This video game will never be topped. How does it make you feel?

hey at least I'm not an autismo weabcuck neet beta

>>387263075
Nice! You got a 4 hit buzzword chain! Try again next time for an even higher combo!

>>387263075
>mfw its usage of color, lighting, and atmosphere in general make it look better than some PS3 and PS4 JRPGs purely by virtue of its quality aesthetic design

>>387264372
Meant for >>387263490 xd haha

As a JRPG it will probably never be topped,as a game in general it wasn't the best but still in the god tier.

Just started it, any tips? Besides USE BUFFS?

>passing on abilities in fusions is rng
>story consists of demifiend saying nothing and doing everything for anyone that asks him
>kalpas consist mostly of mazes or invisible teleporters and sometimes even both
its a pretty great game, but i dont get when people think its a masterpiece. its got plenty of flaws desu

>>387263075
Like it should be released on PS4 with trophies at fucking once.

>>387265108
Silent protagonists are the best,the fact that the game doesn't have voice acting at all is also a plus.

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>>387265156
>with trophies

It's not that good. I don't like it's lack of narrative or any character development. Why I'm supposed to care about his friends or the teacher, they barely got any dialogue. I just can't get invested enough in the story to care about it's characters and anything that's happening in the world, which is the reason I haven't finished yet. I like the gameplay and the fights but that wasn't enough for me t b h.

>>387265293
So far all the PS2 games re-released on PS4 have them, so yeah.

>>387265295
>m-muh exposition
you watched too much shitty modern anime
pay attention and you'll notice both the narrative and plenty of character development

>>387265437
It's not about exposition. It's just that the game's characters are just a bunch of people whom you have not a reason to care or listen to,telling you what to do or where to go. In all the games where I played with an silent protagonist the others characters would also tell you what to do and where to go but in a manner where you would also feel invested in it since you could see the bigger picture, that just doesn't happen for me in this game.

Never played this, but loved Devil Survivor and 3, played a little of Strange Journey but I really couldn't get into the aesthetic.
Is it worth trying?

>>387265005
Use debuffs.

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>>387263075
It was topped by strange journey, the best video game ever made. Still the second best mainline and second best SMT game.

SJ > III > II > IV:A > I > IV

>>387267507
Sell me on this game.

>>387265005
Keep track of your own and your demon's weaknesses. It's important to not have multiple party members with the same weaknesses. Also try to get as many magatama as possible as they can provide resistences that will make a boss you might struggle on easy.

Strength is king here, don't focus on magic. Max out strength and after focus on vitality and agility.

>>387267507
My first SMT game and I'm still listening to the soundtrack 4 months later. I started Nocturne recently and uhhhhhhh, I dunno. I'm not even sure I made good demons.

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>>387267759

>>387267759
It has a different system from press turn, a more complex moral system, a fantastic cast and story, great difficulty where you will always be challenged, and a beautiful symphonic soundtrack. It is unlike anything else, even other SMT games. Since the first time I played I adored it and it instantly became my all time favorite game.

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>>387263075
I think you posted the wrong picture, OP.

>>387268320
Yeah, so did you.

>>387268218
This area isn't bad, it's that other one with the fucking colour swapped backgrounds and shit that made me mad. Fucking STOP.

>>387268234
Not the same guy, should I wait for the redux or get the ds version? I've never played SJ

>>387268234
...However, it's dated like shit.

Dialogue is cheap not very deep, because it's on handheld. The difficulty mostly comes from the shitty dungeon designs. The demons giving your their Essence is weird and kind of dumb, and early ones are made useless quickly.

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>>387268415
Original.

>>387268515
I hate how Gore looks in the new art, head like Mr. fucking Clean here.

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>>387265108
desu desu des !! onee-san sore ga desu desu des des desu !!

>>387268218
Oh god, what did I ask for?

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>>387268515
Why is Junpei in this game?

>>387268415
Honestly it seems like redux might be a bit. Honestly I plan to buy whatever the best version of redux is despite having the original collector's edition of strange journey since 2010. I say play now as strange journey is such a phenomenal game that you will replay it. Also it seems like redux will simplify some things so it'll be easier going from the original to redux then the other way around.

Personally I'm a little skeptical on redux, I kind of worry about how Alex will be used in the story. I still plan to play it but I'm not so sure if it will be the definitive version depending on how much the new stuff is forced on you.

>>387265156
Personally I think it needs a handheld. Nocturne always seemed like one of those games that would be great on the go.

>>387268470
>dated like shit
>came out in 2009
Either a IV baby or ameven worse, a P5 baby.

I'm currently playing nocturn for the first time, just finished the obolysk

fuck me this game is cheap. often just unfair. I only just discovered there's no way to re-learn skills for at the very least the main character, too, so now I'm worried I've somehow fucked myself

What are some of the most essential skills?

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>>387268773
Those are the only really JUST maps, but then you've got the boss fights in SJ which are sometimes just straight up unfair. If there's one thing I hope they fix in the remake is that they rebalance bosses.

*wipes your party*

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>>387267507
Strange Journey is one of the worst SMT i've ever played,only the NES games are worse.

>bad soundtrack (don't blame the DS soundchip,its just boring and bland)
>shit characters
>bad locations
>most boring story in a SMT game

>>387268234
>symphonic soundtrack
>good

Reminder

>>387268915
Or even worse, I'm actually right.

It's a DS game from 2009. The field map textures do not look good, the demons sprites are small, the gameplay isn't that deep, and neither is the dialogue. Even the music, while beautiful, is compressed to shit.

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>>387268930
Freikugel

>>387265005
World of stronk

>>387269004
You sound like an absolute chode.

>>387267507
With that simple combat and those teleporter mazes, it's far from the best video game ever made. It's great, but very flawed.

>>387269004
SJ isn't just a generic orchestral soundtrack. I can't think of any games off the top of my head that have a soundtrack that gives off such oppressive and militaristic vibes like SJ's does. The locations are also varied and visually interesting, or as visually interesting as you can hope for a DS game that isn't heavily stylized to be, the story is good if for no other reason than all of it taking place before an apocalypse is unlike other SMTs. Also, Gore and Arthur are the best Neutral reps in the series, at least of the games I've played.

>>387268930
The only really good skills the MC should need is fog breath and focus. Focus is essential and fog breath is basically always useful. Maybe mana drain but it's not essential like focus.
>>387268982
You could always be cheap and use passwords for demons if you struggle that much.
>>387269004
Not my fault you're a shitter. Does it look beautiful? No, but SMT has always been rather lackluster overall in terms of graphics as atlus is a small company.

Also that webm is about in sad scenes and shit. If you didn't love listening to the poundimg drums and chanting while explorimg dungeons you have genuine shit taste.

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>>387269318
Zelenin is also best Law.

>>387267025
The game is about the different philosophies for how existence could be restructured. It isn't about the characters' stupid day to day life. You either haven't played long enough to be invested or you're shallow as a kiddie pool.

>>387269381
She isn't, but SJ has Mastema, who is actually best Law.

>>387269318
No, the reps of each side are genuinely the best in SJ. Though only IV's are pretty bad. As much as I do love HOY BOY I can admit he is a shit chaos rep. And Johnathan is just shit in general.

>>387269364
>You could always be cheap and use passwords for demons if you struggle that much.
But that's not fun, SJ bosses are just sometimes straight up not fair and that should definitely be addressed in the remake. Asherah is another example.

>>387269446
Did you know Mastema's real name is Master Potema?

>>387269364
Already missed my chance at fog breath and literally just replaced focus with an ice attack...

>>387269318
I thought the soundtrack was pretty bad. There's a few good tracks like Eridanus, but most the sectors' music just came off as plain Dark And Ominous with no real weight to them. The deep HEE HO vocals didn't help, what with them drowning the rest of the music out most the time.

Tried to get into this game few months ago, killed Matador and called quits cuz the game doesnt tell you much and most of the skills have weird names. Its like learning a jargon for everything.

Then Persona 5 came out and teached me most of the stuff and now i cant wait to finish this also.
What a great game with such a unique mood.

It was topped by P3 and the DDS games.

>>387269521
Eh, the feature exists for a reason. I do admit some things should be rebalanced, vending marine for example. At the least I would rather have spikes like SJ with ouroboros then a huge dive like IV after medusa.

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>>387269573
The hee hos are the best part you absolute fool.

>>387269596
>DDS
The Mantra system is inherently flawed because unless you are telepathic you will never know what abilities are going to be best suited for an upcoming battle which makes it the only MegaTen game where you will have to actually grind at some point or another.

>P3
Worst """dungeon""" in the series and not controlling party AI is awful for obvious reasons, even if the game is balanced around it.

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>>387269568
JUST
>>387269596
>P3
Nah, at least say P5 which is actually somewhat decent.

>>387269596
DDS and P3 are pretty bad as far as MegaTen goes, at least of the ones I've played.

>>387269318
>The locations are also varied and visually interesting
>Supermarket?
>Warzone
>Ice caverns
>Garden of Eden

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just started the game over the weekend, its really fun

i'm having trouble with dante, can someone tell me if my demi-fiend stats/moves are good?

>>387269364
>If you didn't love listening to the poundimg drums and chanting while explorimg dungeons you have genuine shit taste.

You know what SMT game has a good soundtrack? Soul Hackers.You know why it is good? Because it was made before the time they thought that filling a game with movie orchestral shit was acceptable.

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>>387270091
>any orchestral music is epin movie shit

>>387269703
>the feature exists for a reason.
You're right but it never felt satisfactory to me. To go back to Mem Alpeh (I really fucking hate this boss) a first time blind play through will either have the player grinding for hours or using passwords for demons, neither are a satisfactory way to defeat the final boss in my opinion.

SJ has a lot going for it, just the balance in the game is so fucked even down to the combat system: The player has access to demon co-op but enemies don't, one of the cool things about turn press is both parties follow the rules of the system whereas they don't in SJ.

>>387270052
before even touching any other stat you should get St to 30. Then Vi

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>>387270052
>ma

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>>387270052
>Leveling up Magic unironically

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>complete all the kaplas
>have the GOAT team anticipating lucifer
>get to final dunegon
>beat disco boss
>game freezes

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzvQW_gxkk
Sadly the rest of the dungeons in SJ don't have music this good except for Eridanus

>>387270843
*blocks your path*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EjRCNhf_GI

>>387270938
DAVID NO

>>387270843
>>387270938
Generic shit

>>387270843
Has some good incidental music and battle music, though. I love how hopeless the ship music sounds:

https://youtu.be/Jl79WVdid0w

>>387270037
Is a warzone, ice caverns, the Garden of Eden, Hell, as well as Horologium and Bootes, not your idea of varied? There's also the upper section of Eridanus which is great too. The only ones I might not call visually interesting are Grus, seeing as it's just a junkheap, and the first section of Antlia seeing as it's just ice caverns, but even then, having an ice caverns level in a game set in the Antarctic is hardly offensive, it's just sensible.

>>387271107
Music might not have been the greatest in the series but it knows how to set the mood perfectly

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>>387270052
>putting points in magic
Get strength up to AT LEAST 30 then go agility and vitality with the ocassional strength boost.

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>>387271040

>>387265295
Because the plot and narrative isn't good. Nocture has the worst characters in mainline bar none but babbies can't see past that.

>>387271581
Okay, you can they're bad but you can not say they are the worst when IV:A's cast exists.

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>>387271581
>Nocture has the worst characters in mainline bar none
Hehe

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>>387263075
>This video game will never be topped by other JRPGs.
FTFY, play a proper CRPG anon.
>>387264447
>emulating that shit
God it's beautiful

>>387265295
>Why I'm supposed to care about his friends or the teacher
You're not supposed to care, because you lose your humanity, and they lose theirs.

>>387271808
Nocturne is one of the best rpgs made in general.

>>387271671
No, IVA actually has some good characters like Gaston and Dagda. Can't say the same about Nocturne

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>>387271959
>Nocturne has no good character-

>>387271581
Yeah because i play SMT for the extremely deep plot.

>>387271959
The girls are literally insufferable. If anything the nocturne cast is never actually annoying.

>>387272060
I liked him.

Makes me feel like telling you to play more JRPG's.

>>387272060
You're joking right? His motivation and plans don't make any sense if it wasn't for maniax.

how can I pass through sector eridanus' 2nd floor? I am stuck for hours now, and I cant find an upgrade for the main app

>>387272060
>I vant to suck your blood, little boy

>>387272205
What would say is better honestly, I'm genuinely interested.

>>387272274
Final Fantasy IX, Nocturne and Suikoden II are objectively the three best JRPGs.

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>>387272175
>it's okay for Nocturne to have a poor narrative because other mainline games besides II and If have a poor narrative

>>387272392
Nah, my vote is nocturne, breath of fire 4, ane mother 3.

>>387272476
Except none of them do. Well IV's is kind of shitty but it's more of how many plotholes it has, the actual story had potential. You can argue IV:A if you were to count the characters as part of the story.

>>387272274
Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song tops it easily for me, in general for the genre due to its mechanics and how you progress which again is interlaced within some of its mechanics.

>>387263075
>just started Nocturne and got to the club in Shibuya
>conspicuous lack of cyberpunk motifs so far
Is it like this for the rest of the game?

>>387269004
>doesn't like MTII
fuck you just for that

>>387272771
Yes, why were you under the impression it had a cyberpunk aesthetic to it?

>>387272704
While I personally disagree I will say ministrel song is a fantastic game so I respect your opinion.

>>387272917
Maybe they came off IV or II.

>>387272657
Majority do. It excels at atmosphere and pacing but the actual narrative is terrible. Characters personalities and motivations do a 180 to every law and chaos hero. Doesn't help that the dialogue is always meaningless babble that's as shallow as a puddle.

Would a Nocturne HD feature Dante or Raidou?

>>387273248
donte

>>387270594
>PALcucks

>>387268515
while not great everyone but gore is at least passable in their modified designs. But god damn does gore look soft as all fuck in Deep. I could tolerate the rest at least but god damn fuck whom ever redrew Gore.

>>387273248
Donte and Raido.

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>>387263075

>Nocturnebabby

Play any of the Devil Summoner games or Persona 2.

>>387272917
I just assumed that there'd be a bare minimum of that kind of thing, at least in mainline, particularly given the first two games and miscellaneous knowledge of other parts of the franchise.

>>387273643
Memes aside, Digital Devil Saga is the better game.

>>387273682
Nocturne has none of that, if you want cyberpunk you would be better off with IV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhpFGmmUMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc

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>>387271581
What are you talking about?

Demifiend is the cutest and the strongest

>>387273806
Memes aside, Nocturne is the better game.

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>>387274030
I think we all know Persona 5 is the true GOAT.

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>>387273996

>Cutest

That's Tamaki

>Strongest

That's either Fused Serph or Anarchy Nanashi

>>387271581
>worst characters in mainline bar none
Fuck off 4babby

>>387274129
I think you're baiting, but I do think that's actually a respectable opinion on the matter. Its popularity also means it will almost definitely get a re-release that could fix some of the flaws that it does have.

>>387272195
>what's Isamu
>>387272229
bump into every wall, you'll find a path.
>>387273457
>>387268515
>have Doi
>only have him do new characters for redraw, leave rest for interns
Fuck.

I honestly preferred SMT IV's atmosphere over Nocturne's, even though I loved Nocturne's. It was cool to feel the culture shock of a group of teenaged samurais stumbling into a post apocalyptic, demon infested Tokyo.

Anyway, my top 3 MegaTen settings:
1. Soul Hackers
2. SMT IV
3. Persona 4

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>>387274129
its only the second best persona game.

>>387267507
Came to post this

Keep up the good work brother

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>>387274372

>>387274243
Dumbass

It's so good

Simple, straight to the point and effective

The atmosphere doesn't need any flashy bullshit to happen, and characters don't need to be spouting exposition every 5 fucking seconds. Every time I try to compare this to Final or survivor 2 I want to barf

Are the people that love IV just new comers and or very young?

>>387274372
What's wrong with liking the Soul Hackers setting?

>>387274129

Epitome of style over substance. Plot goes to shit after Kaneshiro.

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>>387274331
Actually not baiting, Nocturne and P5 are easily my favorites but the overall QoL additions that have been added to P5 make it overall more enjoyable. If they were to remaster Nocturne with the QoL additions from later games then it would probably be my favorite again.

>>387274538
It's always fucking 4babbies shitting on the other games. 1, 2, 3, SJ, If and 4A dudes get along, 4babbies are faggots who do nothing but stir shit.

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Do you always make posts on NEOGAF and V at the same time OP?

>>387274915

>Imfuckingplying

Nocturne, and to a lesser extent DDS, fans go out of their way to shit on everything that isn't theirs, IV especially.

>>387274590
Nothing really, I just didn't want to reveal it quickly since I hadn't mentioned it in my post.

>>387274915
Not him, but what the fuck are you talking about?
Nocturnals have always been the ones to go
my game> you're game
>playing jrpgs for the story
>or characters
>d-demifiend didn't end up as Louis's bottom b-bitch!

>>387274915
Like I said, you're a dumbass.

>>387274945
Now why are you on NeoGAF anon

>>387274559
Probably, the devs have said that IV was designed with a younger audience overall.
>main cast each has a distinct color scarf giving them the image of toku team
>many of the guest artists were designers on toku shows like kamen rider
>walter and johnathan are simpler in terms of reasoning
>isabeau is meant for nothing more then to be cute and follow the protagonist around, even use cheap drama in law/chaos

Anyone else ever read this article on IV? I think it's a great article as it gives both the positive and negative aspects of the game.
http://eirikrjs.blogspot.com/2015/09/SMT-identity-crisis-final.html?m=1

>>387276078
>isabeau is meant for nothing more then to be cute and follow the protagonist around
That's nothing new for SMT. Isabeau at least opposes you and is not shown in a romantic light, the Heroine in SMT1 is and she also won't oppose you if you go Law or Chaos like Isabeau does. Walter and Jonathan also have almost the exact same reasoning as the Law and Chaos Hero in SMT1, just in SMT1 the circumstances that brought the Law and Chaos Heroes to their alignments are more extreme than the circumstances that brought Walter and Jonathan to their reasons.

>>387276330
>eirikrjs
>Samurai are sentai
Yeah, I'm good.
>>387276469
Least chaos hero didn't let out the demons.
Why do they suck with Heroines with most games they do? So passive compared to the alignment heroes who are usually in your party or impactful. I only remember Heroine saying two things throughout regular play.

>>387274497
I loved these

>>387276790
I liked in SJ they said fuck ot and instead of forcing one for series tradition there was no heroine. This is why Alex's inclusion pissesme off, I feel like she'll try to fight you for awhile, she will learn it is some misunderstanding, and ultimately she will be the heroine. I really hope they're better then that though.

>>387276078
All the things you said apply to earlier games.

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>>387269004
>game music hasn't developed over the last 20 years because sometimes developers use orchestral music in their games

>>387277138
To be fair Nocturne didn't have it either and no one bats an eye.
The issue is that the character isn't that involved in the plot, Hiroko at least had something (Her plot with mekata, the fidelity sap, her search invoving the slums, though fell to the same stuff during alignment points.
If she does turn out to the the Heroine, at least contain to her own route and try and make the plot passable.

>>387278000
Nocturne has Yuko, she just wasn't made as important as previous heroines like Hiroko or Beth.

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But it has been anon

387278495
Eh, I'll acknowledge it but not (You) worthy.

Okay, riddle me fucking this anons.

WHY THE FUCK IS STR SO SHIT IN DDS2? This is beyond just being slightly biased, this is outright just spitting on the face of STR and sucking MAG dick like hell, im not even going to mention the level of bullshit that happened in terms of plot but fuck me, getting to the place im in now was such a fucking slog without good STR skills and the usual "final area has almost everyone doing shit like vanity and status effect spamming alongside being imune/reflecting phys" shit.

Ragnarok better have been worth the effort.

>>387278968
Just depends on the game, in SMTIV strength is also complete shit in comparison to magic. Still, there are cases like nocturne where it's the other way around, comes down to them not being balanced enough.

>>387279106
In SMTIV, DEX > MAG > STR(worthless)

>>387263075
IV is better.

Nocturne is a game that suffers from minimal characterisation and a bias towards the True Demon ending.

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>>387278495
>personafags ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS

>>387279829
IV is arguably the worst mainline SMT. The game is too easy after medusa, the cast is weak, and there are toonmany plotholes. I enjoy it and things like the atmosphere and soundtrack are incredible but still.

>>387265005
Buffs, debuffs and weaknesses, that's it, that's how shallow this acclaimed game is.

>>387279989
>IV is arguably the worst mainline SMT.
Confirmed for never playing I.

>>387280146
What are you talking about? I is great, and in somethings better than II.

>>387270052
>not maxing your st before even giving a single point in any other stat

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>>387280562
>Not doing a full Luck build

>>387271282
>vitality
The most worthless stat in the entire game.

Strength, Agility, Luck (with agility and luck being one point higher than Strength) is where it's at.

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Nocturne > I > SJ > IVF > II > IV

>>387281263
Interested, why I so high? I like it a lot but even I can acknowledge that time hasn't been kind to it. I do agree on I > IV at least.

>>387281545
I love the simplicity of the plot, characters (which surprisingly I kinda cared about, Chaos Hero is best bro), atmosphere, music and the gameplay while dated I found surprisingly addicting.
The reason I hated II so much is because the dungeons were so fucking convoluted and obnoxious, it was like every single dungeon starting from the Underground was the Cathedral from I.
It also had some weird shit I didn't have like fucked up buffing and broken negotiations but this might be because of the translation patch I played.

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What's the best SMT to start with? The only Atlus RPG I've played was Persona 5, and the only reason I got didn't die of boredom was because of its style.

>>387282663
Try out smt4 or apocalypse, if you wsnt to try out older stuff, smt3 aka nocturne, if you want a megaten game, not direct mainlime but still good stuff, try out decil survivors or DDS1, I wont recomend two unless you are a Mag fag.

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Name a more hype song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0MEIzRlM8s

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>>387283062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvGgWq8UjyI

>>387283062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6om-6N_yclo

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>>387283062
hard to be hyped fighting a lame looking ayy lmao. interms of just music this is way more hype

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik

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>>387284048
What were they thinking?