is my top 3 so far, but I haven't quite finished. Just about to start Oil Ocean

>>387295417
Yeah man it sure was below the quality of angry /pol/-fueled political rants. Wise man that Jon.

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Can a second player take control of Knuckles if you ply as Sonic alone with & Knuckles enabled?

>>387295835
I still want a second stab at Lost World.

That on-rails'ish camera setup with rotating environments could make for a decent 3d Sonic game (and happen to play like a 2d Sonic once you hit a wall to scale).

>>387296092
Some of them are waaay too easy, Studiopolis Act 2, for example. You can body the fuck out of Eggman before the first attack even comes out.

>>387287986
fapping to rogue and amy

>>387295643
Press Garden 2 was hype as fuck.

>>387288913
>>387289172
incompetent san fran hipster studio
outsourced a shitload of work to another studio because they couldnt make their cryengine game work on the wiiU

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>>387288080
>>387289514
>>387290356

AFTER ALL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXYeARRyDWk

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KNUCKLES
KNUUUUCKLES

>>387295160
Amusement Vision was shut down long ago, anon. It wouldn't be the same at all. Same reason why the next F-Zero (if it ever happens) will be a letdown.

>>387295643
You listed two of my favorites too, Chemical Plant isn't really up there for me but I just suck at puzzle games so that's why.

I loved Mirage Saloon 2

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>>387296581

Am I the only one that likes Human After All more than Homework and RAM? Not as good as Discovery and Alive 2007 is on a whole nother level but it's easily my third favorite of their stuff.

>>387295835
That deal is actually why the Taxman (aka definitive) versions of Sonic 1 and 2 are only on mobile, since the Nintendo exclusivity deal kept them from being released on rivaling consoles as they were released within the same time frame.

Hopefully we'll see them on pc eventually. Can't imagine they would be hard to port using Mania's updated Retro engine.

>>387295643

Is there something I'm missing about the Stardust 2 bossfight? I find that shit to be the only lowpoint in the entire game, the only time where I just want to stop playing. I think it's tedious and takes longer to beat than the actual stage.

What is it that I need to do to make this be one of the best bosses, and not the boring random slogfest I currently find it to be?

>>387287986

Using the money they made in the 90s on hookers and blow throughout the 00s, then slowly but steadily sobering up when the money ran dry in the 10s.

>>387297126

Mania originally started as just a smaller game (presumably the four original stages only or something to that extent) bundled with the ports so I assume they're getting a port sooner or later.

>>387297169

realize it's piss easy dealing with the robo sonics by just spindashing into them when they spindash

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>>387288080
>The face of a man who knows hes about to be demoted or shitcanned.

Like the old Tales of Series director he too was a fucking hack who left after being "Promoted".

>>387295213
I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

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>>387296759

Alive 2007=Discovery>Homework>Tron>RAM>Human After all

If they cut the Human After All tracks by about 2 minutes, they'd be a lot better. They all last longer than they should.

>>387289029
You mean low 60, right? That shit will be garbage like all the rest.

>>387297512
I expect Forces will be either in the 60 or 70 mark.

>>387288060
faggot

>>387295740
Oh god, I don't even remember the context of that quote, but the delivery of it just played perfectly in my head.
That was getting posted for weeks.

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>>387297458
the next man in line did 06 so it's best if he stays. He's the lesser of two evils

>>387294325
I have always thought the werewolf shit was completely ridiculous. It would have been better with Knuckles instaed.

>>387287986
Shit like Sonic and the Black Knight bullshit
And they still haven't given up ambition to completely play off the autism given their next sonic game is deviantshart autism the game.

One step up, 15 years back. Don't worry Mania is just a rarity in their otherwise abysmal bullshit. Forces will show you the true power of Sonic autism.

>>387296297
Seriously why is this not a thing? Always love it when these two team up

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>>387288913

Ah Boom. Your game is dreadful but I love the fuck out of your cartoon

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Knock knock!
& Knuckles Mode unlocked!

>>387297705
He has the same complaints every mostly Nintendo game player has about Sonic.
It's called fucking rolling when you're moving down slopes or whatever. When you do that, you don't get hit.

>>387297705
There is no /ourguy/ with youtubers and streamers, fuck off with this meme you fucking faggot.

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>>387297776

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the game is garbage, regardless of what reviews say, arthur gies was the only one who saw though whitehead's bullshit and called out mania as the overrated pile of filth it is

>>387297638
If it was Knuckles I would've been totally cool with it.

>>387287986

What does Yuji Naka think of Mania?

I need fanart

fanart of Magi-chan

>>387297826

The echidna is correct.

>>387297458
>demoted or shitcanned
The current form of Mania was Iizuka's idea, though. I don't see how he won't partially benefit from Mania's success.

Although the rest of Sonic Team is probably fucked.

>>387297876

I don't know how this guy can show his face after that DOOM showing.

im glad for sonicfriends, they have lived so much time in the shadow

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>>387297826

Exactly the same can be said about mania can be said in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seozErcIZd0

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>>387297638
Knuckles is known as a expert in combat instead of using him for the beat em up portion lets just turn Sonic into a werewolf heck the game even has us searching for ancient temples something Knuckles would be perfect for.

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>>387287986
*teleports behind u*
Nice try, faker.

>>387297826
He calls himself a feminist but he's not afraid to call a woman out on her bullshit, it's safe to say he's not third wave at the very least.

Never change, knuckles.

>>387298054

2001 was over 15 years ago, yes.

>>387297826
>The dumbest character is a feminist
Like pottery

>>387298041
People are too busy playing the game, anon.

>>387298054
"In 15 years" is the important note there, anon.

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>>387297776
Knuckles is the hero we need, but don't deserve.
https://youtu.be/XA1dtqyTRAI

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Confession, I've been bopping my head to Sonic Mania's soundtrack for a day and a half now, i actually can't stop. I need help. The music is so fucking good. Send help.

>>387298134
...wait what?

what fucking year is thi

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>>387297889
I imagine he's happy with it.

>>387297826
Didn't this part get some white knight bitching about it to the team?

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>Have to hug the wall to get the emerald,
Why is this horrible game getting good reviews again?

>>387298135
Yet he has a better understanding of it

>>387298245
Cause you take it up the ass, anon.

>>387297826
>>387297776
Where's the best place to obtain/watch this?

>>387287986
Sonic team didnt even make mania

>>387298202

You are now aware that people born shortly after SA1 came out are now in high school.

>>387298197
There's no cure I'm sorry anon

>>387292429
prove it

3d sonic costs a lot more money to make, I doubt it's profitable seeing how shit the games are

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>a fucking romhack is better than anything the Sonic Team has produced in years

>>387289172
The sonic cycle, you just have to ignore them.

>>387298386

Sorry, mean SA2. For SA1, they're in college.

>>387298308
You can actually find a lot of episodes on Youtube.
Here's a good one.
https://youtu.be/Rb04UXZ5wW4

>>387298386

people born after SA1 came out are about to be old enough to buy cigarettes.

>>387298386
>>387298458
they pretty much can post too as long as they don't state their age, since thye are 1 or 2 years short for that

>>387298353
Could it be that it's exactly what op is implying?

>>387298245
>hug the wall
You can make tighter turns when you jump.

>Sega finally ask the taxman for a S3K
>He demands more creativity freedom for the port
>Sega greenlights it
>Hidden Palace zone is retconed to be a 2 act zone.
>Competition levels get the same treatment and are tied into the story.
>2 completely new levels to make an insane 20 zones game + Doomsday
>Tee Lopes in 16 bit
>20 dollars

Would you /v/?

Sonic Mania isn't actually that much better, people are just allowed to like it now because muh nostalgia

>>387298176
I am about to tell you a mania spoiler mania has an & Knuckles mode

>>387289172
people were just excited it wasn't made by Sonic Team so Iizuka couldn't fuck it up. Same thing happened with Chronicles and Sonic 4. Mania is actually the first time it's worked out.

>>387298197
Sorry anon. You need to listen to this godly soundtrack for the rest of your life.
Titanic Monarch best song

>>387298693
I'd buy it 5 times. Just as many times as I've bought SA2. Gotta support what you love.

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>holy shit we actually made something good for once

>>387296113
>also no chao garden, no buy
This

>>387298693
Two act versions of all the competition zones with Act 2 mixes would be the most amazing thing.

>>387298828
Finally proud of something they've released for once.

>>387299026
Notice the bolded "proudly"

>>387298697
>allowed to like it now
Most people liked the Genesis games to begin with though. It was only contrarian hipster faggots that shat on them.

I just love the differences between act 1s and 2s. it's even better than in 3&K. Especially on the classic stages where the act 2s are just phenomenal. This is literally the first sonic game where I've wanted to explore stages and do something besides hold right til the ending. also the special stage rings are well hidden, ive found like 6 out of 12 or 14 acts.

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>>387298712
>have to be in no-save mode to use it or the extra Sonic moves
I can understand limiting debug mode to that, but the others are bullshit.

>>387292068
*Leatherhead
FTFY

>>387299237
Hydrocity was flipped though, same with Lava Reef.
Their Act 2's were basically the same as their 3&K counterparts but with the former a different start and the latter a different ending lap. Their Act 1's were pretty different though.

>>387299257
I don't get why putting them in no-save mode really changes anything. Taxman's done this kind of "only allowed in no-save mode" stuff in all of his remakes.

>>387299237
It's pretty clever what they did for the remix levels.
Act 1 has you get all your nostalgia in, then Act 2 blows you away by doing something completely new.

>>387299368
At least with the Switch, I can put it in sleep mode and just come back to it later.
This'll be an actual problem for PC players who want to do a playthrough with that stuff, but don't want to be forced to do it in one sitting.

>>387299324
Hidrocity act 2 is perfection. Even Tee Lopes couldnt surpass it.

>>387291095
Exactly his point.

Zelda has bad games, but it's riding on its name and never gets bad scores.

>>387299460
I have a feeling it could be modded in the PC version so you could have them in a save game, or hell have both the super peel-out and insta-shield in at the same time with the drop dash/insta-shield being activated on different jump buttons.

>>387299514
I'll agree with that. Hydrocity Act 2 is basically the most perfect classic Sonic zone. Level design and music wise.

Does this game somehow tie in with Sonic Forces?

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Finished my first play through. Not going to jump the gun and say I like this more than 3K, but I might. We'll see after I go back and grab all of the emeralds. I did my best to find giant rings, but came up short anyway.

>>387299674
It's hinted at with the good ending. The ruby that fucks around dimensions teleports Sonic somewhere.

>>387299684
Do you get a gold medal for picking up all the rings?
I only bothered to do it for the first one and was wondering why that one was different from the rest. It just clicked now.

>>387299763
Yep, getting a Perfect in blue sphere yields a gold medal.

The game is really good, to the point where most criticisms are literally nitpicks, or you just don't like Genesis style Sonic.

As for the nitpicks

>it's a shame not every level has level transitions
>not enough original levels (what is it, 4 originals vs 8 remakes?, should been more like 5 vs 7 or even 6v6).
>Sonic & Tails mode is awful and shouldn't be the default mode, but in fairness this has been true since Sonic 2
>the game is over pretty fucking quickly if you're well-versed in Genesis style Sonic but this is to be expected

Can't wait to see some crazy speed runs.

>>387299317
>leatherhead
It's man, fucktard.

>they made the weird sonic looking statues in Hydrocity 2 background actual sonics
They really thought of everything

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How do I get better at finding special stage rings? How many are there in a level? How many in Green Hill?

These exclusive paths that lock you off if you fuck up are bullshit, gotta keep exiting out.

>>387299804
Is there some kind of exclusive reward for getting gold medals, or is it just bragging rights?

>>387299861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkFsML70-Eg
ASS WE CAN

>>387299959
Gold medels unlock more things then just getting silver medals.

This game is basically Sonic CD 2, something I've wanted for over half my life.


If this isn't evidence of a god I don't know what is.

>>387299959
You get nothing for getting all gold medals except an achievement.

>>387299923
I haven't finished the game yet, so I've got an even bigger question.
After you beat it, is there a level select on that file? Do the rings respawn once this happens? Could I just pop into Green Hill over and over until I have all the emeralds?

>>387299891
What do you mean

>>387300030
In case you're trying to make a point, even someone in the comments has stated the error in the title.

>>387300084
Works like 3&K, so yes.

>>387300084
>Could I just pop into Green Hill over and over until I have all the emeralds?
Yes. Although it's easier to jump into Press Garden for emeralds, since you can find a giant ring below the the starting point of act 1.

>>387300084
>After you beat it, is there a level select on that file?
Yes.

>>387300124
Dude, he's clearly saying head.

>>387299834
Why is Sonic and Tails mode terrible? Casual here honestly curious

>>387287986
If I never played a Sonic game in my life, will I like this one?

>>387300124
It kind of sounds like leathermed

>>387289172
It was gonna save Sonic the same way 06 was gonna save Sonic.
And it fucked up the same way 06 fucked up.
It echos, sorta- they rhyme...

>>387300217
Well, the one thing that bothered me is that sometimes Tails can hit a boss and makes me get hit cause I go through the boss and touch it when it's not flashing. Other then that & Tails mode is pretty alright for the utility in him being able to fly you places.

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>>387300172
>>387300178

>>387300258
It's really good.

The only downside is that hydrocity and stardust speedway suck ass.

am I the only one that wishes Sonic Team recognized the Sonic Advance games and made a few levels from those games too?

>>387300258
People that haven't played a Sonic game are enjoying it on it's own merits even. So yeah, play it.

>>387300350
>Hydrocity sucks ass
Nigga I'll fight you

>>387300258
The remix zones will mean a lot more to you if you play 1, 2, 3K, and maybe CD first.

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>>387300350
>hydrocity
>suck ass
Take it back

>>387300172
>>387300178
>>387300196
Please answer my question now por favor, is there more than 1 ring in GHZ Act 1 or am I wasting time combing it? The level select thing is cool but I would rather get all the emeralds as I go through legit.

>>387300380
You might be the only one who thinks Sonic Team was behind Mania, yes.

>>387289761
>Why make 2D games when the 2D console era is over?

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>>387287986
Actually fun games instead of lazy romhacks to pander to critics.

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>Bragging about getting an 86 metascore
>Core series Mario games pull in 90+ metascores like it's fucking nothing, and Nintendo couldn't give two shits

So THAT'S what they meant by "Sega does what Nintendon't"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WosV9Y4l79Y

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>>387300348
>tfw you're a scrub and you got Hyper Sonic by just going in the same ring over and over again at the beginning of Mushroom Hill until you got all the super emeralds.

>>387300552
Yes. That's the tragedy of listening to your fans when your fans don't know wtf they want.

>>387300424
He will probably have more fun though without any knowledge of how much segments are straight up copied from their respective Act1/2 during every Mania's Act 1.

>>387300217
He's fucking noisy, you hear him jumping right after you like an echo, he runs into shit causing the ring loss sound effect when you haven't lost rings, he activates gadgets that you need before you causing you to fuck up, he makes the bosses weird and chaotic by hitting them randomly (I didn't even understand how half the bosses worked on my first playthrough because Tails would randomly kill them), he catches you mid-jump to carry you with flying when you don't want him to. In short Sonic & Tails mode just makes the gameplay really sloppy.

>>387297826
This can't be real.

>>387300552
It would have gotten higher if it wasn't for that fucking 60. Bunch of butthurt people still stuck on the "sonic was never good" meme and have a personal grudge against the series.

God, I was a Nintendo fanboy through and through in my early days and I fucking loved Sonic whenever I got a chance to play it.

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Have we heard official word from the Palace of CWCVille regarding Sonic Mania?

>>387300701
There needs to be a tutorial for these people to tell them that you can roll.

>>387299834
>an entire mode is terrible AND is the default
>"nitpick"

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To be honest
>Too much of the game relies on gimmicks instead of solid gameplay
>The autistic obsession of keeping it just like the originals ruins moments like the bullshit crush kills and getting hit because pressing down wasn't registered
>Bosses felt shitty, either too gimmicky or just obnoxious projectiles spamming
>The final boss is the worst Supersonic boss in any Sonic game
It's not bad but Christ does this game feel like a letdown
That said though, if you polished up the Special Stage and gave it some depth and more levels, I could buy it as a standalone game

If they did a Mania 2 I'd love it if the classic levels were from more obscure games, like how Sonic Generations 3DS had a level from Rush.

Give me Mecha Green Hill Zone from Sonic Chaos. Give me Underground Zone or Gimmick Mountain Zone from Sonic 2 8-bit. Give me White Park Zone from Sonic fucking 4 and make it actually good. That's the kind of shit I want to see, especially since they'd all be new to the 16 bit look.

>>387300742
The older you get, the more you feel incredibly sorry for this autistic person.

>>387300695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9ZT9CG7OWM

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>>387300350
Stardust Speedway sucks, but Hydrocity is good you swine

>>387300217
Question: can tails be controlled by a second player?

>>387300869
Yeah, I believe so.

>>387300742
Is the CWCki down?

>>387300771
If they did Mania 2. I'd want them to do original levels only or at the very least swap the amount so the majority is original

>>387300771
I just want 100% original levels honestly. Or maybe take the Sonic 3 2P zones and turn them into full zones.

>>387300803
No, the fact that I pay a shit ton in taxes and knowing that money is going towards people like him. I just feel upset.

>>387300915
It'll be back soon I think.

dare I say could dreamcast 2 be around the corner?

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>>387300701
This is quite the conspiracy theory. Do most hardcore sonic fans have this much of a persecution complex?

>>387298197
why is the background from the objective worst game Sega's ever made?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WosV9Y4l79Y

>>387300742
>>387300803
>>387300915
Why do people still care about Christine, that shit's been tapped out. Tamers12345 is where it's at.

>>387288491
I see what you did there

>>387301084
I can appreciate both.

>>387301084
People just don't want to let it go. Over the years he just hasn't learned to not take the bait thanks to the autism

>>387288913
This is why you don't develop games for Nintendo platforms.

>>387300350
Hydrocity is nowhere near as cool as the original version. I hated that fucking air bubble floating thing. Mania Hydrocity has great bosses though, I laughed at how weird the act 1 boss was. I bet Eggman had a bad headache after that one lol

>>387287986
Why can Sonic go Super Saiyan?

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How did they manage to pack so much perfect characterization into a single one-minute animation?

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>ywn get some hedgehog bootie

Now if only Valve let the fans take over TF2 like Sega did with this.

>>387301270
Cause of the magic gemstones that are called emeralds even though only one is green? Fucking idiot pay attention.

>>387301270
Because you see, you're not dealing with your regular anthropomorphic hedgehog anymore.
He became the legend! the legend you fear!

>>387301334
Why is knuckles still the coolest

>>387297876
>Arthur Gies
No thanks.

>>387301334
Because Tyson Hesse, along with Taxman & friends, is what Sonic needs right now.

>>387301334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIgOcFIo0kE

>Same Artist

>>387299460
Nigga just walk away from the screen, minimize it, like who the fuck is going to make you turn it off

>>387301339
>Forcesfags in one post

>>387301351
I think that actually will happen eventually, there have already been a few community updates and the Pass Time gamemode was co-developed by a third party.

>>387300862
dude what the fuck. speedway acts are the best in game. worst is prob lava reefs

>>387301394
Unlike Sonic, he doesn't chuckle.
He'd rather flex his muscles.

>>387289172
The only thing I remember was everyone bashing the character designs. No one was hyped for the game at all.

>>387301473
Literally everything cool that's been put in the game in the past years have been fan-made. TF2 really needs to be Taxman'd.

>>387301084
Speaking of weirdos on the internet, what ever happened to Ulillia, I heard he finally overcame everything and became a normie

>>387301194
>IT'S NINTENDO'S FAULT REEEEEEE
Explain 06, then. Plus the Rush and Advanced games as well as Colors have all been well received so if anything Sonic does better with Nintendo.

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>Sonic Forces Fails
>Sonic Team realized Team Taxman did better
>Iizuka Regrets Greenlighting Mania
>Iizuka Leaves SEGA
>Taxman now in charge
>Mania 2, All Original Zones, Unlockable Characters.
>Team Taxman are off of Izukas Leash
>Mania 2 is 25 Bucks
>YFW

>>387301351
They pretty much have. All the weapons and cosmetics come from the Steam Workshop, and the game's balance is 100% determined by whatever comp players are screeching about at the time.

>>387300771
Like others said I would want Mania 2 to be all original levels, but if there did need to be remakes I would want some Game Gear stuff. Sunset Park is my favorite Sonic zone period.

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>>387301598
>nintentoddler

>>387301593
he was a janitor at this apt complex. not for pay i dont think, just to lower rent.

>>387301598
The version of Sonic that's in Smash Bros had more care put into referencing shit compared to anything Sonic Team has done in years.

Sega needs to stop fucking around and make Knuckles & Knuckles 2: Return to Electric Boogaloo & Knuckles Super Tournament Hyper Knuckles Edition