Valve

what

>>387218237
No, Valve is just the biggest fkn cash grabber company out there. Valve is shit. Face it faggot.
Valve never did anything good on their own.
They are pure cash grabbers, nothing more.

>>387218705
They all are cash grabbers, don't delude yourself into thinking some of them are better than others.
They're all doing what they have to do to make the most money they possibly can.

>>387218237
yes

>>387218807
Stop being a delusional valve drone and wake the fuck up.

They're responsible for loot crates, they promoted gambling, they make millions off of indie developers hard work through steam sales, they added community workshops so they don't have to work on their own games, they even said they won't release hl3 because it would fail to deliver from years of hype.

TF2 was the starting point of microtransactions and the f2p route in all future console and pc games.

>>387218237
No, Steam is.

That and the fact their biggest achievement in actual game making is creating the game someone else modded to make CS.

>>387219350
if it wasn't valve, it would be someone else.

point is, everybody company tries to make the most money they can.

>>387219503
More people like you means more companies finding sleezier ways to make money.

>>387219350
>they make millions off of indie developers hard work through steam sales
What does that even mean
The devs sell their games on steam because they get a lot of stuff out of it, like exposure, downloads and updates, workshop, community features that people like and so on
Valve takes a cut because that's what a marketplace does
How does this keep getting brought up as some ultimate evil

>>387218237
I think crates and hats are responsible
why make a new, singleplayer game when you can make big money on selling crates and cosmetics
it's not like they make bad games though, sure it would be nice if they made a big singleplayer game or something that wasn't pure multi, or cared about games that weren't CS or Dota
but it is what it is

No, whoever pays for csgo skins and tf2 hats is

>>387219582
Valve has devalued the state of gaming.

Lots of consumers won't buy games that are above $20.00. They will wait out seasonal discounts and devs have to resort to selling their game at a fraction of their original price, and compete with hundreds of other gamers.

This leads to indie devs make shittier and shittier games because why waste two years of your life making a good game that people will only buy for $5 two times a year when you can make some shitty meme game with cultural references in under a few months.

>Make shittons of money
>choose to hoard the money instead of making games like they're supposed to
I'm starting to think that Value isn't actually a game company but instead more like some sort generic digital marketplace company that specialises in selling the game related stuff

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>valve releases a game every year or two for like 13 years
>dota 2 comes out
>this suddenly changes
i don't hate dota, i hate the decisions valve have made because of dota.

>>387219735
>Valve has devalued the state of gaming.
Blame the devs and publishers selling their games for pennies, it's them who determine the sales
You can hardly blame Valve for making a good platform that devs want to use

>This leads to indie devs make shittier and shittier games
90% of everything is shit
There's plenty of good indie games lately, some of them also won't go on sale, see Factorio, Rimworld

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>>387218237

No. The revenue generating power of Software(games included) as a service is.

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>>387218237
Yes.
>"Valve are such assholes for not releasing m-muh HL3!!!!"
>proceeds to purchase 50 weapon cases and record it for views xdxdd
End yourselves.

>>387219350
They're not responsible for loot crates. Chinese f2p games have had that shit for ages dude. People blow thousanfs on Crossfire.

>>387218237
No it's Valve realizing they can make massive amounts of cash from doing literally nothing with loot crates that you have to pay to open and play spin the wheel

>>387219581
less people like me means more companies still finding sleezier ways to make money.

>>387219958
Literally nobody does that but streamers.
And those faggots get donations that cover the cost of them anyway. Audience is literally paying for the chance that the guy they like will scream like a retard because he got something worth a lot

>>387218237
no, steam is.

E-sports and Moba fans aren't going to add purchasable hats to a card game, Valve is.

>>387218237
No, but they contributed
If people hadn't bought into the TF2 hat shit so hard valve never would have gone down this dark path

>>387219832
People who say this dont understand dota.

Thats good dont play it.youll lose so much of your time

But dota is just that good.

>>387223609
most of valves ips are dying becuse of dota 2 and you say it is a good thing?

>>387218237
How?
By supporting what they love?

Valve is to blame and their cash grab model, also government regulations for not cracking down on online gambling in games.
Valve basically just introduces kids to gambling and once they are hooked bleeds them till they are dry.

>>387219735
>Lots of consumers won't buy games that are above $20.00. They will wait out seasonal discounts and devs have to resort to selling their game at a fraction of their original price, and compete with hundreds of other gamers.

A value of a good is what a customer will pay for access to that good.

>>387218237
Valve is responsible for the current state of Valve.

DotA isnt a moba, moba is a made-up meaningless acronym by Riot so they didnt have to call LoL a Dotalike

Thank the people who didn't boycott Valve when they introduced hats, keys, and crates into their games for Valve not doing anything good anymore.

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>>387226739
>Dota isn't a moba

>>387218705
Would you decline billions which you got by putting in minimal effort?

>>387226739
Plz little baby where did DotA originate?

>>387223609
It makes every other competitive game look like hot garbage thats for sure

No.
They only have themselves to blame.

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>>387218237
So will these cards be able to be sold on Steam's community market? Because that's the only way I can imagine Valve actually making a profit off of this.

>>387218237
No. People paying for skins are. I was making fun of my console friends back in the days were they bought cod4 dlc map.
But holy shit the pc community is 10x times worse when i see what counter strike became.