With every Fallout game, civilization gets just a little bit

>>387170527
>what are prequels and reboots

weren't they kinda alright by fallout 2? i kinda remember they even got rid of bottle caps as currency and had actual money.

Doesn't really matter, there's still nukes all over the place they can easily just set one off and do a timeskip.

>>387170775

Kinda, though arguably they only really civilized some tracts of California/Nevada/Arizona, the rest is either overrun by mutated wildlife or occasionally controlled by a BoS outpost/uncivilized tribe.

>>387170527
>stops being post apocalyptic
Never.
You'll just have to listen to 50s music forever.

Fallout was pushing the boundary of post-apocalypse
Fallout 2 was easy post-post apocalypse
New Vegas was late post-post apocalypse

>>387170527
>fallout 3/4 are 300 years into the future
>nobody has built actual houses or bothered picking up some of the trash


literally never

>>387171549
>>387171025
mayb they should stop 100-years-jumps between the games when they change nothing

>>387171671
Bethesda insists on a rigid chronology to their games, where each one is set after the last in the series, no matter how stupid it is

Reminder that Bethesda thinks 200 years isn't enough time for humanity to rebuild.

>>387171549

This really pissed me the fuck off. They gave me the ability to build my own bases and the first place they hand you is your old neighborhood where you and everyone around you are too retarded to rebuild the roofs or even sweep the leaves out of your bedroom.

Fucking really? I can place a rug down but I can't sweep the leaves out of the house? Plus the rug layer is under the leaves layer, so it's like you placed the rug down and then put the leaves on top of the rug.

Thank goodness for the Spring Cleaning mod. I'm still pissed that all the retards in these Fallout games are eating 200+ year old boxed foods from before the war. I dare some faggot from Bethesda to crack open a food ration from as recently as WW2 and eat it. I'm expected to make the jump in suspension of disbelief to pretend vacuum tube AI exists, or that random bums 200 years after the war can put together a working small nuclear fusion generator, but it's impossible to have fresh foods being canned/freeze dried?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz5Y2Zg5w84

Cascadia should be pretty good, hopefully they expand it to canada and alaska too

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>>387172351
>vacuum tube AI
But circuit boards exist

>>387172297
Bruh, can you imagine Fallout: New Detroit?

The rest of the country is living in skyscrapers with flying anti-matter cars and using teleporters to visit alien worlds while kangz are still living in mud huts in New Detroit.

>>387172351
I'm happy you found some mods to appease at least some of your massive autism.

>>387170527
Who knows? with the way 4 went I probably won't play them anymore.

>>387171549
>pick up trash
>raiders kill everyone
>back to start

>>387172597
>wanting a clean, furnished home = autism
how many piles of shit did you find on the walk home, Pahjeet?

>>387170527
Anon, what age are you? Because you apparently never heard about Fallout 2.
Or NV for that matter.

>>387172480

PCBs are just an organized wiring system. Open an old oscilloscope from the 1950's and you'll find vacuum tubes, a circuit board, and lots of components that have gone dead just due to age. That's another thing; in real life, the capacitors in 1950's equipment are now "leaky." They're not physically leaking anything but they've gone from being capacitors that hold a charge, to resistors, making them completely obsolete. Meanwhile, all these computers, robots, and other things work just fine without anyone crafting new components like capacitors, resistors, vacuum tubes etc?

If we're making giant leaps in suspension of disbelief, at least fix the small things. Show me the scrappers who are manufacturing new things from resources. Show me settlements that aren't buildings with walls made of welded tin can lids. Fuck, even the original games had new adobe style buildings.

>>387172097
Please tell me you are kidding here.

F4, with all it's shit-tier plot, would made perfect sense if it was taking place, say, 50 years after the war, with almost nobody remembering the time before bombs left (aside ghouls).
Instead it collapses under own setting, because muh eternal shacks made out of rotten wood and rusty metal sheets.

>>387172597
Wanna know how I can tell you're a millenial libtard? Clean your room if you ever want to improve your estate in life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBR5v89L6gk

>>387173159
Haven't you noticed how every Elder Scrolls game is set later than the last one, despite each taking place in a completely different province?

Even New Vegas takes place after Fallout 3 despite being on the opposite side of the country

>>387173159

I agree. At this state, the game should take place maybe 50 years at most into the future. You can walk around in Hiroshima and Nagasaki today without being bathed in radiation by stepping in a puddle or eating something from a can.

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>>387170775

The NCR became a major civilization at least technologically on par with our own.

New Vegas is fucking retarded.

>>387173496
Radiation in Fallout works on 50's SCIENCE! principles. You don't just recover from fatal radiation poisoning by pumping orange soda into an intravenous drip.

>>387170527
That's only the case with Fallout 1,2, and New Vegas. In Fallout 3 and 4, somehow everyone lives in shitty towns that they didn't even build, like a baseball stadium or pre war buildings that they reinforced, and are for the most part scavenging with barely any trade going on. In Fallout 2 they are rebuilding from scratch, there's established trading companies, there's casinos, there's electricity everywhere, there's hygiene, there's new things being invented. In Bethesda games there's no sense of rebuilding, as every time you play them the wasteland you are thrown into is a shithole and it's up to you to fix it since the world revolves around your character completely.

>>387173472
The only TES I've played was Daggerfall. Saw my friend playing Morrowind, didn't find it appealing to do 50 fetch quests over big-ass world travelling on foot, so never bothered, and then I just ignored the fanchise completely.

NV at least somewhat fits the continuum, since it picks bits and scraps from Van Burren, so it's less jarring, as it takes place roughtly in the similar time as intended VB's plot.

>>387173496
Screw radiation, that's just Fallout magic. But when you have in the same setting Boston that wasn't exactly nuked and on the other hand people who didn't do even the slightest rebuilding for 210 years, things just went bonkers.

>>387170527
Everything west of DC is post-post apocalypse.
>>387171671
There hasn't been after 3 came out.

>>387173680
>New Vegas is fucking retarded.
More like House just prefers his little slice of heaven to remain untouched, I assume if the NCR took over Vegas, Freeside and its surroudings would be in a much better condition

>>387173725
But you can do so by drinking vodka. At least to a certain degree.

Soviet superscience > SCIENCE!

And seriously, the vodka does increase both radiation tolerance (roughtly 5 times) and makes it possible to remove certain isotopes.

i always felt society was too well put to gether in these games. i want total desolation where the only thing that mattered at the end of the day was surviving.

>>387173680
New Vegas wasn't part of the NCR, so why would they waste resources developing it? They have to conquer it first, and wipe out the fiends and raiders before they can start rebuilding.

>>387173996
The irony being that Freeside wasn't in such a state until NCR casino refugees started squatting in their city

>>387173996
>Missing the point this hard
Not him, but I'm betting a fiver he was talking about the NCR-BoS war and the whole bullshit that comes from it.

>>387174102
Fallout has never been about that. It's always been post-post-apocalypse. Even since the first game there was a stable economy in the wasteland, tons of resources available to you, and a lot of towns/people residing in it. If you want to play a game about survival, set in the Fallout universe, maybe try dust? It's a mod for New Vegas that takes place after another apocalypse where everything was destroyed again and your only goals are to survive and find a way to leave New Vegas. There's also a similar one for FO4, but FO4 was shit and I deleted it after 8 hours of trying to get into it, so I've never tried that mod.

>>387171549
>its okay when New Vegas does it

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My homies, the problem with Fallout is that we're always playing in areas that were heavily infested with blacks or Hispanics. If we played a Fallout set in Tokyo for example, it would look futuristic as fuck.

Think about it

>commiefornia: democrat shit hole infested with pedros
>washington dc: democrat shit hole infested with libtards
>vegas: democrat shit hole infested with more pedros
>boston: democrat shit hole infested with libtards

The games are being set in the wrong places to show development or even sane moral living conditions.

>>387174724
Thanks for your input /pol/. Now go back to your containment board.

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>>387174558
No, not really. They might have had time constraints forcing them to mostly reuse FO3 ruins but Vegas looks nothing like it's supposed to, even ignoring the Gamebryo limitations on size and population density.

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>people think there will be a fallout 5
oldfag fallout devs are long gone and wont get the chance to make a new fallout, bethesda will keep pushing fallout 4 for years to come like what they did with skyrim. However unlike elder scrolls fallout isnt their babby and bethesda doesnt give a shit so they wont feel inclined to dump out a shit sequal just to keep the series alive.

Bethesda uses VR like konami uses pachinko machines. Like metal gear fallout is dead, the even sadder part is metal gear died because kojima was a hack, old fallout had good devs but they just arent allowed to make a new fallout entry. Hell the fallout community got shit on harder then metal gear community.

>>387174790
Fuck off back to /witchhunt/, we're talking video games today.

>>387174724
You are correct but this has no place here.

>>387174724
nothing can beat a state that is extremely conservative
>good morals taught in schools
>no libtard global warming bullshit, just the good book
>school teaches girls not to be whores
>less minorities
>more small businesses
>more guns so there will be less crime once people get more guns
>low taxes
>stoner degernates get the book thrown at them in court
its truly a glorious place

>>387174864
Why would they bother buying it out in that case?
They could have just stuck to the three games contract and leave it at that.

>>387170527
Why do you think Lonesome Road lets you nuke both the NCR and the Legion?

>>387174887
Then stop bringing real life into them. Fallout takes place in another universe, where the US never got out of 50's culture. That means that they were probably xenophobic and conservative, meaning that there was no libtards or minorities. So everything you said has no meaning other than you trying to derail the thread.

>>387175057
Because Avellone is a faggot who apparently doesn't understand the series

>>387174864
Kek, Fallout is a cash cow for Bethesda. Even though it's taken a bit of a hit, due to Fallout 4 being so shitty that even normie """"fans"""" of the series were disappointed, it still prints money for them. They'll milk Fallout 4 as much as possible and then release FO5. But you're kinda right I supposed, since it will just be the abomination Bethesda has created with a Fallout paint over it. True Fallout is dead. New Vegas tried to bring back its decomposing corpse, but ultimately it won't matter since Bethesda will never let another dev touch it again, after how a lot of fans liked New Vegas more than 3 or 4, which hurt their ego.

>>387172857
So the raiders just carry big bags of trash so they can throw it all around when everyone dies?
Also, the raiders in Bethshit fallout are retarded, they made more sense in the originals where they were organized and still existed within society, since they need to sell their loot and such. Bethesda treats the raiders like its still less than 20 years after the bombs fell.

>200 years after the bombs
>can still go to the supermarket and find a box of apples to eat
>flying robot butler who needs propane tanks still floating around despite not having gotten fuel in 200 years
>nobody knows how to recharge batteries but perfectly usable laser rifle ammo everywhere
>circuitry and cables not corroded apart
>everyone is unemployed but too stupid to plant crops so they just sit around getting drunk all day


The people who designed the Fallout universe were retarded. I can deal with a bit of suspension of disbelief, but this is stupid to the point of antagonizing the player. It's like if Brian Fargo and the other original Fallout creators told me something as complex as an ant which has the ability to explore, communicate, repair itself, reproduce, even make quick and precise evasive maneuvers (something that even millions of dollars worth of modern Cray supercomputers daisy chained together to the size of an olympic swimming pool, can't figure out how to make a small robot maneuver even a tenth as accurately as a tiny ant can) just happened to exist after millions of years of raining on rocks and the rock soup getting struck by lightning, yet a paperclip is too complex to have simply formed by billions of years of erosion and chemical reactions turning iron into steel, therefore paperclips required intelligent design to make.

Give me a fucking break, Fargo/Bethesda.

>>387174408
any other non fallout games youd rec? i want to shoot somebody with my last bullet over a backpack that turns out to be empty.

>>387175746

Yes, Bethesda raiders are Firefly reavers. You can't expect nuance or intelligence from their writers though, they're low energy.

>>387176126
Stalker with the right mods I guess? I've played vanilla stalker, and resource management wasn't really a thing, since there was tons of ammo. I don't even think you needed to eat/drink/water/sleep, and if you did, it was so inconsequential that I forgot about it. I know there's tons of mods for it that turn it into a true brutal survival game though, I'm pretty sure. Ask /vg/ about it, some people in the stalker general might be able to help you out. Other than that, not really. There's tons of indie/early access survival games. Most are shit, but you might find a diamond in the rough. There's this one called 7 days to die. You can modify loot to make it really scarce, and never respawn, so that you're always scavenging and trying to survive until the inevitable end when you run out of resources and the enemies keep getting stronger. The forest is OK as well, but it's more of a base building simulator than a survival game, and the combat is shit, also there's tons of respawing resources, so you're never short on supplies. I've heard about state of decay as well, but not sure what type of game it is.

>>387176092
The people who designed the Fallout universe were no the ones creating 3, New Vegas and 4, you dense fucktard.

>>387171549
Why would anyone pick up the trash?

Would you, you cockmongloid?

>>387176625

He mentioned Brian Fargo, also some of the original devs worked on New Vegas. You're clearly the fucktard in this situation.

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>>387174860
>NV will never be remade in a good engine

>>387173898
TES will always be better than Fallout, fuck you.

>>387176832
No, fuck you. I'd rather play Skyrim with guns ANY day.

>>387176092
>I never played old Fallouts
>Hence I misattirubute Bethesda bullshit to Interplay Fallouts
Pro-tip - the world is doing just fine in F1, taking place those 80 years after the bombs and having solid standing. By F2, things are literally peachy, so the point of the game is not to save the world by making it a better place, but stopping bunch of cunts from wiping everyone out.

>>387176732
>some of the original devs worked on New Vegas.
Literally two people

Who were responsible for scripting graphics in F2.

>>387176126
Fallout 1&2 but they aged like nigger cum.

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>>387177021

>he tried the same insult again after being called out as a fucktard the first time

>>387174558
New Vegas was justified in that Mr. House only woke up 7 years before the start of the game and all the major factions got there soon after. Before then it was just a desert wasteland with some scattered tribes.

>>387177125
Fallout 1 and 2 weren't survival games. By the middle of the game you had so much ammo that you had to keep selling it to not become over encumbered, tons of caps, and tons of healing materials.

>>387177309
>hey, check out that cool city that's still holding together
>-carl, stfu and come help me stretch this radiated cow skin over two sticks so we can live in a shitty tent

Whoa. So this...is the power of Bethesda and Obsidian writers...

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>>387177138
>He thinks there is just one person on 4chan

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>>387177487
Are you saying you just saw someone else make a dick of themselves and tried the same exact tactic?

>>387170527
this is a game where nuclear fallout has lasted for 300 years might as well make it last 1000

>>387174102
Go play a million other survival crafting open world games on early access then

>>387174724
retard

Make a bunch prequel like the fan games, ser a bunch in other countries, continue exploring a society that almost completely recovered. Hell, a whole game set before the bombs fell would be interesting. There's a ton they can still do. And none of it will be good under Betheshit.

>>387179752
Other countries are boring as fuck, no thanks. Also, I don't need a nuclear war to live like a savage, I can just visit any socialist country like China, North Korea, Cuba, or Venezuela. Bonus points for Cuban roads looking like the broken roads littered with rusted 50's cars of the Fallout franchise.

Good job, marxists.

>the everythings get better forced meme pushers
Were do these faggots come from reddit, rpgcodex, neogaf?

>>387180050
Why would other countries be boring? It'd be a chance to have new mutants, factions, and even technology. If the writers are good, this can lead to good shit.

>>387180354
Are you having a stroke, anon?

>>387175038
t. Cletus

>>387180612
You mean cloned technology stolen from Americans since we're always the cutting edge of technology. Again, if I wanted to visit some shit hole wasteland with tech stolen from American ingenuity, I'd visit China.

No, thanks.

Heavy industry has restarted in the Pitt
They have a flying aircraft carrier.
The Robotics coming out of Boston exceeds that of pre war.
They have restarted the Vault program.

Meanwhile on the west coast
"General there are some cosplayers hiding in a wooden fort what do we do"

The General pauses as he walks by the power armored troops unloading mini nukes from a vertibird.
"I don't know son I don't know"
"If we only had the tools to deal with this"

Is the west coast even trying?

>>387181468
>Heavy industry has restarted in the Pitt
Oh yeah, a steel mill powered by scavenged ingots and not any kind of iron mine or international trade

Civilization is saved

>>387181468
But the East Coast still doesn't have farming.

>>387174724
Ironic that the Midwest is referred to an uninhabitable dust bowl and the south isn't so much as reference whereas California is the dawn of civilization in the post-apocalypse.
Go back to /pol/

>>387181048
That would be interesting too. Their vaults were never intended as experiments, the shoddy craftsmanship is what lead to wacky scenarios happening in each vault. Some chinks end up thinking this "America" is what their country was called before the war happened. They create New America, which is a warped version of American ideals and culture.

A little closer? F3 is 200 years after the bond yet everything still ducking looks like it dropped yesterday. They can milk it forever with that in mind.

imagine if a decent dev team got their hands on the fallout IP

imagine if they had the balls to set in somewhere else in the world like the UK and show more of what the world thought of pre-war america and what effect the war had on the rest of the world

new factions, new enemies and varients, new locations and stories, new everything but that same fallout feel

though realistically setting it in the UK would be immersion breaking because it would be glassed in a nuclear war because of its size

>>387181971
>every post i don't like must be pol boogeymen

Geez, anon, I hope you have plenty of salsa to go with that huge chip on your shoulder.

>>387175038
As someone who is from a very conservative state:
>less minorities
Clearly you're not from the South.
>more small businesses
??? most small towns get a handful of franchises and a Wal-mart, this isn't the 50s anymore
>stoner degenerates get the book...
Yeah and crackheads and meth junkies run rampant, what a great trade off

>>387182461

You might want to try something other than MSNBC or lat night comedy hosts for your news.

>>387182245
>what effect the war had on the rest of the world
Well the first thing they'd have to cover is that the Great War was between China and America alone. Europe and the Middle East had already destroyed each other years before in the Resource Wars. Everyone else was licking their wounds when "the world" ended in 2077.

>>387181468
East Coast has no farming and people still living in tin shacks and checking the local supermarket for supplies.

West Coast has a whole new civilization with trade routes, farming and a goverment.

>>387172520
>implying they even found mud hut technology
Nah son they are either living under rubble or turned into an even more retarded Super mutant strain.

>>387182628
Don't forget degenerate trash getting nailed to crosses.

I hope the legion marches on those commonwealth commies' faces next. First up, Rail Road.

>>387175746
Apparently they sell to bunker hill and the drug addict gun merchant.
I find it weird that the supposedly smart factions like the Gunners and Rust Devils are still always soiled though

>>387182619
Russia launched nukes too during the great war.

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>f4 is canon

>>387182561
Half the thread is chasing your bait congrats, I might as well do the same.
I live in a small southern town and when I do watch the news I watch the local news. I'm not trying to push an agenda, these are my fucking observations as someone who lives in a small conservative state like you mentioned. So fuck off back to /pol/ you shit stirring mongoloid.

>>387183013
>good Fallout since Shit Vegas
>A bad thing
Fuck off you obsidishits
>inb4 todd

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>we will never get anymore rich well written fallout lore

>>387182859
I didn't know you Legion faggots knew how to use a computer.

>>387182561
Live in the midwest. He's spot on. Except there's no crackheads, that shits for niggers. Heroin is the white man's drug. Also infrastructure's shit.

>>387183148
https://youtu.be/8_HPFoelMQc?t=1m2s

>>387183073
>New Vegas
>Bad
Fuck off, Todd.

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>>387177479
The khans were doing good until the NCR killed them all.
Obsidian didnt do the best at having a civilisation not made out of scrap, though. Wonder if these assets were to be replaced or retextured later in the dev cycle.

>>387183316
Not an argument. New Vegas not only had a shit story but also a shit environment. Muh Jingle Jangle. Fuck off

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>>387172520

Fallout: New Detroit would be crazy. They could even just do google map scans of real Detroit and just photoshop Nuka-Cola ads everywhere.

>>387183073
Go to bed Todd

>>387183353
That's a makeshift military outpost, not a settlement

>>387183353
The Khans were a dying breed whose only contribution to the wasteland has been raiding and killing. They've never been actually prosperous or powerful. Not even in the first game were they an actual threat to the big players.

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They will have to reboot. Hope you guys enjoy Bethesda remaking Fallout 1 and 2.

>>387181468
the Pitt clearly isn't giving any of their products to DC or Boston though....

>>387183468

>shit story
>after the clusterfuck that was 3
>shit environment
>despite the fact that MD manages to look civilized despite being a literal desert

At least use the point that New Vegas is just a 3 expack if you're going to bait.

>the khans have been raiding and harrasing shady sands since it was a tiny settlement
>accidentaly shoot some faggy kids
>m-murderers !

>>387183468
New Vegas has the second best Fallout story. Get some taste, Todd.

>>387174724
Fallout was made by leftists and gay men...

Enjoy having the budgets for healthcare, education and roads+other infrastructure cut to line the pockets of old baby boomers, polfag

>>387183679
The khans are faggots. I wipe them out every playthrough. The one playthrough I actually helped them, because they promised to leave New Vegas alone, they end up making a huge empire, which will probably harass small settlements, push drugs, and make the wasteland shittier.

>>387175072
>Fallout takes place in another universe, where the US never got out of 50's culture. That means that they were probably xenophobic and conservative, meaning that there was no libtards or minorities.
That only applies to Bethesda """"""""""Fallout"""""""""".

>>387182859
I don't think the wood fort will be as effective vs the Minutemen.

"The funny looking gentlemen in the treefort have demanded our surrender sir what do?"

Throws smoke grenade and waits for the 10 min barrage to end.
"Send in the murderbots to make sure they are dead"

"They brought spears to fight a war....spears"
That my friends is how CL passed into history.

>>387173680
>on par with our own
They don't have the capability to make new medicine, manufacture vehicles or have long-range communication. Most of their population live on fucking farms with little to no industry. They are literally 1890's tier with better weapons

>>387183787
Just because 1 or 2 of the developers became sjw faggots doesn't mean all of them were.
Brian Fargo isn't a fucking sjw.

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>>387183621
Tunnelers should make their way to the east coast

>>387183870
Which is the canon fallout now.

>>387183241
I thought meth was the white country mans drug?

>>387175072
Then why was my baby black?

>>387175072
>>387183870
>US never got out of 50's culture
You guys have it all wrong, in the fallout universe the 50's was nothing like IRL 50's

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>>387183469
10 hours in paint.

>>387170775
Caps are just as valid currency as pre war currency
Both are Fiat forms of money but yeah 2 was pretty good for civilization

>>387184124
Because it's a role playing game and even the developers know you're a cuck

>>387183875
Oh...right...the minutemen. A bunch of pussies that fled from their own base because of 8 mirelurks.

>>387184176
Now put Preston Garvey in the middle.

Only the tech was 50's in fallout, look at the buildings in fallout 1 and 2, they all look gothic.

>>387172351
Also
>Sancuary only let's you delete some of the houses and doesn't let you repair the ones in "decent condition

>>387184183
>caps
>fiat money

caps were backed by water. water merchants in the Hub used them, so everyone else had to

NCR money is backed by nothing ie. fiat

>>387184418
The legion is backed by gold. I'm sure they have a cross ready for the first (((banker))) who comes offering to print them some fiat currency.

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>tfw if Troika had bid just a little bit more we could have gotten multiple Van Buren-quality Fallout sequels under series creator Tim Cain, but instead the series spends over a decade and a half in a state of perpetual prison rape and will continue to do so for eternity

>>387184418
It was backed by gold until the BoS niggers blew up their reserves.

>>387183469
>black crackfiend raiders and mutant pitbulls

>>387172351
not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls

>>387177479
Yeah lad, the world was severely depopulated. I'd imagine there weren't that many people trekking across a fucking desert

>>387184268
The difference between A mirelurk queen and CL is that the queen is dangerous.

>>387184729
I understand this reference.

>>387170527
I love that despite all the technological advances in the Institute, they're still waiting for their golden moment to reveal themselves as not bad guys. So despite having a pretty solid knowledge of the shitstorm that is about to be thrown at them, they do nothing, save for taking it up the ass.

I'm sorry, the Institute got one thing right, and that was the idea of helping the Commonwealth, literally just the idea, nothing else.

>>387184584
Not even blew up, they just irradiated the fuck out of that gold. That's even worse.

>>387184729

>w/ talking mutants and ghouls

Would it be more realistic if the mutants and ghouls didn't talk?

>>387184621

>dindukin

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>>387184519
>The legion is backed by gold
Legion money is commodity money. The Aureus is made of gold, the Denarius is made of silver. That's what gives them value outside of Arizona. In the Legion and in the land they control, there's also the fact that Caesar says it's money and you will accept it as such.

There's no vault of bullion determining the value of Legion currency.

>>387176975
Skyrim with guns is literally a meme. You won't find 1% of the variety that Skyrim offers. That anon is right, Elder Scrolls > nu-Fallout

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>>387184621
Kind of already have that
They're just as ugly as pitbulls

>>387170527
>How many games can they keep this up for before the setting stops being post apocalyptic?

It already was with 4 and maybe even 3/NV. As much as I love NV, we need to ditch the post post-apocolyptic setting and revert a bit

>>387184580
Tim Cain lost it, anon. He's trying to make a more "accessible" system that uses shapes instead of numbers. He considers Fallout/Arcanum character creation too complex.

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>>387171549
More like
>downtown Boston has several buildings and sky scrapers in acceptable condition
>could have very easily establish settlements and slowly take back the Commonwealth
>instead choose to live in a fucking baseball stadium willing to shoot your next door neighbor because he might be a robot

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>>387184268
Doesn't even look like geny took good care of it.
For something that had so much buildup, you'd think you'd be able To clean up the rubble, rebuild and that it wouldn't be forgotten immediately after

>>387184965

If they're made out of precious metals then why the fuck are they less valid than bottle caps?

>>387185452
>you'll never have skyscraper settlements connected by massive bridges suspended in the air,

>>387184904

>we're not the bad guys, we just sent out synthetic people to murder real people and take their identities

Were it in my power, I'd have the Brotherhood and Legion round those degenerates up along with their commie allies the Railroad and have them all gassed and burned for fuel. Their fat would power factories.

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>>387183941
YOU TAKE THAT BACK

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>>387185597
Why do Americans not take Australian money when it's made out of higher quality material?

>>387185636
that's too hard for old todd

>>387170527
>civilization gets closer to being rebuilt with every game
>they went backwards with 3 and 4
What did he mean by this?

>>387185597
Aureus is worth 100 caps, Denarius is worth 4

Caps are the standard currency because Obsidian didn't have the time to fuck with Gamebryo and make a proper multiple-currency system, so coins and dollars had to be items with a fixed barter value.

>>387183941
Tunnelers are the biggest bullshit. Somehow despite them not existing at all outside of DLC land, they're the biggest threat to the wasteland and there's a 90% chance they will destroy all civilization again, because they're somehow more powerful than deathclaws and reproduce faster than rabbits after getting exposed to a bit of radiation, even though deathclaws where genetically engineered to be the perfect predator. I hope they're reconned out of existence.

>>387185765

I hate monopoly.

>>387184965

The bullion is smelted down to mint the coin, genius. That's how it worked for thousands of years until certain (((bankers))) convinced everyone to just print IOU money and run inflation out of control while throwing it at hordes of shit head uninformed marxist voters.

If you would really rather have a pocket full of corroded steel instead of gold, you're an idiot in video games and IRL.

>>387185518
>clean up the rubble

See: >>387184176

>>387185637
Lets be honest - a much better use of synths would be to harvest their organs for regular humans in the commonwealth. Think about it - they're not radiated, their systems are still baby-fucking-fresh, and chances are, the Institute has taken measures to harden synths to particular diseases of the commonwealth, hence the coursers.

They're basically walking organ incubators for someone else.

>>387174724
>>vegas: democrat shit hole infested with more pedros
Oh shit
> the ncr are the Democrats
> the legion are the Mexicans
>The followers of apocalypse are Republicans
>The trumps tards are the boomers
> The jews are the brotherhood of steel
>The house cybor man screen it's actually not a burgerboi

>>387185982
If synths are 1:1 copies of humans, why not just put the synth chip into the brain of a human instead of making another human?

>>387185982
Or you could just skip growing whole people and just manufacture organs on demand

>>387185765
wtf dude, your money is printed on old captain crunch boxes?

>>387183353
>The khans were doing good until the NCR killed them all.
The Khans were never doing well. The Vault Dweller kicked their shit in, then when they were finally recovering the Chosen One came and did it all over again, then the NCR pushed what was left out into the Mojave then they got fucked again at Bitter Springs.

>>387186082
>followers of the apocalypse are republicans
>the healthcare faction are republicans
WHAT?

Is anyone else bored by post-nuclear apocalypses? They feel like old hat at this point.

How "retro" was Fallout intended to be?

This is kind of in response to the songs in New Vegas and Fallout 3- in Fallout 1 and 2, the parallels with the American 20th century experience are there, with laser weapons, types of cars, and some very faded bill boards, but other than that there isn't much connection to the Old World, and the actual society of America before the Great War is left pretty ambiguous. But then in Fallout 3 and New Vegas, we have an actual image of the 50's homestyle in 2077, as well as music records of Frank Sinatra and the Andrews sisters- people who, should of all things, had been past their prime for almost 100 years. So I know Fallout is supposed to show an America that never evolved past the 50's mentality, but to WHAT extent? Were these records just around because the US never grew tired of them? Was "new" music produced in the style of 40's swing, and these tapes were kept around for reference? Or, the most drastic idea, were all of these singers born much later (around 2000 in Fallout) and thus had their peaks and primes around 2077?
But my overarching question is: how 50's-esque were the original Fallouts trying to be? And did New Vegas and 3 take that theme too far?

>>387186173
You missed the bit where House and the Three Families forced them out of Vegas

>>387172351
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>387186115
Yeah, idk about that. Probably, but if you saw your dead ass on the floor without realizing what happened, what might you do?

>>387186132
Well obviously I have to have something to munch on. Can't just eat organs, people are going to use those.

>>387186082

>the healthcare faction that wants to provide charity to random people on the street is republican

the rest is pretty spot on, but nigga what

>>387186234
TES 6 will come out and then you'll be bored of high fantasy.

fallout 3 was the most desolate of them all though

1 and 2 were focused on the towns and settlements. 3 was focused on the wasteland. NV a little of both

never played 4

>>387186390
I'd just rather have a different type of apocalypse. Breakdown of society, or something to do with global warming.

>>387186239
The advertisements in the Fallout 1 into look pretty 50's. the car in 2 is also pretty 50's inspired
I think it's more that the old world culture is mostly forgotten in the originals while the new games are very nostalgic for the past

>>387173060
I remember reading somewhere that the transistor wasn't invented in the Fallout universe and vacuum tubes are around to keep that 1950's view of the "future" feel to it. But I also remember transistors being mentioned in game as well, so who knows.

>>387186394
The sense of a desolate, burned wasteland is completely gone, save for the bottom-left corner of the map, and even so, not really.

>>387185835
FO1 and 2 and NV take place on the West Coast while 3 and 4 on the East Coast, it makes sense in a way

>>387173060
At least New Vegas addressed how bottlecaps have remained relevant.

>>387185835
It made sense with 3 because DC was always the canonically most nuked and irradiated place on Earth, but by that logic it should have been a ruined crater with no standing building left. That's why Fallout on the east coast makes no fucking sense, most of the USA's military bases and nuclear silos are on the eat coast. In the event of total nuclear war most of the east coast would be a big dead radioactive crater.

>>387186239
Also the music is probably because Bethesda doesn't have the talent to make new original music. Fallout 4's Magnolia music is a good example of their lack of talent
Think of them more as archived classics which were easy to find, while new albums didnt bother with archiving or whatever as they were still around and in rotation.

>>387186239
Fallout takes place in a different time line (obviously) but not just the bombs and the wars, but culture stopped advancing in the 50's and tube technology wasn't abandoned for solid state tech.

>>387186239
Fallout was intended to depict what the people of the 40's/50's thought that the future would look like.

>>387186082
Followers are more like the Greens or maybe the libertarians when Gary was running it

>>387186445
Ok I get what you're saying. That would be cool, basically what The Division (never played it tho) tried to do? If Bethesda made something like that you just know it would be super corny and unrealistic, unfortunately.

>>387186602
I really wished they had added a couple dozen more recordings on the radio stations. I want to find a mod that gives me exactly Mojave Radio and New Vegas Radio for FO4, but I haven't found any that really do it for me yet.

>>387185835
Everyone on the east coast just went down to Miami to relax on the post apolocalyptic beach.

>there will never be another top down fallout game
>From now until the franchise dies it will be stuck with whatever shitty engine Bethesda has a hard on for
What keeps you going guys?

>>387186751
I'd just like to separate the music by genre. Nothing turns me off more than jamming in the wasteland to the more rock like music before immediately going to the drab 'I don't want to set the world on fire'

>>387186786
Would Bethesda become better if someone "stopped" Todd?

>>387186786
modding f3/nv

fallout 1.5

pretending that f4 doesn't exist

>>387186359
>>387186214
>healthcare faction
They are not that, most of the notable followers of apocalypse are clerics, librarians, scientist and doctors.

They are also known for doing crap, healing people and reading books never takes them far away.

They have more than 100 years and they still don't have a base or any power in murica, they are pathetic.

>>387186239
Pretty retro, but only about 10% of 3 and 4's levels. Most of the 50's stuff was visual in the first two games, like in the opening credits and on some billboards in the towns. The pop music, I always felt, was more to set the mood for the player rather than something listened to by characters in game.

>>387186786
the PS2 GTA games were in gamebryo, or at least had ports in the engine. Why can't we get the GTA world spaces and turn them into fallout mods?

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>>387186746
Something like that. Maybe more along the lines of the first Mad Max, where civilisation is circling the drain but isn't quite there yet. Just before the end.

>>387186931
And librarians, scientists, education and doctors are notably republican ideals, right?

>>387186394
It takes day to walk between towns in the first games, though. You can't fart in Fallout 3 without hitting a raider or something.

>>387186082
How is it possible for a single person to fuck up so badly?
>NCR - Republicans - Imperialistic/nationalistic, waste money on a military and expansion rather than infrastructure and their own territory. If you're not with us, you're against us. Said to bring order and values, but are degenerates themselves.
>Followers - Democrats - help everyone, not questions asked, even though they don't have the resources and it might come back to bite everyone in the ass later. Act educated and smart, but depend on everyone else to do their work for them.
>Legion - Nonwhites - Hostile, invading force, spawned from the followers(Democrats), who are slowly, but surely taking over the wasteland. Even though they aren't as advanced, their superior numbers(birthrates) are turning things in their favor. Refuse to integrate and push their culture aggresively
>House - The jew(s) - Controls everything from his command tower, and all the money flows through his city
>BoS - /pol/ and keyboard warriors - Neckbeards who think they know better than everyone, but never leave their basement
>Boomers - Alt right/trumptards - Want to close themselves off and think everyone but them is wrong, but at the same time would be nothing without the outside world(they said that they will run out of resources eventually) and depend on the NCR for trade/support.
>fiends - niggers - feral, attack anyone on sight
>Great Khans - SJW's - Attack everyone when they refuse to acknowledge their crazy beliefs. Cry about it when they get BTFO. Depend on the followers for help

>>387186751

My only beef with the music is that it's mostly crappy sexual inuendo garbage.

It's basically a whole playlist of 1950's "when i sheeeit, muh dick touch da waw'tah, muh dick touch da waw'tah, muh dick touch da waw'tah"

Some of the songs were catchy and fun though like:

>nat king cole's orange colored sky
>gene autry's i've got spurs that jingle jangle jingle
>marty robbins' big iron
>betty hutton's he's a demon, he's a devil, he's a doll

>>387186997
Why can't obsidian just make a kickstarter for a post apocalyptic game, just call it MAD and set in it australia.
Or even ask to use the wasteland license

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>>387186902
excuse me?

>>387187162
You're just mad that you're not a 60 minute man

>>387187248

58 minutes is good enough!

>>387186984
Because there are major differences between Gamebryo and what Bethesda has done to their copy

>>387187248
Rocket 69 is literally playing in my head 24/7 and it's not even one of my top 5 songs from FO4.

>>387186894
>Big Iron
>Fuck yeah
>Johnny Guitar
>Fuck no

>>387187163
They got other games they're working on. Pillars 2 is looking pretty fun since it's looks like it's fixing all the shit parts from pillars one Ruined the fucking character portraits tho And they got that tyranny dlc coming out.

>>387175038
>implying
Indiana is a shithole and you know it.

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>>387182245
Jesus fucking Christ just give me a fallout-ish game in the UK where everyone lives under bleak domes and we have future mods x rockers battles.

>>387170527
Its already post-post-apocalyptic

>>387187460
The rest of the world is actually more fucked up than America after the war and probably all dead. IIRC China is basically just a giant glowing sea.

Well /v/ which is the best?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13708175

>>387182245
>imagine if they had the balls to set in somewhere else in the world like the UK
t. Eurocuck that doesn't understand that the whole setting of fallout was designed to be based around America and American lifestyles.

>>387185835
The reason they went backwards with 3 and 4 is because it was supposed to be set before even the first Fallout. Fallout 3 was originally going to take place in 2097. Bethesda decided to change this to 2277 without making changes to the setting and story to accommodate for it.

>>387187691
Joshua Sawyer disagrees

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>>387187596
I'm sorry anon it's just that I've always wanted to be a mod but I live in a pretty steep and hot place so driving Vespas and wearing suits is difficult and I also love retrofuturism as a whole

>>387185186
>Pitbulls
>Ugly

>>387172351
Did you actually PLAY Fallout 4? Did you not do the Mystery Meat quest?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UBJylzbY

>>387187983
jose pls

>>387187769
Joshua Sawyer is a washed up faggot cuck.

>>387188092
He's made more Fallout that you ever will

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>>387188209
He wont be be making anymore Fallout tho.

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>house ending won't be canon

>>387189230
Yeah, because the independent ending is cannon dumbass.

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>>387186902
Emil is the man that needs to be "stopped".

>>387189431
That can't be real.

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>Honest hearts is the best DLC
>1 good character and like 3 total quests
>Old World Blues is shit on
>Memorable characters, shit ton of quests
What did they mean by this?

>>387187460
have in-game radios that play The Jam exclusively and i'd buy

>>387189791
OWB>Dead Money=Lonesome Road>Honest Hearts

>>387185872
Don't worry the aliens in the underground city in the Mojave will deal with them.

>>387183621
I always thought nightstalkers were adorable. Plus they are the cazadore's natural predator which makes them perfect pets.

>>387189791
muh operator meme and fetishization of """righteous fury"""

>>387189431
>>387189664
>appeal to female audiences by making the game MORE combat focused
Wouldn't put such "logic" behind Bethesda.

>>387190327
Uhh, sweetie.. doesn't this mean obisdiots are literally womens ? good thing they will never make another fallout 4 game.

>>387184729
people like you are cancer, the key to making something that sticks with people is making sure the fantastic elements are washed out. they spent years making politics on Game of Thrones seem gritty and realistic for a reason.

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>>387190481
I'm sorry friend but it's not that poster you should be mad at

>>387190327
Women are filthy casuals and won't buy a game that looks like it might require thought. It's why women flock to mindless shooters like Overwatch but are repulsed by 4X games and the like.

Stripping Fallout down to a 50s shooting gallery makes the game simple enough for women to enjoy and cuts back the amount of effort that has to go into development. It's a win-win for Bethesda

>>387189431
I'm the opposite of feminist and I think that's sexist as fuck.

>>387174860
>>387177309
>Literally "it's okay when Nee Vegas" does it. Trudy in the first town says she had been there for 7 years and people were already there when she got there. The town is still a shithole, nobody thought to pick up the random garbage in that time? The casino in primm has trash/rubble everywhere and chairs overturned despite being a functional casino for years. This pattern continues through the whole game. Novac is indistinguishable from a junkyard but is also somehow a major trade hub.

>>387191290
Goodsprings is probably the most realistic town in any of the modern fallouts which is saying something. All the houses are in pretty good shape, and there aren't a bunch of people crammed into one single house. It's still really messy and full of random debris but I take it that's just to remind people that it is set during the apocalypse.

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>>387191239
Women are more averse to violence than men due to the abundance of estrogen and lack of testosterone in their bodies. Why do you think they vastly prefer Candy Crush, the Sims and Persona to Call of Duty, Street Fighter and Dark Souls?
Making Fo4 an overwhelmingly more macho game than New Vegas only serves to turn women off.

>>387189791
all the dlcs except lonesome road were really good in their own ways.

>>387191290
>Goodsprings is a tiny shithole in the middle of nowhere
Gee I wonder why its underdeveloped
>the casino in Primm has trash/rubble everywhere
Probably related to the dynamite-toting convicts that just took it over
>Novac
Looks fine? Yeah there's some junk in the garage across the street but it's not like they're all wallowing in filth

>>387191534
Is it realistic that nobody looted, the gas station or school house before the player got there? Why doesn't someone live in the school when it is nicer than their houses and bigger?

>>387191648
>Probably related to the dynamite-toting convicts that just took it over
None of them are in the casino.

>With every Fallout game, civilization gets just a little bit closer to being rebuilt.
Someone clearly hasn't played 3 or 4 then.

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>>387192176
Why would you play them thought.

>>387173680
>technologically on par with our own
What crap hole do you live in?

>>387192262
3 is salvageable through TTW.
Plus it's good to know what they are like so you can shit talk them in discussion.

>>387191939
Not when you get there, but they could've fucked it up when they first arrived

>>387170527
Fallout 1 was pretty much the only post apocalypse game in the series and even then there were settlements with complex political, social and economic systems.

>>387192406
Would you make this many excuses for 3 or 4?

>>387191548
>candy crush
>the sims
>puzzle games
>walking simulators
None of the women that prefer those types of games were ever going to buy a Fallout game regardless of how they marketed it.

>>387193195
Fallout themed candy clicker puzzle game with dress up avatars.

>>387192560
>this town is probably fucked up because of the bandits everywhere
Yeah I'm really stretching to explain this one away

>>387183906
1890's is still way, way better than everyone living in tin huts with mud floors like in the Bethesda games.

>>387185872
Id say that's really just Ulysses' estimation. I don't think they could compete with all the other fauna in the wasteland, though they might decimate the brahmin population.

>>387193337
There is no evidence they went in the casino,sweetie. Actually, since everyone inside is completely unharmed we can assume they never did.

>it's okay when New Vegas does it

>>387192176
4 is more built than 3.
The east is just way behind the west.

>>387186239
Id definitely say 3 took it too far. It was as if everyone in DC was alive when the bombs fell; the ghouls and humans practically acted and thought the same. The BoS wasn't even all that technocratic or xenophobic. Raiders didn't even have a tribal background or explanation.

New Vegas seemed justified in that you had people culturally civilized by years of NCR rule, and people who adopted 50's Vegas culture because house basically forced them too.

>>387193917
And yet both are a huge step backwards in terms of society development.

The only factions that come close are the Pitt raiders and the Institute.

>>387194041
>I can't read

>>387194189
No I can, I was just saying it's not worth mentioning that 4 is ahead of 3 when both are more or less the exact same.

>>387175038
>good morals and no whores
what are repressed teenagers and much higher teen pregnancy rates
>more small business
implying its not just chains like walmart
>low taxes
=shit such as oklahoma and its roads/schools
>muh drugs
what is the meth epidemic

>>387194243
And if you read the post you would know that it said the same thing you did thus making your post redundant.

>>387193792
>There is no evidence they went in the casino,sweetie
How about all those empty safes hanging open? There's no reason why the powder gangers couldn't have pillaged the casino before moving into the hotel where all the food is. The surviving townspeople moved into the casino afterwards because they're safer in a group. This really doesn't take that much imagination.

Bumpo