what went wrong?

>>387175976
It was okay.

Shark Cards
A multiplayer based on skinner box reward structure, that can easily be broken out of, and is then left without fun gameplay.

Multiplayer focus
I'm glad they fired Benzies, but I think it was too late. I feel bad for the Housers now that their stories will take a back seat to everything Rockstar does from now on.

>Only 1 likable protagonist out of 3
>Two mediocre villains sharing the spotlight instead of one good one
>Too much bullshit side-stuff that does nothing
>Multiplayer faggots killed the singeplayer DLC

>>387175976
Franklin didn't need to exist. Rather, replace him with Lamar

>wait a year plus for five heirs
>still no online stock market
>b-but we added more shitty cars no one asked for with an outrageous pricetag!

It wasn't as realistic and immersive as GTA 4

>>387176246
Michael should have just been the only playable one. It's his actions that drive the entire plot.
>Michael fakes his death
>Michael pisses off Madrazo
>Michael causes Trevor to return
>Michael gets involved with Haines and Westin

In single player? Only minor stuff, some of which can be found in multiplayer.
In multiplayer? Too grindy, people choose the fastest way to make money and ignore 90% of missions like deathmatch or races, cheaters everywhere, exploding rounds and opressor.

>>387176232
>Two mediocre villains sharing the spotlight instead of one good one
I can barely remember the villains in this game and I played through the story 3 times. There was that one FBI faggot in the polo shirts, and that one retired guy who had the house on the hills. The final mission was the worst of all, when they just spontaneously decided to go and murder every character who ever inconvenienced them in any way within an hour.

>>387176246
Really? I actually liked Frank the most since he was typical GTA protagonist. Micheal could've been a side character and I wouldn't have minded, and fucking Trevor was just AIDS.

Anyway they were originally going to have Death Wish be Franklin dying and Lamar taking over his role.

>>387177383
>I liked the nigger fellow neogaffers, Trevor was cancer

>>387175976
Take2

The 3 protagonists was an unnecessary gimmick, but it had potential. Franklin's story stops entirely once he gets the beverly hills safehouse, and Trevor was 2 dimensional as fuck. GTAV was a great game but what really brought it down was the focus on online, we never got any good story DLC like GTAIV did, instead we got cars and guns, which was alright since they were free but I would've happily paid for a separate story DLC like Gay Tony.

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>>387175976
Everything. The game doesn't have any redeeming qualities whatsoever. It's the epitome of quantity of quality design. Everything is huge, but empty. Balance is garbage, everyone dies from a few shots. Because of this every mission consists of you shooting a hundred enemies, which is extremely repetitive. All of them drop guns, and you don't lose ammo when dying, so you have an entire arsenal 2 hours in the game, making shops and money obsolete mechanic. Story is dogshit, 3 characters are developed worse than 1 in the previous games, all of them completely lack motivation to do anything they do, making it impossible to relate to them.

At least we got the good old fooling around the city, driving and shooting part, right? Wrong. Cop AI is cheating. Car physics got casualized. Vehicle deformation is almost nonexistent and car hp is approx 3 times higher than in previous games. Pedestrians all have 1 hp and die from anything that pokes them.

The game is cancerous shitfest which ruined every single good thing GTA had. Driving, shooting, AI, story, characters, balance, level design, everything is trash. The only thing which may give you some pleasure are graphics, but even on Ultra in the PC version it's still console potato with atrocious filters which can't be turned off, especially since modding is illegal now. GTA V to the GTA franchise, is the same as Skyrim to Elder Scrolls franchise. A vile cashgrab for scum of the earth.

>>387177749
Came here to say this

>>387178235
>there are people on this board that think like this pasta

>>387175976

Jewstar got greedy even though GTA5 made billions.

>>387178434
It's not a pasta, i wrote it 10 minutes ago. Degenerate shills, go home.

>the map has no flow and the braindead loop layout makes leaving the city pointless and discouraging
>the protagonists are underwhelming and one of them has no personality outside of a few okay lines
>their stories don't intertwine nearly as well as GTA IV's despite that being the plan for V from the very beginning while it was done retroactively in IV
>the dialogue isn't well-written or funny and is just "Fuck you, Michael!" "No, fuck you, Trevor!" on repeat
>the switch mechanic isn't used to any meaningful degree at all and feels completely tacked-on
>most of the supporting characters are entirely forgettable
>the antagonists don't have a constant presence throughout the story and are entirely forgettable to the point where most people don't even remember their names
>the classic "work your way up from the bottom" GTA pacing is thrown out the window in lieu of immediate gratification
>the satire is so blunt it becomes the opposite of funny or thought-provoking
It was just disappointing.

>>387177670

Cringe

>>387179653
>cringe XD amirite fellow neofaggers?

>>387179728
fuck off retard
>>387179287
>the satire is so blunt it becomes the opposite of funny or thought-provoking
This right here bugged me the most.

>>387179728

Stop

>>387175976
It was literally Cucks and Hipsters: The Game

>>387180887
I mean, it takes place in LA

GTA Online

>all these morons bitching about online and shark cards

The base game has more content than most other games

Corporate suits, basically.

It feels like they've taken way too long to make this game, which was supposed to release as a last hurrah for the old console generation.

They didn't finish in time, hence why we're left with so much assets in the world that feel like there might've been an idea behind, that just didn't get implemented. Not only talking about heists, but things like the Casino and loads of other stuff that is there in the world, but has absolutely no purpose.
So they've decided to release the game early, and work on a finished version for the new consoles, which led to other problems immediately - I'll get to that in a second, because then online and it's massive success happened.
Apart from the backlash that would happen, if it would be blatantly clear that GTA V for PC and the current gen is a finished version of the game with all features compared to the old gen version, it became apparent that it would be financially more logical to basically stop further development and to just implement new reasons for people to spend money online. The team was downsized, because a new car just doesn't need as much work as a new mechanic in the game, and that's where we've ended up.

The big question boils down to - since they have loads of money now, will they be able to finish GTA VI in the way they want to, with microtransactions, but as a complete game, or will they downsize everything, because it doesn't matter to them, as long as the microtransactions keep coming in?

the fact that IV was a better game

>>387182068
Gaming died after 2007. GTA IV was in development before that, hence why it turned out good, despite all the flaws. GTA V is a cashgrab, just like almost every single AAA game in the last decade. VI chapter will be even worse.

>>387178896
Shut up pussy ill lick your fucking asshole raw

>>387175976

Nothing. Online is great. You fags are poor.

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>poor map design with most of the playable area being absolutely empty with nothing to do
>3 protag system feels unnecessary, the protagonists aren't really fleshed out save for Franklin
>storyline feels boring and uninspired, zero pacing because the story is actually a bunch of substories all sewed together into one
>gunplay is half assed and shootings are less fun as a result, weapon variety is a meme because most of the weapons are useless since others outclass them
>not enough stuff to do once the storyline is over
>anti-fun police
>Saints Row-tier parody gets boring fast
>too much emphasis on Online
That being said it's not a bad game, but heavily flawed and it really disappointed me when I know how good GTA used to be before IV came out

https://youtu.be/GWVtZJo-HqI?t=1m29s

side by side comparison of combat in 5 and 4

notice how 4 looks like a shitload of fun and 5 looks like pushing paper bags around

>>387175976

> NO

> SINGLE

> PLAYER

> DLC

No single player expansion because this shitty MP mode is so popular and prints money.

>>387175976
>the world is much less alive than it was in IV
>cops literally don't appear in the streets at random, only at specific predetermined locations
>civilians are aggressive as fuck if you enter their personal space, they'll even call the cops for trivial matters
>animals can call the cops
>weaker TECHNOLOGY
>MP awaken the Jew in R*, killing any chance of SP DLC
>licensed music wasn't that good, even though it had a killer OST

>>387179982
The FlyUs ads in the game were the most blatant example of blunt "satire". Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odeT20uwefc

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Who was in the wrong here?

>>387183932
Trevor was just batshit insane. Michael had to find a way out. Not only that, Trevor was already thinking of getting rid of Michael in the first place. All this talk of loyalty is just hypocrisy.

>>387184153
>Trevor was already thinking of getting rid of Michael in the first place.
Did he? When did that happen?

>>387184230
He mentions it offhandedly in his Tricia and Michelle story. Gotta take your time though since it's easy to miss.

>>387176315
The stock market was there in the beginning, but it was of course so easy to cheese it that they almost immediately cut it out.
>Gotta sell those fucking shark cards
Seriously, I dropped Online just because of their outrageous pricing for literally everything and the absurd grinding they expect you to do

>>387175976
Pc gaming, you guys fucked the game

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>>387184384
>mfw it would cost a minimum of 1,5m$ just to get an Armory

Fuck this greed. I had my fun with the game, but this is just not respecting my time.

Trevor should've been a side character that you eventually kill, or a villian instead of a playable character

Trevor. I don't want online in GTA games

>>387182269
yeah the worst part is V sold really well so rockstar probably doesn't really give a fuck what the next ones like

Lack of decent cheat codes.

>>387184620
it gave us an excuse to go back to comfy north yankton so I don't care

>>387185135
if GTA VI is in north yankton or vice city i will be so fucking happy

>>387175976
Not much. Multiplayer was shit, but I didn't care for it.
I had less fun than in San Andrews, but after the disappointment that was GTA IV...
It is just very very impressive to just go about in the environment. A masterpiece in terms of world building. I liked the three characters, also.
GPS are realistic, but since IV they kinda ruin the sense of exploration.

>>387185116
Overall I really couldn't get over how everything in the game became a fucking cashgrab, even to the extent that they wouldn't include money cheats, or how they stopped letting you buy DLC cars in single player

>>387179287

i hate how the map is a loop...makes driving aroudn so boring....

>>387184620
This was the dumbest shit in the game.

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>>387185290
>gta iv was a disappointment
confirmed for shit taste

The map is so fucking shit

>>387179287
The villains sucked so much in V. What made Tennpenny great in SA was that he was there through the whole story, and fucked with you the whole time. It made killing him in the end actually fucking mean something. Devin Weston isn't even introduced until the game is more than half over, and his only motivation is "I like money."

>>387178235
>The game doesn't have any redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Thank you for putting this at the very beginning so I knew not to take the rest of your post seriously

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>>387185231
>yfw VIce City

I think shark cards and nothing being done about hackers are what ultimately killed it's online portion, but singleplayer campaign was pretty fun overall.

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>>387185879
>tfw they make it giant and empty for GTAO babies

>>387183932
what was this about again? been a while since I played it

>>387175976
Cops ruin the game

>>387185821
What's the /v/erdict on Dimitri? Cause he fucks with the player periodically throughout the game but I hardly see discussion about him. I thought he was done pretty well.

>>387186304
GTA IV is the only one I didn't own so I don't really know. I didn't play it enough to remember the characters to much. I remember thinking vlad was kind of cool though.

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>>387175976
>no chainsaw
>no flamethrower
>no dual wield
>no jetpack
>no martial arts / good melee combat system
>no vigilante / paramedic missions with upgraded health and body armor as bonuses
So, can we all agree that everything went downhill after Vice City Stories? I guess all that stuff we lost was just too videogamey

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>>387186075
>yfw they don't fuck it up and make it better

>>387179287
One good post

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>>387186690
>no getting swole/fat
Why does R* like removing content?

>>387187245
>No girlfriends granting special abilities
They just hate fun stuff.

Like Fallout 4 it suffered from not being innovative over their last game.

>>387187501
honestly gta v had a lot more "neat little" features than gta iv, nowhere near as innovative.

>>387186690
>I guess all that stuff we lost was just too videogamey
This. This shit right here. This is exactly the problem with GTA V, hell, the industry as a whole for that matter. All of that damn fun factor is stripped away from games and they make them more realistic and grounded. However, they seem to find realistic synonymous with boring. Gunplay is so damn dull I have only used one weapon for most of GTA V, including Online, The city is so big but so damn lifeless and dessert is useless, the characters could've been replaced with wood and they would provide the same experience. Hell, the NPCs in GTA SA, have more personality than the entire cast of GTA V.

>>387186304
Dimitri was also a little bit uninvolved over the whole time, but otherwise very good and believable.

>>387184153
>>387184809
>>387184815
what the fuck? he's comic relief you fucking cucks. his absurd behavior is obviously meant to highlight how boring and cliche the other two protags are, as well as the irony that people call him insane for doing in cutscenes what most players do outside of missions in the game. michael is an embarrassment to men and franklin is boring. it should have been michael, lamarr and trevor. it's obvious rockstar watered the game down to appeal to "violence in video games is bad" types, and included shit like yoga so they had the right to say "people can do non-violent activities if they want, but mostly they just choose to shoot each other" which takes the heat off of them.

>>387188454
I think he poked his head in enough, although it dissipated after getting to Alderney but kidnapping Roman and taunting Niko after finding Florian was a good enough for me.

>>387188384
they made driving and player hp more realistic, which is bullshit. the reason gunplay is boring is because it isn't realistic enough. give the bullets travel time and up the HP of everyone in the game so that some decent shootouts can actually take place.

>>387183638
holy shit this

>>387189135
a comic relief character being there simply for comic relief is shit character design.

>>387189558
>Made driving more realistic
Compared to IV, no.
They made driving way easier and more arcade-feeling, and the durability of the cars in V is just fucking absurd.

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>>387189558
>gta v
>realistic driving
>regenerating hp is realistic

>>387189789
this, V's driving feels too unrealistic and snappy compared to IV, where you can crash your car at top speeds and fuck up the engine and the car itself wouldn't start, but if you did the same in V you just get a mild dent. Cars in IV feel much more natural to drive overall.

>>387190352
I like the system in IV. One high-speed collision can kill your motor, or you can wreck your axle and suspension by sliding into a bump at high speed. Shit like that.
Meanwhile in V cars are virtually indestructible.

>NeoFaggots hate Trevor and want more of the nigger

we all hate you

>>387177383
Hi Calvin

>walking down street
>npc gets upset
>Calls the police

but why

>>387190791
Michael is the patrician protag.

>>387191078
>jaywalk
>npcs in the vicinity drop their shit and run off
>have a wanted level 20 seconds later

Dumb programming is why

i bet most of the people don t even fucking remember the name of the " bad guy " in gta 5 . while EVERYONE REMEMBER TEMPENNY , BIG SMOKE and even fucking ryder .

>>387191423
>TEMPENNY , BIG SMOKE and even fucking ryder
straight busters

>>387191270
>Fuck, well at least I can lose the cops easily
>1 star becomes 2 within 15 seconds of nothing happening
>Every time I'm just about to get away a police cruiser suddenly spawns 50 meters in front of me, or goes straight down the alley I'm hiding in when there's 15 there.

>>387182750
>poor map design with most of the playable area being absolutely empty with nothing to do
you can blame the san andreas babbies for this shit

>>387191423
...Which one? There was like 3 of them.

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>Flying mororcycles with homing rocket launchers

>>387191920
i think he means the (((final))) "bad gUy"

>>387186075
>>387185879
>modern day miami
I dunno about that desu

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>lowriders never added to singleplayer
I'M STILL MAD ABOUT THIS

>>387186690
>remove vigilante missions
>get yoga minigame instead
t-thanks rockstar

>>387192268
I used my billionaire singleplayer save with autosave off to try buying DLC cars to mess around in, to decide whether I actually wanted to buy them.
I presume that's why they stopped doing it, so people couldn't do shit like that and had to buy their fucking shark cards.

>>387179728
ur gay m8

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Genuinely don't know.

I think the 3 character system for me ruined it. It was hard to get immersed in the story or engaged to the characters when all you had were some pretty poorly written characters.

Not to mention the over abundance of pop culture references etc. Trevor legit made me cringe most of the time.

Vice City > San Andreas > the rest

>>387191423
>tenpenny
>bad guy
pick one

>>387191423
Fucking busta

the cops are cancerous

>>387183165
wtf i need to play iv now?

>>387182643
dear lord, rich people literally can't determine if something is good or not. they are slaves to "more expensive = better"

Police chases aren't fun.

>>387192050
Dangerously close to Saints Row territory...

>>387175976
I know exactly what fucking happened. They listened to /v/.

During GTA V's development, there was a big backlash against GTA IV for not being fun enough. Car handling was "too realistic." The storyline was too serious. Saints Row 2 garnered a ton of praise for being "what GTA IV should have been" (and managed to squeeze out two more sequels + a bunch of DLC before GTA V came out). There's too much to do in GTA IV; it's all boring minigames. Too much focus on TECHNOLOGY, not enough """Gameplay.""" No sense of humour any more.

So GTA V is what you get. And surprise surprise at all the posts in this thread longing for the days of GTA IV.

>>387191078
>>387191270
>>387191523
>not adding mods that completely improve the wanted system
GTA V vanilla is the worst

>>387175976
I was pretty satisfied with it, but most people here did not like the storytelling method which V adopted, which was to balance out the characterization between the main story and the side content, instead of just leaving it all in the main story like the 3D GTAs. You can tell this was the philosophy because there are at least two extra hours of dialogue between the characters during the hangouts, and considering how long each cutscene is, it's quite a lot of extra content.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrl-kj3G4FCscil0dW-G_UzboArOrMAEu

I rather liked it, not only did it seem like it gave a greater purpose to the open world, as the player hunts down the characterization in the side activities, but also, it felt truer to life; you're not going to get to know your friends and how they are as people just when shit goes down, and the whole main story was just "shit going down." You need to take a breather and spend some quieter moments with them, by going to places like the cinema or going to play golf. I found this to be a lot of fun, and the characterization I found was worth it for the most part, once you find everything, the three protags are easily more fleshed out than any character in the 3D GTAs. For example, I really enjoyed finding out about Franklin's depression through the weed smoking activity and making a connection between that and Franklin's interactions with the weed advocate Stranger.

Also, I didn't care about the underwhelming villains since to me, the main conflict in the story was always between the protags themselves, and the villains were just a sideshow, and were always loose ends to the protags, just look at how they're spoken about in The Third Way.

So question, why did you pick deathwish at the end?

Trevor is the logical choice to kill in the sense of the story but I hate losing content so I kept him alive

In the short run GTA V was fun, but in the long run it was the first of the series to leave me disappointed.

>three characters
>online focus
>dumbed down for normies

I mean, where is the single player DLC? Why do I need all these characters? I could go on, but I'm afraid to see what GTA VI is.

>>387195161
I did it because in the story, Franklin earned Trevor's trust and both saw each other as friends, and it's just not in me to betray a friend, no matter how much of a liability he is, and I figured that if I (Franklin) was going to go down, at least I would do it on my own terms, upholding my own ideals and those of my deeply flawed compatriots.

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>>387195281
Yeah man, it's those damn normies ruining this classic underground hidden gem!

>>387194520
This. V was a kneejerk reaction to IV's criticisms.
>Car's suspension and traction too soft? Let's go to the other end of the spectrum.
>The world was just a city with no wilderness? 2/3rds of the map is now empty hills.
>Story was too serious? Insert 'I AM SILLY' methhead.
>Movement too slow and heavy? Let's neuter Euphoria.
Whenever you make something based off what you think other people will like, instead of making something how you think it should be made, you're going to end up with a worse product.

>>387194598
what are the good mods for this?

>>387195924
Let's not forget the first mission as Trevor involves murdering all the remaining important characters from the Lost and Damned.

>>387195924
>Movement too slow and heavy? Let's neuter Euphoria.

The movement is still shitty and sluggish, pretty amazing how little they've improved it since 2008

>>387184384
online stock market never existed fuck face