Here's your daily reminder: fuck Bethesda and fuck Zenimax.

>>387155302
Restrictions and limitations bring out the best in good devs

>>387155707
Fucking this, if people are given free reign to do whatever the fuck they want when designing a game you get total fucking messes like Grimoire.

>>387155707
How about I restrict you by cutting off your arm? Huh?
Obsidian's bread-and-butter is good dialogue. It's what they do. The writing in New Vegas and the DLCs is great, and there being less of it is a shame.

>>387155707
much to bethesda's chagrin

>>387155302
10,000 is A LOT of recorded lines.

>>387155707
>>387155786
These guys said it. If you can't make something interesting with 10 THOUSAND lines of dialogue it speaks volumes about the people running the project.

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>>387156082
I looked it up, here's the actual quote from Chris Avellone.
“I will admit one bit of trickery I did was, because we had a limited number of voice lines, we started doing things like making some of the main characters mute. So they’d only do like, hand gestures and symbols and non-spoken text. We were only able to get away with that for so long.”

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>>387155302
Go away, Josh. You have to fight the straight white males.

>>387157179
That NVfag one is 100% true

>>387155707
>>387155786
But all the restriction did is stop them from recording voice lines. Is New Vegas somehow a better game because some characters don't talk?

>>387155302
Cry more obsidiot cock sucker.

>>387157179
what is with fallout threads and image macros, comparisons and comics?

>>387156395
Why didn't he just make minor characters have non-voiced lines? All the major plot would be voiced and minor sidequests not. Spend that budget somewhere else like, I don't know, bug-fixing?

>>387159072
They are repeated so often that people don't even have the will to type out their thoughts anymore

What the fuck kinda limit is that anyway? You can skirt the line a bit with the metacritic bonus thing but this is straight up malicious.

>>387160849

Prob had to have all dialogue voiced for parity with fallout 3/oblivion

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>>387155707
>>387155786
>>387156082
>muh pretend a weakness is a strength

Fallout 3 is a fun themepark where you can have a good time in an apocalyptic wasteland.
Safe and easy fun for everyone! Watch as Hilarious Jokes play out in a hellish apocalypse! LOL....

>>387155302

>When you do everything short of busting the developer's kneecaps and they still make a game that run circles around yours in quality

>>387155302
>fuck budgets.

Never go into business.

>>387162679
>Refuse to acknowledge why it was better, and release a new game doubling down on all your claims of why your original version succeeded
>Everyone hates it and gives game of the year to some sweatsuit-clad polacks for having none of the things you claimed players wanted
>People are already calling for a new game by the developers you failed to cuck
>tfw Todd Howard

>>387156082
>If you can't make something interesting with 10 THOUSAND lines of dialogue it speaks volumes about the people running the project.
Well bethesda couldn't do it with more than ten times that number.

>>387155939
>I play games for the writing!
Fuck off. Obsidian sucks, you suck, go suck a fuck chucklefuck

>implying the mute characters were not the best in their dlcs
Christine my waifu, 8 is best bro, ED-E is loyal pet.

>>387155707
Working with that engine is already a restriction

>>387155707
Counterpoint: Restrictions and Limitations may encourage skilled developers to develop more ingenious work-arounds, but it is just as likely to render an otherwise brilliant idea impossible.

When you remove all restrictions, there WILL be a significant number of people who take advantage of the free reign and create half-assed, over-indulgent shit, but these are the sorts of creators who would not have bothered to create interesting art even if they were heavily restricted. Meanwhile, truly skilled and creative developers can have the freedom to do whatever they want and deliver truly unique and game-changing experiences.

You literally have nothing to lose by removing restrictions, and everything to gain.

NV managed to have a less stable release than Fallout 3 to the point where Obsidian had to release a patch in the first few days after release so reviewers could even finish the game.

>>387163342
look at this loser having a meltdown

>>387162679
>when you change the color setting of an already developed game from green to orange, reuse ideas from Van Buren, most new game mechanics from already existing mods and it's emptier than the original game coming out 18 months earlier

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>>387157692
Yes

>>387164519
whats wrong with reusing ideas from a game that has never released or seen and people modded in llama's to minecraft does not mean the devs cant add it

>>387163986
If only Bethesda had done better bug testing.

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Is there an explanation for that limit?

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Yet these things would just not shut the fuck up.

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>>387165392

>>387165392
voice actors cost money to hire
assuming this isn't just made up bullshit
or maybe bethesda were trying to limit the amount of autism chris avellone and josh sawyer could inject into the DLC (they failed)

>>387165413
I think the think thank has atleast 30 minutes of dialog if you don't skip.

>>387163827
I think Dan Abnett has a video were he explains how the limitations of the universe you are writing about is important.
Basically saying get a good story, idea, plot and characters then place them in the universe and if your gonna break the normal lore and rules you need to know by how much and if it's even reasonable to do so to not break immersion and have the reader just start questioning how/why.
In 40k if his cast went from normal guardsmen shooting orks to super sayains blowing up worlds its not going to make sense no matter how well you wright it

>>387165392
When subcontracting, you always earmark the budget or otherwise people like Gearbox will blow all the money on useless shit (like more than 10,000 lines of voice acting for DLC) or even entirely different games.

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>>387157179
>If you disagree you are Todd Howard.

Sounds like something Todd would say...

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>>387156082
>10,000 is A LOT of recorded lines.
Not for 4 DLCs to a story and dialogue heavy game.

>>387164721
Did anybody else think it was fucking retarded how her dialogue was typed versions of sign language?

>>387155302
That wouldn't even be a problem if people were willing to tolerate unvoiced dialogue.

>>387164834
This. Bethesda had full control and responsibility over Q & A.

>>387165917
yes
fucking inexcusable in a first person game

>>387165962
Go fuck yourself nigger.

>>387165413
say what you will, but I really enjoyed the dialogue in Old World Blues. The whole super science angle reminded me of Venture Bros.

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>>387155302
That's a really scummy thing to do, but I can appreciate it for giving my nigga ED-E the opportunity to be an actual character.

>>387165917
It was probably the best they could do. It was either that or create a whole new set of animations and find a way to make them trigger properly in dialogue mode.

>>387166051
Devs can add a lot more dialogue if they don't have to worry about getting it voiced. This means more depth and more options.

>>387165685
>dan abnett
>cautioning restrictions and breaking thereof
that´s fucking delicious irony.
He could not write a fucking sentence without committing lore rape or skirting special snowflake territory.

>>387165917
How else would they do it? Even if they make special animations for each line of 'dialogue' then interactions with your character like squeezing your hand or messing with your Pip-Boy would be impossible to show within the dialogue system

>>387166235
>scummy
>imposing a budget is scummy

>>387165917
Tell me specifically how you would animate "squeeze your hand and stares at you intently" without it coming across as "holds your hand and looks at you".

>>387165962
It would be nice, there would be much more content. Voice protagonists are such a huge turn off man.

>>387166364
>How else would they do it?
make animations
or
dont make a deaf character

>>387166682
>Deaf
She's mute

>>387166682
Are you retarded? He just said why making animations wouldn't work.

And she's mute. Not deaf

>>387166682
She's not deaf. She's mute. She can't speak because the Auto-Doc fucked with her vocal chords to change her voice.

If only we could make every woman sound like Laura Bailey...

>>387160849
Bethesda was in charge of playtesting and bugfixing.
They purposely released the game in the state it was at launch so it would get points docked in its reviews and they wouldn't have to pay the bonus stipulated in their contract with Obsidian.

>>387166954
then you rewrite the script so she does signs that you can clearly display in first person (not that you couldnt display those emotes anyway)
use your brain

>>387163986
They also only had like 12 months to develop the game

>>387166823
>>387166954
>>387167006
Why is everyone on /v/ so pedantic?

>>387164834
>fairy tales become true when it's about NV
>it's the fault of bugtesters that there are bugs

>>387167026
Then again, this is Bethesda we're talking about. They're not exactly known for great playtesting or bugfixing anyway.

>>387167148
18 months IIRC and they didn't have to build a game from scratch, still failed to meet deadlines.

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>>387155302
>Bethesda puts a limit on how much they're willing to spend funding DLC
>Obsidiots begins reeing uncontrollably
Bethesda did nothing wrong.

>>387166092
It helps that they actually had Rusty Venture's VA playing 0.

>>387163986
That's not uncommon for RPGs, let alone Obsidian.

>>387167075
NV's dialogue system just doesn't work for that. They'd have to put in a ton of work to make it do what you're talking about, and it would have been a waste of time and resources to try to completely overhaul the dialogue system for the sake of one single character.

>>387167197
>"why are people correcting me when I'm wrong?"
Also you're a retard and should leave, instead of continuing to further drag down the quality of the board with your presence

>>387167390
except Bethesda was the ones that playtested the game and was also the ones to help get rid of bugs

There's a reason Bethesda is still in business while Obsidian has to rely on kickstarter.

>>387167662
Proofs?

>>387167669
They appeal to the lowest common denominator ?

>>387155302
>bethsda puts stupid ass restrictions on zenimax
>zenimax works around it and still adds more content despite bethsda trying to stop them
>still say 'fuck zenimax'

>>387165962
>>387166639
I think the original Fallouts did it the best.
Only the most important NPCs got voiced lines, and they put real effort into making sure their animations and voice lines were unique and fucking good.
With the 3D games, you get almost everyone having their own set of voiced dialogue, but you have to deal with everyone having the same group of canned animations and 90% of NPCs being voiced by Yuri Lowenthal or Liam O'Brien.

>>387167762
Obsidian can't work on a budget and can't meet deadlines. There's a reason nobody wants to work with them anymore.

>>387167774
you don't know what zenimax is do you?
because you're talking about obsidian, cocksucker

>>387167669
Swallowing up more talented studios with underhanded business tactics?

>>387167518
I think he's bitching about the dude who thinks reading is hard.

>>387167518
it's a completely pointless correction which has nothing to do with the discussion

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>>387165780
No need to be suspicious

>>387155302
You know that actually explains quite a lot about how there's so many fucking mutes in the DLCs.

>>387168082
It's not tho, the difference between deaf and mute is pretty large unless you're retarded

>>387155786
what's wrong with grimoire

>>387168082
deaf means you cant hear
mute means you cant talk
idiot

And they still did a great job. No one noticed or suspected anything.

>>387168428
I bet you're real proud of yourself for figuring that one out

>>387167774
you are extremely stupid

>>387155707
>>387155786
You should both be gutted like fish. Not even joking, I hope you die in pain.

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>Obsidrones have been crying about NV for almost a decade

>>387157692
No it's a better game because unlike in 3 and 4 you can actually kill every NPC you come across at any time after you first see them.

>>387168542
At least that guy's not too much of a fuckwit to be oblivious of the difference
Cry somewhere else

>>387156395
None of that quote places the blame on Bethesda. This could of been Microsoft/Sony as they use to be real hardasses when it came to DLC/Patches. Maybe they still are but you don't hear about it as much.

>>387167221
>Fairy tales
Yes, it is their fault there were bugs in the final product what do you think the title "Bug Tester" implies? The publishers are the one who handle quality assurance, they tested it and either didn't find any bugs, found them acceptable, or let them slide to meet their own deadline.

>>387168542
WHY DOESN'T THIS PERSON DO THING

Because they don't need to

WOW UR SMART

>>387168649
Woah... Settle down man...

>>387168714
False

>>387168923
Yeah I guess you can't kill Yes Man because he'll just jump to another body.

>>387168923
Extrapolarize

what would happen if everyone on 4chan stopped shitposting for 5 minutes?

>>387168998
You can disable his current body unabling him to jump to another bot.

>>387169024
You mean extrapolate?

>>387169059
It would be extremely painful.

>>387169124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTQPKrsL5WU

>>387168724
everyone knows the difference, correcting someone over an absent-minded irrelevant mistake makes you look like a fuckwit

ITT: kids thinking voice acting is free

>>387169269
It's not irrelevant when your argument hinged on it.

>>387168870
>Bethesda/Zenimax and Obsidian agree on a release date for NV
>Obsidian doesn't meet it, presents half-asses bugfest
>Bethesda is hard pressed to release it regardless due to competition with Fable
>Obsidiots blame Bethesda for decades for the incompetence of their favorite vidya-chucklefucks
>years later nobody wants to do business with Obsidian anymore because they never fully deliver

>>387169365
being deaf means being mute most of the time

>>387163342
>go suck a fuck chucklefuck
I said this to my daughter and she giggled.

>>387169356
Considering almost all NPC in Fallout 3, NV and 4 share the same voice actors you would think they spend a little more cash

>>387169834
is she cute?
is it your daughter(son)

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>>387169375

we get it

>>387155302
Can't blame them for that. Proves Obsidian knows what they're doing. That's a pretty clever solution.

>>387169375
>In direct competition with Fable III
That's the real fairy tale, even if you believe that narrative then Obsidian still delivered by garnering more positive reviews than Fable 3.

>A little over a year to work with a buggy engine even its developers still produce games with shit tons of bugs with
>Still has code specifically from Oblivion in it
>New assets, new animations, new coding, among other things
>Engine so limited it literally cannot have shotgun shells used with a melee weapon

>>387164721
This is a safe for work board.

>>387170621
>Oh no someone doesn't think NV is the greatest game ever
>Must be Todd

I swear Nv fags are making this board objectively shittier

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>>387164519
>New Vegas is emptier than 3
Care to show some proof faggot?

Bethesda does 90% of the heavy lifting for Obsidian and they still bitch.
There is a reason it took damn near 2 decades for anybody to work with Obsidian twice.

Obsidian is the whiniest studio ever formed and they can't go out of business fast enough.

If Obsidian was allowed to make a new Fallout do you think they would they do New Vegas 2 or pick a new location? I don't know why I'm asking because it will never happen.

>>387172535
Probably a new location in the West, maybe the North West.

hey friends how bout we all forget about this bethesda vs obsidian nonsense and just buy fallout 4!

>>387168649
Who hurt you anon?

>>387162461
>t. shitter who has no creative ability

>>387155707
New Vegas was also supposed to allow you to explore the other side of the Colorado River and enter Legion settlements, but that all got cut because the team only had like, a year long development cycle.

So no, this is only half true. In some cases it does and in others it doesn't.

>>387171881
It doesn't have miles of shit metro tunnels, that means less content

Patrolling the Mojave

Obsidian wouldn't have had to make sacrifices on recorded lines if they didn't make everyone else so fucking long winded. Just cutting out all of Ulysses' "BEAR AND BULL" nonsense would have probably covered all three characters in the OP.