NeoGAF cant figure out how to play Sonic Games

The point is that Sonic games were never that good, which is true. Fucking Mario 3 destroys every 16bit Sonic, while this doesn't even count games like Mario World and Yoshi's Island which goddamn trample Sonic 2 and 3.

>>387267325
why the fuck are you browsing neogaf, faggot?

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>387267459

>>387267325

All this kids need to get gud.

>>387267538
i have nothing else to do at moment

>>387267325
He is not wrong. Sonic games suck.

>>387267325
hes right though OP, sonic games are just a clusterfuck and you just hold forward to win

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>press forward and jump to win
is Pyro the real heir to the 3D Sonic throne?

>>387267325
>no GAY SEX with HATS tab
why even bother posting. -9/10

>these are "serious" "hardcore" gamer website industry insiders and devs are lurking

in 2011 maybe, not today, no-one is touching that site after it turned out half the staff weere pedos

I fully agree with the first guy, Sonic games are confused messes
it wants you to run through the map but then halts your speed only to have you platform precisely, which is hell because Sonic is made of lead, it plays like shit
never saw the appeal in it

>>387267325
It's true though. The only good thing about Sonic is the music.

They're right though. 99% of Sonic games are just holding a direction and very sporadically jumping. The only game which requires actual platforming is Sonic 1 and according to Sonic fans it's the worst of the classics.

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>>387267325
>browsing neogaf
>pretending sonic was ever good

>>387267325
I'm not gonna say anything about the actual quality if Sonic games, I just want to point out that the logic of this neogaf posters is retarded.

>Game should have a clearcut, precise pathway in order to be good

These retards are actually saying that linear games are superior. It's really just subjective, some people like clear one path obstacle courses and other people like variety and exploring. Neither is objectively better or the "correct" way, anyone who says otherwise is retarded. Tons of amazing games do one or the other.

I agree honestly, I always just zoomed through the levels. I had fun though.

>>387267325
It's not like it's any different from this shithole. You have tons of mentally challenged nintenbros here who spout the same shit.

>>387267916
I think the point he was trying to make is that the open level design encourages exploration while the gottagofast mentality encourages the opposite.

>>387267325
Neofaggots want shitty walking simulators you can't fail. Its no surprise something that takes skill like Sonic would be a game they hate.

>>387268239
Didn't grew up with 2d sonic games, but you learn the routes that you like after playing the levels few times.

>>387268438
>the post in the OP is literally complaining about Sonic not being challenging because even if you make a mistake you just drop to a lower path and keep going
Be honest, did you actually read it before replying?

Why do you visit Neogaf, OP?

>miss a jump
>get an alternate path
>wtf this is too easy

>miss a jump
>land on a bed of spikes
>wtf I want to go fast

>>387268625
He's full of shit and probably never played past the first few levels, in every level past the first zone the lower path is the hardest.

How's that Java going, anon?

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>>387268239
His "point" is fucking retarded. The "open" level design is meant to encourage you to go fast through the path you want. It also encourages and adds to the replayability as going through the level once means you won't see the whole thing.
I can bet you all the money I have right now those people don't actually think through the things they post. It makes me angry that some future fucknut who will make games might be influenced by these retarded ideas they spout off over there

>>387268902
bretty gut i am sick of these stupid fucks so i started to developing my own game last month

>>387269192
Isn't Java bad for making games?

>>387268778
Eh, it's a different kind of difficulty. It's like speedrunning Quake or some shit. When you learn the best path and can do it fast you skip a bunch of obstacles and enemies, but being able to go fast and stay on the path is its own kind of difficult. If you don't go fast then you have to mind the spikes, bottomless pits, enemies, etc.

>>387269071
Different strokes for different folks. I played a lot of Sonic but I also can understand why someone would want a more traditional platformer where the only path is the hard path and you either get it right or you die.

>>387267325
>wonfused

Why even bother listening to retards who cannot spell?

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>all these casuals itt
Top kek didn't realize /v/ was so shit at vidya

>>387269192
>Game
>Java
lmao, pick one

>>387269412
Performance sucks big flaccid donkey penis, yes. But it's an easier babby's first programming language than C/C++.

>>387269412
Well the second highest selling video game of all time was made in Java so

>>387269412
Pretty much no general purpose language is "bad for games". There are some that are definitely better for high performance stuff, but it depends what your goal is.

>>387269848
It sold well despite being made in java, not thanks to it. One of the biggest and oldest complaints about minecraft always was the performance being ass.

>>387269848
And it runs like shit.

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>>387267325
NeoGAF should figure out the difference between its and it's first before worrying about videogames at all

>>387269449
>Different strokes for different folks. I played a lot of Sonic but I also can understand why someone would want a more traditional platformer where the only path is the hard path and you either get it right or you die.
If you want a rip-off pump n' dump game, sure. These people have a legit problem with freedom because they gone through their whole gaming lives used to the current generation of no child left behind game design where if it doesn't tell you constantly what to do every fucking second they legit cannot think for themselves how to play the game their own way nor have the creative capacity to do so. Modern videogames have become the idiotbox of the current generation.

>>387269848
Well maybe it could have been the highest selling video game of all time if it wasn't made in Java.
Actually, what -is- the highest selling game?

>>387270202
>what -is- the highest selling game?
Tetris, but it's bullshit. It includes it coming with Game Boys and includes other versions of it.

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>>387270098
>all this mad about people preferring Mario-style platformers to Sonic
The war is over, anon. Mario won. Time to move on.

>>387270330
Yea, that's kinda bullshit. But it's also pretty bullshit if they say every fucking tetris game is too different to not count.

>>387270098
>Modern western videogames have become the idiotbox of the current generation.
Fixed. Japan still caters to the hardcore.

>>387270098
>they gone through their whole gaming lives used to the current generation of no child left behind game design

This made me kek thanks.

>>387269848
Thats a really shit mentality

>>387270410
Thank you for your idiotic non-reply, dumbass

>game gives multiple options on how to play, but doesn't obviously explain it to you and hand hold you though how you can play
>HOW DO I PLAY THIS GAME THERES TOO MANY OPTIONS I DONT KNOWWWWWWWWWW

>>387267961
that's generally the point, unless you get to the Sand Kingdom of Sonic & Knuckles.
Then you have to keep doing a bunch of annoying shit like turning the lights on.

>>387268239
his point is dumb, the level design is as deep as it is to provide more than one way to complete the level. As well as give you somewhere to go if you fall off the highest one.

As opposed to being one level + insta die. (sonic 1 had a lot of insta die so they changed it in 2 & 3)

>>387270410
>Mario won

Enjoy your korean mmo tier fetch quest game because you're too retarded to realize get the 8 red coins, get the 8 blue coins, walk over there to get a shine/star/whatever the fuck is just busy work for retards

>>387270557
>wanting profits in a capitalist society is a shit mentality

>>387270583
What did you expect? You talk about Sonic like it was the perfect example of classic game design when it was always an oddball even for its time. Muh freedom do what you want style of games were very rare back in the day, both for technological constraints and due to many games and game designers coming from an arcade background where you want the player to get up and playing in the least amount of time possible. Not to mention the most popular genre nowadays is open world and Skyrim is one of the most popular modern games, together with minecraft which barely even has an objective beyond fucking around.

>>387267904
>posting redditman image

>>387270410
>Sega's platform is dead and Nintendo is a gimmick platform for children
>Nintentoddlers are still playing Mario spin offs 30 years later
I'd say they both lost.

>>387267325
>java int to String
Is this the /g/ version of "gay sex with hats on"?

>>387267325
What did you expect from a place like this?
Also the "sonic were never good" meme here come from a nigger poster from there that took the grump video idea to make a thread and get brownie points with the forum, nowadays the nigger was banned because he only made shit threads like that. Nu-/v/ is just neogaf.

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>>387271579
Here the nigger in question

>>387271059
Not him but regardless of what anyone thinks it is rather pathetic that anyone who has been playing games for awhile would ever have much of a problem playing Sonic. Yes even people who didn't start gaming until the 21st century. I get if someone isn't accustomed to playing platformer sidescrollers and Sonic may be their first time in the genre but even then it shouldn't take someone more than a few minutes to adjust to its style. The same would apply and especially should apply to someone familiar with the genre. There is nothing hard or confusing about the game and why it has had an enduring appeal for so long. Too many faggots out there just like shit handhold games with absolutely no difficulty. Or as the other anon put it, they don't mind a little more difficulty but as long as the game is as linear as possible. I am convinced this is likely why Metroid games never sold well. Nintendo fans themselves are a bunch of babies that like piss easy shit. Even Nintendo's flagship franchise got way easier over the years because people are too dumb to appreciate good game design or variety in a game.

>>387270014
Performance being ass was more due to Notch's shitty programming skills than any fault with the actual language.

You're basically blaming the fact that an artist used Crayola crayons for why their art was shitty, rather than blaming the fact that they were a shitty artist.

>>387267325
>Chrome

Literally end yourself

>>387267325
At least he can blindly complete a level instead of dying 20 tines like your average 8gagger

>>387267813
>it wants you to run through the map
No it doesn't. Sonic is a platformer with speed. Not speed with platforming. Git gud and take alternate routes.

>>387272176
This. Idiots got blinded by nostalgia goggles and only remembered the times when they were speeding in the levels

>>387271723
So people HAVE to like exploration in their platformers?

>>387271654
>>>387271579
>Here the nigger in question

Fun fact, he is a tranny now

>>387271158
>Sega is forced to make 3rd party garbage that's routinely mocked by everyone in the industry (le Sonic was never good lol).
>Nintendo still maintains a healthy presence in the industry without succumbing to the console meme of producing a low-end PC.
Nah, Nintendo won.

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>>387267967
>You have tons of mentally challenged nintenbros here who spout the same shit.
I'm tired of their shit.
>Anything that isn't by Nintendo or not on a Nintendo console is shit

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>>387272841
>Fun fact, he is a tranny now
Too fucking perfect.

>>387273041
Nigga, every fandom on earth has the mantra of "everything that isn't muh favorite thing is shit and you're shit for liking something that I don't like."

Nintendo isn't special in that regard.

>>387268239
Or you can just play the game multiple times, which is how it was designed. Find a better, faster route on your second or third playthrough

>>387267325
to back to neogaf

>>387272841
Plot Twist: He only became a tranny in the hopes that Neogaf would unban him

>>387272751
No

But to not only whine but more importantly be awful at such a game is pretty telling about a persons abilities in gaming. I get not liking Sonic but what these dopes in the OP come across as to me is a bunch of shits that were actually awful at the game because they didn't get it so they then go on to think the game is awful.

>>387273172
Nintendo is VERY special in that regard.

>>387267967
>>387273041
How does your logic work here if sonic games are on Nintendo platforms by standard nowadays?

>>387271126
>he doesn't know who this guy is

>>387271968
Its chromium

>>387273317
No it isn't. In fact, I'd honestly say that Sonybros and PCfats display that mentality more than your average Nintenbro does, if only because Nintenbros mainly play Nintendo games exclusively while PCfats and Sonybros always gotta prove that they're inherently better than everyone else.

>>387271579
I thought the meme came from IGN.

>>387273340
Can't have the Genesis looking good, can you? If Mania is good maybe there are good games on the Genesis, but you know what it is often said that the only games on the Genesis were Sonic games anyways.

>>387273517
It was from game grumps i think, this sudden influx of threads about it non stop however it is the gaf nigger.

>>387273480
>Nintenbros mainly play Nintendo games exclusively

So what you're saying is that they are autists who can handle any kind of novel experience?

>>387273692
holy shit is she dead?

>>387273812
>google the webm
>result is "death"
fitting

>>387273692
>eclectic

That's a very strange word choice to use here.

Also
>>387273812
this.

>>387273595
Jesus anon, take your meds, nobody's resurrecting outdated company wars except you, plenty of Nintendo users are cheering Mania and there's even posts bragging about how it's selling more on Switch than anything else despite no proofs

>>387267679
>Oh man i have nothing to do, better eat shit

>>387273812
She might be, but people have survived worse shit than that.

>>387273936
>nobody's resurrecting outdated company wars except you
How long have you been on 4chan? Three hours?

>>387274146
In this particular situation i mean

jph139 is right about everything.

>>387267325
>int to string
I jej'd

>>387273759
No, I'm saying that Nintenbros are generally satisfied with their consoles and already knows, on some level, that it simply cannot compete with the competition in terms of hardware, so they just kinda list off to the side and do their own thing.

>>387273692
Naka mentioned the intent was 'a game you could go fast in the better you get at it', not 'a game anyone can go fast in at any time'. Learn the level layouts, know when to pull back on the reins, and you'd be surprised how many GOTTA GO FAST opportunities there are, even in stages designed with trapping you in mind.

>>387274489
The issue is that you don't really "get better" at a lot of sonic games. You just memorize the map and input actions based on that memory instead of actually reacting to what's going on while going fast. It's not particularly satisfying to master.

Just giving a bigger viewing distance (like in Sonic Colors) so that you can actually react to shit fixes a LOT of Sonic's issues.

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>>387273002
oh, but you have to pay for the switch's online to play mutiplayer, like how you have to pay for ps4/xbone's online

>>387275116
You generally had plenty of room in the Genesis games though. It's not like Sonic Genesis (GBA) where the screen was too small and enemies that you could see before suddenly became impossible to see coming.

>>387275116
>It's only "getting better" if it follows MY definition!
lol

>>387267608
He's right.
Sonic is fast moving 2D low resolution sidescroller.
Ideally it should be zoomed out like Super Meatboy.

>>387275561
Which sucks, but is an unfortunate a consequence of today's video game industry.

Honestly, I'm surprised they held out as long as they did all things considered but I guess after the Wii U died Nintendo couldn't really afford to give it up for free anymore.

>i-i just browse neogaf to laugh at them haha!

>>387267325
Why are you so obsessed with neo gaf? It's because they make it impossible for you to sign up and shitpost, isn't it?

>>387276059
>i-i just watch CWC to laugh at him haha!

>>387275116
Video games are about memorization.

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/v/ isnt any better, inb4
>phone
I'm at work fuck you

>>387267325
>Java int to String
>I don't Understand h...