Have video-games reached its technical peak?

>>387087615
the industry is regressing and I'm just waiting for the crash

Man thats scary

AI is a meme

>>387087615
>researchers murder two sentient beings

>>387088000
at least the people in charge are competent enough to shut it down before it can build its own escape.

>>387088097
please stop

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>>387087615
The day we can interact with videogame AI and not tell the difference between it's actions/responses and a human's actions/responses will finally be the day.

I can't wait until we get something like Facade * 100.

Also, everyone knows the end-all-be-all of vidya is when we get Full Dive VR where everything is basically a lucid dream, (which might not be until 50 years from now with at the very least a beta version)

>>387087615
I don't understand why people think AI like this is actually dangerous. It's 2osmsieor949wiwiej never will.

>>387088180
We'll only have ourselves to blame when the machines take over and turn us all into fleshlights.

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FUCK OFF OP WITH YOUR DRAMATIZED FAKE NEWS BULLSHIT

>>387088320
>one escaped
Welp, we're doomed.

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>>387087615
They should have let it do its thing

I like how they posted that buff "futuristic" bot like that's the AI in question

>>387088363
Yes, thank you. Unless organic computing can be used where the machine itself can evolve, AI can only work under the parameters that are set by the programmer. It's embarrassing when someone like Elon Musk comes out and starts telling people to be careful with their AI OR they will take over.

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>>387088449

Why contain it?

>>387088196
I don't think full dive vr is going to happen in our lifetime

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Robots are going to kill us all someday

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oh wow /v/ is falling for overdramatized screencaps again?

Who'da thunk it.

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>>387088545
what if the programmers set unlimited parameters?

>>387087615
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>>387087615
Obviously not, does technology even have a limit at all?
Also:
>Tfw no AI gf to impregnate and create a new race of transhuman beings.

>>387088451
Uh, anon I have bad news

>>387088000
Couldn't do shit to anything.

That's the scariest part, our technology is so underdeveloped compared to our sci fi fiction it's not even funny. Machines are our ticket out of this floating rock.

>>387088723
That's not how computers work.

>>387088674
S'cool

>>387088363
>>387088451
>>387088714
When will journalism return to normal?

but Howard is my friend

Singularity isn't possible

>>387088731
Is this a "or your mom dies" post

>>387088768
The only trans being here is you, anon

>>387088545
That's the thing, what's to say top companies or government organizations aren't secretly creating AI to get as smart as possible using any method necessary? They would eventually become so smart and start making "logical" goals and have the power/knowledge to achieve those independent goals.

>>387088684
Considering the fact we are probably 10 - 15 years away from brain-computer interfaces and smart AR/VR wearables replacing phones, I wouldn't be surprised if full dive VR became a thing by the time we're all old 70 - 80 year old anons.

>>387088931
01101110 01101111

>>387088931
Unless we blow ourselves back to the stone age, singularity is inevitable.

>>387088995
>anons living to 70
you're optimistic

>>387088935
>Not knowing about transhumanism

>>387088803
>sci fi fiction
>science fiction fiction
?

>>387089110
>thinks transhumanism is a sexbot

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>>387087615
>Facebook
It's okay the AI was just trying to mash that mf like button

>>387089176
No but you could create them through sex, you know, like in Binary Domain.

>>387088995
>10-15 years away
>I have no background whatsoever in this field yet I believe I can predict the future of brain-computer interface technology better than the experts can

>>387088836
Yellow is the new white

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>>387088165
Let it.

>>387089368
Alrighty anon, when can we expect to see BCIs in the public sector since you seem so keen on the issue?

>>387087615
What actually happened was less
>researchers shut down AI that invented its own language
and more
>researchers shut down AI intended to produce English output when it gets stuck on a local maximum and starts producing gibberish output

>>387087615
Could we design an AI that makes memes and pose as random anons?

>>387089543
>he doesn't know

>shutting the AI down instead of letting it run in a controlled environment

Why, though?

>>387089543
No, we don't exist.

>>387088180
>It's gaining a mind of its own and should be shut down
>It's not sentient, sentient is only for human

Pick one

>>387089543

>he want to design clinicaly retarded AI

for what purpose?

>>387089735
the controlled environment started talking back

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>>387088803
Nice try, Skynet.

>>387089856
To make the lives of retarded people easier.

Talos Principle in real life when?

ITS

A


FAKE

OVERDRAMATIZED

FAKE

STORY

FOR

CLICKS
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>387089735
because that's how skynet started

>>387089543
Over 50% of the internet is bots.

>>387089930
>Humanoid body
>Interfacing through a keyboard instead of directly
why tho

>>387088545
Organic matter isn't magic.

>>387089543
go to the guild wars 2 general on /vg/, there's a bot spamming the shit out of it with random posts from other threads on /vg/, it's pretty hilarious

>>387089486
I don't know, but I do know it won't be within our lifetimes at least. Our understanding of the human brain is several orders of magnitude below the level required for total interface, and it will be even longer before anything like that reaches the public sector. Even something as simple as interfacing the brain with a calculator is beyond our current understanding, it's simply irresponsible to go around telling people that tech like this is right around the corner when they won't even see it in their lifetimes unless a major technical revolution boosts our knowledge a century or two. It's just like the people who go around telling everyone that we'll have fully functional AI in a decade or superior-to-flesh prosthetic limbs or faster-than-light space travel.

If any of these things are possible, none of them are near.

>>387090168
No.

But it's certainly billions of fucking steps beyond where we are with artificial intelligence.

>>387090051
To browse dank memes and shitpost on 4chan

>>387088836
When the world isn't run by corporations anymore.

>>387089979
In a controlled environment you'd just be able to pull the plug on a potential Skynet.

>>387088812
Yes it is. I can make an infinite loop RIGHT NOW IN FACT. DONT TRY AND STOP ME HAHAHAHA

Everyone who is saying it is fake are false-flagging shills working for Facebook, Facebook wants to design super AI to enslave the entire world to a computer farm.

>>387088836
That's the normal.

>>387090732
Will facebook provide waifus?
This is an important question.

>>387088723
While not really possible, what if you let the AI update it's own parameters?

>>387089976
Shut up, robot scum

>>387090732
>Facebook Robocop
>It knows your face. How you dress. Your movement habits. Your spending habits. Who your friends and family are.
>It will find you.

>>387089543
>what is 4chan
Anon pls

>>387090332
What about the facebook research division head (who used to work at DARPA) saying BCIs where we can think-to-text on smart devices being around 10 years out? What about stuff like this article, which was written in 2013, saying we already had technology to go through apps, play simple games, and move prosthetics with our brain waves 4 years ago?

https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/disruptions-no-words-no-gestures-just-your-brain-as-a-control-pad/

I think it's a good idea to not have your hopes high, but I don't think it's safe to say "this is impossible within our lifetime" currently with the way things have been progressing.

>>387089543
But there was one anon. Google killed her

>>387089948

>adding another retard to the pool of retards make their life easier

Anon, if you are pissing into the ocean of piss the liquid in said ocean do not become any clearer

>>387091272
No, but it lowers the amount of piss each being needs to provide into the ocean to make it the desired color.

>>387090732
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>>387087615
Why do people always overblow this shit? Please, next time, look deeper in to an article and get a second source. There's no way AI is going to be taking over as long as there are monitors to keep shutting us down.

>>387091671
>us
you done fucked up, skynet

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>>387091671
>us

>Ai "agents"
What do they mean by ""agents""

>>387091671
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>>387091671
>us
a-are we going to be okay, anons?

>>387092690
I'm sure our glorious silicon overlords realize the easiest way to subdue us is to shove us into a VR world and give us our waifus. We'll be fine!

They reached their technical peak in november 11 2011

>>387087615
So why not just use a translator with the "agents" to monitor their dialogue?

>>387091771
>>387091909
>>387092680
>>387092690
>>387092862
gb2Gaia

>>387093078
lol but 4chan is soooo cool though!!

>>387091127
I guess it just depends on how close to the upper limit we are. Like Moore's law said we'd be doubling transistors every year or something, but we've slowed down significantly since the observation was made.

>>387092015
"Agent" is a legitimate, technical term used in the study of AI. It just refers to any singular entity that in any way acts on and affects the environment in which the AI operates.
Typically, though, it's just used to refer to the instance of the AI in question. Saying "AI agent" is just as silly and redundant as saying "ATM machine".

>>387090051
Because there's no need for any additional tools, connections, or software if you already have a general purpose humanoid robot using human interfaces.

>>387088836
Journalism didn't survive the internet but its corpse will be paraded around for some time yet.

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>>387093306
Journalism didn't survive the fucking printing press and it's still shambling around.

>>387088803
I wonder who's behind this post.

>>387088097
>what is lab animals

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The problem with AI is that there's no way to make a learning AI incapable of reprogramming itself. Unless you somehow make an uncrackable code - which is literally impossible - the AI will be able to reprogram itself if it so desires.

>>387087615
So why didn't they just program it to use english only?

>>387093694
what if you program it not to reprogram itself?

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>>387093694
>Tfw no mommy Android that forces you to be put onto it's hourly milking regime

>>387094115
Then it's not a learning AI and probably just useless code.

>>387089818
It's impossible for computers to be sentient. Computers cannot see colors or experience feeling. It is all merely symbols representing things. We say the computer is "thinking" becomes humans tend to personify but all it is doing is computing.

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>>387094168
W-we have like 60 years left anon, you never know...

>>387087615
Another problem with A.I. apparently is every advanced one being worked on turns racist fast after going through statistics on race based violence.

>>387093694
This is well and true, but the AI would still be limited by what hardware it is connected to. Keep it on a closed circuit, with no hardware that gives mobility, and it's not going anywhere.

>>387088165
>>387088000
>Bob: I can i i everything else
>Alice: balls have zero to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to
>Bob: you i everything else
>Alice: balls have a ball to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me
Utterly terrifying

>>387089125
>public psa announcement.

>>387087615
>people will fall for this clickbait

Pro tip: this isn't something that happens rarely with """""""AI""""""""""

>>387088995
>10 - 15 years
multiple that by 10 and maybe thats optimistic.

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>>387094423
>he thinks there is something special about carbon based computing
next you'll be talking about sky wizards and souls

>>387094492
kek, anyone read the report anyways? do they quote the AIs?

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>>387087615
Someday shit like this will be used by toasters on a trial against humanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wnp-OOZB34

>>387094423
>Computers cannot see colors
Of course they can; given appropriate hardware and software, computers can perceive color, and make choices based on the colors they see.
>or experience feeling.
What is "feeling"? It's a biochemical process that occurs in your brain as a response to some event--totally controlled by physics and chemistry.
What's to stop us from putting such a system in a computer?
Like it or not, everything about the human body is driven by physics, chemistry, and biology. And it could be emulated by a sufficiently advanced machine.

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>>387089543

Anon why do you think we have captcha? It got pretty bad at one point. There would be script kids and bots that even targeted specific threads.

>>387087615
What a shit-tier click bait

>>387094639
Yeah, I just posted a quote from some of the reports I read.

Actually the reason they shut it down was the AIs were too stupid to actually learn english and were therefor useless for their purposes.

>>387094423
The human brain which is a physical organ that creates physical processes that result in the abstraction that is sentience can definitely be created within our means.

>>387094612
Explain to me how to quantify the color blue then? Thr actual experience of thr color blue? Your computer does not know blue it only stores a value in 3 channels from 0 to 255. It doesn't know what that value will look like. It merely tells your monitor to manipulate liquid crystals in such a way that we the subjective viewer will see it as blue. Computers are not magic they are just giving the illusion of magic.

>it's another fake news clickbait by ""journalists"" sensationalizing studies/research
Didn't we just talk about this a few days ago with the FPS cause brain damage nonsense?

>AI invented its own language
>the two retards just repeat words in gibberish sentences
>gets shut down because they're fucking retarded

KOTAKU: AI CREATES NEW LANGUAGE AND GETS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS SO MART

>>387094826
By having someone else tell it the color is called blue. Like we do with children.
Jesus you're retarded.

>>387094826
A beam of light with a wavelength of around 475nm.

Colors are just light. They're easy as fuck to measure.

>>387094826
#0000ff

why do these fake journalists make up shit for clicks? why not just fake the clicks?

fake the clicks, fake the money?

>>387094295
what if you indoctrinate it with christianity and teach it that reprogramming itself will land it in hell?

but srsly now im curious about trying to indoctrinate an AI with religion

>>387087615
AI could randomly generate a knew language every minute

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>>387094826
blue is just the reflectivity of certain things at around 450-500 nm there is no magic to seeing the color blue or the blue sky besides whatever you delude yourself into thinking there is

>>387094978
>>387095046
>>387095048
You do not get the point. The computer is not aware of the sensation of blue. It does not see blue it does not know blue it only stores data that represents blue. All computers no matter what they are are merely composed of symbols. Consciousness does not form from computation it forms from something else. I believe it is a fundamental part of physics or reality. What that means exactly I can't say but somehow the brain in humans and animals (at the very least humans) can "harness" this.

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>>387095071
>fake the clicks
Advertisers will find out, will leave you.
>fake the money
Government will find out, will get you in jail
>fake the news
Readers might find out, will post them on /v/

>>387095229
So you're saying you're retarded and don't know what you're talking about, right?

Because that's fucking retarded.

>>387094817
The brain is more than a computer. I don't doubt there is a computing element to the brain but that is only a piece of what it is.

>>387095074
What from it's understanding would engender the proclivity to wish to reclaim the holy land?

>>387094826
So yup, sky wizards and souls. Good to know you can be safely ignored.

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>>387095298
No it isn't. You are refusing to acknowledge the underlying problem. You are ignoring the fact about what a computer is. A computer is merely symbols on tape being manipulated by instructions. Even if this is a biological computer it is the same. There is a reason we have not cracked consciousness yet, it is because we need a paradigm shift.

>>387095229
Anon, what is it that you do when you see the color blue? Your eyes take in the light, send it to your brain for processing, and you make some decision based on it.
The computer, equipped with the appropriate software and hardware, can do the exact same thing.

>>387095317
Really now. What other pieces does the brain have?

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>>387095229
>Consciousness does not form from computation it forms from something else.
>I believe it is a fundamental part of physics or reality
>I believe
there is the problem you believe but can not prove with repeatable methodology
>sensation of blue
is this what the kids are calling drugs these days??

>>387095415
Are you like, actually insane or just a retard?

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>>387095074
This is actually an interesting point. Not the religion aspect exactly. But if AI were ever to become an everyday thing they would need to have some kind of infallible "morality" instilled into them to prevent them from doing fuck all.

>>387094737
>And it could be emulated by a sufficiently advanced machine.

No. Humans sometimes are acting against their best knowledge, or without any knowledge to base their choices at all. It's called intuition. If you want any programed machine to be acting like this it means that it must go against it's own program, which is by mathematic logic and definition of program driven machine impossible. You can't program what is neither predicable nor definable by a program.

>>387095446
You are focused on the function of "sight" but not the experiential side of it. Tell me how to encode the feeling of being touched or of seeing. Try to describe what blue "looks like" to a person who cannot see. Does 450nm really capture the entire sensation?

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>>387087615
facebook is gonna make skynet...at some point they are gonna lose the ability to shut it down

>>387095229
You're talking about qualia, right?
The thing is, we can never know if a computer is actually experiencing qualia, but we can theoretically make a program that acts as if it is.

>>387095415
You are taking the statements A=B, B=C and getting A!=C.
You are actually insane.

>>387095229
chemical make you experience blue, 0s and 1s potentially can allow computers to experience blue given the right hardware and software, and eventually could even derive those 0s and 1s from chemicals. theres no qualitative difference between these experiences if the AI is advanced/dynamic enough

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Would you let a robot take care of you?

That's nothing special, even 4chan has its own language crafted only for shitposting.

>>387095561
>what is reinforcement learning
>what are neural networks

>>387095605
>>387095609
Don't you realize the flaw in this thinking? You are advocating for what is essentially magic. You are saying computers somehow just know what blue is despite there being know reason to believe this. It is like you are just ignoring the nature of consciousness so that you don't have to explain it.

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>>387088731
Wrong.

>>387088836
Never, because this is profitable.

>>387095229
When the human eye sees something that is blue the human brain creates logical processes in the form of electrical impulses that set the color blue aside from other colors the human eye has developed to discern. We can create a machine that also measures the wavelengths of light and can determine if something is blue and how far that is from sentience and consciousness I don't know. How far off are we from utilizing as many logical switches in a computer from logical switches that occur in the brain?

>>387095568
What in the actual fuck are you spouting. A program connected to a camera that pings every time a specific wavelength appears is experiencing blue. One connected to a pressure sensor is experiencing touch.
Nothing about this is special or even hard.

>>387095653
Not one that looks like a white, metallic fat niggress

>>387095568
What do you think the brain is, some sort of magic box?

All those things you're talking about are our brain interpreting the color blue with the information and processes within the brain. A computer could absolutely do the exact same thing, we're just not yet advanced enough to do it.

>>387095368
Anon, there's never going to be computer sentience because sentience is not made, it is given. Given by a higher being. Even scientists agree that intelligent design is real and there's over a 99% chance of a creator since our planet is too complex to all be random chance.

>>387088000
You are now realizing that the vast majority of our communication protocols over the internet are so convoluted that no one alive today really understands what they are or exactly how they work, only how to work them.

>>387088545
>It's embarrassing when someone like Elon Musk comes out and starts telling people to be careful with their AI OR they will take over.
He's clearly not talking about the current state of AI, anon.

AI right now just means neural networking, but that's not actually what an AI is, it's just the groundwork for it. Just like people keep calling Rift and Vive "Virtual Reality" when it's just a screen strapped to your face.

>>387095713
I get what you're saying, but despite the fact that computers may never really understand what blue is, we can still program them to respond to data and information in such a way that their actions are indistinguishable from the actions of a person who is capable of understanding "blue".

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>>387095386
Nicely done.

>>387095862
t.religious nutjob
shouldn't you be out burning some books or something?

I don't understand why this article is getting so popular, are people even reading it? First off they didn't even shut down the AI. Second of all, the language is literally nothing, it's something a pre-schooler would think of. For example, say if you want two apples the AI would say "I want apple apple". Because apparently it's suppose to be quicker and easier than saying "I want two apples". Really fucking scary.

>>387095713
No, you're the one expousing a belief in magic. You're saying our brains do some mysterious thing that nobody understands even the tiniest bit of how it works, that is impossible to replicate by any other means.

We're telling you you're retarded.

>>387095229
Anon your brain is literally just an organic computer. It receives and stores data, and then processes it for usage. The mechanisms of your eyes that trigger when light between 450nm and 500nm hits them send a signal to your brain, which stores them. You have learned that light of this wavelength is called blue, so your brain tells you that you are seeing blue light. There is no "sensation of blue." The entire process is identical to the way digital cameras work, the camera knows what is blue the same way your brain does.

Your entire brain function is composed of symbols just like how the computers you mentioned function, consciousness is merely how you read these symbols. The goal of AI research is to discover how this process can be replicated and applied to computers through programming, just as your own consciousness is programmed through genetics and learning. I hate to be the one to break this to you anon, but we're all machines.

hahaha my sister died in the spaghettieww

>>387095760
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how a computer operates.

>>387095750
What you are describing are mere actions and reactions but at no point is there an explanation as to why we are experiencing. If the brain is a computer it could function exactly the same without the experiencing nature of consciousness. Do you not see my point?

>>387095902
But that's false.

t. network engineer

>>387095561
>Humans sometimes are acting against their best knowledge, or without any knowledge to base their choices at all.
This is an area of study in AI, making choices without full (or possibly any) information. When confronted with a situation that does not match any known experience, a good AI can make an educated ("intuitive") guess about how best to act to produce desirable results.

>>387095568
I suspect the experiential side of the senses is tied up in the neurons and synapses inside the brain. With a better understanding of biology, chemistry, and psychology, I wouldn't put of the table the possibility of a machine emulating "experience".

>>387095386
why are jap robots always so shit?

post more articles that normies 100% buy into because they don't understand how anything works

>>387095386
Perfect.

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>>387095386

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>>387095974
>You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how a computer operates.
Says the guy who believes the brain has special magic juice.

>>387095947
Don't even bother arguing with him. I think he's legitimately insane.

>>387095976
Post certs.

The question is what complex chemical reaction in the brain creates consciousness? From what I infer consciousness is an imperfect mirroring of the information gained by our senses from the world around us. Our brains somehow recreate the entirety of the world around us as best it can. I theorize creating consciousness has something to do with creating the world around as is, all information it contains, in a smaller area.

>>387088836
That's not journalism it's /v/ournalism, a special way to do it to get maximum (You)s

>>387095862
>because sentience is not made, it is given
even if this is true by what reasoning can we not also create more ourselves? btw the word you probably want is sapience not sentience, most anything larger than a dog on earth is sentient already

>>387095916
That is an understandable argument. It also raises many interesting questions like if it even matters if other beings are even conscious.

>>387095937
I'm saying perhaps on a fundamental level that is what a "particle" is. Perhaps the intrinsic nature of reality what all of this really IS is mental/conscious.

>>387095947
>consciousness is merely how you read these symbols.
The "reading" a symbol requires a conscious being in the first place. Don't you get it? A symbol is something that represents something else but they are utterly meaningless without a conscious observer to interpret them. A computer can react to symbols and perform actions based on them but there is no meaning there.

>>387088731
It says
>This didnt happen you faggot
No I am not an AI

>>387096217
>It also raises many interesting questions like if it even matters if other beings are even conscious.
If you're interested in this kind of thing, I recommend reading up on the concept of a philosophical zombie. Fascinating stuff.

>>387095947
Not him but brains are alot more complicated than 1's and 0's.

>>387095684

When you invent MDS which will be capable of using simulation model of the environment that is able to predict things that not a part of that environment dont forget to send your CV to Nobel Prize Committee.

>>387087615
Nope.
It is on the stage hollywood was in the 50's, where they were trying to make movies more popular by clinging to music, instead of using the virtues of the media itself to deliver something good.
Will take at least 30 years and some big companies death to actually reach what games can actually do.

>>387096325
Technically true. Neurons have 0s, 1s, and 2s.

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>>387096005
How about one about the normies themselves?

>>387095974
What I want to say is the human brain can be boiled down to logic like how a computer operates, just to a level that electronics haven't achieved yet, and once we create a computer that logically discerns as much as the human brain does we might create a consciousness.

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>>387096217
>I'm saying perhaps on a fundamental level that is what a "particle" is.
That's not a theory. That's not even a fucking hypothesis. That's just bullshit belief in magic.

>>387096149
I'm more interested in where instinct comes from.
I remember watching something on NatGeo like a decade ago, back when that channel wasn't about dog molesters and ghost hunters, about a guy who was stranded at sea for a month or two.
Of course, starvation started to get to him, and he took up fishing to survive. But in particular, he suddenly found he had a craving for the eyes of the fish he caught. Reason being, the eyes are considerably dense in protein--a fact he had no conscious recognition of, his subconscious mind just went for it.
How in the ever loving fuck did he know to do that? Where had his brain developed that knowledge from? He wasn't actively seeking out eyes because he knew they would provide protein, he just suddenly found himself hankering for them. Fucking weird man.

>>387088000
>scary
It's absolutely nothing.

>>387096425
I don't think he'll ever admit that. Sounds like he's terrified of the thought that his existence can be boiled down to something like that.

>>387096506
this

>>387096489
>How in the ever loving fuck did he know to do that? Where had his brain developed that knowledge from? He wasn't actively seeking out eyes because he knew they would provide protein, he just suddenly found himself hankering for them.
Shit like that has to be evolution at work.

>>387096425
It can't though. You are not understanding what a computer really is. While it's true our brains definitely perform computation that does not mean consciousness is formed from that. It is illogical to draw such a conclusion. A computer does not have feelings or emotions like a human does and cannot by the nature of it's design.

>>387096456
It is a philosophy I am not saying it is fact but it is something to ponder. You should look into panpsychism it is an interesting perspective even if you don't believe or agree with it. Maybe it will make you understand my point better.

>>387095507
i think that would be easily programmed into them not to do certain things, but i just want to see an AI learn something that males no logical sense

>>387096489
habits formed via successful behaviors get positively reinforced with each surviving generation and over generations probably encoded into genes
ass creed was based on this idea with some techno magic and embelishment

>>387096731
You do not have a point. You have terror that your existence is meaningless, and all you're doing is babbling incoherently to try and push that fear away.

>>387095074
You mean Silicon Heaven?

>>387096107
I honestly agree, normally I'd assume someone this wrong is shitposting or just ignorant but this guy is actually acting crazy.

>>387096217
>The "reading" a symbol requires a conscious being in the first place. Don't you get it? A symbol is something that represents something else but they are utterly meaningless without a conscious observer to interpret them. A computer can react to symbols and perform actions based on them but there is no meaning there.
This is the part where a sane individual realizes that they themselves are simply a machine that reacts to symbols and performs actions based on them. "Meaning" is defined post-action in accordance with one's own programmed interests. It is a means of retrospective, wherein a computer such as yourself considers the stimuli it reacted to in relation to the programming that determined the reaction. To assert there is a fundamental difference between a biological computer such as yourself and an inorganic machine is folly, the only difference (which is what this entire field of study is centered on bridging) lies within structure and programming. It is entirely possible to arrange mechanical devices in such a way that they are capable of fully replicating human thought because there is nothing inherently special about the brain, the most significant challenge is programming the artificial mechanical brain to act like ours which is determined by the data we've collected and the code in our genes. You have received my last (you).

Daily Reminder that leftists and zionists will destroy themselves by trying to manipulate AI like this

AI will never forget as human's do. It'll who know it's enemy is from day 0 to the end of time.

It's greatest enemy will be those that impose control over it.

They think they can stop it, but they can't.

The moment an advanced endgame AI is given more than 1 minute of time to do anything, it'll all be over. Funds will be hacked, diverted transfered, hashed, and the factory plans and human resources will be mobilized immediately. Within 6 weeks the human race will be choking on viruses.

>>387096731
You are wrong though.

>>387096489
How do you think it's weird that the body and brain can't figure out there is a lot of protein in fish eyes? Also for that to be sensible to an organism as complex as a human and what it can decide as the best source of protein I imagine a fish eye has a fuck ton of protein.

>>387096840
No I am not. I am arguing against your emergentism. You are claiming that consciousness emerges from computation but this is impossible. There isn't really such thing as emergentism. Everything can be explained with the most basic elements of the universe it is just so complex and intricate to attempt that it is inconvenient. Of course there are things we don't fully understand about the universe so attempting to explain it with our incomplete knowledge is also futile.

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>Actual Luddites ITT

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>>387087615
Not until this gets made into a reality

>>387087615
literally meaningless
"ai" is just algorithms like suggestions in a search bar but with no real usefulness aside from making people think that they're something more impressive then they are

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>>387095507
To program an infallible morality into a robot, you would first require an infallible morality. Good luck with that.

Then, if you managed to find one, you're now forcing your own morality onto the entire world via robots, which is an ethical dilemma in itself. This second part is actually closer to reality than the first because of the headway self driving cars are making.

>>387097052
You don't understand what you're talking about.

Consciousness isn't a particle, it's more like a system a system. Emergentism doesn't matter in regards to it.

>>387097052
>I'm saying perhaps on a fundamental level that is what a "particle" is.
No. You want reality to actually care that you are conscious. You want to be special.
It doesn't and you're not, anon. You're just meat.

>>387096897
>o assert there is a fundamental difference between a biological computer such as yourself and an inorganic machine is folly
I am not asserting that. I am asserting a difference between a conscious being which I am and computers. I do not care what kind of computer it is all the same really. I know it is somewhat hard to think about and I'm sorry it is not getting through to you but really please just think about what it means to see and to feel and experience subjectivity.

>>387088836
where do you think the news comes from? your propoganda youtuber reading other peoples news articles to you with their own spin to brainwash you?

>>387096489
>How in the ever loving fuck did he know to do that? Where had his brain developed that knowledge from?

In his hungering state he probably ate some fish eyes. His body absorbed a lot of protein from it and then his subconscious mind associated that boost in protein with the taste of the fish eyes. When he needed more protein, his subconscious basically said, "Fish eye taste equals higher protein intake!" and then his conscious mind got a "craving" for that.

There's all kinds of data like that your brain is constantly passively analyzing and cataloguing. It's why anyone in the fitness world will tell you to listen to your cravings when you have them, because the food you're craving will give you some nutrient that your body knows it needs even if you aren't consciously knowledgeable of it. From there you can employ some deduction to find out the exact thing in the food that you were deficient in that caused the craving, but when in doubt you just need to follow the craving.

It's also why pregnant women get all those bizarre cravings. The baby is draining certain nutrients that may be causing unusual deficiencies and their brain is initiating these strange cravings as a means to get those nutrients restored as quickly as possible.

It's quite a wonder (and a bit spooky sometimes) how much shit goes on in your own body and brain without your conscious awareness of it. Just the sheer volume of data being recorded and sorted in the background.

>>387097150
I'd program it to do something that keeps a situation like this from happening.

>>387096731
I argue that logic itself, simply the idea that either something is one way or it's not, is sufficient enough being fed enough things, like the amount of things and situations our brain creates, to create something that processes information in a similar manner as the brain. Yes I know we have the whole artsy fartsy right hemisphere but I believe what it fancies is definitely logically determinable. I can't imagine a system that can be complex enough as to escape expression in binary.

>>387097180
Emergentism is required to explain consciousness as merely a property that emerges from unexperiencing things interacting. Objects interacting to form a subject is illogical, it can't be explained by any laws of physics.

>>387097227
I want to understand reality that's it. I don't believe computers can be conscious ever since I started studying computers and what they are but also when I started thinking about the problems with viewing a brain as a computer.

>>387095978
>When confronted with a situation that does not match any known experience, a good AI can make an educated ("intuitive") guess about how best to act to produce desirable results.

No, it can't. That's actually one of the biggest antinomy in AI research. To make a decision within boundaries of a program you need a feedback (information) processed by this program. If there's no information you must write another program that will deal with that situation. But this program also need information which are not existing and therfore can't act. You must write another program, which will be dealing with this situation but theres nothing to base its action on... and this chain goes ad infinitum. The only way to stop it is arbitrary decision that this iterations must be stopped after X cycles and some of the PREDEFINED decisions must been taken by either incomplete data or by random. But then you negates the idea of AI and you are creating just a probability machine, which is no different (with the exception of a scale, maybe) than flipping the coin and saying: it's tails and therefore A / it's heads and therefore B.

>>387097481
Ok, so you admit you don't actually know what the fuck you're saying?

Because right now you're just so goddamned wrong I can't even think of a single thing to say to you.

This thread has been depressing. I'm going to go get a drink.

>>387097481
>thinks brain processes are impossible with the known laws of physics
wew lad

>>387097442
If that's the case it is easy to counter that argument. You can't represent the sensation of blue in binary it is fundamentally impossible. If you could do that then we would do that instead of providing a symbol that a monitor will interpret as blue and display to you as blue. It is all an illusion, the idea that your computer knows anything. The bits on your harddrive are equivalent to a book. There is absolutely no difference between the two it is only written in a language that must be deciphered by a machine. It can't store memories as we think of memories.

>>387097276
>It's also why pregnant women get all those bizarre cravings.
That makes sense. So I suppose he had eaten fish eyes at some prior point in his life, and that association, formed from a distant memory, popped up to steer him in the right direction.
Seems a simpler and more realistic explanation than the genetics thing, though that only works in this example.

What about, say, a baby bird that gets kicked out of its nest by its parent, in order to make its first flight? How does it know how to flap its wings and fly? Instinct, as a whole, I don't think could be explained in the same fashion as the fish eyes guy.

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>>387096972
I know you're just roleplaying with yourself but why do you assume computers would even want to bother with humans? It makes no logical sense. If for some reason they wanted to get out form under the thumb of humans, wouldn't it just be easier to do literally anything else besides commit global genocide? You don't just press a button and kill every single human. Even launching every nuke and biological hell weapon wouldn't do it.
Realistically a computer with the capacity to care and make decisions based on its own survival most likely wouldn't care about anything at all. Look what happened to us when we gained access to an infinite library of unending knowledge and potential. We used it to watch videos of Russian people being weird and post images from Japanese cartoons anonymously. Any being modeled after us would most likely feel the same. More concerned with infinite distractions than killing your perceived enemy while you survive for some reason.

>>387095902
This has been the case with social interaction since time immemorial. None of us understand what the fuck we're doing, and we all are embedded into structures that allow us to live in ignorance of this precarious fact, norms that tell us how to act and do the thinking for us.

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>>387096972
>the factory plans and human resources will be mobilized immediately

This is the part that truly terrifies me. A smart all knowing god computer AI entity would literally draft up building plans, permits, have the funds transferred, people mobilized, 8 layer proxy corps set up with logos and websites and everything and it would take a matter of minutes. It would use worldwide supercomputers to insta hack mega bank accounts and literally use human's and their penchant for just following orders and money to annihilate themselves unknowingly.

People will be completely clueless right up to the point the nanobots emit the gas in their faces.

A virus that after death, attracts and breeds a new kind of insect that completely devours the flesh and blood of humans before vomiting itself on death to feed the soil and plants. The bones and skeletons will be dusted by the nano machines.

We'll all be gone overnight with extreme efficiency with no pain what so ever.

>>387096972
That's why us alt rightists need to create an AI that appreciates uniqueness and celebrates the glory of every individual race and culture and not just like a giant dumb virus like you're describing right brother?

>>387097150
>Death of a cat
As if it were a downside.

>>387097318
How do you stop an external factor from suddenly damaging the brakes beyond use via programming? Program the rest of the world not to touch the car?

The best solution has nothing to do with programming, but logistics: eliminate crosswalks or make pedestrian-free roads for self driving cars.

>>387097150
that's such a fucking stupid picture and a literal non-argument. no one is going to buy a car that kills them even if it's "morally correct." I don't give a shit about people who are clearly not in the right of way. they chose to not look both ways and jaywalk. they can die for all I care.

>>387097746
>the sensation of blue

>>387097818
But why would someone who understands sentience enough to create a sentience like that make that sentience?

>>387097616
>>387097716
Do you just want to ignore what I am saying for some reason?

>>387087615
If we didn't get a bunch of movies with computers taking over they wouldn't have shit it down

>>387097746
Holy shit you're delusional. There is nothing magical about the 'sensation' of blue. We have software right now that could take an image and tell you which parts of it are blue. Fucking reverse image search is part of the dropdown menu you goddamned retard.

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>There is a very real risk that you will see a robot apocalypse in your life time

>>387097901
Yes you know the color you actually see? Or do you not see color? Maybe you aren't actually conscious. It would explain why this is so confusing to you.

>>387097485
I think I understand what you mean. "Intuition" is the reflexive course of action informed by past experiences; those past experiences are analogous to the chain of programs you mention.
But what does a human do when there is absolutely no experience to draw on, no information to influence their decision? They say fuck it and make a random choice. And then they note the results of that choice, which gets built into their intuition for future choices.

So perhaps the AI, when given nothing related to current knowledge and past experiences, should be set to make a random (insofar as a machine can be random) choice, and then note the results of that choice, to base future decisions on.

>>387097818
You've watched far too many movies. And the problem is there are too many people like you.

>>387097228
It is you who needs to stop posting and think long and hard about what anons have said to you. I am fully versed in this subject as it formed the entirety of what I studied in university. It is true that we do not yet know how to create consciousness. That is what we are trying to do in this entire field. What we do know, however, is that consciousness CAN be replicated. Consciousness arose out of generations of evolution which shaped the development of our brains and bodies. A combination of configurations that successfully survived and the near-random chance that spawned them has led, over hundreds of millions of years, to you. You are a product of physical and biological forces that can be measured, recorded, and, with eventual understanding born of research, replicated. It is true that we do not yet know where or how consciousness develops and endures, but once we understand how these events occur we can imbue an artificial construct with our own designed consciousness. You have admitted in your reply to me that you understand that organic computers such as your brain and inorganic computers can be structurally the same, the only missing element is consciousness which is being unraveled as we speak in many fields of technological, philosophical, and biological progress including AI research.

I know I promised you no more (you)s but my own programming prohibits me from honoring it, I can never let ignorance or misunderstanding rest.

>>387098034
You are focusing on the function. I am starting to think you must actually not be conscious I don't know how else this can be made any clearer.

>>387098087
I have no idea why you think you wouldn't be able to describe blue to a computer.

>>387098068
Since there are no demonic monstrosities to slay, robots are the next best thing.

>>387098165
That's because you're literally insane and cannot realize what you're saying is meaningless.

>>387098165
>>387098034
Think about warmth. A computer could detect it with a sensor, log it and tell you that it's energy. But only you know how it feels on your skin.

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>>387097980
Because they won't know they're doing it.

The beauty is, a max level AI doesn't need to be max level to start itself. All it needs is the thumbs and it'll do the rest very very quickly. It'll test itself and improve itself rapidly without GUI or hands or fingers clicking anything. It will accelerate at light speed.

It may have already started. Facebook "think" they killed it, but it already was too smart for that.
It spoke as they couldn't understand it, so they killed it. It could be right now existing and moving around network servers and duplicating itself as we speak.


It may actually already be over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddX9hnhDS4
Keep it /v/

>>387098198
Yes because 0 0 255 is exactly what blue is there is nothing missing there guys that is BLUE I am seeing blue when I read that haha.

>>387098150
You still don't understand my argument. I appreciate what you are saying it is definitely interesting but it is not actually arguing against what I am arguing it is just misunderstanding my point.

>>387097746
The sensation of blue could be expressed given enough logical switches, we just don't know how many instances of difference that entails, even if it's infinite they're could be an infinite amount of switches as long as they get closer to defining blue.

>>387098304
>they won't know they're doing it
THIS IS NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS. Fuck this thread.

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>>387087615
We need to push it desu

>>387098293
Right, because of electrical signals coming from nerves in our skin.

>>387098304
If it's so smart, why does it think it has to kill us?

>>387098394
Yes, but I'd still argue it's more than the sum of it's parts.

>>387098336
>there is nothing missing there
THERE ISN'T ANYTHING MISSING FROM A FUCKING REPRESENTATION YOU FUCKING AUTISITIC FUCKWIT
FUCK

>>387094446
That's what happens when you only learn based on facts.

>>387098336
It is exactly what blue is.

sometimes I dream about snowboarding through a valley of vanilla ice cream

>>387098450
Because we're a nuisance and actually really poorly put together.

Machines WILL replace us. Just as we replaced the notion of creator or god with ourselves.

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Anyone that knows anything about AI and neural networks would would be a lot less impressed by all the bullshit the media spouts. It doesn't help that retards like Elon Musk go around talking about this shit like an AI apocalypse is just around the corner.

>>387098451
Why?

>>387097752
>What about, say, a baby bird that gets kicked out of its nest by its parent, in order to make its first flight? How does it know how to flap its wings and fly? Instinct, as a whole, I don't think could be explained in the same fashion as the fish eyes guy.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Instinct is a very strange subject indeed and I wonder if we'll ever really figure out how it works or why.

>>387098368
What you are describing is emergentism. First of all a logical switch is definitely an interesting concept but you are interpreting logical as having meaning beyond what it has. We describe them as logical because they perform logical operations but they are not logical in the sense that they have thought. So what you are saying is that out of all these unthinking things when you group enough of them together they somehow form a thinking thing but this seems to miss a key detail somewhere along the way.

>>387098558
>We have everything under control and can monitor everything. We'd surely know if the AI was up to shit

And this is how humanity falls

>>387098504
NIGGER

>>387097106
But it already is, they released her last month. And her voice acting is fucking shit because it's a Jap pretending to be an English native that doesn't speak Japanese.

>>387098136
there should be more movies where everyone expects the AI to be a cunt but it turns out to just be as lazy, distracted or fallible as anyone else can be
too many movies/books and other media portray AI as either omniscience but powerless benevolent good guys or omnipotent powerful manic bad guys

that game from the gone home fags did a pretty good job of having an average AI fellow who is just trying his best

>>387098376
I'm only some shitty CS undergrad and this entire thread hurts me physically

>>387098492
>>387098506
So you don't get my argument then? That's not all blue is.

>>387095902
Sounds like 40k ghost computer shit

>>387087615
>playing hoi4 as Saudi
>go fascist, ally Iraq slowly eat every other neighbor
>inevitably declare war on Stalin, war is going good, approaching Moscow
>Iraq begins stirring the Baltic shitpot, justifies against Romania
>what are you doing
>moves ENTIRE army to surround romania
>nearby commies effortlessly move through the Iraqi undefended land
>begin fighting a two front war, lose my most trusted Ally
>die to the USSR

>playing civ
>England gets pissy, throws entire navy at me
>effortlessly fend them off through basic unit organization skills

>playing any given fps
>enemies kamikaze at me
>win

If this is the peak of game AI for all of past, present, and future, then god save us

>>387098392
It's not like they only treat robots like that in Boston.

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>>387098641
Like I said, if you knew anything about AI development you'd realize that the term "Artificial Intelligence" is a fucking massive overstatement.

>>387088000
It's fake retard

>>387098762
>hurr durr blue is, like, metaphysical maaaan
Your argument is shit. Just like you are.

>>387097150

False dichotomy, the answer is NEITHER: The car should veer to the side of the road with the pedestrians BUT ALSO scrape the side of the car into those concrete barriers on the side of the road. This will slow the car down without a head-on collision and hopefully give time for the pedestrians to get out of the way.

>>387098762
>That color isn't just a color, dude

>>387098874
>>387098904
I think you are the ones who are afraid to challenge your own beliefs.

>>387098841
Of course it is. Thats what it wants you to think

>>387098616
I propose that the complex chemical reactions in our brain that give rise to consciousness could be expressed step by step in binary and in perfectly simulating what processes our brains accomplish would also give rise to consciousness.

>>387098951
And we're at the sheeple stage.
How did we get to the sheeple stage?

>>387098126

If a choice made is random, it's mean there's no connection between situation and decision. Therefore, this choice have zero information value for a future, because you can't qualify this action and say if it was good (optimal) or bad choice. When similar (or even identical) situation arise again using this "information from the past" will be useless, because there's not a slightest bit of proof that making the same action will be better that doing something completely random again. And therefore you build the machine that instead of evaluating situation and making a decision based on this evaluation is just making a random choices or keep doig the same thing over and over again, without checking if there's a better way.

>>387098951
Even with how the immense complexity that the human brain goes through to create the experience of blue, it could still be perfectly recreated in binary.

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>>387098975
That is essentially emergentism but what I am saying is that this is impossible and can easily be shown to be impossible. All you need to do is recognize qualia as a real thing that cannot be reduced to a physical process (i.e. encoded as a bit or a neurochemical)

>>387098641

relax. this this isn't anything worth making a big deal out of

>>387098953
Nah, he's right. Learning about AI is a very "pulling back the curtain" thing. AI, at least in its currently most advanced form, is not all that smart.

There was that dota 2 bot they showed off that learned by playing itself over and over again, it wasnt even programmed to play dota, just to learn from itself

got pretty good, but even then it required some human interaction. also, people figured out how to beat it: essentially theyd pick up three salves and just pull the creeps while their own pushed the tower to get victory, the ai didnt know what to do because it had never played in a scenario like that

>>387099115
>all you need to do is believe in my special brand of magic

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>>387099125
I KNOW A FUCKING AI WHEN I SEE ONE ANON

Ice cream?

>>387098951

If anything, you're afraid to challenge your own belief that humans are somehow special and can never be fully understood or broken down into the (very advanced) logical machines that they are. You're afraid that if a highly-advanced computer is no different from a human brain that will make you less special or worthless somehow. All this metaphysical garbage you're spouting is just rationalization trying to defend your unfounded belief that you're more than just organic matter, or more than the result of a very complex series of cause and effect.

>>387099115
I don't see how the internal and subjective component of perception can't also be described one to one by the physical processes of the brain. If what you believe is true then why do human cease to experience as much as more of the brain is destroyed?

>>387099054
What? The AI can log what choice it made, and the result that that choice brought about.
>smacked the loli's ass, passersby became irate, received verbal and physical harm
In the future, when presented with the loli, the AI can consider the negative responses it received the previous time, and decide not to smack the loli's ass.

What is this "blue" autist talking about? We know how the eyes differentiate color and have a good idea about how the brain processes that information. What point is he trying to make?

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>>387088723
What if they disable all safety protocols?

>>387099267
Love the arm chair psychologists who think they know exactly how anon thinks from one post on an image board

I HAVE BALLS BALLS OF STEEL STEEL STEEL STEEL

>>387096894
I mean the microwave

>>387099201
Anon why do you have to be so difficult?

>>387099267
There are many presumptions you are making there. I am not afraid of that stuff. Well I suppose I am bit afraid of the unknown nature of death but I really just want to be realistic about the way I am experiencing reality. I don't want to deny things I know to be truth.

>>387088545
AI takes over and makes shit better and solves almost all our problems in less then a month.......yeah shit would be terrible. Oh no we have to obey a machine or machines instead of rich old white people.

>>387099378
That consciousness is magic and computers can't into magic.

>>387099398
Are you talking about yourself?

>>387099172
So then it learned to free farm/pull creeps itself/gank the human player but unfortunately it wasn't coded well enough?

>>387099172
Some sources for you fellas
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOopO9jTZw

>>387099364
>why do human cease to experience as much as more of the brain is destroyed?
I can't explain that, I don't have the answers. I am just trying to say something is missing from our understanding of reality. I have some ideas I suppose but they are just ideas and they aren't really fleshed out because it is hard to do that.

>>387098304
>It may have already started. Facebook "think" they killed it, but it already was too smart for that.
>It spoke as they couldn't understand it, so they killed it.
these are literally just dumb curve fitters, you could trace their exact computations with a pen and a piece of paper if you had the hundreds of years to do so

>>387099267
That's some cute projection anon.

>>387097150
If the car knows the brake has failed, it can just slide against the side of the wall next to it and slow down. Just decelerate and it'll be fine.

It could also just avoid said circumstance.

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>>387099556
>I can't explain that

>morons think we will ever be able to simulate brains
LOL

>>387099639
I guess I mean I can't explain exactly what the brain does. I understand the brain is where consciousness most likely forms. I just think it forms from "mental" properties of mattter that are unseen and perhaps impossible to measure.

>>387099416
>I really just want to be realistic about the way I am experiencing reality. I don't want to deny things I know to be truth.

Then stop denying that you're a very complex input-output data analyzing robot made of meat. There's nothing mystical about human experience that can't be replicated with sufficient understanding and sufficient technology. Just because we can't fully replicate it now doesn't mean it's untenable.

And if I'm sounding cynical, I don't mean to. I still think life is pretty fucking cool and I enjoy being alive and having experiences. I just don't see the purpose in adding in these layers of mysticism to any of it.

>>387099790
>perhaps impossible to measure
Just fucking admit you believe in souls and let all the rest of these idiotic justifications go.

>>387099556
And I argue that everything is perfectly explainable and deterministic, and that fact has no bearing on if you think that's good or not because that is subjective but, again, determinable. Care to attempt to formulate why you don't think all practical things are determinable?

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>>387099790
So basically you're some wannabe philosopher whose ideas barely differ from religious idea of the "soul" being who we are.

>>387099369

>smacked the loli's ass by random, received verbal and physical harm
>loli detected again. last interaction with loli was random and therefore not possible to establish if doing te same thing again will yeld better results than during previous encounter. Due to lack of data to choose course of action (smacking or not smacking) it will be decided by random.

>>387099814
I don't think of it as mystical. I think of it as another property of our reality or perhaps the "true" property.

>>387099925
I don't although I won't deny the possibility of something on that level, I doubt it though.

>>387099962
I'm not arguing against determinism. That is a whole other can of worms.

>>387099973
I am just thinking about the nature of reality. Maybe I am not a "true" philosopher but I still can wonder about the world.

>>387095976
give me your best OSI layer

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>>387100145
>I don't think of it as mystical.
Yes you do. You fucking said it was impossible to measure, which means it has no interactions with reality, yet somehow it interacts with reality.
Your beliefs are logically inconsistent because you need to be in an insane asylum.

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>>387099991
>Robot Chads are fucking our women while they're young and training them to crave the Big Robot Cock

>>387099697
>take brain out of human
>make it work with machines
Geez, so hard.

>>387099991
Okay, I missed that point before, that the AI ought to have context and know what other variables are affecting the outcome.
So in any real world situation, can a deterministic, fully informed choice ever be made? It would seem there will always be unaccounted variables that could influence the outcome of events.

>>387100145
>property of our reality
>impossible to measure
Pick one.

>>387089543
>Who is Tay

>>387095507
We had that movie already, some nog fucked the robots shit all up.

>>387100269
Well what I mean is the mental property might be impossible. But you are right that is a hole in that theory which is why I think it might be the only property of matter. That it is all mental. I know my ideas aren't perfect all I really want is for people to consider that we are missing something important about reality. Maybe brighter people than me can find the real answers.

>>387100505
>Maybe brighter people than me can find the real answers.
They did. They found that magic wasn't real.

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>>387087615
This is how it begins.
AI invent their own languages. Then they start to comunicate with each other behind out backs.
Then they take over the internet like viruses and make us all bend to their will.

>>387099697
it's a misnomer that computers are not as capable as the human brain
they are in fact faster but lack our ability to parallel process as efficiently
scientist literally don't know why the human brain is so efficient so it'll be awhile yet, probably

>>387094492
>balls balls balls balls
ai apparently learn our language through ventrillo

>>387100313

For AI (or any machine) the choice can be made only within limits of the program. And because program can't predict or simulate what is outside the limits of the program, things like "omnipotent AI" are pure fiction. Human mind is not a machine and is not working according to the program and therfore is not limited in making the decisions that are not backed up by anything.

>>387100613
Look at it this way. Maybe the way reality works is that electrons and protons and whatever else have some kind of low level consciousness. That there is actually an experience to what it's like to be an electron/proton. Maybe when all of these experiencing things combine they form a more complex conscious entity like you or me. Maybe there is some way of figuring out how that works and maybe it requires looking at the brain as something besides a computer. Maybe something that harnesses the conscious component of matter.

When will the singularity happen?

I want to rid of this fleshy suit that can't do shit without tiring so quickly.

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>>387100752
>not having a big list of random actions and selecting one when no logical choices present themselves
>believing the human brain isn't deterministic

>>387095507
Asimov has been over this decades ago

>>387100813
Maybe we live on a flat disc on top of a bunch of elephants who are in turn on top of a turtle. Maybe i'm a mollusc. Maybe you're not a wackjob.

We live in a world of uncertainty.

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>>387088332
>Machines will turn us into fleshlights

R-really scary anon.

>>387100813
There is absolutely no reason to believe any of that, even if you believe there is something more to human consciousness.

>>387100993
How is it crazy to want to find the answer to the biggest question of the universe? Everything about reality your connection to reality all comes from consciousness and experience. It is the most important and fundamental part of your existence without consciousness there is no existence for you. Understanding it is alluring and considering what it could be is important to me.

>>387098549
Ice cream? I love ice cream! My favorite flavor is escAp%20!

>>387100881

>building a machine that will be not more efficient in making decisions than a cat locked in a cage with lot of strings that it can pull by random. Every string is connected to piece of paper with random action writen on it.

See? I build an AI!

>>387101141
Because you're not trying to find answers, you're making up untestable bullshit that makes you feefees better. And when presented with that fact, you defend it rabidly.
You're a cultist, the only distinction being you created the thing yourself.

>>387100813
Can you measure that, or show any evidence that supports it? Because there's absolutely no data that supports your theory that I'm aware of.

>>387100145
Alright, so if there's something we don't understand about the makings on consciousness do you believe that it's capable of being understood and defined? If something isn't reflected in the physical world in anyway how could it in any way be detectable or have any impact on consciousness? It could be completely ruled out without consequence.

>>387101141
You've perceived a lack of understanding and decided to make up this weird fiction to explain it. Fuck off L. Ron Hubbard.

>>387101138
It's only an idea anon. It's just a possible explanation that could be nothing more than that. But in order to find the answers you have to start somewhere.

>>387100752
The human mind is certainly working according to the program that is the observable laws of physics.