PS2 multiplats looked like THAT??!

The fifth and sixth generation fell like cold water over the competition eh

It was pretty much universal that Xbox original games looked better than any PS2 game or multiplat. Sure there's cherry picks here and there, but it's how it was.

If there was ever a choice to play a game on xbox that you could play on ps2 as well, you should have always went for xbox.

>ps2 games looked like shit
wow what a shock, even the dreamcast while hooked up to vga cables looks a thousand times better than any ps2 game

>>387244648
The xbox was far more powerful than the other systems of it's time, too bad it barely had any games compared to the PS2

now stop shit posting

>>387244648
Yes, ofcourse the original Xbox looks better because it was released years after PS2, we already knew that.

>>387244648
Even GC games looked better than PS2 garbage.

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>>387244802
Let's not totally exaggerate things, shall we?

>>387244879
Not an argument.
PS3 was release years after the X360 and games looked better on 360.

>>387244950
why does heathers left arm look fucked up? is this on an emulator?

>>387244648
Yes but you probably wouldn't notice on a CRT with shitty composite cables.

>>387244648
But Full Spectrum Warrior was a PC/Xbox exclusive

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the xbox came out later with better technology.
and the ps2 still managed to be the best selling console ever.

Progressive scan all does the difference. But yeah, Xbox was more powerful and easier to develop (at least for western devs experienced with PCs) as well.

>>387244648
OP here, the PS2 game also runs locked at 20fps while xbox is 30fps.

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>>387244648
right one looks objectively better

>>387245483
yup.
ps2 almost always had the shittier multiplatform version of a game but games still sold better on the ps2 compared to xbox.

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>>387245052
nah, it's just the (nowadays) super low shadow resolution, aliasing down her arm. The fact that they even managed to have full dynamic shadows + self-shadowing on a PS2, not to mention have the game run at (mostly) 60fps, is quite an achievement.

You can nowadays crank up the shadow and DOF res as high as you want on the PC port.

>>387245240
It had a PS2 release a year later.

>>387244648
You should see the PS2 port of Chaos Theory. The co-op missions were literally split into tiny five-minute segments.

>>387245808
>still waiting for Xbox emulator to play the best and proper version of Double Agent

>>387244950
Isn't the background a still image?

>>387245887
just mod an xbox bro

>>387245994
It's not as easy to get one here.

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>>387245897
No. Silent Hill games have fully 3D, polygonal and texture mapped environments, coupled with dynamic lighting.

>>387246042
where are you from? its harder to find an original xbox that isnt modded here in ontario

>>387244648
Full Spectrum Warrior was one of the uglier multiplats, but yes they did look much worse than xbox.

Didn't affect sales at all though. Crazy how that works.

>>387246497
not him, but here in EU, it's hard to find an Xbox hueg, per se. And the few I occasionally see in fleamarkets etc are almost certainly not modded.

>>387246497
Eastern Bloc country. Basically at the time it used to be PC and PS2 territory due to cheaper price and piracy.

>>387246746
those seem to be around 20-40€ here now. bought 2 for 16€ few years ago but other one broke down immediately and neither were modded though.

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>>387244648
GTA VC and SA were some of the only multiplats that looked best on PS2 that generation. They had impressive visual effects that were never ported out of laziness.

>>387247867
did you mean pc?

>>387248047

pc was way too sterile and empty compared to the ps2, lots of effects were missing, many things were stripped on the pc version

>>387248181
based on that screenshot the pc version looks better. the ps2 looks blurry af

>>387248434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY3LcF-EwPo
Check it out.

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>>387244926
>Even GC games looked better than PS2 garbage.
nope

It was like this Xbox > PS2 > GCN

>>387248434
PC has better resolution and draw distance, but misses on some atmosphere creating effects from PS2. You can probably mod them in though.

>>387248769
Nah, mostly it was Xbox > GC > PS2, though GC more often had worse textures than PS2 due to mini DVD.

>>387248863
you cab mod in the orange tint. the sole reason i prefer the ps2 version is because of that

>>387248181
Hahahaha, you're 100% blind if you think VC and SA look better on PS2 than Xbox. GTA 3 is arguable so I MAY be able to give you that one.
>effects were missing
You mean the piss filter disguised as a sun effect so that the terrible texture resolution wouldn't look so bad? Or do you mean the laughable draw distance that was disguised as fog?

>>387248982
No, he means the lighting effects.
See >>387248608

>>387248979
prefered* FUCK

Someone post the comparisons between Gamecube RE4 and PS2 RE4.

>>387248978
>GC more often had worse textures than PS2 due to mini DVD.
This is a myth. 95% of games in 6th generation were 1.5 GB or less. It had worse textures due to having less main RAM than PS2.

>>387247867
>PS2 runs at a lower resolution, has lower texture resolution, CJ has a black blob for a shadow on PS2 while Xbox has a full shadow for CJ and PS2 is missing Ambient Occlusion and is missing alpha blended fog effects on Xbox version

Whatever you say senpai

>>387249378
>6th gen
>ambient occlusion
How old are you?

>>387244648
Are you surprised? Playstation games have never looked great. Sony has not won most console generations through great performing hardware or exclusives games. Sony wins simply because Playstation is for whatever reason the gaming platform for American dudebros, European FIFA fags, and Jap home gamers.

>>387249378
>all other versions have missing day/night cycle effects that change the look of the game entirely, making it look more empty
But muh resolution and draw distance

>>387249072
Yes... the piss yellow overlay put there to blur shit up so you couldn't see the awful texture fillerate. It was taken out for good reason.

>>387249513

It fills its niche just like Nintendo and Microsoft fill theirs

>>387249508
Well I'm 28, and I have no idea what ambient occlusion is. That's probably because I am not a graphics engineer or an autist who cares way too much about the specifics of game design.

>>387249556
Every time a game tries to have a unique look though visual filters there's always retards who complain and prefer the game designed around said filters to have a completely empty look without them. I seriously don't understand you people.

>>387249692
True, but Sony's niches are bigger. That's primarily why Sony wins console generations, not because their systems are actually better.

>>387247867
That xbox version
>Silent Hill, home . . .

>>387248769
Do i need to post resident evil 4 to prove your stupid ass wrong?

>>387249785

PS4 is actually the strongest base system this generation, almost all multiplats look better on it, but last gen was also won by Wii which was a piece of shit hardware so I guess specs are not always what's important

>>387249853
>people are still using that botch port as an argument
smfh

>>387249853
How would a rushed port of a former GC exclusive achieve so?

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Remember when the xbox literally had a hard drive built in but sonybros had to buy memory cards? Remember the PS2 only had 2 controller ports? Remember having to buy a network adapter and the PS2's "online"

what a terrible machine

>>387249713
No you're just wrong. I realized you grew up with a DVD player that happened to also play games, so you're very nostalgic about it, but the Xbox's clarity and draw distance just takes a steaming shit on the ps2 version.

>>387249963
>>387249960
>muh port
Alright backpedal, but what about timesplitters 2 and FP?

Xbox was capable of HD 720p, it was far more powerful than the PS2.

>>387250019
ps2s online really was pathetic, even sega net was better.

>>387245043
Until later in the gen when devs figured out how to develop for the architecture.

>>387250046
No, it makes it look more flat. Missing graphical effects is more important than resolution and draw distance. I can only imagine somebody exceptionally stupid thinking otherwise.

>>387250104
Name one game that looked or ran better on the PS3.

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>>387249697
>That's probably because I am not a graphics engineer or an autist who cares way too much about the specifics of game design.
you don't have to be a scientist to know the meaning and logic behind basic graphical terms you fucking retarded asswank
I was aware of this terminology when I was half your age. For an 28 year old, you're really fucking stupid, you know? Guess you actually are autistic, you just live in denial

>>387250080
>need a separate configuration disc to configure the network (with few exceptions)
What were they thinking?
Serious question, how did you configure network on DC?

>>387249963
>>387249960
Also Viewtiful Joe and Killer7 on PS2 had massive Framerate issues.

>>387250184
The effects are only there to mask how weak the system is, they're obsolete when ported to an actual gaming console.

>>387248769
But GC ran at 60fps

>>387250019
But it had the best games.

>>387250571
Like what?

>>387250224
Bioshock, LA Noire

>>387250768
Objectively wrong on both accounts

>>387250768
Both wrong, thanks for proving my point.

>>387250058
It wasn't really a question of better hardware. Xbox used its 64 MB main RAM for VRAM as well, while PS2 only had 4 MB of VRAM. Resolutions such as 1280x720x16bpp were impossible to use for 3D rendering by conventional means as you need 3 buffers for that + some for textures which well exceeds 4 MB.

>>387250281
>never bothered to look up technical graphics terms
>this makes someone both stupid and autistic
I don't think you know what either of those terms mean, anon.

IIRC both the Xbox and GameCube were more powerful than the PS2, Resident Evil 4 had several effects cut in the PS2 version because the console couldn't handle them.

>>387250446
The effects are an objective improvement no matter how much mental gymnastics you do.

>>387250571
It's a myth. PS2 has the most shovelware and some good exclusive 99% of which were ported to PS3/4. And all multiplats worked better on Xbox/GC. There's little reason to own PS2 today.

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>>387250339
iirc you needed a disc with the dreamcast to but it came with one if you bought a dreamcast new, you could also use that disc to browse the internet and download shit to your vmu. its also funny, how the dreamcast did voice chat better than the switch did.

>>387251075
The general consensus back in the day was that the best games on Xbox and GC were better than the best games on PS2, partly because of its weak hardware. If you check metacritic Halo and Metroid were rated higher than any PS2 exclusives.

>>387250939
It wasn't really about the console's capabilities, but about the dev's. You can only do so much in a year when tasked to port a very GC centered code with no portability in mind to a completely different architecture.

>>387251075
this.

>>387251005
Keep telling yourself that. Just try not to start arguements in favor of the ps2, because you're pretty much always going to look like a dumbass.

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>>387244648
Yes they looked like shit compared to next gen games

>>387251075
>it had the best games
>Those don't count as they were ported to its successor years later!
Good going buddy.

>>387251631
but its okay when that argument is applied to the dreamcast right? smfh sony dicklickers have no shame

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>>387244648
I was looking at the compass for a minute trying to figure out what was different............

>>387251675
There was a successor to DC?

>>387251749
yes

>>387251516
The irony is palpable.

>>387251853
Umm... no, nothing I said there was meant to imply the opposite given the situation, get a fucking dictionary sony-pony.

>>387251075
Xbox and gamecube also had mostly shovelware, which made the already small library even smaller
Also some shovelware were actually good gems

Ps2 was also easily moddable and you could choose from thousands of games.

>>387252192
Such an autistic response only digs your hole further.

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>>387244648
And in the end, nobody even cared

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>>387244802
even the dreamcast while hooked up to vga cables looks a thousand times better than any ps2 game

literally the ONLY "console war" worth debating is 4th gen thats it. every other gen its obvious who the winner was unless you are straight up delusional

>>387252449
These days Sonyfags are the ones who are obsessed with graphics. So apparently not only Sonyfags cared, but they also got mental trauma from having shitty graphics.

>>387252573
But the SNES was clearly superior to the Genesis.

>>387252559
>literally just copying my entire comment
i hate when people do this, just say >implying and be done with it.

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>>387245545
>Progressive scan all does the difference

Yup.

>>387252646
nah i like genesis better

>>387252646
Genesis had a faster CPU so many games (e.g. shmups) ran with less slowdown. Also many multiplats (e.g. Lion King, Earthworm Jim) were better on Genesis because of the increased resolution.

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>>387245897
No you're thinking of Onimusha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bWvIOA5g1s

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Xbox came out like 2 years after PS2
PS2 was finalised in 1999, but delayed to very early 2000

Xbox was using top of the line 2001 PC hardware, it would have been even more beastly if Microsoft didn't underclock the CPU & cheap out on the RAM

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>>387245712
Heather is the single most perfect PS2 model ever made IMO. She is so beautiful.

>>387252771
has there ever been a 6th gen thread where this image hasnt been posted?

>>387252771
>early 2000
>posts holiday 2001 software lineup

so you admit you had no games for 2 years?

>>387252204
I tried playing the PS2 "classic" games like God Hand, Shadow of the Colossus, ICO and Yakuza, and these games just terrible, they control and play worse than mobile games.

>>387252947
PS2's launch was pretty famous for NO GAEMS
Tekken Tag was cool though, but that was about it

>>387250046
>a DVD player that happened to also play games

People are still upset this many years later. If the GC had DVD playback as well, it would just be some other excuse

>>387252747
Yeah but SNES has 256 simultaneous colors and far superior sound. It also has a far superior game library.

>>387249853
>>387250361
Those games were part of the Capcom 5 (i.e. the games that Capcom promised would be exclusive to Gamecube). They were always designed from the ground up to be for Gamecube and only for Gamecube, never intended to be multiplatform games.

When the Gamecube undersold, Capcom executives went into a panic and demanded those games get quickly ported to PS2. Which is why the PS2 ports were shit. It has nothing to do with system power.

>>387250053
>what about timesplitters 2 and FP?
Well here's what I found in the comparison

>The GameCube version...falters the most out of the three considering framerate
http://ign.com/articles/2005/03/29/timesplitters-future-perfect-head-to-head

>>387244648
Xbox was always the better multiplat console, it's just nobody fucking had one where i grew up. I didn't even know it existed until the 360 came out, never knew a kid with an xbox. I assume it was because it was expensive as hell compared to the other choices and your dad must've had a boat and two ATV's to afford an xbox.

>>387244648
It's very much known that all the ps2 multiplats looked better on gamecube and xbox.
PS2 just had quantity over quality.

>>387251075
The fact that those great games were available years later changes nothing about how good they were at the time of release on the original platform, holy shit what gymnastics.

>>387252771
Gran Turismo 3 was by far the best in the entire series.

>>387253112
I prefer the SNES library and hardware capabilities but it's really a matter of taste.

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>>387253061
The Gamecube would have cost way too much if it had a DVD player. Nintendo was right not to include one because it would have been slightly more powerful than the ps2 at best if it did. Playstation also had a monopoly on the demographic that would have been interested in DVD playback too(18-40years old).

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>>387252635
>These days Sonyfags are the ones who are obsessed with graphics

False. Because oncs again, a PlayStation system is inferior in graphics to another platform (PC) and guess what still? nobody even cares

its fucking hilarious seeing people trying to defend the gamecube and pretend it wasnt a massive fuck up.

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>>387245043
>PS3 was release years after the X360

The /v/ userbase is now so young that it doesn't even remember mid-00's.

>>387252654
Nah, the reason anons copy you entire text is so that any anons who cannot be arsed to look back know EXACTLY the point you made. It means you said something that all ought to read to be argued with.

>>387253417
I liked the games and I liked the graphics. But it failed and that's why we ended up with the Wii, which printed money but had no games.

>>387253112
>far superior sound
No, it has more versatile sound. Not superior. Genesis has two main advantages: 1) FM audio is always sharp, not subject to the horrible muffled compression that PCM (what SNES uses) is prone to due to the console only having a limited amount of sound RAM, 2) Genesis has more raw sound channels (10) against the SNES (8). Granted, some of those extra sound channels that Genesis has are fairly basic ones but they can be put to good use and its extra layering in the audio that SNES can't do.

>It also has a far superior game library.
Only if you are an autist who judges a console's library by the number of JRPGs it has (and there are too many of these lowlifes out there). While the SNES library is good, the Genesis library is more than a match.

>>387253534
I wonder what you think of 5th gen.

>>387253486
Not an argument.

>>387253354
The license per unit doesn't cost that much (sub-$10 if I recall properly), even less if you include the logos somewhere on the case.

Xbox and GC had, objectively, better hardware, there's no debate on that.

PS2 had a better line up of games, there's no debate on that either.

>>387253493
I swear sonyfaggots are hilarious. They are so obsessed with sales as some kind of measure of success when Sony is actually the company that's doing the worst financially regardless of how many consoles they sell and is the only console manufacturer that could realistically go bankrupt.

>>387253583
I don't even care about arguments on which kiddybox is da best, but realizing how young the people who post here always comes as a suprise.

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>>387252947
Uh? Fuck off? Day one in fact.

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>>387253687
Objectively, that's false.

>>387253687
>PS2 had a better line up of games, there's no debate on that either.

KOTOR, Morrowind, Ninja Gaiden Black, Halo CE were better than any game on the PS2. There's no debate on that.

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>>387253687
>Xbox and GC had, objectively, better hardware, there's no debate on that.
quite clearly there is a debate on that, least as far as GC goes

>>387244879
>Years later
It was only 1 year later

>>387253687
GC had easy to use hardware, but the PS2 was more powerful.

Xbox was easier and more powerful than both.

>>387253719
That's also a good point. Nintendo didn't go into the red until the Wii U, while Sony pissed away all their PS1 and PS2 profits on the PS2 and Microsoft sunk millions on the Xbox.

>>387244648
The Xbox was more powerful, but that wasn't the norm, most multiplats were just slightly worse on the PS2.

Power-wise:
Xbox >> PS2 > GCN >>> DC

>>387253818
*on the ps3

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>>387253860
this is a fact: we never saw the true potential of the dreamcast power. yu suzuki, the god himself, has said that the dreamcast was capable of 5x the power of shenmue!

>>387253575
N64 was easily the most powerful 3D console in 5th gen but it was difficult to use properly (not unlike the PS2) so you have half the game library which looks incredible and the other half which looks like dogshit

Saturn could kick some serious PS1 arse at 2D though and N64 barely even had any 2D games

>>387253781
>KOTOR, Morrowind, Ninja Gaiden Black, Halo CE were better than any game on the PS2. There's no debate on that.

Ninja gaiden's alright. Thas about it. Got Silent Hill 3 nigga??

>>387253721
>I don't even care about arguments
You replied to me, so you clearly do.
Also, not an argument again.

>>387253136
Nah Gamecube was more powerful

PS2 couldn't into shaders or AA

>>387253757
>one game and it wasnt even as good as tekken 3

>>387252646
https://youtu.be/BfFjOqquYtI

>>387253982
>Saturn could kick some serious PS1 arse at 2D though
As long as you don't want sprite-sprite translucency.

>>387253770
>Audio: Handled by CPU
Doesn't the PS2 have that SPU that is essentially 2 PS1 processors duct taped together?

>>387245043
>>387245043
>>387253583
>>387254043
lmaoing @ ur life

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>>387254052
>no games
>okay ONE game

As long as you were objectivley wrong thats all i need, and fuck off fool, TTT on single player mode basically IS Tekken 3. The only people who still think T3 was the best/only good one just out themselves as people who DON'T play Tekken games and literally just bought that one. And i have been playing Tekken since 1997.

>>387254189
It does. It also has the PS1's CPU to help as the I/O processor.

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>>387253719
seeing sony dicklickers defending the ps3 is even more funny. they cant go the "muh sales" argument because the wii sold more and they cant go the "muh games" argument because the 360 had better games. so they either resort to saying the ps3 sold more than the 360 and pretend the wii doesnt exist or pretend the first half of 7th gen never happened and say the ps3 had more exclusives. they are so delusional to the point where they cant admit that the ps3 lost.

>>387254221
Not an argument.

>>387254002
got it on pc
>>387254239
no games is just a phrase, newfag. and im pretty sure he was saying it was shit anyways.

>>387254317

>>387254258
>either resort to saying the ps3 sold more than the 360
Has there ever been any actual confirmation that that ever happened? Only times I've ever seen it posted was always some random analyst or a place like VGChartz. You would think if it actually happened sony would be bragging about it everywhere yet not a peep?

>>387254049
>PS2 couldn't into shaders or AA
The PS2 could brute force shader-like effects because it had a whopping 16 pixel pipelines (Gamecube and Xbox only had 4, though each pipeline was individually more powerful than PS2's)

PS2 supported SSAA (downsampling from higher resolution) and quite a few of games used it. On the other hand, barely any Gamecube games used that console's MSAA because the console didn't have the VRAM to do it without huge penalties. For example, typically Gamecube runs games at 640x480 with 24 bit framebuffer. With MSAA on I think the limit is 640x240 with 16 bit framebuffer. It's too big of a trade off so nobody really used it. Gamecube just looks less jaggy cause 1) Many PS2 games don't run at the full 640x480 but 512x448 or something (due to VRAM space restrictions) and 2) Many PS2 games don't use interlaced filter filtering because the hardware doesn't do it for you, it's a manual thing like everything on PS2.

>>387254350
>and im pretty sure he was saying it was shit anyways.

Well he is fucking wrong.

>>387254460
*flicker filtering

>>387253770
Why was the PS2's cache so fucking tiny? I wonder what the waitstates were like on the scratchpad RAM, some unified memory architecture this is

>>387254493
ok relax anon

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>>387244648
WOAH you mean xbox controllers used to look like THAT?!

>>387254562
I am

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>>387254189
Basically yes.

>>387254649
nah you seem pissed bro, maybe you should relax for a bit

>>387254613
The Duke was fantastic.

>>387253136
GC was more powerful than PS2, both GC and XB were noticeably more powerful than PS2.

>>387245043
360 released in 2005, PS3 released in 2006.

>>387253493
Wii had an attach rate of 8.86 games per console and sold over 900,000,000 units of software. It had games, and people bought them, the numbers don't lie.

>>387254613
>that absurd d-pad

Microsoft told me everything i needed to know about their system the games they wanted to have, just on their neglect of their d-pad. I wanted nothing to do with them and two gens worth of line up have since confirmed my concerns about them.

>>387254556
>Why was the PS2's cache so fucking tiny?
It was offset in other places. Basically both of PS2's vector units sitting inside of Emotion Engine have their own cache which isn't included in that total. Gamecube's GPU contains a vector unit but it doesn't have a cache at all (making it less efficient per GFLOP than one of PS2's vector units).

Also I believe that even though the cache was smaller, it was faster. Gamecube's cache in particular is large but fairly slow (e.g. Gamecube's L2 cache is only 2 way associative while Xbox's L2 cache is 8 way associative.)

>>387254613
Why is the dude taking the picture in a ref's uniform?

>>387244950
That's just Team Silent being god tier devs, the PS2 was still a piece of trash.

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>>387244802
yeah man, sonic adventure and all those other dreamcast games looked way better than MGS3

>>387253609
I meant cost for the dvd drive and having a laser strong enough to read the disc. Don't forget the extra ram you need to dedicate to video playback.

>>387254457
yeah, i havent seen actual confirmation of it either.

>>387254918
MGS3 ran like garbage and looked as bad. I'd rather play Sonic Adventure 2 with crystal clear VGA and sharp textures than MGS3 with its pathetic 512x448 interlaced sub-30fps video and disgustingly smeared textures.

>>387254556
Because EE was already a fuckhuge die (240 mm^2) with all the stuff that was embedded on it.

>>387253719

Hasn't Microsoft failed to make a profit on any iteration of the XBox? Or was that a meme someone shitposted?

>>387254918
>>387253971

>>387254917
The PS2 still had to be capable of doing it first you fuck, think about what you just said. It was clearly a dev problem not a hardware one, once they had done it.

>>387254750
If GC is more powerful than PS2, then how come one of the programmers for all three systems had the following to say about it

>"[Gamecube] was by far the worst performing of the 3 platforms. You should see the performance penalty when god forbid the GPU has to clip a polygon, it was so bad I actually wrote code to traverse triangle lists and clip tris with the CPU."
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/was-gc-more-or-less-powerful-than-ps2-spawn.52550/#post-1640713

>>387254457
>Has there ever been any actual confirmation that that ever happened?
Yes, official sales numbers from both console makers.

>>387255057
this is true, they lost millions on the original xbox and 360. the only thing that somewhat recouped those loses was the massive success of xbox live

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lmao

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>>387254613
>giant xbox logo in the middle for no reason, not even a home button, it's just there in case you have brain damage and forget that it's an xbox that you're playing
>ludicrous THICC circular design, is neither aesthetic nor functional
>smooth round d-pad, because clearly unclear divisions between angles are what you want with a digital on-off 8 way control input
>right stick has a different design than left stick which serves no purpose aside from increasing manufacturing cost

>>387255159
well? post it.

>>387255209
it's a shitty rushed port
Might ass well compare early DC/PS2 mutliplats like DoA

>>387255087
Wow, your single forum post, that isn't even agreed upon by the rest of the posters in the thread, by the way, is exceedingly convincing.

>>387252817
It is a defining images of the 6th gen.
In that generation, companies took customers seriously.
Developers pushed technology to the limit from the start.
Publishers didn't have the cushion of 50 million casual and actually still had to work at being good.

That image is a reminder of how poor things have become over the last two generations since. Six of those games sold more units than Bloodbourne has or will. And Bloodbourne has a bigger install base. Gaming has changed,

>>387255057
360 was profitable towards the end, but in general no. that being said MS has more money than god and they're committed to the xbox brand

>>387255334
The developer goes on and on throughout that thread (if it's the one I think it is). He makes the points made here >>387253792

>>387255087
The hardware and firmware were hard for developers to work with. That has nothing to do with the amount of power it has (which is in fact more than the PS2)
PS3 had the same story with its weird architecture

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>>387255338
totally dude, all 100 million people who bought an original playstation were hardcore gamers like you and i

>>387244648
>lower the resolution
>hurr ps2 is shit

PS2 was just straight up the reason why the gen was full of shit looking games.

>>387255252
I don't see how shitty rushed ports resulted in losing fucking trees

>>387253534

Take out every JRPG and the best games on SNES still shit on the best games on Genesis all day.

>>387247867
I remember the xbox version of SA having much better textures. It was immediately noticeable when you went from one version to the other.

>>387255209
>literally built exclusivly for the GC with its architecture in mind
>rushed the port once they realised fucking GC shits wern't going to make them a return on their investment.

If RE4 had been chained to the GC we may have ended up with the same reaction REmake got when it got a multiplatform release two years ago "W-WOAH THIS IS GOOD?!"

And i had RE4 day ONE on GC

>>387255514
A lot of 6th gen games hold up well though.

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>>387254613
how did tiny manlet american hands ever play with that LOL

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>>387255446
That's horseshit.

>>387255334
>that isn't even agreed upon by the rest of the posters in the thread, by the way, is exceedingly convincing.
They don't agree because they aren't actually game developers and they fell for the meme that Gamecube was more powerful so they react in disbelief despite a person who actually has knowledge and experience saying otherwise.

Kind of like this thread really

Anyway he spells it out quite clearly that Gamecube was a weakling but because the PS2 was such a convoluted piece of shit that it was hard to get better visuals out of it even though it had more raw power

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>>387255535

>>387255175
>millions
Try billions
>https://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-total-8-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/

They both tried to sell consoles at losses and make up for it elsewhere, and it failed miserably, especially for Sony. It's a big reason why MS tried to grab everyone by the collective balls and both new consoles are shitboxes with half their libraries filled with ports and re-releases.

>>387255514
That's every gen for sony. No matter how unsuccessful the console they always manage to do impressive amounts of damage to the industry.

>>387255209
Kek, man the PS2 was trash.
No wonder one of their console designers got punched over the shitty emotion engine.

>>387255462
>totally dude, all 100 million people who bought an original playstation were hardcore gamers like you and i

Implying you and i even fucking are... Jesus.

>>387255514
it really was

>>387255338
Most people who own a PS4 own it for COD/FIFA etc, really Bloodborne & other exclusives are for a niche audience these days, Sony even admitted AAA exclusives are not even really profitable

>>387255672
that wasnt the point i was trying to make but okay.

>>387255416
I'm not going to question his credibility or skills as a developer, but the consensus among pretty much everyone that's not him, smart people included, is that GC and XB were better.

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>tfw PS2 emulation isn't perfect yet
God fucking dammit

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The PS2 was the weakest of the 3 consoles overall, the Gamecube was held back by the idiotic decision to use mini DVD or whatever.

OG Xbox was more powerful than the Wii on GPU performance.

>>387255746
it was the same exact shit for the ps2 as well

>>387255584
>everyone that disagrees is just stupid and uninformed!
Wow, very fair and unbiased argument you have there.

>>387255772
>the consensus among pretty much everyone that's not him, smart people included, is that GC and XB were better.
No, it's literally the consensus among idiot forum posts who don't know shit. It's literally as valuable as the consensus among ordinary folk who believe vaccines cause autism.

A consensus of medical doctors would have a different opinion.

>>387255831
The architecture of the Xbox was pretty unbalanced, the CPU and RAM couldn't keep up with the GPU.

>>387255209
b-but ps2 is more powerful

>>387255874
He cites facts, you have nothing.

>>387255209
>>387255665
>>387255540
>>387255252
Yall niggas ain't got shit on the Zeebo port
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBh-vBFeegs

>>387255763
Well it's absurd. Of course not, but we also like to pretend that most of us wern't fucking kids in the 1990's with no disposable income. Just because your parents let you play video games and bought you a console doesn't make us hardcore.

>>387255882
>Y-y-ou just don't know what you're talking about!
Yup, thought so. Everyone disagrees with you, so you just call them all stupid.

>>387255774
Just buy a modded xbox and play it.

>>387255885
Mostly that's just going to leave you limited to 30fps with higher quality visuals

>>387256027
again, that wasnt the point i was trying ot make.

>>387256016
not a port

>>387256121
Well what did you mean then? How do we measure how many? 3/4? 50/50?

>>387255072
http://www.ign.com/articles/2001/08/17/silent-hill-2s-producer-akihito-imamura-not-so-silent

>Akihito Imamura: The best aspect is that it draws translucency fast. Thanks to this aspect, SH2 creates beautiful fog and shadow. A point which we are less happy about is that the memory amount is low. The memory amount is too low to place high-quality character models and textures. We had to go through extra struggles to obtain these images.

>>387255462
The image is from 2001, barely 10 million PS2s were sold at that point.
PS2 and gaming did not become a mass medium until ~2003-2004. That was about the year the industry went into 4th gear.

>>387256130
I heard it uses the mobile version assets, so it is a port, technically.

>Hardware
Xbox > GC > PS2 > DC
>Exclusive games
GC > PS2 > DC > Xbox
>Game diversity
PS2 > Xbox > DC > GC
>Modding
Xbox > PS2 > DC > GC

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>>387254775
>360 d-pad was just as bad
>had to cut up a cross shaped cardboard insert and put it in my controller just to make the d-pad usable
>even fucking dark souls where you only use the d-pad to switch items and weapons and spells is practically unplayable without doing this because you constantly hit diagonals unintentionally and switch something you didn't want to switch which can and does get you killed

>>387256115
Well if the RAM can't keep up, then the GPU can't put its pretty effects in the framebuffer fast enough to put on screen at a really high framerate

Crippled as it was Xbox was still a lot more powerful than PS2 and GCN. PS2 could only beat the Xbox at extremely specific things like alpha blending (because that's a feature completely bottlenecked by RAM bandwidth and the PS2 has more of it).

>>387256221
BUT THEY DID IT. NO ONE SAID IT WOULD BE EASY. JESUS FUCK.

>>387253360
Who's deciding on those shitty names? It's wii u tier garbage.

>>387255974
>facts
No, he cited a random forum from a single developer.

I'd like to see the PS2 run Windwaker without shitting itself, always found this interesting

http://polycount.com/discussion/104415/zelda-wind-waker-tech-and-texture-analysis-picture-heavy

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>>387256234
t. underage who wasnt around when the ps2 launched

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>ea dev shitting on a nintendo console
no way!

>>387256563
Mikami also said that RE7 is good and that RE5 is bad. We should just stop listening to this hack.

>>387256494
>Exceptionally good devs circumvent a system's heavy limitations while 99,9% others don't
>It's not the hardware's fault REEEEEEEEE

Admit it already Sony shill. I love the PS2 library but it was an ugly piece of shit hardware-wise.

>>387256560
There's nothing technically impressive about Wind Waker. The attention to detail is fairly impressive, but nothing that actually pushes the hardware hard.

I actually find it a bit laughable that he made a slide about how the light on Link's body can only come from a single torch at any one time, and is trying to pass that off as an impressive feature.

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>>387256675
Whats the fucking problem here? The man is correct. He should know he made some of the fucking good ones.

>>387256675
He's right though.

Can everyone in this thread at least agree that Japanese companies(aside from maybe SEGA), are terrible at making console hardware and gaming would be better if it was only western companies designing the hardware?

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>>387256631
>gamecube wins again baby

>>387256781
He wasn't passing it off as an impressive feature, it was just a technical analysis. Not everything is an ego-stroking contest.

>>387256757
Yeah it was, but it could still fucking do it.

>>387255087
>when god forbid the GPU has to clip a polygon
I mean, the PS2 wasn't good at it either.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4xqonkjtpc7wtoz/final-gdc2002-clippingps2.pdf

>>387256967
It's clearly not the same instance though, can you prove if we move Spidey to the exact same spot as in the PS2 version with the camera in the same angle, that extra piece of town won't suddenly pop in to view ?

Cherrypicking LOD and draw distance is really scraping the bottom of the barrel, sonyfriend.

>>387256885
Agreed. PS4 is Sony's exception because of Cerny. Though Vita was apparently development friendly as well.

>tfw I still remember seeing GTAIVs graphics and being absolutely blown the fuck away
>that fire and smoke
>those rag doll physics
it really was an insane jump from PS2 to PS3, new gens don't even feel that special anymore

>>387257165
>it really was an insane jump from PS2 to 360
FTFY

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>>387256290
>Exclusive games
>GC above PS2

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>>387256967
>mfw I thought that game looked good

>>387257214
>he bought a 360
how do you feel knowing you and people like you are responsible for PS+ and xbox live? How did you feel buying a console with a 50% failure rate?

>>387256285
True, I just meant it's not a port of the original RE4 game.

>>387257001
Never said it couldn't. Glad we agree at last that it's a colossal piece of shit machine.

>>387257306
>he thinks XBL was the first subscription service for games

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hi op, it appears the problem is you are using a flat panel LCD tv to view these games when they were in fact designed for CRT tvs. This will do remarkable damage to the video signal, especially when you are not using the best signal available for the system (RGsB for PS2 and Y/Pb/Pr for the Xbox.) Ideally you would have a multiformat monitor but if you do not, a 480i CRT will make these games look their best.

There is no debate, no discussion, if you are not playing 6th gen games and older on a CRT you are getting an inferior experience.

>>387257024
Clipping is one of the slowest operations any GPU does. I think you misunderstand these slides.

The point of clipping is trade more CPU or vector unit workload for less workload on the pixel pipelines. On PS2 it has so many pixel pipelines that you may as well not clip and just get it to draw everything. It's got pixel drawing power to spare. Doing that is a more efficient use of the system since it frees up Emotion Engine to do other things.

On Gamecube you don't really have that luxury, it doesn't have a high fill rate. Unfortunately the clipping unit built into the GPU is slow as fuck. I believe Wind Waker doesn't do much clipping for that reason - Nintendo decided to take the PS2 option and just get the Gamecube's pixel pipelines to draw everything. The problem is that the Gamecube can't just waste its fill rate on needless shit like the PS2 can - it's more precious on 'Cube.

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>>387255252
Simplified architecture is a rushed port? No, that actually requires more effort.
Simplified architecture, lack of lighting and shadows, reduced reflections, reduced enemies on screen(I think it's been a while), lower quality textures, etc.
Come on.
As for a lot of these muliplats, they were often made to run on PS2 hardware with it's unique features first, given that it had the biggest userbase and then ported to the other consoles. Just look at MGS2 no one can argue that the XBOX was weaker than the PS2 but none the less it ran and looked worse, because a lot of the effects were made to specifically for the PS2 and could not be easily transferred, as a result many Xbox ports were nowhere near as good as they could have been or were missing effects,
The PS2 was the weakest console of the three, I don't know why anyone can think otherwise without using.
Now here is a game that wasn't gimped by the PS2 hardware and instead was made from the top and brought down as needed.
PS2 is clearly the worst one, whereas the Xbox version has many of the PC qualities.

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>>387255009
>and looked as bad
Anon please.

>>387256290
I owned a gc and xbox, but the ps2 still had the most quantity of exclusive titles.

>>387257306
It's actually retarded niggers like you who refuse to blame Sony for their anti-consumer bullshit that they are now worse than Microsoft or any console manufacturer ever was. Enjoy your PS Plus prices being raised every year while you keep coming here to shill for them and try to get more people to buy PS4's.

>>387257132
>It's clearly not the same instance though, can you prove if we move Spidey to the exact same spot as in the PS2 version with the camera in the same angle
you have to be blind if you think it's not pretty much the same

>>387257306
>how do you feel knowing you and people like you are responsible for PS+ and xbox live?
well considering companies like EA and activision had their own paid online subscription ready to go but was scrapped because of xbox live, it feels good. at least xbox live was good, fucking ps3 didnt even have in game xmb at launch kek
> How did you feel buying a console with a 50% failure rate?
with free repairs? pretty good. meanwhile, my ps2 got DRE at launch and sony pretty much told me to fuck off

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>>387255970
>b-but ps2 is more powerful
It is not.
PS2 was literally the weakest of the three main 6th gen systems. GC was only a step or two behind Xbox's raw processing power, and both of them supported number of shader and filter techniques PS2 simply couldn't do.

>>387257545
>pretty much the same = the same

I bet you like girls with pretty much no dick.

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>>387257165
>mfw blowing up a helicopter with an rpg for the first time

looked so fucking good, the explosion effects, how it fell apart and went out of control, guys falling out of the sides etc.
fuark

>>387257165
>played Doom 3 on cousin's PC back in 2004
>never felt impressed by newer graphics ever again

People who had high-end PCs back in the day were probably always bored because PC graphics evolved so fast they also started stagnating really fast.

>>387257467
Not sure what your point is with this post considering that Gamecube port of Chaos Theory is even more gimp than the PS2 version. In this screenshot the PS2 looks blurrier because the PS2 version uses a more complex post processing effect for nightvision (notice how the Xbox version which does nightvision 'correctly' also looks blurrier than Gamecube?)

>>387244950
>tfw I look like a boyish Heather

>>387257214
Holy shit you did that? Kek.

>>387244648
Still mad that even though Full Spectrum Warrior is freeware on PC it doesn't fucking work if you install it.

>>387257814
yeah, 360 won last gen.

>>387257230
Yes, that is objectively correct. PS2 had more, GC had the best. Nintendo had the best first-party games, period.

>>387256829
You trying to make a cool new meme or something?

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>>387257359
I still love her.

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>>387257467
Just Cause is another game that was made for the 360 and then scaled down for each weaker hardware and look at the difference between PS2 and Xbox versions, it's like the Xbox is a generation ahead of the PS2.

>>387257165
would you believe kids your age were saying the same thing during the 6th to 7th gen transition? They were even trying to justify it with high resolution emulator screenshots, saying "wow, the current gen looks worse than these high res upscaled PS2 games!"

kids never change it seems

>>387257892
Best 1st party doesn't mean best exclusives. PS2 had plenty of fantastic exclusives that weren't 1st part.

>>387257494
PS4 is shit and Sony can fuck off, microsoft shouldn't have gotten away with what they did. All the dumb kids fell the "hardcore gamer" marketing bullshit they pulled. Xbox was already THE dudebro console before 360, once 360 launched xbox brand became the most cancerous piece of shit I've ever seen

>>387257963
Gaming would be so much better if the only platforms were xbox and PC.

>>387252947
Tekken Tag Tournament, Ridge Racer V, Midnight Club, SSX, TimeSplitters, Dead or Alive 2, Ready 2 Rumble Boxing 2, Rayman Revolution, Street Fighter EX3, all decent games released in 2000, when the console was out just for 3 months in America and 1 month in Europe.

>>387254258
THe only funny thing is people actually taking console wars and brand loyalty serious. I had a SNES, N64, PS2 and gamecube later on that gen, then a Xbox 360 and now a PS4 and decent pc rig. Honestly how much of a faggot do you have to be to actually care about this shit? You people are pathetic.

>>387257928
that's a sexy PS2

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>>387257854
*wii

ftfy. Everyone, was last gen literally worst gen since NES era? It WAS wasn't it?

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The PS2 competed on fillrate, not memory or shader capabilities. Iin terms of how many pixels it can push, it rivals the PS3. Even Gran Turismo 5 had to remove objects from some GT4 era tracks because it couldn't draw them while hitting its resolution/framerate targets.

>>387258020
its pretty clear you actually didnt play most or even any of these games. RRV was so bad it basically killed the series

>>387257854
>Wii won last gen.
ftfy

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>>387257758
>tfw none of you fags never deliver with cosplay photos

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>>387257915
Im getting pretty good at it it turns out. Been to any Tifa threads in the last year?

>>387258081
>>387258119
wii won in sales
360 won in games

>>387257973
PS2 to PS3 is the 6th to 7th generation transition retard.
Actually I was completely checked from the HD twins at the time. Wii was so hyped and everybody wanted one, I never even touched a PS3 until 2008. they were going for 1k canadian at times, not something a poor high school student could afford

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>>387258017
>All the dumb kids fell the "hardcore gamer" marketing bullshit they pulled

it wasn't just marketing

>>387258081
8th is the worst in 20+ years.

>>387258234
I disagree, unless you count politics.

>>387258185
>won in games
Not relevant, winner is determined by which console sells the most hardware.

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>>387258030
She is a fucking slut to be honest. Want to meet her? she's ovulating right now anon.

>>387258313
so why does this thread exist?

>>387258218
DUDE GORE AND VIOLENCE LOL
DUDE WE'RE PLAYING MATURE GAMES WITH REAL GRAPHICS
>meanwhile it had a 50% failure rate, worse specs than PS3, a laughable ugly as fuck wired controller and was targeted towards children with the low price point

>>387258018
nah, PC is cancer. Thank god its dead.

>>387258204
canadian retard can't read, fuck off leaf

>>387258185
>360 won in games
PS3 had more and better exclusives though, desu.

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>>387258386
>worse specs than PS3
and this is where people stop taking anything you say seriously

>>387258017
>Xbox was already THE dudebro console before 360
Is that why they had to censor Conker even more than Nintendo?

>>387258185
>won in games

Subjective and where?? 360 had Tekken 5:DRO? Had Demon's Souls? Had TLOU? Had Yakuza? Oh wow.

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>>387258456
LOL no, ps3 has jack shit.

>>387258161
Never said I would coplay her, and why should I? You anons won't like a guy cosplaying as Heather

>>387250926
no but you tried to use it in an argument knowing full well you have literally no idea what it means. so yeah youre the autist and stupid

>>387258494
>>387258508

>>387257624
>GC was only a step or two behind Xbox's raw processing power
Not even close. GC had a gimped slow fixed-function vector unit, while Xbox had two DirectX8 class fully programmable vector units. Xbox's CPU could also crunch vectors with true SIMD (4 elements) while Gamecube's CPU only supported paired singles (2 elements).

>both of them supported number of shader and filter techniques
Their shader capabilities are in no way comparable. Xbox uses the first generation "modern" pixel shaders, while Gamecube uses the last generation of old-school color combiners (a technology already obsolete in 2001).

>>387244648
It's doubly funny when people complain about a game looking like a PS2 game now. Easiest way to tell they were born after the PS2 came out.

>>387258456
it did, it just took a few years for it to catch up. 360 was good after the first year, ps3 took until 2009 to have a handful of things worth playing. that said, microsoft dropped the ball hard by 2011 and the ps3 was still getting games until the next generation so it made up for lagging behind a few years because MS was too focused on kinect to get games for their games console.

>>387258508
Not even one of those exclusive games is any good. Good job retard.

Ninja Gaiden and DR1 aren't even exclusive.

You LITERALLY posted Infinite Undiscovery too, a fucking dogshit 1/10 game.

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>>387258386
>meanwhile it had a 50% failure rate
the launch models yeah.
>worse specs than PS3
lol lmao
>laughable ugly as fuck wired controller
wat.
>and was targeted towards children with the low price point
that's the Wii dummy.

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>>387244648
Yeah, Playstation has always had a track record (and still does) of having downgraded multiplats and having them run like shit on Sony's respective consoles.

>>387258492
>never had to deal with Halofags and their insane elitism and absolute refusal to play anything else while laughing at anyone who played PS2 or gamecube games

The Gamecube was the weakest console of that generation.

>>387258649
>Ninja Gaiden and DR1 aren't even exclusive.
yes they are
>doesnt post any ps3 exclusives because there arent any
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>387258312
All three 7th gen consoles were still worth owning for their exclusive games, at least at the time when they were still on the market. Even 360 had enough of its own games to be worth owning if you had a PC.

8th gen is just garbage. Wii U had a few good first-party games but is already gone. PS4 and Xbone share the vast majority of their libraries with one another and with PC. The original Xbox got more games than the Xbone did in four years, and half of those Xbone games were re-releases.

The jump in hardware power was minimal, and while this isn't inherently a problem current AAA development is unsustainable and constant the push for story and visuals is causing stagnation and bloated budgets the industry can't keep up with. As a result, instead of scaling back, we're just starting to get more online games stuffed with micro-purchases to compensate.

>>387258456
Games sold better on 360, except for GTA5 and BF3. Halo 3 alone sold just 1 million below the whole Uncharted trilogy.

>>387258601
>>387258508

>mostly western dudebro and racing

LMAO

>>387258614
>paired singles
just googled this and holy shit this is halfassed

>>387258663
>>387258473
why are you guys meming? Have you guys seriously convinced yourself that 360 was stronger than PS3? The narrative for the last 10 years disagrees with you, your shitty "AAA" multiplat comparisons don't count

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>>387258563
>Never said I would coplay her, and why should I?
You didn't. WE did.
>You anons won't like a guy cosplaying as Heather
just wait and see.
Now, put on the green skirt.

>>387258721
No, it was not.
It was infact the 2nd strongest, lagging only a bit behind Xbox Hueg.

>>387258778
>STILL CANT NAME ANY PS3 EXCLUSIVES BECAUSE THERE ARENT ANY
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA

>>387258740
>yes they are
They really aren't. There's no point posting good games when you aren't going to.

>>387258770
Who fucking cares I'm talking about exclusives here.

>>387258508
>mostly middling games with some outright trash and non-exclusives
>completely ignoring the second half of the generation (Forza 4 is the only game pictured released after 2009)

>>387258663
>meanwhile it had a 50% failure rate
>the launch models yeah

Holy shit nigga that is NOT acceptable.

>>387258686
not always. GTA SA for example looks better than even the PC version with all of its effects. Silent Hill 2 and 3 look best on the PS2 as well. The games that were made specifically for the PS2 took extensive advantage of its hardware, often having effects that wouldn't be seen again until the next generation of consoles.

>>387258721
no, the dreamcast was, but the gamecube wasn't far ahead. It could push polygons hard, but it was awful at shader tasks.

>>387258456
>PS3 had more and better exclusives though, desu.
PS3 actually had the fewest exclusives out of the three consoles.

>>387258705
Those are just fanboys.

>>387258857
>>387258865
>not a single ps3 exclusive mentioned
FUCKING KEKEKEEKKEKE

>>387258810
360 has better GPU, more development friendly CPU and architecture, which gave better results in majority of multiplatform games.

PS2's loading times were hellish.

>>387258857
>They really aren't. There's no point posting good games when you aren't going to.
the non-sigma games are the superior versions.

>>387258386
>PS3
>put an expensive CPU designed for servers with one module and 8 weak cores designed for parallelism
>in an age where PC had just moved to two cores and Xbox 360 used 3 stronger Power cores
The Cell was one of the dumbest fucking hardware decisions for a console, it was too expensive and made porting games extremely difficult. Basically the Jaguar 2.0 except it's Sony so they ended up surviving. It was more useful for superclusters than games.,

>>387258829
>Yakuza
>TLOU
>MGS4
>Demon's Souls

Sorry, i just don't want to race cars or do space marine shit that much

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>>387258810
>more RAM
>a significantly more powerful GPU

d-direct game comparisons don't count! specs on paper don't count! only how I feel counts

pic related is you

>>387258828
Anon, you don't understand, I'm a guy. What your telling me is to put on a green skirt and look like Heather for you guys, that's gay as fuck.

>>387245708
sure, by having like 1000% more exclusives than the Xbox did

need i remind you fucks of the Fall 2001 Sony exclusive game lineup? shit man, its sad we can't get that level of good games coming out on one system anymore in a span of 3 months.