Horizon Zero Dawn

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Pretty much everything. They worried about diversity instead of doing nothing to make people look like post apocalyptic tribals would even look like. The REALISM looks awful, and in a game where you're fighting large metal dinosaurs, they should have worked around this wonderful concept art.

hang on, here come the shills.

>>387151303
It's kind of funny how you're using the realism defense when you're really just whining that the girl isn't pretty

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/v/irgin would fuck her anyways

Trying too hard to make her look unique instead of beautiful.

>>387150806
>>387151303
>wanting to taint a pretty face with the god-awful animations that are actually in the game
this is a mercy

I don't understand what's wrong with her model. She looks fine. The only issue I can think of is the game's poor facial animations makes everyone look stiff.

>>387151505
But i don't fuck boys tho. So, no, i wouldn't fuck Aloy.

>>387151597
I'm still convinced they used a teenage boy as a model for Aloy. I just can't see anything feminine in that face.

>>387150806
Stop playing western games, cuck.

>>387151505

Thanks for reminding me that Card Sagas Wars is vaporware.

>>387151392
everybody try not to look shocked that the gender studies graduate cant manage basic reading comprehension

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>>387151505
They're called virgins not homosexuals. The name should have tipped you off.

They probably used a face model or something.

>>387151303
>hang on, here come the shills.
maybe your the shill.

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>>387151303
>>387150806
>that qt became this abomination
Cultural marxism, not even once.

>>387151662
>>387152010
I have a male friend that looks uncannily similar to this character.

>>387152091
i hate her because she looks like a friend of mine (male), so see his face into a body with bobs and vegana just fuckin killme.

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>>387152010
they did

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Western devs are desperate to prove that their games are too smart for attractive girls, indirectly making the sexist point that attractiveness is dumb and unwanted. It's not even 50/50 anymore. The far majority of girls in modern games are intentionally made ugly or alternative. All this to make a nonsensical point of how incredibly aware the devs are of a woman's looks.

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>>387150806
She actually looks cute there. Bangs significantly improve every female character design. Japan realized this long ago.

>>387152309
What the fuck?

WHAT THE FUCK?!

This is worse than Mass Effect Andromeda's face model. How can these devs make 2D that looks worse than 3DPD? It actually takes effort to pull it off.

>>387152414
Zarya and Phoebe are fine

>>387152309
The girl that pic actually looks cute though? Is it the shitty hairstyle they gave Aloy that makes her look ugly as sin? Is it because Aloy doesn't wear make up?

>>387152547
They do it on purpose

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>>387152309
How did they fuck that up?

>>387152571
So are Fetch and Faith

>>387152571
>Phoebe
>fine
oh my god

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>>387152575
>Is it because Aloy doesn't wear make up?
more or less

I don't care that she's ugly but personality wise she was very insufferable, talking back to everyone and acting cocky all around. She doesn't feel very "adventurous"

>>387150806
Being a straight male and being attracted to a woman's beauty is sexist and evil now.

>>387152781
Even that dyke somehow looks cuter than Aloy. WTF, I'd actually fuck whoever's in that pic over Aloy

>>387152091
>noooooooooo why cant she look like generic fapbait?

>>387152768
She's just a buff chick. She still has a cute face and feminine qualities. What's the issue?

>>387152309
They took this and gave her 10 pounds on each cheekand a shitty haircut

>>387150806
I'm sure they'll give her a burqa if you ask them.

>>387152414
Zarya is fuckable, though. She's not made to pander to SJW's, in reality she was made to pander to musclegirl fags, just like Mei was made for fat fags.

>>387152964
You're calling the official artwork generic fapbait... Well, with that kind of reply I won't expect you to be very smart.

exposed FOREHEADS are ugly and masculine

What are the chances they'll remodel Aloy's face to look like this >>387152309 in a future title?

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>>387152414
>Western devs are desperate to prove that their games are too smart for attractive girls
>Overwatch
>game that has the hottest female characters west has ever produced

>>387150806
Concept art Aloy is cute.
I hate that devs now use face scan from actors for their characters. Just model the fucking face god dammit.

>>387153169
overwatch girls are shit.

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>>387152948
>somehow

>>387151505
fellow idort bros, how was this? Will I feel disappointment after putting 200 hours into BotW or do they feel different?

>>387153359
T-take that back.

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>>387153359
Go back to jerking off to K-on, ret/a/rd.

>>387150806
Only sonyshills justify that action. It's the same shit as ME Andromeda but somehow this >>387151931
>>387152091
was ok

>>387150806
>Its a /v/ and concept art post again
She looks fine, shes not supposed to look like a sexbomb supermodel like 2b.

>>387153406
You're right anon make up is a girls best friend.

>>387153359
i agree, are totally unfuckable

>>387150806
>we got CGI Tintin instead of this

>>387153572
Literally a chimp.

>>387153476
HZD isn't as varied in the things you can do in the world, like you will experiment like twice and that's it. It's a decent open world game but that's all it is.

>>387151505
I'm straight guy and I would fuck both Aloy and CD Link.

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>>387150806
Modern feminists have confused "strong" with "ugly"

aka in their twisted fucked up minds an attractive women cannot be a feminist or a strong female simply because she isn't ugly

which is ironic since feminism was built on women not being discriminated for having feminine qualities, now you have women discriminating against feminine qualities using feminism to justify their actions

>>387153047
Nah Overwatch post-launch has been a mess of SJW designs. Even their summer costumes are less revealing than their default ones. They hired SJW panels.

>>387151392
It's just boring. The graphics aren't that good and they could've made something special instead of generic everything vol 31231289. But thanks for not reading and making shit up.

>>387154181
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>387153729
>every character must have tons of sex appeal to me!
nah

>>387152971
Maybe you mistyped, isn't Phoebe the alien from Andromeda? The one who looks like Shrek?

>>387152964
So you prefer the shitty generic horribly modeled thing to that great concept art?

Whom?

>>387154356
No that's PB, Phoebe is the purple haired archer girl.

>>387154310
Who are you quoting?

>>387152242
did you tell your friend he was in a video game?

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Why don't western devs like making attractive females anymore?

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>>387154178
>Modern feminists
These sound like weasel words and generalizations to me. Do you have anyone in particular in mind? Or just a fabricated strawman of what you want to believe the modern feminist is like?

>>387154468
You
Alloy if anything is pretty boring looking, she has minimal make up and is flat. Ugly though? What the fuck do you consider average if Alloy is ugly or looks like a Chimp?
Please share.

>>387154669
because it makes fat trannies angry online

>>387152414
>Zarya
>SJW
Get the fuck out

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>>387154764
I posted Literally a chimp. You quoted something completely different, friend.

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>>387154932
Nah, you're just back pedaling and shitposting now.
Again, Alloy is pretty boring looking but doesnt look like a Chimp.
Please show me what you consider average so I can laugh at you for linking a model or actress in full makeup.

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>>387154870
You Blizzard shills have bigger problems than pretending not to be SJW sellouts.

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>>387154932
I notice you keep posting her making faces

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>>387154757
So you're argument is that modern feminists who use "feminism" as a pretense for their own insecurities don't exist?

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>>387155081
>Whiteknighting for your digital gf
loling @ ur life m8

>>387153962
Thanks for letting me know, anon.

>>387155584
I'm sorry, I don't remember making any arguments in my post. Could you keep things grounded?

Hey retards

Strong doesn't mean ugly as shit. You can be a strong woman and still be pretty and not look like a fucking cave troll like Aloy

>>387152414
>>387153116
>tfw western games will always have ugly girls because most girl gamers are ugly hamplanets who need to self-insert

I literally do not see guys complain about men being ripped as shit all the time in games. why do women complain all the fucking time about this then?

>>387156564
>why do women complain all the fucking time

This is what you actually mean.

>>387153476
Yeah, don't play it if you're coming in hot from Zelda. I played HZD weeks after over 100 hours of Zelda and was feeling the fatigue.

Came back 3 months later to give it another shot and enjoyed my time immensely. Release two open world sandboxes within 3 days of each other was a mistake.

>>387156564
Their insecure af

>>387150806
>it's another "/v/irgin doesn't understand the concept of concept art" episode

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>America makes strong woman look like an ugly fucking ogre and a dull personality
>Mediocre story and SJW bait at best
>Japan makes a strong woman look like a goddess and have great characterization
>Godlike story and considered masterpiece

Once again, Japan showing the West why their games are better. 2B is how strong female protagonists should be written

>>387156564
It's generally really insecure people who can't fathom the idea of something more attractive than they are being created by a man.

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>>387156452
That's disturbingly accurate

>>387156361
Strong doesn't mean as pretty as a model. You can be a strong woman and still be average looking and not look like a fucking beauty pageant contestant.

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>>387150806
>What went wrong?
Artists are generally left leaning.
Left leaning people are agreeable while the right leaning are disagreeable.
Basically when the feminist rolls into the room and says jump, the lefty artist will yell
>HOW HIGH

Because anything less would be considered misogyny you see.

>>387153962
How much of the "varied" activities in botw are actually fun/relevant vs "ok that was cool the first time and now I'll never do it again"?

>>387157062
>bizarre generalizations
>accompanying nonsequitor screencap of a literal who redditor
daring combo. this guy lives solely on anecdotes.

I mean....I think Aloy's fairly cute, not a bombshell for sure, but not so mannish as to get everyone's dicks in a knot about her being a boy.

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>>387152414
stop using cover art for faith you retarded fuck

>>387150806
why are you retards so obsessed with this game if you hate everything about it

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>>387156827
no you are just a retarded weeb

>>387156564
>I literally do not see guys complain about men being ripped as shit all the time in games

No, but you'll see /v/ complain instead about anime twinks.

>>387157890
Where do you think you are?

>>387158091
>95% of the games on the West side were flops

wew

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>>387158213

>>387152414
Developers don't sit around and say "let's make ugly characters". They make the characters that the designers gave them. And the designers made characters that they thought were good designs. This is not a difficult concept.

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>>387157491
>>bizarre generalizations
>#notall
Really cute.
>>accompanying nonsequitor screencap of a literal who redditor
I wasn't expecting any rebuttal to evidence of feminist mentality. It just is the way it is. You need not attempt to defend her.

>this guy lives solely on anecdotes.
Which part triggered you? I generally never get responses when i post that screencap. Was it the fact that it's irrefutable evidence of petty feminist envy? Or the generalization about artists being left leaning? Have you missed the thermonuclear explosive effect that the 2016 election results have had on the minds of leftists, specifically Hollywood?

>>387150806
>pretty
Loish can draw only deformed half-uguus, how is she even working for an actual company.

>>387157062
Cool story.

Now can you explain to me why every character should look like a greek goddess?

>>387158213
>Not a flop: Bamham, Bioshock Infinite, Borderlands 2, Heavenly Sword, Enslaved, L4D, Mass Effect, NOLF, Halo, Uncharted, Tomb Raider, Overwatch, Starcraft, Mirror's Edge, League of Legends
>Flop: Rage, VtMB, Remember Me, Alice
>Don't recognize: The bottom four and the one between VtMB and Mirror's Edge
Man, arguing on /v/ is like trying to explain to a brick wall why they can't go to Disney Land: Somewhat sad, mostly stupid, and entirely fruitless.

I honestly liked how Aloy looked. She looks like a cross between a pal of mine and a cute waitress at a cafe down the road from my place. It's weird reading you guys getting furious over how disgusting you think she looks when I don't really see any problem outside of some wonky facial animation and a bad child model. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

>>387158213

As opposed to the ones on the eastern side? A flop in the west is equivalent to a large success in the east. Kamiya was pissing his pants with glee the other day because Nier sold 2 million copies. FROM was doing the same over the nearly 3 million the Souls games sell. In the west those sales numbers are considered an enormous failure. Fucking Tomb Raider outsold Final Fantasy XV and yet Squeenix considered Tomb Raider a failure and FFXV a success because even they know you can't expect much from a Japanese game.

>>387150806
It's just the retarded hairstyle.

She can look pretty cute in certain outfits. The model they used to model her after is also pretty good looking.

>>387159248
>It's just the retarded hairstyle.

and a potatoface

>>387158363
Obviously they do, or why would they pay for a persons likeness only to turn it into an unholy abomination against god like Horizon?

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>>387158407
>explain to me why every character should look like a greek goddess?
>now i'll present to you a strawman

Whoa there, hold your horses. Nobody ever says that <all> female characters should be 11/10 perfect goddesses. Just that making them pretty and feminine means increased sales. Of course nobody sane would say that they would hate it if it were the case that starting tomorrow all playable female characters would be conventionally attractive. The people who would say otherwise would only be going for goodboy feminist points.

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>>387159571
Even Caesar looks better than her

>>387159571
So, if I understand you correctly, female character is a marketing tool first and an actual character later, and gaming would only get better if we return to mid-90s Lara Croft as a perfect female protagonist?

>>387159571
>Just that making them pretty and feminine means increased sales.

Except this is demonstrably not true because western man-face massively outsell Japanese same-face dolls.

Here's the thing /v/ just cannot seem to accept, the majority of the video game market does not consider the presence of attractive female characters to be a compelling reason to buy a game. They just don't. In some cases, e.g. Bayonetta, the market research showed that despite the gameplay being considered good the pornographic nature of the main character was so off putting that it actually hurt sales, not helped.

The world is not populated by horny, loner virgins. Accept it.

>>387152091
>>387151931
Bitch looks like Tintin

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>>387160452

>>387160520
Is that how you generally respond to people who are right?

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>>387160628
you must be a retarded fucker

>>387160670
You sure are mad for some reason

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>>387151303
>white girl
>diversity

>>387160520
She does

>>387160182
>So, if I understand you correctly are you saying that only a woman's beauty matters?

In a video game, yes. I'm not going to be cruel and say that it's true in real life as well, buuuut those older actresses who got to play older women in their 20's and early 30's aren't getting as many or any roles at all anymore. Sooooo.... you will get to draw your own conclusions.

>gaming would only get better if we return to mid-90s Lara Croft as a perfect female protagonist?

You do realize that the main difference between the reboot and earlier games was the character's attractiveness right?

>>387152309
Damn they sure fucked up

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>>387160758
you replayed to me you know what that means right

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how many times are you retards going to have this thread

>>387160985
That I typed words into a box and hit submit?

>>387160452
kek

>>387161101
Hide it, it's not hard

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>>387152414

>>387160401
What you don't seem to understand is that they could have those
>horny, loner virgins
money as well if they would make the characters attractive. Your viewpoint of the market being only driven by gameplay value goes both ways when it comes to main character levels of beauty. That's why i said that
>>387159571
>Of course nobody sane would say that they would hate it if it were the case that starting tomorrow all playable female characters would be conventionally attractive.

That's my point. They're losing the money they could have gained had they made female characters that aren't repulsive to look at.

>>387151931
Aloy looks like Aboy.

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top giggle

>>387161274
so you like doing the same shit over and over

>>387161369
>over and over
It only takes filtering it one time to never see it again

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>>387161346
at least it's not as bad as ND

>>387161369
Not me, I'm lurking why are you still here?

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>>387161439
ok let me go and let the retards play

>>387161507
At least those look female.

>>387161507
Yeah new Lara is not bad, New Lara3 when?

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>>387161594
I'm not seeing it

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>>387161507

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>>387161719
you are trying way to hard

I think this is all just a weird phase. The film industry isn't exactly going out of its way to cast ugly people.

Name a video game character who looks better in the game than they do in concept art/ fan artwork

You can't fucking do it

Everyone who's at least halfway genuine about their interest in art will eventually come to understand the importance of idealization, stylization and exaggeration in art. Even the great artists of old who knew and followed these principles and they used their knowledge of anatomy, perspective, color theory and their respective age's tool to distort and idealize to make appealing art. Note the "appealing".

And Loish, the artist behind the concept art is no exception to that as you can see in her Aloy pieces.

So that leaves only two conclusions to me:

Either, the modelers themselves are incompetent, which seems unlikely considering that the game does actually looks too good all around for this, or someone with a higher position or influence eventually went against the artistic vision for whatever reason. Maybe it was actually a political reason or maybe it was just the project leader letting his subjective opinion of beauty getting the better of him.

Bottom line is, the crass difference between concept art Aloy and model Aloy is more than likely the result of choices rather than incapability.

>>387161840
>man-chin central
Get some glasses, anon

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>>387161757
would've been nice if it was a game about Nate's daughter, I'm sure she would've ended up looking attractive when she's older with the help of Elena's genes

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>>387161915
you sound like a fucking retard

>>387161298
>Your viewpoint of the market being only driven by gameplay value goes both ways when it comes to main character levels of beauty.

No, there are indications that pandering can actually be off-putting and hurt your sales in the larger demographic regardless of how good the gameplay is. It's the opposite of the "But it has waifus!" effect that enables the weeb market to consider a shit game good just because of the presence of fapbait. The things that make the virgin loser weebs so happy makes others very uncomfortable and they'd rather not consume it.

>>387154757
>People can never point at obvious social trends!
>t. someone who posted a MGS image thinking that would add to his message instead of make him look childish for relating anything to that retarded plot.
Sometimes things are self-evident if you pull your head out of your ass and look around. Check out some articles on female character design, the vast majority of them are either A. going to be some feminist whining about impossible standards and sex fantasies (IE, wanting them to be uglier because they can't be both hot and empowering.), or B. someone whining about feminists who always make things about impossible standards and sex fantasies.

That's just the current state of the """conversation""" on this issue.

>>387161840
new Chloe looks like a man, anon

>>387160852
>In a video game, yes. I'm not going to be cruel and say that it's true in real life as well, buuuut those older actresses who got to play older women in their 20's and early 30's aren't getting as many or any roles at all anymore. Sooooo.... you will get to draw your own conclusions.
So instead of changing a trend of using women as free marketing, you're completely ok with state of things as it is, since it worked for past 100 years?

>You do realize that the main difference between the reboot and earlier games was the character's attractiveness right?
No. I'd say that new lara is conventionally attractive and whole game, as much as it pretends to be hip and feminist friendly, is still using lara's attractiveness as a selling point.
Still, it has more character development than original TR1.
Come to think of it, I struggle to name an unattractive main female character even in most left leaning games out there. Even in something as hated on /v/ as Life is Strange, fat girl relegated to a background character that has almost no impact on a story.

>>387162023
And you sound like a man-loving cuck

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>>387162090
what man looks like this

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>>387162249

>Amazon woman
>rail thin arms/legs/abdomen
>huge man jaw

>>387150806
Waaaaaahhh this girl isn't seexxyyy for meeeee.

You are pathetic

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>>387161869
It's going to pass, but we will have a few trainwrecks of female characters in the meantime. It's just so petty. Reminds me of highschool when a few ugly girls were yelling "WHORES" and "SLUTS" out the window and then ducking fast to not be seen by the pretty girls towards whom they had yelled.

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>>387150806
Ugly is deserve and deversity is just as important as gameplay, level design and graphics.

This is Sony's ethos.

Get used to it or fuck off, honestly.

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>>387162495

>>387153169
This skin makes my cock happy

>>387162393
>jojobrony
It all makes sense now

>>387162612
not an argument

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>>387151505
>putting a legendary franchise in a picture with some flavor of the month piece of shit Far Cry clone with a generic world in which nothing is interactive

At least it's not Nintendo who does this themselves but some autistic fan.

>>387162428
>explains that sex can lure people in, but it's bad gameplay that turns people off
What is with the misleading title?

>>387150806
It says a lot that 90% of HZD threads are about the main character's face and not the actual fucking game.

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>>387153359
Sucks to be you then.

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>>387162495
She is literally that South Park Photoshop uggu.

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>>387162662
looks like you are salty as fuck

>>387162662
>flavor of the month piece of shit Far Cry clone with a generic world in which nothing is interactive
You could've been talking about Breath of the Wild and I wouldn't of noticed.

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>>387162709
>nigger, nigger, lesbian, nigger, racemixer

Fuck off with this low skill ceiling SJW shit game for children, please.

Thanks.

>>387151931
Her kunt is either full of pussy smegma or constantly covered by scar from all the robot cock she secretly takes. Not going anywhere near that.

>>387162662
Yeah I agree the new Zelda is pretty generic, basically a Skyrim clone

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>>387162810
look at this mad retard

>>387150806
>>387151303
That's literally Emma Watson.

>>387162663

Its says it may attract a "certain demographic", not everyone.

It's actually referring to the study into the old adage "sex sells" for advertising. The ultimate conclusion of the study was it may be true for a small number of the market but it has the opposite effect for the majority.

>>387162768
>Sony
>that quick-wittedness
>that gif

Can you please just go back to NeoGAF already?

>>387162495
Jokes on you, I'd fuck tintin

>>387162493
>waah why people like sexy people?

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>>387162935
guy you look fucking sad

>>387162810
that black girl with the blonde wavy hair looks fucking delicious though

lioness when

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>>387162798
If you don't know the word interactive and if you ignore It's still one of the most watched games and iwll win most GotYs this year.

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>>387162810
are you really in any position to be picky, incel-kun

>>387162850
>>387162798
So, you don't know what interactive nor generic means.

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>>387163114
I have no idea what you mean by "incel" since I'm not underage.

>>387163016
Again, => Neogaf.

Or at least stay right here, seems to be the underage Sony boy containment thread.

>>387163080
whats the point of this webm

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>>387162027
>there are indications that pandering can actually be off-putting and hurt your sales in the larger demographic regardless of how good the gameplay is.
To ideologues, yes. To normal people, no. We're not talking about RapeLay here. We're talking about pretty women. Last i checked pretty women were still "in". When you added "regardless of how good the gameplay is" you went overboard.

>>387162117
>So instead of changing a trend
It's not a trend. It's biology. I trust you're not too far gone down the feminist rabbit hole to know what i'm talking about.

>Come to think of it, I struggle to name an unattractive main female character even in most left leaning games out there.
We're talking about Aloy here. There is your example. Politically influenced designs for the promotion of mediocrity under the guise of "realism".

>I'd say that new lara is conventionally attractive and whole game, as much as it pretends to be hip and feminist friendly, is still using lara's attractiveness as a selling point.
It's a far cry from what she used to be. This isn't usually said but a woman's looks are about 50% of what makes her attractive. The other 50% is the way she acts, moves around and talks. Picrelated.

>>387162810
>games should cater to ME ME ME ME MEEEEE
I thought /pol/tards supposed to hate millennials, not act as them.

>>387163248
so you have no argument ok

>>387162054
All I continue to see is a strawman with no substance to back up any claims. If it's as self-evident as you claim then it should be easy to produce facts or statistics that points that your stance is truthful. Make a solid claim then prove it.

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>>387163250
Showing that Zelda BotW is interactive and Horizon is not. Are you blind and retarded?

>>387163318
Yeah, I have no argument against "incel" and "you look sad", I'm sorry.

>>387158091
what is this image supposed to show

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>>387163402

>>387157491
There are literally scales that exist that confirm most artists as generally being on the left, right off the top of my head would be that of the "big five" personality traits, "openness" is positively correlated with liberal viewpoints and artistic tendencies, while it's negatively correlated with conservative viewpoints.

It's also a straight up fact that conservatives are much more likely to be more interested in quantitative reasoning solutions to their problems and care much more for stability and tradition while liberals are more often concerned with qualitative reasoning solutions and generally favor emotional appeals while striving to change things and make progress, which are traits much associated with artists who have jobs fucking oriented totally around translating emotions and feelings directly into images and are notorious as driving forces for social change.

And as I said, these are just two components of this shit right off the top of my head, but honestly I shouldn't have to come up with any points at all because someone shouldn't be as stubborn and retarded as you. Those aren't "bizarre generalizations" at all, they may be hyperbolic, but they're still ingrained in social fact.

>>387163412
that both are good and i want to fuck all of them

>>387163262
>To ideologues, yes. To normal people, no.

No. You're spending too much time in the 4chan bubble. In the real world not all men are perverted freaks and not everyone that doesn't like jerking it to underage fapbait is a SJW.

>>387163280
>millennials
You are, we are, stop using words you don't know

>>387154757
So you want to make us believe all those countless people on the media; news networks such as CNN or NBC, Hollywood stars, people in commercials and all those people on Youtube who talk about their imaginary brand of a "wage gap" and how men are oppressing women do not really exist? They're just people pretending, right?

I don't even know why I reply to you with that "epic red pill" picture that just makes it obvious you're underage and probably don't even know what the actual premise and thing was the game tried to criticize with that dialogue.

>>387163525
>underage fapbait
what

>>387150806
Not gonna lie, I would have play the game if it was going for that aesthetic.
That pseudo-realistic crap with actors faces being scanned is a real plague.

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>>387158091
>Japanese side has more blond hair/blue eyed women than the Western side

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>>387163429
Cool, there is one plant you can destroy (which literally causes glitches).

You can destroy absolutely everything in Zelda which was the ininitial point. BotW is more interactive than Horizon.

>>387163727
Cute, but I like more the sister on Bioshock2

>>387163824
>all those shadow and grass pop-ins
Why are Sony fans complaining about other games having that?

>>387163262
>It's not a trend. It's biology.
So it's biology that dictates you to be attracted to a standard of beauty that was set by a man ~50 years ago?

>We're talking about Aloy here. There is your example.
She's not ugly though. Average, but not ugly.

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>>387163824
>>387163908
posting shit thats from the not patched and not released yet

>>387162317
a tranny, yeah

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>>387158091
>Jinx

>>387163490
That line was in reference to "the lefty artist will yell HOW HIGH" bit, not the first part. lol.

>>387163727
Is this a fan model? It looks creepy.

>>387164040
>not released yet
Was gold

>>387153169
When did that happen? Mei looks like a fucking hamster. Zarya looks hyper manly. Sombra also looks retarded because of the generic sjw shaved head. Tracer is hyper dyke, I mean if you like girls who seem like they could be voiced by Michael Cera. Dva, Mercy, and Widow are the only okay ones.

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>>387164198
what are patches

>>387150806

>push for women in media
>basically make a man with tits

I like how Cameron did women, a huge element of Ripley and Connor is their motherhood.

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>>387164056
nope dont see it

>>387164251
And yet was gold

>>387163525
>>387163525
>perverted freaks
Holy smokes dude. This isn't 1850. People get annoyed at censorship of characters, there's a whole industry of glorified pseudo intellectuals making a living out of lambasting feminists and sjws online, anime is getting hundreds of millions of views and is having an increased presence in the west and so on and so forth.

>not everyone that doesn't like jerking it to underage fapbait is a SJW.
You mean drawings of prepubescent girls or "no really she's actually 18.000 years old"?
First thing i agree with you on, those are a bit weird. Still, better than them going out to get the real thing.

>>387152964

>Lets make it look like a generic tumblr dyke instead

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>>387164339
you are a retarded fuck

>>387162810
Look at the official Overwatch team members (aka the good guys)
>white american man
>white american man
>white german man
>white swedish manlet
>white swiss female
>white british female
>brown egyptian lady
oh no they have 1 brown person on the good guy team stop the presses

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>>387150806
Aloy? more like ABOY

>>387164413
And yet was gold

>>387164465
You stole my joke. I'm reporting you.

>>387150806
Holy crap she's cute.

>>387163946
I hate this fucking chicken and egg shit. There's nothing that suggests that greedy white CEO's and executives are the ones responsible for what we find attractive.

>>387164423
>good guys
read the script leak

>>387153503
M-mommy?

>>387163674
>"All those countless people on the media"
Let's take a look at the original claim, >>387154178:
>"aka in their twisted fucked up minds an attractive women cannot be a feminist or a strong female simply because she isn't ugly"
I must not watch enough TV because I don't see that viewpoint being a majority opinion anywhere. Are you people not reading reply chains? "Modern feminists" is quoted in reply to the original post's retarded generalization-- that the post is using the term incorrectly because that belief is not popular or widespread for modern feminists, certainly not enough to say the whole shebang believes it.

>>387163382
Literally go watch an Anita Sarkeesian video then you fucking retard.

OR, maybe check out these random scholarly articles and some stories I found within 5 minutes of reading your post (Included in a pastebin so 4chan doesn't think I'm trying to spam): https://pastebin.com/DER1SJnN

Translated, "Attractiveness is bad."

That good enough for you, you fake-intellectual faggot? Or are you just going to shove the goalposts like a weaselly little prick?

There is a clear and obvious agenda against attractive female characters in video games. Almost all the fucking literature on the topic revolves around that goddamn ideological point.

>>387152513
/thread

>>387164423
Reaper, McCree and Genji were all part of Overwatch too, albeit their covert ops wing of Blackwatch.

The problem is always the 3D, human faces in 3D are ugly, even when they try really hard.
2D > 3D

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>>387163946
>a standard of beauty that was set by a man ~50 years ago?
Picrelated is the answer to your question.
>She's not ugly though. Average, but not ugly.
Are you a woman?

>>387164576
Are you trying to deny that standards of beauty has changed over the years? Or that they are different in different cultures?

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If you guys really want to play with a cute girl, just dress up Link as a Gerudo woman with a feminine penis

>>387165135
im not gay

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just post

>>387165039
I'm saying they totally have changed and will continue to change and I'm denying that it's 100% the fault of marketing.

People like to pretend they're only considered unattractive because big companies made up the beauty standards all by themselves when it's more like an ever changing meme within society that companies choose the capitalize on.

>>387163382
are you 12?

>>387161945

>Drake is a hardened treasure hunter who has cannonically killed hundreds of fuckers
>Older Drake spent 2 decades in prison

Somehow they're bested by a much younger girl with allegedly the same experience as them, at the most.

I'm not against the concept of Nadine, but that shit is ridiculous.

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>>387165637
you didnt play the game right

>>387150806
Little known fact but the head developers for andromeda forced the designers to make the female mc ugly.

Unrelated but just interesting.

>>387165727
Cool story

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>>387165727

>>387165720

Huh. I remember the scene at the party with both Drakes vs Nadine, but it was only Nathan, now that I've rewatched it.

Well I made an ass of myself. Anyway, still find it ridiculous to see Nadine wipe the floor with Drake.

>>387164680
None of these abstracts support the original assertion that, "[modern feminists believe] an attractive women(sic) cannot be a feminist or a strong female simply because she isn't ugly."
Now you're stepping away from that assertion to a broader 'Modern feminists think attractiveness is bad' and you're trying to establish this by blurring attractiveness and sexualization together. These are NOT the same trait: A character can be attractive without being sexualized. I think you're being a little manipulative here by trying to sneak in that they are one and the same.

>>387164946
She's fatter than beauty standard was 20 years ago. Your point?

>Are you a woman?
Does one have to be a women to have a realistic view on average human?

>>387164413
>running into issues when playtime exceeds 200 hours
What happened when playtime exceeded 200 hours? Never followed the game

>>387161274
question, if I start using /v/ filters will It get the the point when /v/ is just a blank page?

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>this whole thread

People here are literally using subjective shit as arguments. Like holy shit. This place really is reaching new lows. You guys are just as bad as the extreme feminists.

Of course developers shouldn't create a characters based on some political shit. Aloy doesn't strike me as one. You are just confusing her with it because the haircut makes her look really fucking strange.

But not "we needed to make her strange" strange, that's just in your heads and you simply refuse to let go. If anything her face incredibly neutral looking. Horizon Zero Dawn itself was a mediocore boring game all the same.

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>>387166813
>Your point?
My point is that within certain measurements, beauty standards have not changed since forever.

>Does one have to be a women to have a realistic view on average human?
First of all, Aloy is nothing like the average woman. Unless you're using "average" as a politically influenced euphemism for ugly. Picrelated is the "average" woman.
Secondly, i asked if you were a woman because no men would ever say that Aloy is anything but ugly. And if they do, they're lying through their teeth.

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>>387167273
>You guys are just as bad as the extreme feminists.
Stopped reading there.

>>387150806
Where's her burka?

>>387166864
dont know didnt have that problem

>>387151303
Beauty standarts are sexist goyim
Now pay up.

>>387152309
WAIT
WHAT !?

>>387167715
>the remaining 10 percent will be used for breeding
this is my fetish

>>387167964
Would you take the gamble though? I don't like those odds

>>387150806
Tumbler art doesn't transition well to 3D much like it can't get it's shit together in 2D.

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How long until average looking people are the norm in Hollywood movies?

>>387168000
>don't be on the 10% saved
>get the sweet release of death from this mortal world
>be on the 10% saved
>be used the rest of my life as a breeding machine
it's a win/win situation

>>387168101
already are, where the fuck you been under a rock?
Andy Milonakis and Pauly Shore started it all on MTV. Since then it's been acceptable to be an uncouth piece of shit in Hollywood, then followed Seth Rogan and Jimmy Kimmel.

>>387168101
never. same with video games.

>>387150806
>>387151303
Loish did the concept art?

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>>387167479
No, this is ugly.

I've heard that porn and anime games makes beauty standarts retardedly high, but you're the first one to prove it.

You should really go outside sometime, anon.

>>387166715
Look, I'm going to break this conversation down for you: You thought you were going to be le smart and call someone out for using hyperbole while describing a very obvious and easy to understand concept (That feminists prefer women to be less attractive in general because it promotes realistic standards, and that on some level the game industry has begun to play ball with them.). For the record, I am not the guy that made the first comment in this conversation, I just thought you had a cunty attitude and were being purposefully obtuse and literal because you wanted to jerk yourself off and pretend to be an intellectual for a thread in a situation where it was totally unwarranted and in a way that was childish.

You're only still responding to me at this point because you've gotten blown the fuck out, and now you need to save face or else you'll be upset all day that someone rained on your parade. But I'm not going to swim through your mire of endless goal-post shoving and semantics, because frankly, that's a waste of my time and I know for sure you're too dug in now to be amenable to reason. That being said, you already know you were in the wrong, it's just going to take a bit before you stop being all defensive out of knee-jerk embarrassment. You'll work through that on your own but it will take a while.

To perhaps demonstrate how much of a cunt you're being, let's have a little exercise before I go though! Gonna reflect the kind of post you made back at you and see if you grasp why you're such an autistic pain in the ass.

You don't have any proof, just an opinion, and therefore it doesn't matter. You need to give me specific evidence that feminists agree with your point of view or else you're just making shit up. You don't have a single fact to back your opinion up.

>>387152309
>>387151303
I dont get it. Why does the face model look like Alloy in concept art, but ingame model looks like Ashley Burch?

>>387168841
Your 3000 word essay reminds me of a jellyfish. It's 95% water.

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>YOU LIKE ATTRACTIVE WOMEN AND THINK CHARACTERS IN IDEALIZED ENTERTAINMENT STORIES SHOULD BE ATTRACTIVE??? FUCKING MISOGYNIST FUCK!!!

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>>387168841
I didn't even have to do that much digging. The most dastardly feminazi of all made a video praising Jade from Beyond Good and Evil (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsu3YPOw50). I think a lot of people here would agree Jade is attractive. So bam, according to a notable(?) modern feminist, an attractive woman can be a strong female even though she is not ugly.
For the record I don't think Sarkeesian is a very good critic, but her views are pretty common. Here's an article about the video to corroborate that her views are accepted: https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/tropes-vs-women-positive-gaming-jade/

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Reasons for sexual censorship

1) Women

Women use sex as a bargaining tool. This is how it's always been. Women are physically weaker and mentally less capable on average than men. In a capitalistic society they will naturally be reliant on men for resources. Sexual gratification is a readily available good which women can trade in exchange for these resources.

If men are able to achieve sexual gratification with things like movies or video games or anything else besides a woman, women's sexual bargaining power is reduced. Therefore it is in women's interests, especially for unattractive women who can't easily compete with fictional characters, to suppress sexually gratifying media.

2) Religion

A few thousand years ago, some Jews got together and decided that recreational sex, eating ham, wearing two-fabric clothing, and having foreskin should be forbidden, and so conspired to pass off these things as mandates from a god.

At the time they had decent reasons for these, related to the hygiene and technology level of the day (no contraception, poor feeding habits for swine, etc...) but in a modern setting they're miserably outdated and lacking in logic. Nonetheless, the Jews responsible didn't build an expiration date into this scheme of theirs, so it's still going on far past the point of reason.


Do yourself a favor: stop being a sucker and stop regurgitating both groups' rhetoric. Don't even regurgitate mine. Think for yourself for once.

>>387150806
Never mind the face.
What the fuck is wrong with her skull?

>>387150806
It's not just Aloy, all the humans look uncanny valley in H:ZD.

>>387150806
Aloy is cute you piece of shit
also
cartoonish style=/=realistic style

>>387160452
Now that you mention it

>>387152964
>defending a garbage design just because someone used a word you don't like

>>387152414
The goal is to lower the average standards so that trannys and to recategorise trannies and legbeards as "fuckable".
For that they try to ruin Japanese games, by monopolising their localisation.
Don't let this happen! Buy games with hot girls in them. Keep the standard high!

>>387168512
>I've heard that porn and anime games makes beauty standarts retardedly high, but you're the first one to prove it.
I posted an image showing the realistic average and this is your response? Is average now "retardedly high beauty standards"?
Welp, i don't know what i expected from someone defending Aloy.

>>387151505
>this shit
>card sagas wars will never be a reality
abysswolf has been dead to me for a decade

>>387170278
>Women use sex as a bargaining tool.
Think it's more like their gender role. Or was their gender role. Just like men lost their protector&provider role women now lost their gatekeeper of sex gender role, and they're pissed.
When i say women i'm actually talking about feminists. I don't think normal, sane, non ugly women see drawings as competition. No sane male will see an attractive girl and think
>tsk, i'd rather hug my anime pillow

>>387159248
>It's just the retarded hairstyle.
Pretty fucking much.

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>>387171720
Because you can't judge average beauty by your picture.

>>387164381

Post a picture of a "generic Tumblr dyke" she resembles you buzzword spouting memer

>>387172326
>I don't think normal, sane, non ugly women see drawings as competition.

Have you never seen normal, average women criticize something for containing sexy female characters purely because it contains sexy female characters?

If not, here is an example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkM5H5O0zE4

Of course you can do the classic 'no true scotsman' thing and simply say that any example I give is of non-normal non-sane ugly women, but whatever

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>>387172912
Are you a staggering case of double think? That picture is LITERALLY the average. They took godknows how many pictures of women and superimposed them to create the average. I have to go sleep.

Good fucking luck dude. You're going to need it.

>>387174118
I literally put Aloy's face over Spaniard, and there is no difference.

>>387173936
>Have you never seen normal, average women criticize something for containing sexy female characters purely because it contains sexy female characters?
This commentary is frivolous vapid shit even for me, and i'm not the sharpest tool in the box. Okay maybe the dark red tank top girl is smarter. I'm typing this as i'm watching.

Okaydone. I didn't see any "criticism" for sexy female characters purely because it contains sexy female characters. At one point one of them even said she'd like to look like the anime girl. I honestly was expecting dumb feminist shit from reading your post, they were pretty chill.

Are you sure this was the video you wanted to show me? Doesn't matter, i'm off.