>sonicsharts will defend this

It's already over, they lost.
>>387187113

>>387187780
I don't like Sonic but its great to see a project like this instead of sueing everything

>>387187780

I bet you Super Mario still more fun that that 3D garbage

>>387187780
SMW is more fun than neoMario.
Also, SMW is more fun than Sonic garbage.
>tfw Nintendo will never release another game like SMW

>>387187780
I can't wait for Mario Adventure!

>>387188015
THIS 10000000000%

FUCKING NEO NINTENDO SHOULD LEARN FROM CRASH REMAKE AND THIS.
THEY NEED TO BE HIT IN THE NUTS 17 TIMES TO GET RID OF THE CASUAL GAMEPLAY IN TJEIR GA!PES

>>387188013
throwbacks that are (appropriately priced) are something big companies should do from time to time. id like to see nintendo put out a retro mario/zelda. sony is kinda there with the crash remake and xbox had recore (which felt like a 6th gen title).

>>387187780
Literally more than a quarter of a century and the Sonic series hasn't even advanced past a decent 2D series. lol really sad honestly.

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>>387187780
I don't even like sonic that much, but the way it feels and plays is very dependent on level design which changes substantially between iterations even if its for better or worse.
Whereas if you played any 2d Marios you have basically played them all and the same goes for 3D ones I doubt being able to posses shit will make Odyssey any different from Galaxy.

>>387188341
t. never played a mario game

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>>387188341
>Whereas if you played any 2d Marios you have basically played them all

>>387188415
Not him but come on even the "NEW" Mario ones are shameless ripoffs even just reusing complete levels.

>>387188341
Most wrong post of the day, how the fuck are Mario 3 and smw2 the same, or sunshine and galaxy?

>>387188535
New marios are garbage, but the level design between SMW and SMB3 is completely different.

>1991
Sonic game looks better
>2017
Sonic game still looks better

>>387188549
Sunshine is the only one that tried innovating a little and fucking Nintendo for some reason decided to go back inside their asshole and never try anything like it again.
Galaxy is just normal 3D, I don't even consider the planets or sometimes gravity gimmicks enough to carry it as something that much different from fucking Mario 64

Do you think Nintendo can make a proper "SMB4" in todays time?

>>387188750
M64 is very different from Galaxy. It's a much more momentum based game with focus on mastering the movement options. Galaxy has limited movement options and is a lot slower, but has very tight platforming.

Stop shitposting.

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>>387188889
???

>>387188889
No, they lost their touch.

>>387188889
Ihope they don't even attempt to make another iteration.
Sakurai WANTED the franchise to die and get the competitive scene away from his shit with Brawl, that's why he added all the shit like tripping and crap balancing.
However comp babies wanted more to the point Nintendo practically forced him to make a new game.

>>387188535
Nobody gives a shit about the "new" games after the first

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>>387187780
>playing 3D Mario garbage

>>387189032
lol I'm a dumbass, why would anyone talk about fucking smash in a mario sonic thread.
I'll excuse my dumbass out.

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>>387187882
>80% of "professional reviewers" are complaining the game didn't hold their hand
oh i'm laffin

>>387189128
you better
dumb smashfag

>>387188889
>proper "SMB4"

I think they have little interest in doing something like this. Nintendo took a 15 year sabbatical from side scrolling Marios and when they finally returned, we got a run of NSMB games that gave us new power-ups, four player Mario, and finally culminated in them handing the keys to the car to everyone with Mario Maker.

I like Sega just fine, but Nintendo is smoking some next level shit.

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You're just mad Mario will never get a proper follow-up to SMW like Sonic had one to S3&K.

>>387189128
At least you're self aware

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>>387189192
what's funnier is that everyone but Polycuck and Slant are praising the game

>>387189385
>proper

This fucking word.

Super Mario World still exists. I can play it whenever I want. Why would I want Nintendo to make another one? If I want new levels, users are doing some crazy shit on Mario Maker.

>>387189385
Instead we got the one of the best games ever with SM64.

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>>387187780

>>387189445
>modern quality-of-life elements
I'll bite

Literally what the fresh fuck do any of the new games offer that's better than the original series? Quality of life? It's been downhill ever since Adventure.

>>387189574
New Super Mario Bros. U is a really good game. But everyone ignored it because it looks like Yet Another NSMB game.

>>387189530
Maybe back in 1996, but nowadays it's not even close to that.

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>>387189385
>You're just mad Mario will never get a proper follow-up to SMW like Sonic had one to S3&K.
actually it did, and it was fucking great
but too bad there's two absolutely retarded complaints are holding back it's praise
>waaaah it's NSMB, just make it an original 2D Mario game
>waaaah WiiU, it's not on muh Switch

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>Nu-Mario

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The fact that Mario Maker exists should be more than enough proof to show you how little the franchise in the 2D aspect changed.
The fact that everything can be interchangeable in between all it's iterations should be enough proof of how lazy and unchanging the formula has been.

>>387189852
CORRECT.

>>387189503
So, you're basically admitting that Nintendo doesn't have the creativity to expand on the 2D Mario formula with a SMB4 or something like that?

>>387189730
Luigi U isn't half bad either. Both of them are probably the best in the New series.

>>387189574
And yet all of these look worse than even the 1991 Sonic from OP's pic.

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>>387189852
there we go
now we have to wait on what Super Mario Mania is going to be like before adding Mania in the middle

>Classic Sonic was fun
>Sonic Mania is fun

>Super Mario World was fun
>Odyssey does not look fun

>>387189904
You don't change something that works.

>>387188535
>even the "NEW" Mario ones are shameless ripoffs even just reusing complete levels.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
No. I've seen more rehashing in Uncharted than a NSMB game.

>>387187780
So why didn't you use a modern 2D mario in your comparison? Is it because Nintendo hasn't shown plans for releasing a new one or is it because they treat 2D mario like garbage and just throw it out to die?

>>387189904
you give a pretty good advice

>>387190251
hard in denial nintenshill

>>387189574
>All four games have a different design in the same style
What's the problem?

>>387189904
>This guy has never played Mario Maker

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The velocity, acceleration, jumping, and physics were perfect the first time around.

The sequels added small changes that opened up dramatically new game play and level design.

i.e., Mario 3 added holding items and verticality with the raccoon suit, SMW added the spin jump (clicking off of enemies), Yoshi, and kicking items upward. NSMB added wall jumps and twirl stalling.

If you play good Mario Maker levels, you see how each of these elements being there dramatically change what kind of level you'll be playing.

>>387190193
It looks better than 3D World at least

>>387189852
>Shadow The Hedgehog and Super Mario Sunshine

>>387190469
That really isn't an accomplishment.

>>387190267
>just throw it out to die
What universe do you live in

>>387189998
>XYZ doesn't have the creativity to make more sequels above and beyond what they've already made

nice b8

>>387190267
>or is it because they treat 2D mario like garbage
>garbage
>one on each system since the DS
That's not treating 2D Mario like garbage, that's not rehashing the same shit again and again like a damn CoD game.
Do you really want a yearly fucking Mario game?

>>387188415
SMB2 is the only exception.

>>387190506
it's weird more people are praising Heroes more so than Shadow, which fixed most of the Heroes' gameplay.

>>387190194
>>387190391
subtle same fag

I mean shitting on the ground and not having proper means of disposal for that worked, but it wasn't really the best version of shitting you know?

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>>387188750
>Sunshine is the only one that tried innovating a little
A safety net for if you mess up your jumps is now innovation everyone.

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>even after all these years to cool down Sonictards are STILL angry that Mario is better
>those Sonictards are in this very thread
>mfw Odyssey will be remembered as one of the greatest Mario games while Mania will be forgotten before the year is over

>>387190193
This is such a bad analogy

>>387190636
>which fixed most of the Heroes' gameplay.
Nah, Heroes was fine as long as you didn't play the broken PS2 version. Shadow on the other hand kind of ruined the template Heroes set up by adding momentum stopping melee attacks and the convoluted level design.

>>387190790
Meant for >>387190672

>>387190730
No you silly dumbass, the nozzle added a whole other layer to the game, from the fact that it was an actual weapon and a traversal tool.
If you wee using the nozzle as a safety net I'm sorry but you probably sucked utter ass at playing Sunshine.

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Top this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYj1GbbQr4w

>>387190672
Mario takes tried and true gameplay, adds minor tweaks, turns everything on it's head.

>pssshhh, same shit

Sega released a broken game staring an "evil" version of Sonic where he rides a motorcycle and shoots people.

>Fuck yeah! *opens deviantart*, fap-fap-fap-fap-fap

>>387190762
Hey come on now.
Mania will be remembered as Sonic finding his feet again - even if it's not remembered as fondly because of levels being reused.

>>387187780
Yeah, pretending Forces doesn't exist will help your shitty argument

>>387191025
Great ad hominem

>>387191084
I mean ignoring forces helps with his argument more as mania looks so much better than forces

>>387191017
snazzy but sounds like something that autismhole Undertale

>>387191135
You're shitposting. Not worthy of looking up the hierarchy of discourse before every responds.

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>>387191235
>sounds like Undertale
Are you even trying or being serious at all

>>387191251
Ok bud

>>387187882
Wait is that score a bad thing?

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>>387191235
>sounds like undertale
I'm fucking done

>>387190037
Shit, Luigi U was even better than NSMBU

The difficulty was perfect in comparison to NSMBU's slow climb.

>>387189574
>New

>>387188889
>>387189385

Its called Donkey Kong you fucks

>>387191315
>>387191359
Tell me honestly it doesn't sound a little similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYj1GbbQr4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMDFhjpMTEY

>>387187780
wich of the two games is this making fun off?
the bottom-right screenshot is a GTA 4 mod right?

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>>387191652
No, it doesn't. Not even the instruments.

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>>387191652
It doesn't sound similar.

>>387191789
Nice meme

>>387191789
GTA4 invented roads and cars so yeah it is

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>>387189718
>Literally what the fresh fuck do any of the new games offer that's better than the original series? Quality of life? It's been downhill ever since Adventure.
They cite lives as antiquated. Because years ago the observation was made that 3D game design had moved away from systems that were complimented by lives and continues and so they were phased out.

Now the concept that lives have become outmoded has become an idea without history for younger people and so it is blindly parroted. "It's outdated in this system" has been memed into "Lives are outdated".

Fact is 2D Sonic and Mario are fine examples of gameplay designed around fail state ecosystems with mushrooms, rings, lives, and continues softening the punishments of fail states on a curve ultimately resulting in some kind of forced reset for your failure. This is fine.

Uneducated parrots can't grasp this.

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>>387191992
You are a very smart nigga.

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>>387191789
DELET THIS

>>387191992
Wow someone actually knows what they're talking about

>>387191315
>>387191359
>>387191831
>>387191883
It sounds a lot like Undertale in the way they both use chiptune sounds but with heavy reverb to make them sound like modern trash

>>387192159
>chiptune sounds
Are we talking about Tee Lopes or fucking Hyper Potions?

>>387191992
Lives were literally coins back in the arcade days, of course they don't make much sense nowadays. Why make the player restart the whole game from scratch if they die a set number of times? The player can no longer put another coin in to keep playing, so this situation doesn't benefit anyone at all.

>>387192258
Both of them.

>>387191831
Only /v/ contrarian faggots would take a comparison to undertale's ost as an insult

>>387191992
Their complaint is straight up stupid as well because if you run out of lives in this game you just boot up the save file again and start from the last zone you were on instead of restarting the game. Each act isn't a nine minute triathlon, they are short and sweet levels if they're in line with the classic games.

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>>387187780
>tfw getting both on the Switch
I don't see the problem here.

>>387192407

Final stage took me like 8 minutes my first time through

Everything else was like 2.3-3 minutes

>>387191359
>b-but muh ebin fishfucker slang

>>387192581
???

>>387192291
If a player is good enough that set number of times increases.

>>387192667
>Millions of retards saying the word "bait" left and right like flies to shit
>Not a sign that these same retards want to fuck fishes

So nintendofags are shitposting against Sonic or what?
I dont see a reason for Sony or Xbots to do so

>>387192291
Earning lives replaced the coins. Coins were not the lives themselves. The fail state is a punishment for - get this - failure. There is nothing wrong with that and modern game design knows this. The difference is in how we evaluate time invested.

Jak 2 doesn't have game overs. Instead the ultimate fail state brings you to the start of the level. Why? It's not because lives and continues were deemed no good. Its because Jak takes nearly 5 minutes to get from one end of the city to the other. The same time you can complete two acts in Sonic.

Time investment in relation to how failure is penalized is the most crucial element. Lives and continues would punish a Jak player who already has to suffer enough getting back to where they were. Dying is "game over enough". This is why lives wound up being phased out in 3D games. The fail state could be woven naturally into the game itself. Be made less abstract. Instead of a tiny sprite tapping its foot being necessary to go on, you need to walk back to where you were.

Games as pick up and play and as short as Sonic commit no crime in using lives and continues as a ramping punishment for continued failure. The system is not broken.

>>387192798
>PC version delayed
Gee I wonder who's responsible

>>387192986
PCfats will still get it, even for free

>>387192895
i appreciate this post

Am I the only one disappointed of how the Chemical Plant boss works? It honestly looks quite a bit unpolished compared to the original Puyo Puyo. How did the absolute madmen and their crew fuck up this?

>>387193047
And the Nintenbros won't? They arguably have the 2nd best version of Mania after PC thanks to portability and the fact that you can play early if you managed to get a copy early with no delay, and with the Switch's drought of games why shitpost outside of an irrelevant rivalry?

Sonic mania shits all over the nsmb series

>>387193368
Pc version is the worst one

>>387193264

I was slightly confused. The first time I fought him I won the match, but my platform dropped me in the pit anyway

No idea why

>>387193368
Only fags think portability is a plus and I'm not giving money to nu-nintendo

>>387190189
TOO FARR ODYSSEY TEEAMU

>>387193553
Not with mods

>>387187780
>Mania vs Mario 06

sega done did it

>>387193667
>Only fags think portability is a plus

>Not playing Mania all comfy cozy beneath the covers at midnight while you put off sleeping for work in the morning

PCfags will never know this feel

>>387191356
85 is below average so yes

>nintendo finally made a ps3 tier game
wow

>>387193047
Anyone can get it for free. That shit could run on a netbook

>>387187780
This is next level bait. I am fucking pissed because you didnt even try on your bait AND this is a repost. I knew it was bait all along and I still got upset. Like I said, next level.