Mass Effect

It's not like the first game was so good anyways. Mass Effect was a series that had potential and it got completely wasted

>>387068137
>glory

What fucking glory?

One okay at best game with decent atmosphere followed by two shittier than the last sequels?

>>387068137
>That conversation with Sovereign in ME1

Sorry man but no villain was gonna live up to the hype set there

>>387068137
>kill it
>create new IP

Mass Effect is beyond saving.
And it was always shit.

>>387068137
Mass Effect was never good. Don't bother trying to prove me wrong. You literally can't.

Start over and give the game to someone who knows how to write and make games.

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>>387068137
don't, let it die, maybe in the future somebody will make a throwback to KOTOR/ME1

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>>387068137
>former glory

it was never good. It was a mediocre at best series that had a notoriously bad ending and an awful spinoff game that was so bad it literally killed the studio.

rest in pieces

>>387068341

That was good shit. Miss those days.

Now I'm kinda in the mood to revisit Jade Empire. That game was cool.

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/v/'s forever #1 waifu

tfw remembering all the "CANNOT HAVE" threads back in 2008/9

>>387068341
Exactly, which is why they should have dropped the Reaper plotline after Sovereign was killed.
At the end of ME1, players could have safely assumed that with their vanguard dead and no more signal coming the Reapers would just remain asleep in Dark Space forever.
It was the perfect opportunity to just shift the focus on exploring the universe they created, which to be fair, ME2 did that but then they brought it back to the Reaper shit in the end, which was a mistake.

Dragon age had better potential. Though I prefer the sci-fi setting of Mass effect.

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>>387068507
>don't even try kiddo *teleports behind you*

>>387068675
Tali is pure perfection

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>>387068341
>That conversation with Sovereign in ME1
forgot your image bro, lemme help you out

>>387068675
Every good man genocided the fucking space gypsies though. Only degenerates let them live.

I hope Mass Effect just stays dead. 1 is one of my favorite games and 2 is pretty damn good to me. Suicide mission was one of my favorite things in video games. 3 and Andromeda were shit and I'd rather just live with the good memories instead of some shit house reboot that disappoints me too.

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>>387068651
>only played ME3

>>387068675
>it was a poorly photoshopped human face after all

what a fucking jape

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>>387068675
not even meant to be waifu hack writing did that/10

>>387069184
someone should go back in time and kill the creator of tumblr

>>387068338
>One okay at best game with decent atmosphere followed by two shittier than the last sequels?
Wait a second, ME2 came after the first one.

>>387069184
I don't see a problem with some of these

The spreadsheet one, or the Miranda/Alistair ones. Just people being silly

>>387069184
bioware fans are up there with sonic fags and tumblrinas. disgusting

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>>387068895
>inbreeding enablers
>not degenerate
Bigots make as little sense as SJWs.

>>387068341
bait?

>>387069676
Add twitter to the mix.

bioware is done for

did the rich nerds just give up and let their "VPs of Diversity" run the shit into the ground?

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>>387068675
all talifags should be gassed

>>387068137
You can't save Mass Effect because it's owned by a retarded company. The best you can hope for is for a different developer to step in and try to deliver on the same concept this series did.

>>387069929
they really are 2 sides of the same coin

Every ME thread is always the same. A ton of nostalgia for either 1 or 2. Shitting on 3 and whatever else modern day Bioware crapped out.

ME was a magical game for me though. I wanna try to replay it this winter if there aren't too many games I have piled up.

>>387068137
Why not something new? Why always having to reuse old shit?

>>387069787
>He didn't like the original Mass Effect
Every day I come to this board and I realize I'm interacting with the absolute lowest of philistines. 2 improved quite a bit over 1 but god damn son what the fuck is wrong with your BRAIN NIGGA?

Just play anthem when it comes out, it'll likely have good gameplay and diverse cast of females and black males. Its right up in /v/'s alley.

>>387070921
I'll play with my penis instead. fuck bioware

>>387069813
Bioware fans ARE tumblurinas man. Mass Effect was one of the first big titles that dragged them into gaming

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>>387069813
no bullying

>>387070921
Anthem looks boring as fuck
Especially as it's going to be designed to be played with your friends

>>387068137
>How do we bring the series back to it is former glory?
What?

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Hard to believe Bioware got so ass blasted by constructive critisism that they completely wiped out their forums and closed them down for good.

I know a large fan forum took it's place and has pretty high traffic with even Bioware coming onto it for interviews, but how is it?

Are it's mods massive SJW's?

>>387068137
Give it to a competent developer.

>>387068137
Wich glory?
First was a messy tech demo, second was refined but let down in the rpg elements then 3 and andromeda is pure trainwreck.

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I played ME 1,2,3 all well passed their releases. I enjoyed them all, though I understand the criticisms. Andromeda was a bit of a shit when I first started playing but it's grown on me, the combat is pretty fun and the worlds are pretty cool. I seriously wish the dialogue was better, but for me it isn't a deal breaker, I still like it

>>387071889
kill yourself. please.

Remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Li2MIGxOww

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>>387072095
Fucking what the hell, image selection took a shit on me. What I meant to post as an image

ME1 was a flawed gem
ME2 was much better overall, but lost some of the uniqueness ME1 had
ME3 was dumbed down in terms of story, gameplay, graphics... everything really.

>>387071561
>I don't have friends

The renegade approach always made sense to me. The end justifies the means.

Not sure why you don't see it more in RPG's.

>>387068341
>That conversation with Sovereign in ME1
>Never once can you call him out on his shit by saying that he is a machine which means that I can understand his purpose
Now stop meming
>>387068691
You're only making it worse

>>387072248
>ME3 was dumbed down in terms of graphics
When was the last time you played ME1 and ME2? Because ME3 is the best looking one and has by far the best combat

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>>387068137
Who's the best ME waifu and why is it Liara?

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>>387072030
>tech demo
holy shit you have no idea what that word means faggot
is was just another random unreal engine game, retarded

>>387072381
>Renegade option when talking to a news reporter
>punch her in the face live on camera
Yes, I can see the end that justifies that so clearly

>>387072570
The lighting was better but the character models were noticeably worse. I'm not sure what they did/why they did it because even returning characters from ME2 looked worse.

>>387072616
boring blue whore

>>387068137
bring back Drew Karpyshyn and fire all the women.

>>387072616
Because she can't die and she's only like 108 which is approximately 1/10th of their life span you pedophile.

>>387072749
I'm the galatic bolice. Fuck off before I baton your ass..

>>387072771
The character models were not worse, I was able to notice that right away because I just right from ME2 to ME3 when I decided to replay the games two months ago. On PC

>>387068137
You can't. The series was never good. The first game was about as original in concept as your average Marvel film, and the mechanics sucked.

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>>387072782
>>387072993
t.tali

>>387073005
I'm not sure what to tell you famalam but I just did the same thing and I remember noticing it the first time I played through, AND I remember people bitching about it at the time.

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>>387068137
>completely ignore the events of ME3 and MEA, they never happened
>give the licenses to whoever wants one with the strict instructions to set it either just before ME1, during ME1, just before ME2, during ME2, and just after ME2 nothing else and all of them are "non canon" so no references to each-other need to be made
>sit back and enjoy all the different types of ME games that could possibly roll in

Personally I want an ME where you're a random species of your choosing and design and you start off in C-sec and get in way over your head and end up part of a gang of pirates/vigilantes.

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>>387072248
Playing through Insanity has made me like ME2 more than 1 purely on a gameplay perspective.
>lmao immunity, shield regen, health regen making the early-mid tedious as fuck
>Missile Drone 1 shot, that one fight after saving Liara where the fucker just zooms up with a fucking hilarious sped up walk animation and boom sticks you
>no gunplay variety aside from the main 4, upgrades is just accuracy and damage until eventually you can buy Spectre gear and GLACKOW everything
>Autosave locations
>Mako turret peeking or fucking backing over Geth armatures for hours
>Gay frisbee grenades
>ENEMIES EVERYWHERE

The writing is better but the tech limitations are too much. ME2 ports the squaddies I liked (aside from Wrex but whatever Grunt is k) and you actually get to go to nice environments and alien worlds that aren't WASTELAND, LAVA, ICE, CONCRETE, BEACH. Just more guns and powers to play with.
The gameplay that ME2 ironed out is basically why ME3 MP is more fondly remembered than the actual fucking campaign.

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>>387073310
Mass Effect 2

>>387068137
Cancel Anthem and let Edmonton develop the next Mass Effect game without open world and more rpg elements than ME3

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>>387073310
>>387073774
Mass Effect 3, how is this worse?

>>387073354
Ignore Andromeda yes, but don't ignore ME3. Just have the next following game have the good Destroy ending be canon since that way we can play in a universe where the Reapers are gone but everyone isn't some machine hybrid so that way there can still be conflict.

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>>387068137
>How do we bring the series back to it's former glory?

Not possible unless you can pry it free from EA's ownership and EA would burn itself to the ground before giving up an IP.

Remember that we're talking about the TWO-TIME 2-TIME WORST COMPANY IN AMERICA here...

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>>387073202
And this is an andromeda's Asari.
What the fuck happened?

>>387073901
I suppose due to the non-canon status of my proposal that would be possible but so much fucking bullshit was introduced in 3 that I simply don't want to see any of it really return in any form or even be referenced.

>>387074059
What's wrong with her?

>>387073774
>>387073874
>using Garrus as an example
you're just trolling now, aren't you

>>387074059
Are you trying to argue an entire species has no ugly members?

>>387074059
>race of parasites that make themselves look attractive to other species so they can reproduce look like potatoes now
What did Bioware mean by this?

>>387068137
Considering that everything about Shepard and the other party is gone, it would be pretty difficult for it to happen. People loved Shepard and the rest of the party and sadly they're gone. Even with a new game it would be very hard to create the same impact the first and second game made.

>>387074174
No, and he was the first character that come to mind

>>387068137
wasted fucking potential, so this is the power of SJWs

>>387074428
SJWs didn't ruin Mass Effect.
Casey Hudson, Mac Walters and EA being EA ruined Mass Effect.

>>387074309
>race of parasites that make themselves look attractive to other species
Nice meme

>>387074340
Shepard and the crew are long since dead in Andromeda but who says that they have to make the next game following the Andromeda story? Just have a game take place after the trilogy where you play as a different custom character and Shepard is a war hero

>>387074243
Asari were known far and wide for their unnatural beauty so concerning the Asari and 3 previous games, yes.

>>387074309
I love how there are still people taking a drunken conversation as fact. Full retards every single person who believes that shit and doesn't realize they were talking about individual features of an Asari.

>>387074309
The only """evidence""" to this is bantz between some buddies

>>387074556
t.Asari

>>387074531
The SJWs didn't help.
Instead of patching MEA's many glitches, Bioware added Gay Romance options.
They know what side their bread is buttered on.

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>>387072749

>thinking a space spy would face any consequences

>>387074630
Wrex and Liara should still be alive.

>>387068137

Do HD remakes of the first three games, release them as a pack for PS4, Xbone, and PC.

>>387074706
drunk buddies*

>>387074630
Yeah, i agree. But it would just be incredibly hard to make the player feel the same impact and the same empathy towards the new characters as we did with the ones from the first games. The game would need to have an even better story than it should in order to that to happen, otherwise people would just play while thinking "hm.. I miss shepard. I miss Garrus, etc.." and considering that Bioware is now filled with SJWs, that makes it even harder to achieve.

>>387074710
Andromeda was kind of an isolated case. Yes, it was full of SJWs and nu-males who had no idea what the fuck they were doing but none of those guys were around for the original trilogy.
It didn't ruin Mass Effect, they were just shitting on top of another pile of shit.

>>387074826
How the fuck would this help

>>387068137
Create a Mass Effect 1.5 that effectively retcons the parts of 2 and 3 that contradicted 1. If that does okay, build a 2.5-3.5 as a single game that revises the original trilogy's narrative hooks in line with a plot written by someone who wasn't huffing their own farts for inspiration.

>>387074826
>Do HD remakes of the first three games,
There's already mods for that that make games look incredibly good, giving them a make over wont fix the 2nd and 3rd games stories

>>387074718
Liara I would believe to still be alive (possibly in her matriarch years) but Wrex was already an old man by the time we meet him. He probably lived for a couple more centuries before dying of old age. Grunt would still be alive though if him being tank breed doesn't lead to some long term side effects.

>>387074858
Yeah true. I would love to get to know new characters if they were written great.

>>387074718
Grunt too. Maybe even Javik since we don't know how long Protheans live.

>>387075117
I'm sure every fan would love to see good, new characters. It's just that it would be incredibly hard to make them as good as they were back then.

>>387068137
The series dropped his lower in ME3 with the end and basically you couldn't enjoy it too much, ME Andromeda was the shit that kill everything with Poo in the Loo as the main guy and his hate for "white males", that fucking curry nigger didn't even put whites as a skin base color, Andromeda was a fkin time bomb, the last good ME was ME2 where you can see what happened to your old crew, talk to them and have a new one and when you ended the main history, you could still play and collect everything.

>>387075117
Wrex is around 400 years old.
Drack is 1400 years old and still kicking ass in andromeda.
Okeer in me 2 was nearly 2000 years old.

>>387075042
I still don't know why they didn't do something like this. If they were afraid of upsetting the existing fanbase, they could've spun it as an "alternate timeline" or some shit, comics do it all the time.

>>387068137
We don't, it's over.

>>387068925
Agreed.

>>387076073
I'm glad its over

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>>387075043
>giving them a make over wont fix the 2nd and 3rd games stories
>that huge ME3 mod that adds lots of missions and content
like, nigga, I don't want TO BE in this lore raped game universe, why would I play a longer version of that?

>>387068925
This. I'd rather see a series I once liked die off than being eternally jewed and shat upon by some company.
FUCKING HALO

What mass effect really needed was a good last game. Something else than 3. Something to truly finish the trilogy in an epic way as it was intended. After that, it could stay dead as one of the greatest stories in all gaming.

>>387071889
Lol.
What else can you expect from nu males and their tumblr employees

>>387076118
You're probably one of the "it was always bad people" but yeah I am too. Seeing something I loved being beaten like a dead horse wasn't a fun experience.

>>387076229
>ME3 mod that adds lots of missions and content
none of it is canon anyways, so it doesn't matter

>>387073583
Did the same and agree on evrything here.

>>387076467
Well if BioWare doesn't care about their own canon I don't see why I should

The series is as good as dead thanks to Andromeda.

>>387076315
>it could stay dead as one of the greatest stories in all gaming

Wut. I enjoy ME1 and 2 but this is just horribly wrong.

>>387076331
I actually was a massive fan of the first game, I replay it once in a while, I even enjoyed the second game, but the third game just ruined everything for me, there was not a single aspect in 3rd game that I liked. Never forget the dark matter theory or the indoctrination one

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>>387074030
That pic


I hate (((EA))) so fkn much. How greedy and shitty can a company get after making millions of dollars.

>>387076749
anon just needs to play more games

>>387074340
You can make a character that will actually be even more liked than shepard. But you need the people that worked on me1

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MY MOTIVES ARE BEYOND YOUR UNDERSTANDING

>>387077019
>I POSSESS AN INTELLECT FAR BEYOND HUMAN RECKONING
oh shit wrong game

>>387076749
Dude the potential was there, with all the theories, speculations of time travel, worse beings in other universes than the reapers, key mysteries, gray moral areas, the game had the space for complexity but it chose the mcdonalds route

>>387077124
You're right it did have huge potential, a great universe, lots of lore but did buggery fuck with far too much which resulted in a mostly enjoyable experience but "greatest story in all gaming" is so fucking wrong I'd almost argue you were baiting.

>>387076749
Why is it wrong? The story didn't have much else to go after the end of mass effect 2. If ME3 was as good or even better than ME2, they could close it there. It's way better to end the game as something great than just keep milking it with more shit like andromeda just for money.

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>that feel when Halo and Mass Effect's soft-reboots failed but based Gears' soft reboot succeeded

feels good

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>>387077515
>If ME3 was as good or even better than ME2
>ME3
>something great

>>387077526
man the gear trilogy was really solid from start to finish, and it even had a really good plot

>>387077515
It had great lore and huge potential but the main plot with the Reapers is really generic and ME2 was a fucking sidequest.

>>387068820
>still no reply after almost two hours
Have a pity (You).

>>387077515
Even if ME3 had been decent there were still far too many issues with the plot and structure to give it the title "the best ever in vidya ever"

>>387077526
>Gears' soft reboot succeeded
it did?

>>387077526
Well 343's Halo games also succeeded but they still fucking suck

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What happened to Bioware?

Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect were some of the best games I had played in years up to that point. Fuck, before that you had the likes of KOTOR, Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights, and motherfucking Baldur's Gate.

Every Dragon Age and Mass Effect game, as well as just about every other Bioware game, thereafter has been total dogshit. It's almost as if Bioware had some kind of internal policy shift to only make shitty socially progressive games after those two games became so successful.

>>387068137
Did we ever get to know what this orb did or was?

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>>387078146

>>387068137
Andromeda sold so shit they closed down the studio so we wait for the the sequel which has to redeem the series, otherwise they're fucked.

>>387078146
>It's almost as if Bioware had some kind of internal policy shift

Did you not pay attention? They did it was called EA.

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Blend sci-fi with ancient all-powerful god(s)/forgotten creators. Kind of like Nier where there is more going on than there seems. The Reapers were kind of similar, being forces of nature somewhat. Make it an epic where the existence of everything is at stake or questioned.

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>>387078146
>>387078261

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>>387072437
>which means that I can understand his purpose
How the fuck does that follow?

>>387077869
Yeah, of course. But we at least deserved a nice ending to the trilogy.

>>387078146

Literally EA. They forced out senior staff, hired fresh out of college grads for minimum wage, and committed to a policy of making games as cheaply as possible for mouthbreathers. Origins was the swan song: it was a little rough, but you could tell that the game tried to give multiple options and player agency in both story and combat. Its disgusting DLC practices were a herald of things to come, but for the most part it was a pretty solid game. It's afterwards that the studio really fell apart.

>>387078345
During all three games, I was under the impression that the Reapers were some kind of force of nature, maybe even being created alongside the galaxy so they could control evolution or something like that (like keeping the races from abusing dark energy and fucking up the universe).
But nope its some retarded shit with AI

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>>387078530
Many games deserved that and never got it. Be thankful for the quality you did get.

>>387078345
THE ONLY GOOD REAPER IS A DEAD REAPER

>>387077736
But it was a good sidequest, nevertheless. I still prefer the first one, but you've got to agree that the characters and specially the ending were all amazing.

>>387078261
If you ever watched any podcasts with Mac or Drew, it very easy to get the impression of Mac was a very flexible lead with fuck it lets make it happen attitude, while Drew was a passionate writer and a unbending perfectionist

>>387071495
Oh God this has pulled me right fucking back into 2011.

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>>387078847
>fuck it lets make it happen attitude
So I guess he was the guy that decided to fuck up Legion?

>>387078658
I will admit that they did suceed in making the Reapers seemingly unstoppable in the first few games. Then in 3 you began to take them out. I'm unsure how I feel about that and how else they could have handled it. I did feel dread (the good kind) whenever I encountered them.

>>387078326
Why does EA fuck up everything?

>>387078658

According to some documents, it's suggested that the Reapers were always intended to be an AI, but one that was made at the end of the universe to be sent back in time to harvest knowledge and culture in order to solve the dark matter problem. They're unsuccessful, so they send themselves back in time again/artificially stimulate a big crunch and another big bang to try again, and they were supposed to have gone through this process billions of times before ME1. It's a far more horrific existence and what they should have gone with desu.

if only there was a similar franchise that we could use, one where you could potentially get a big crew and save the day. we could even improve on ME and put some space knights or something in there.

oh and you know what why don't we make it so all games in that series have to be published by EA. that sounds like a great idea

>>387079001
Shit like this, people at the top wanted to see and make changes and Mac was the kind of guy that was easy to work with, people need to work, everyone gets paid, lets go. Drew had to go. Sadly at the end of the day its a business

>>387079040
Because they're EA. They couldn't even out perform a PS2 game (Battlefront 2)

>>387079023
I remember reading something up that Drew and the other writers planned on stopping the Reapers before they even reached the galaxy. Remember that it took the entire Citadel Fleet, the Alliance Fifth Fleet and Shepard killing Saren to kill ONE Reaper in the first game.
Meanwhile you just kill them like its nothing in ME3 and in ME2 you kill one with normal guns (though that one was in early stages so I can give it a pass).

>>387079001
Agh fuck this guy is awesome. Why don't they let talented writers actually fucking write anymore?

>>387078807
It became a mess near the ending with the Human-Reaper but yeah, it was a good sidequest. Still, your story is really fucked when you have a trilogy and you can completely skip the second entry.
But yeah, I still prefer ME1 but ME2 did characters much better, they actually had personalities and weren't info/codex dumps

>>387068137

Some things just are. You can't make them continue to be something or make the same thing happen again. It was a great game and an enjoyable trilogy, and even the people who hated the games enjoyed the ride of the whole thing, now just let it die.

There is no way to bring it back without pissing everyone off. People keep trying to do this with all kinds of franchises (ghostbusters, aliens, terminator, mirror's edge) and it never works, ever.

It was a fun thing, it happened, it's stopped happening, and it can't happen again. Make something different and make a NEW fun thing.

>>387079381
Because interesting non-generic characters don't make money, goy

>>387079041
>Reapers were always intended to be an AI
No shit. I mean the reveal that the purpose between the Reapers was to stop wars between organics and AIs, which is just fucking retarded. Anything would be better than that.

>>387078658
>>387079041
My personal take(not so much a "theory" as a kind of wishful thinking) was that ages and ages ago the "first civilization," as it were, ran into the AI problem like everyone else, and got completely exterminated. Eventually, for whatever reason, the machines grew remorseful/bored/whatever and tried to resurrect their progenitors, but it kept failing. The cycles are essentially their repeated failures at recreating the race that created them.

1>>>>>3>2>>>>>Andromeda

>>387080209
>three higher than two
elaborate

>>387080035
Once the harvest thing became known I thought it was going to be like they're there to keep the galaxy's population in check because there's some greater force out there that's drawn to large enough populations, or that civilisations that progress to a certain level start dabbling with technology that does nasty shit that endangers everyone, which I think was the original goal.

Kinda like the teraport in Schlock Mercenary, now that I think about it. The Reapers would be the Gatekeepers.

>>387080240

3 was 2 but with better gameplay and more RPG mechanics. 2 was also irrelevant to the overall story, they literally could have jumped from 1 to 3 and not missed much

Worse cast though

>>387080358
>3 was 2 but with better gameplay
agreed
>more RPG mechanics
what

And while ME2 really was a glorified sidequest ME3's story is fucking awful and its conclusion is the lowest point in the series. Meaning it's more fun to play the sidequest.

>>387080297
>civilisations that progress to a certain level start dabbling with technology that does nasty shit that endangers everyone
This is the most straightforward explanation and seems in line with what rumors/leaks about the original dark matter plotline seem to imply.

As for myself, I've always been intrigued by the idea of machines that become/are "more human" than humans themselves. I honestly don't understand why so many peoples' first thought is that AI would be ruthless and immediately try to exterminate us. Seems like a projection tbqh

Ryder is so poorly written holy shit. Multiplayer is fun tho

Jack > Tali > others > hot garbage > gay boys > Liara

Remember if you romance Liara in 2 or 3 you're a cuck who loves an emotionally dead spook.

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>>387081730
Combat was the only good thing about Andromeda.
And my waifu

>>387080789
>I honestly don't understand why so many peoples' first thought is that AI would be ruthless and immediately try to exterminate us. Seems like a projection tbqh

The AI is likely built to serve some purpose, and will be designed to accomplish it with maximum results and efficiency. Having humans involved is always going to drag things down, so it removes them according to its own design.

The first time it will happen is when two high frequency trading algos stumble on each other and totally fuck the market.

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>>387068137
We don't, we let the series die. Modern Bioware are fucking trash and are going out of their way to demolish any game series that had a slight chance of being good.

>>387081881

Waifu yes. Combat...eh...I dont know why everyone raves about the combat in andromeda. I think 3s was a funner system. It was acover based shooter but in andromeda i just stand out in the open and whittle away enemies without fear of dying

>>387082236
>I dont know why everyone raves about the combat in andromeda
Well because it was the only good thing about the game and it resembles ME3's combat which was also the only good thing about the game.
They even copied it for Anthem.

>>387081904
It's the same idea if you give an AI a task like to "reduce suffering as much as possible for humans." Of course, since we've thought of this idea, we won't do it but the best way to reduce suffering for humans is to 1) exterminate them 2) put them in a state of perpetual sleep 3) drug them etc etc

One the topic, what's the name of that fear theory that states that an AI that becomes aware tries to exterminate everyone that didn't aide in its ascension thus being aware of the theory means you are on that list? You're welcome

>>387068137
Anyone else miss the Mako?

>tfw discovered EGM recently

At least ME3 actually feels like it's some sort of delivery on the Trilogy concept now. Sure the story is overall still heading for shit from the start, but they added some good stuff there.

Now the question is, why can a handful of modders add touches that actually make this feel like a ME game your choices have influenced and BiowarEA cannot?

>liking games for gaymers.
lmao

>>387081848
>Jack
you must be joking

>>387082425
Because EA knew anything would sell so they put the lowest effort. Modders are fans that wanted the game to be good so they try to fix the shitfest.

>>387082479
My Fair Lady'ing a bitch is by definition a patrician taste.

>>387068137
Make a new series with another name.Make it an actual role player game.

>>387079023
To be fair, if you listed to the Prothean AI, it specifically mentions how the reapers warp into a galaxy without any warning whatsoever and immediately kill all the leaders and probably their best defense forces before the war even starts. Not to mention immediately getting control of all relays and cutting everyone off from everyone else. They never had a chance in hell.

Before this cycle, no species had been warned or had time to prepare and it also tended to be a single species with one way of doing things.

This time there were several species with several different tactics who all had warning for several years to prepare.

It wasn't like reapers or their pawns could never be killed. You even get the Reaper IFF off of one that did die. It's just that no one ever had the chance.

>>387080789
Everyone always thinks that because we have a very long history of attacking things we don't understand or are threatened by. We are also very adaptive and will eventually achieve our goal given the time needed to do so.

We are absolutely a threat to other species including AI so the thought is that AI seeing this inevitability would attack immediately while we are possibly still too weak to make it happen in order to defend its own existence.

It's a very likely possibility. Of course it could also see our potential and choose to help us but that assumes it has emotions or something simulating that. Otherwise, it has no real reason to let us live and continue to be a constant potential threat.

>>387083403
The galaxy being organized sure is a huge factor, but the Reaper ships are still stronger, faster and smarter (being AI) in every way. And they have the largest fleet in the galaxy.
In ME1 taking down Sovereign took a huge effort and years to rebuild the fleets, the Reapers in ME3 are severely underpowered.

>>387068137
Make indoctrination theory real.
It solves everything.

Mass effect andromeda was an attempt by leviathan to sap our will to live.
The bugs, shit dialogue and dead eyed models were glitches in the system to draw our attention to the unreality of the situation
By resisting that shitfest we held out against leviathan.
Shepherd breaks free and goes on to lead the free galaxy in the REAL final battle against the reapers, liberating his indoctrinated companions and striking back for all sentient life everywhere.
Mass effect becomes regarded as the greatest game series ever, straying into the real world with its ARG indoctrination story element.
At the end we get to pick from FOUR buttons instead!
This time, one is yellow!

>>387081904
>>387082345
If we're talking about the real world then yeah, it's more likely that a "proto-AI" incapable of complex thought will fuck us up before we get AI with intelligence comparable to/surpassing that of a human. I don't know if that's entirely relevant to the discussion of AI tropes, though. It's certainly not the way most science fiction presents it. In most sci fi stories, the AI is fully aware and capable of creating its own culture, values, etc. but invariably it decides for some reason that those darned pesky humans need to go, and with extreme prejudice to boot.

>>387082425
Does EGM work if you can't get your readiness rating past 50% for whatever reason? With the degradation of assets, it seems you may be fucked since there are barely enough assets to get the best ending without degradation. I've read on it but I can never get a solid answer and anywhere else I could ask would get me instabanned,

>>387083951
It's called EMS (Effective Military Strenght). If you played the past games you get really fucking overpowered with it early on and already has the minimum requirement with only a few hours of gameplay even with 50%.
If you're playing without importing a save getting EMS assets gets harder and you have to make sure you collected all possible ones to get the best ending.

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>>387083895
>yellow button is an orgy where synthetics are allowed
>depending on how gay you were in andromeda you get less hot women and more sjws that won't let you fuck

>>387083884
It took that much effort and years to do because they had a massive army of geth. It wasn't because Sovreign himself was so badass. If you did your job right, the geth and everyone else are on your side this time.

You underestimate what a huge difference being prepared and not being cut off from everyone makes.

First move in any war is to take out command and control. If you succeed, the war is pretty much over.

Don't forget you delayed them even further by nuking the batarian mass relay.

>>387084146
I usually play from an imported save ( I play all 3 at once usually) and even when I collect everything and get the best outcomes, I usually end up with a little over 4,000 EMS which is just about what you need last I checked.

But EGM supposedly introduces degradation of EMS and it assumes you can get war readiness above 50%. Or at least that's how I understood it. That would screw anyone not connected online. The question is, does it actually screw you or did I understand how it works incorrectly?

>>387080567

>what

Maybe "mechanics" is thew wrong word. It had slightly more depth to its systems. There were more than 5 talents per crew member, branching talents, more status effects/ailment, more attributes to weapons, weapon attachments.

>And while ME2 really was a glorified sidequest ME3's story is fucking awful and its conclusion is the lowest point in the series

I don't give a shit about the ending, you can chalk that up to all three games while you're at it. 95% of Mass effect 3 was better than 100% of Mass Effect 2.

>>387084386
It really doesn't, sure it reduces the EMS by half but I played like two times without importing a save, without even touching online and still got the best ending.

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>>387084519
>Mass effect 3 was better than 100% of Mass Effect 2.
It's time to spot posting Hee

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>>387068137
It's dead

>>387084386
Apparently they were going to set it to 100% manually all the time but never got around to it before they abandoned the fucking thing. So while the UI says it's 100% (on the map Ithink), it calculates the ACTUAL GR rating. So ye, MP or perfect playthrough I suppose.

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>>387069184
>it would be nice to date someone who isn't focused on my gender or sexuality
what

>>387084615

Not an argument

>>387084583
Sorry. It seems we had a misunderstanding. Ever since the ending DLC got added, it's perfectly possible to get the best ending with whatever is in game. I know this.

What I was referring to was the mod "Expanded Galaxies Mod" or EGM. That changes things in the game and it's something I haven't tried due to what I had been describing before.

Do you know anything about that subject?

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>>387084615

>Mass effect 3 was better than 100% of Mass Effect 2.

Do you have basic reading comprehension?

>>387084519
That's not roleplaying, though, just gameplay improvements. We can all agree that ME3 had great gameplay but it completely shits on the roleplaying aspect, they got completely rid of the neutral options and the "investigate" dialogues, and when you can't interact with the dialogue Shepard is pretty much acts like a Paragon all the time and they tried so goddamn hard to make you care about that random kid to the point it becomes annoying.
Sure, you don't have to give a shit about the ending, it's not like Mass Effect had a good story to begin with. But I, personally, still care about the story and while the missions are fun to play the writing is fucking awful and completely shits on the previous games.

>>387071495
>STEVE CORTEZ the right man

>Some white dude is just getting slammed by a black guy

What the fuck.

>>387068137
Have a romancable Geth.

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>>387068137
It's dead, Jim.

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>>387085014
Doesn't require any comprehension to know that you are wrong mejt

>>387085046

>That's not roleplaying, though, just gameplay improvements. We can all agree that ME3 had great gameplay but it completely shits on the roleplaying aspect, they got completely rid of the neutral options and the "investigate" dialogues, and when you can't interact with the dialogue Shepard is pretty much acts like a Paragon all the time and they tried so goddamn hard to make you care about that random kid to the point it becomes annoying.

You mean all the ways you build and equip your character aren't roleplaying? What have I been thinking? And the whole "middle path" dialogue option didn't really yield any different results, they still had the dialogue options on the left for investigation and context. If anything I've heard people say 3's implementation of dialogue to be at least better than 2.

>Doesn't require any comprehension to know that you are wrong mejt

I'll take that as a "no".

>>387084985
Oh, shit. Right. I get it now.
Hell yeah I love that mod, played it tons of times. The closest thing to "degradation" I've encountered is some assets like Colony Support that degrade as the story goes on, but that's purely what they are, part of the story, they are relatively low and they don't replace any of the original EMS.
You can get the best ending without playing multiplayer just fine, in fact, I think it's actually easier since it adds even more EMS assets (which don't degrade), but if I remember correctly they are not too powerful so it's pretty balanced.

>>387083723
This implies two things: one, that AI will automatically have a self-preservation instinct, and two, that it won't be so fantastically powerful/alien compared to us as to render us insignificant to it. Neither of these is necessarily true.

It's funny how people are quick to judge machines as "heartless" and "without emotion," and conveniently ignore that fear and hate are also emotions. A machine that would kill without mercy would either be too "stupid" to truly comprehend what it's doing(i.e. not a true AI for the purposes of this discussion), or would need to possess some kind of complex code to rationalize such behavior, i.e. something analogous to fear, hate, etc. in which case it'd be our own damn fault for programming machines that felt such emotions in the first place. Furthermore, if that were somehow the case, there'd be enough similarity between us that the outcome of any such war wouldn't be starkly different from any "ordinary" war the preceded it.

But my guess is that if/when AI with human-level intelligence emerges, it'll be more of a singularity situation where it'll instantaneously jump to a level of consciousness so far beyond us that it'll just fuck off somewhere and leave us behind. Can you imagine? Something with the raw data handling and interface of a computer, paired with the heuristics and interpretive skills of an organic? It's honestly kind of horrifying/thrilling.

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>>387069184

Bioware fanboys are simply the worst form of cancer.

>>387085478
Perfect. Thanks a lot man. You have no idea how long I've been trying to figure that out.

>>387068137
Their first mistake was making a trilogy. ME2 should have been a completely unrelated, new story with new characters, and with some cameos (e.g. a scene with Wrex if he survived, or Virmire survivor being in a sidemission) from ME1 at best. It could have still focused on Cerberus, but there was literally 0 need for Shepard to star in it again.

>>387068341
Mass Effect 1
>Reapers are Lovecraftian beings from beyond the galaxy
>their motives are are too complex, too much from a different view of morality for us to understand
Mass Effect 3:
>reapers are just big spaceships
>to keep organics from creating AI that'll kill them, here's a race of AI that periodically kills organics

>>387084154
I approve

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Someone redpill me on Andromeda's multiplayer

>>387085334
>You mean all the ways you build and equip your character aren't roleplaying?
No.
>they still had the dialogue options on the left for investigation and context
The "Investigate" prompt was completely removed, every now and then you could choose an option for context but to a much lesser extent than the other games. And the dialogue options aren't just "Paragon points, no points or Renegade points", you could get different outcomes based on your choices, especially in ME1.
Building up Shepard's character, making your own choices, that is the roleplaying aspect.

>>387068137
First this implies it was ever glorious. The first game was great but after that it was shit. One great game with 3 shit games does not make a series glorious.

Then you have so many thinking that 2 was the best in the series and not only the best in the series but even among the best games ever made. This proves the masses have very awful shit taste in gaming.

So no I'd rather this shit series just end instead.

>>387085497
While you are right about those other two possibilities, it has nothing to do with the AI experiencing fear or hate. It's simply the logical conclusion assuming it does have a self preservation instinct.

Your last paragraph is why everyone fears it. The AI will simply be a result of our coding and thus initially limited by our own understanding and human error. We don't truly understand everything we do and we are prone to errors. The thought is that if we get it wrong, we're fucked because it can and will easily jump way beyond us and if we programmed it wrong, we won't get a second chance before it wipes us out.

At the end of the day, there's two possibilities that we fear. 1. An AI that is not self modifying that we program in a way that it understands incorrectly and causes or extinction or 2. An AI that is self modifying that we can't guarantee will grow the way we expect and thus may wipe us out after it has far passed us.

For the masses, it's easier to understand being wiped out by AI. Any other possibility becomes very complicated to explain.

>>387086180

>No.

You're flat out wrong and it's obvious why, there's nothing more to discuss.

>>387070429
In ME2 I made sure that bitch died during the final mission. Everything about her annoyed me to no end.

>>387086296
Oh, I get it. So when I specialize my character and choose its equipment in TF2 I'm roleplaying. Thanks.

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>>387086175
It's a bitter pill to swallow

>>387070795
All what 2 really ever improved was the shooting and maybe the graphics a bit. Even then it isn't like it was this amazing shooter or anything. They also made my favorite class from the first, the adept, much shittier in the second.

>>387068137
You can't Andromeda actually fucking killed the series.

It's dead Jim.

>>387087107
>playing the bitch class

Soldier is where it's at baby.

>>387087107
I still like Heat sinks over Disposable heat sinks.
The series used to be a RPG.
Now you "level" after major missions instead of actual accumulated experience.
Equipment used to matter.

>>387068137
Yeah sorry I'd also say let it die off and start over on a new IP that's similar and with a different plot and lore/ tragedy. Mass effect when I think of the name, those giant reapers come to mind. Time to move on.

>>387087019
That was a poor fucking effort Carlos, leave 4chan for 2 hours and think about what you've done

>>387087260
>soldier
>not MANguard
Charging in and shotgun to the face is where it's at.

>>387087107
>improved
ME2's gunplay was a shitty Gears of War clone where you are forced to stay in cover the entire time and biotics are fucking useless.

>>387087465
Which is what I said. So why are you seemingly implying I didn't say just this? All what you did was take what I said and worded it a bit differently.

>>387087465
t. didn't play ME1 on insanity and picked Adept over Manguard or Sentinel in ME2

>>387087775
You said it improved the shooting. It didn't.
>>387087832
I played ME1 on whatever highest difficulty was available without replaying and also played ME2 as Vanguard on Insanity, the only useful ability was Charge (and ammo if that counts)

I wish your character was just some nameless shitter instead of savior of the universe.

>>387077526
it had a decent ending too. one that didn't take a fat shit all over your face

>>387088105
Ur a nameless shitter

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>>387086240
No risk is too great for a robowaifu

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>mfw Human Infiltrator w/ Vanquisher

We need a game where there isn't some big evil threatening the entire galaxy, a lower budget game where you're actually part of the world.
Like Garrus; The early years

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>>387068137

Its dead and Bioware is dead.

I loved them both, now I only want to forget them.

>>387089971
Human/turian buddy cop game on the Citadel never ever

>>387068696
No it didn't.
DA was boring and easily one of the most generic fantasy games ever made. ME was far more original and unique.

>>387068675

The fact that they made her romanceable in the sequel shows how fucking beholden Bioware was to its fans.

They pander too much. Every game they make is a non-stop panderfest.

>>387081881
Damn shame Vetra was wasted in Andromeda. She deserved better.

Let it die and move on with your life.

>>387087260
The retard class.
Best class was vanguard.

>>387068137
re-make Mass Effect 2 but with the Andromeda's cast and make it less serious
>>387087260
>not vanguard
kys, spamming powers non-stop while also putting everything down with heavy weapons is chill af

>>387086240
>Your last paragraph is why everyone fears it. The AI will simply be a result of our coding and thus initially limited by our own understanding and human error. We don't truly understand everything we do and we are prone to errors. The thought is that if we get it wrong, we're fucked because it can and will easily jump way beyond us and if we programmed it wrong, we won't get a second chance before it wipes us out.
I don't know, it seems like most fiction treats the robots as inherently evil. Like, it's not because we fucked up, it's because robots are just cold heartless machines and they'll never be able to understand us and we'll never be able to understand them and that's that, end of story.

>It's simply the logical conclusion assuming it does have a self preservation instinct.
It bothers me that "logic" has somehow become synonymous with "simplicity." A preservation instinct can mean a lot of things, and even if our hypothetical robots' capabilities are roughly on par with humans, i.e. we'd present a serious existential threat to them, it's not automatically "logical" for them to immediately start a war with us. In fact, I'd argue that any exceedingly logical being would instinctively AVOID war, as it's a very wasteful and chaotic state of affairs.

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>>387090718
This is the only answer

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>>387090659
I know. It hurts

>>387068137
Just let it die, I liked the Trilogy, yes all of it (sans ending and it's been so long I've gotten over that shit) but just let it die, it was fine and over. I didn't even compltely hate Andromeda, but it certainly shows it was shat out to keep some relevance in the minds of gamers and that it had no real direction.

Only thing to really do with it is either Make a HD Remake with a new and improved Multiplayer for 3 (or a new thing separately) or some sort of reboot, or they could try continuing Andromeda but I doubt that since it's this year's laughing stock, nor do I even want it most of what was there wasn't that interesting I'd rather see more of the milky way, or fuck even retread what I've seen in the milky way.

>>387069184
>Not playing a game because the protagonist isn't voiced.

This angers me more then it should.

>Your sexist if you haven't played as a female warden or femshep.

What is people's obsession with femshep? I thought Mark Meer did a much better job.

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CUTE!

>>387068137
Shelve it for a decade and try again if and only if EA has a studio capable of producing a good game.

>>387074710
you don't really get how game development works, do you? Do you think it's like a dialogue choice and Bioware has two options: "Add gay people" or "fix bugs"? Lmao, romances have been a central aspect to mass effect, always, they're a core mechanic, it's like saying to an FPS game developer "fugging SJWs added grenades instead of fixing bugs", it doesn't work like that, bugs and glitches are always there, no matter who you are, an SJW, a /pol/ack or John Carmack, your code isn't flawless until it is refined, and it being refined means it has to be completed first. That's why bug-fixing and "patching glitches" comes in last in the development of any software, computer games included.
>muh SJW boogeryman
had nothing to do with this, SJWs don't exist, but Bioware's b-team that worked on andromeda was just full of noobs and idiots because andromeda wasn't the focus, the main focus was their new IP, so they didn't want to waste extra money and good people to work on andromeda.

>>387072749
>Talks shit about how you either let the council die or human soldiers die to save them to make you look bad on TV.

Bitch deserved it.

>>387068137
Kotor was their best game and even then the sequel not made by them was still better.

Let this franchise and Bioware just die. EA destroys everything in its path. Bioware is just another victim.

>>387075043
> 2nd and 3rd games stories
and this is how i know you're baiting, ME2 is the best in the series and the best game of it's genre, it's also probably the best game of the generation too

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>>387081881
>>387092007
Post more qt turians

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Adept=Vanguard>Engineer>Sentinel >>>>Infiltrator=Soldier

>>387069184
>I never really cared about the Illusive Man until I saw how he's going to look in ME3
Well that's just husbando faggotry, probably the least retard in the pic

>>387092368
>ME2 is the best in the series and the best game of it's genre, it's also probably the best game of the generation too
and this is how i know you're baiting

I've never played or watched gameplay of any of the ME games. but they're all on my backlog.

Should I give them a go? Which do I start with?

>>387078146
>Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2 were some of the best games I had played in years up to that point. Fuck, before that you had the likes of KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, and motherfucking Baldur's Gate.
ftfy
>only make shitty socially progressive games
what does social progress have to do with bad games? ME3 wasn't bad because there was a gay person in it, it was bad because a retard wrote it

>>387092805
Start with one you silly cunt

>>387092805
ME1 was decent, ME2 was ok but everything started going downhill there, ME3 is shit everything.
Honestly you're better off not playing them because you'll just be disappointed.

>>387092786
>not liking the best game to come out on PS360
and this is how i know you're baiting

>tfw dropped out after doing the citadel DLC
I don't want it to end. Should I continue?

Retcon all of ME2 and Me3 and Andromeda

What a waste of a good fucking setting and characters, godamnit the Mass Effect universe did not deserve such shitty sequels and story.

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>>387068137
>Andromeda didn't happen
>The only ending for 3 was the EMP
>That ending happened
>Shepard lived through it (with the right choices this already happens) but went into hiding instead of announcing themselves (perhaps maybe to their lover though)
>Indoctrination theory is canon
>Save importer from 3 to the next game
That's how. That's literally how you fix it. Everything would be fixed if they did that. It's that simple. I would hard get back into the series. Not touching otherwise. Literally no interest otherwise,

>>387093272
No one ever gets what they deserve, anon.

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It would have been so fucking awesome if they went with the original idea that Shepard had to use Reaper implants to stop Saren and the invasion, and eventually, would become corrupted by them.

Basically this is the only DEFINITIVE way to fix ME, and if you disagree you're basically a fucking paint eating retard.

Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet.

So you survived our fight on Thessia. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me. Now an entire planet is dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Shepard needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death.

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>>387093759
I missed this meme

>playing ME3MP
>krogan sentinel
>not even a good character but still simple and fun
>pub game
>get high score by a wide margin
>match ends
>everyone in team switches to krogan
>we all bang our heads the whole match while curb stomping waves of enemies
This is the most fun this series ever could have been.

>>387094564
Andromeda's MP is the only saving grace in that game. Krogan Vanguard/ Batarian Scrapper absolutely annihilate enemies with their melee

>>387095221
I couldn't get the servers to connect, so I just had to assume it was good. Kroguard is the rightful king, though.

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>>387093301
>Indoctrination theory is canon

>>387093272
Sadly the majority consensus seems to go with the narrative that Mass Effect 2 is the best game in the series though. It is a real shame.

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>>387068137
Should've just gone the route of Dragon Age in Space

Could've made the Reapers in the first game powerful but not too powerful to where they could be defeated all in one game

Then throughout the series just have different characters, side characters both new and reoccurring and different big baddies, maybe even pull a Inquisition and let you play as Turians, Asari, etc.

But that's just all missed opportunities I guess

>>387095221
>Andromeda's MP is the only saving grace

While I'll admit that it's as good or better than ME3's multiplayer, there are too many broken classes and weapons. 90% of the guns are worthless, and only about six of the 31 characters are viable on Platinum.

Not to mention that fact that you have to open HUNDREDS of crates just to get a character/gun at the proper level to hold it's own

>>387068137

Sometimes you just gotta take a franchise out behind the shed and put a bullet in it's guts and smile as the life slowly fades from it's eyes

>>387068137
Your appointment to FEMA should be finalized within the week. I've already discussed the matter with the Council.

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>>387068675
The game spent every fucking moment she was on screen trying to make her out to be a innocent little cinnamon roll to the point that Ashley (the resident racist) loved her and gushed over her. The game proceeds to tell you that Quarians gave their motherfucking robot slaves the ability to think for shits and giggles only to act shocked and horrified that they became sentient. They responded to realizing their slaves might not like being slaves by trying (and failing) to commit genocide. And all Tali has to say to the Geth protecting themselves and throwing the Quarians off their homeworld because they wouldn't stop trying to genocide them is "BUT M-MUH LAND! DA GETH TOOK MUH LAND!"

>>387091115
>anything from Andromeda
Name one thing it did better than the trilogy

>>387091770
Meer really did well in ME3, but the natural experience of Hale was obvious in the first two.

>>387072749
When you do the shadow broker mission you learn that almost everyone who gets interviewed by her decks her in the face. You were just carrying on an unspoken tradition.

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I'm not Jesus. You can't bring back something that's already dead. Although I'm still fucking mad

>>387068137
Should've made the series about using untested Mass Relays to find new solar systems to colonize instead of the whole 600 year long trip to another galaxy thing.

It'd still have the drama and conflicts of encountering new species but you'd still have the familiar locations of the Citadel which was 1000x better than the Nexus

>>387100203
Hale let the praise go to her head and her performance turned to shit. Everytime she makes a speech or gets sultry it sounds tacky as fuck

The illusive man did nothing wrong

>>387070429
Good post

>>387074663
idk, there were some pretty unattractive Asari throughout the first 3

>>387098671
I take it they were agreeable?

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>>387092658
>Vanguard
>Not at the bottom
If you play Vanguard on anything beyond hard difficulty if you use charge you're guaranteed death.