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So.... This is how you game on PC...

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So.... This is how you game on PC...
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>>387037000
where is the fun???
nice trips also.
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>>387037000
god those football line drawings are hilarious
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>>387037000
Dota2 at the olympics when?
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Not sure what you're trying to say here
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Gracias purge
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>Post-game analysis = playing a game

?
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>>387037000
Weatherman purge is always on point.

kys
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>>387037687
League Of Legends is already almost there.
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Taking video games to that level of seriousness is just so fucking pathetic, guys in suits doing a post match coverage like some crazy shit happened, except it was just 10 fat dudes sitting behind a computer.
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>>387037000
Telestrators are rad and Purge is dreamy.
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>>387038083
Taking sports to that level of seriousness is just so fucking pathetic, guys in suits doing a post match coverage like some crazy shit happened, except it was just 22 fit dudes kicking a ball.
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>>387038083
compared to american hand-egg except it's just 11 fat dudes bumping into each other.
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>>387038183
>winning 10 million dollarydoos is pathetic
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Gotta love it when your producer forces you to show off some tech they bought despite totally not needing it.
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>>387038083
as opposed to football? Sorry I mean "soccer"?
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>>387038240
They are still kicking a ball around
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>>387038083
THIS.
If it was on console, it would have been fine.
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>>387038190
nice plant
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>>387038290
Will anyone remember you after you die?
Will anyone care?
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>>387037000
haha good one op, epic
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>>387038083
You are on a video game board, talking about taking vidya too seriously?

Please fuck off
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>>387038190
What's this and where do i get it?
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>>387038083
Taking board games to that level of seriousness is just so fucking pathetic, guys in suits doing a post match coverage like some crazy shit happened, except it was just 2 slav dudes sitting behind a desk.
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>>387038393
probably yeah
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>>387038393
quick, tell me the name of the top runner in the 500 bc olympics.
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>>387038393
Americans cannot remember their presidents, why would anyone remember some meme jock who threw a handegg far?
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>>387038240
>I game for money
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>>387037000
this looks ridiculous

i can imagine what things like these do to the target audience of mobas

>mom you don't understand, im a cybersportsmen! Look at these very serious men in suits talking serious business! It's the real deal right here, not your stupid job or college
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>>387037000
goddamn I hate e"""""sports"""""*
it's fucking pathetic as all hell
>hurr durr i maek bideo game into sprutz XD


*Editors note: e"sports" aren't real sports
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>>387038460
>Taking war to that level of seriousness is just so fucking pathetic, guys in suits doing a post battle coverage like some crazy shit happened, except it was just 2 dudes with shiny uniforms sitting behind a desk.
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>>387038538
this looks ridiculous

i can imagine what things like these do to the target audience of football
>mom you don't understand, im a sportsmen! Look at these very serious men in suits talking serious business! It's the real deal right here, not your stupid job or college
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>>387038083
i was at a bar yesterday. there were 100 people watching the finals. it was fucking awesome.
fuck off.
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>>387038538
Inb4 "just like footbal DUH HUH" "real sports are the same duh huh" there is no point talking with these people
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>>387038083
>This is the kind of faggot normie that fits in on this board now
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Why do white people have to be so cringe?
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>>387038538
>>387038601
I don't really get /v/'s obsession with trying their hardest to be cool alpha hip normalfags when we all know they're mouthbreathing greasy fat asses
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>>387038608
So because a lot of people do it, it's fine ?
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>>387038538
Well as long as it pays, if you're talking about the dudes in the webm.
The audience though on the other hand, just use it as a reason to play more video games probably
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>>387038585
lined up for the Olympics though
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>>387038624
you say that because you can't refute that point. that's the entire reason you're downplaying it like it's not a valid point. physical movement doesn't make a game not a game.
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>>387037000
>>387038080
love how dota streaming is like real sports
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>>387038650
>Chin chong pyang yen
>white
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>>387038682
because it's fun and i enjoy it it's fine
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>>387038183
>>387038601
damn this dude loves his eatsports
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>>387038601
football is a game you play with other chad's in your neighborhood, getting fit, breathing fresh air, moving around, socializing, all in all a healthy activity. And when all the chad's grow up they usually stop caring about this shit

it's nowhere near as destructive of an activity as dota or lol are.
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to be honest i have no idea whats going on when i watch dota
maybe that can help the audience that's unfamiliar with it i dunno
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The future.... is here.
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>>387038083
The biggest offense is how it's about a casual cash grab game for the biggest retards. Seeing Day9 there just hurts.
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>>387038771
>And when all the chad's grow up they usually stop caring about this shit

what is this dreamworld you speak of?
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Is there a MOBA that's
>balanced
>fun
>not ruled by e-sports meta garbage
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>>387038771
This is why I game on console, and not on PC.
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>>387038743
Oh yeah, well Asians want to be white anyways
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Love the big grown bois ITT pretending to le cringe
Wish I was that serious and mature. I already gave up on reading books, it's all made up anyway, lol
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>>387038862
heroes of newerth
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>>387038767
damn this dude loves his sports
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>>387038862
>Is there a MOBA that's
>fun
no

closest thing is Battlerite
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>>387038771
No chads still like football when they grow up.
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I never get the big draw to the PC master race shit. Does 4k and 120fps really matter that much to people? I've never noticed a difference past 1080p and 60fps.
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>esports has ruined plenty of games attempting to be "esports"
>it's just a bunch of nerds in ill fitting suits trying to be adults while commentating over a boring game
esports makes me want to be an anti-capitalist desu
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>>387038393
Sure. I got aspirations to make a groundbreaking tech that'll make me a household name. Like Mark Zuckerberg, except with an actual point. Like Elon Musk, except less god's gift to mankind.
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>>387038926
Who do you think all the beergut dads are?
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>>387038876
>that bulge
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>>387038862
Any game that's good enough that people actually want to win at it is "ruled by e-sports meta garbage". That said if you're just queuing for 0 stakes games online you can do whatever you fucking want. Dota isn't like Overwatch where people will report you for choosing something shitty. They'll just bitch and moan in chat.
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>>387039012
Sorry let me rephrase that,
>No, chads still like football when they grow up.
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>>387038996
its not that bad you are overreacting
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>>387038958
>PC gaming
more like GAYming, if you catch my drift.
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>>387038717
>sports are healthy
>sitting in front of a pc for 12 hours a day isnt

easy.
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>>387039009
>groundbreaking tech
>Like Mark Zuckerberg,
FLINCH!
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>>387038996
Most of the prize pool comes from players and spectators chipping in. This tournament is literally socialism.
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>>387039119
it isnt healthy at all especially not football
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>>387039119
playing football for 12 hours a day non-stop wouldn't be what you call "healthy" either.
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>>387039009
its a shame that you will end up doing nothing and being a massive failure
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>>387039107
>its not that bad you are overreacting
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY GAMES HAVE BEEN FUCKING NEUTERED DUE TO CHASING ESPORTS
HOW MUCH MONEY WAS WASTED ON SHITTY TOURNAMENTS FOR TWITCH "PROS" WHEN WE COULD'VE GOTTEN MORE CONTENT
ITS THAT BAD
FUCK YOU CUNTS
ESP DOTA AND LEAGUE FAGS
KEEP
YOURSELF
SAFE

>>387039178
Good point, I'm anti-socialist now.
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>>387039184
football players usually fuck 9 years old prostitute so...
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>>387037000
They have this in F1 for ages now.
This just goes to show what young people dont even have a tv let alone watch it.
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>>387039119
oh, and by the way....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_players_with_chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy
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>>387039243
that's not the subject of discussion at all you mongoloid
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>>387037000
>all this elaborate set-up for what essentially is a neutered RTS game with 90% of good content and variety taken out

I fucking hate the modern PC online scene
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>>387038958
No-one cares about 4k, but 120fps is nice in games where you're trying to follow objects moving on trajectories in 3d.
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>>387038789
This, these analyses aren't for the people that play/understand the game, they are for the people that don't
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Purge is a 5k shitter pseudo intellectual whose gonna be replaced by real pros who are 3k mmr higher than him. Glad I won't be hearing from him soon.
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>>387039280
>this is what AOE2fags actually believe
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>>387039270
What is then?
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>>387039280
you never played dota
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>>387039236
sounds like those devs were retarded and had unrealistic expectations
i don't see why you are whining about dota and leage they are old games and had long established scene already
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>>387039408
He's arguing that it's not a sport if you're sitting down and can't get career ending injuries.
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>>387039280
this
why do dotafags think their game is so complex
they're easily the most annoying posters on /v/
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>>387039370
>AOE2fags
No, just people who used to play games before 2005. Remember DoW? Warcraft 3? Starcraft? CoH? Countless others? Right, didn't think so.

>>387039465
Why would I play W3 with 90% of shit taken out? I mean, seriously.
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>>387039501
Why do people who have never played dota think it's so simple?
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>>387039501
THIS
Nothing like Dark Souls.
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>>387039408
about the supposed lunacy of having such serious post match analysis shit for a videogame
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>>387039280
Do you literally not understand what Dota is?
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>>387039481
ehh as long there is huge crowd encouraging this shit it can be whatever they want.
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>>387038538
Talk about the money and parents will shut up because people become more jew as they get older.


>mom, you dont understand, im a race car driver! I know you think i am just driving a car around but i make money!

>poker
>esports
>ping pong tournaments

it really doesn't matter what some fuck think its a job or not or what's a real sport. Its gonna get attention as long as it generates income.
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>>387039536
>Why would I play W3 with 90% of shit taken out? I mean, seriously.
Yeah, because the build order in W3 was sooooo complexe!
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>>387039562
Which is basically the mindset of people who are shit at games.
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>>387039547
>I HAVE TO DEFEND DOTAS HONOR
>HOPEFULLY DENDI WILL NOTICE ME XD
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>>387039536
maybe if you mention that dota is a mod again it will mean something
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THIS is what real gaming look like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1-HvQcBeJM
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>>387038862
>Esports meta garbage

Literally none of this shit matters in any moba until you are at least at top 10% of play.
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>>387039613
Build order is just one part of the gameplay of a proper strategy game, where you have both micro and macro. Both base building and strategic movement of units, everything is within these two systems working in unison.

What the fuck do ASSFAGGOTS have? One map type, gangbanging is encouraged, all you really need to do is control your unit and spam abilities at the right moment.

Anyone arguing that ASSFAGGOTS are somehow more complex than a strategy game just because they also involve some strategic thinking is a straight up retard, given that a typical RTS game has ONE ADDITIONAL LAYER of complexity that an ASSFAGGOT misses.

>>387039675
It started out as a mod of W3, yes. Where's the problem exactly?
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>>387039070
Actually it's only games that have constant "balance" patches designed to fuck with the relative strengths of myriad characters, items, and overall strategies that have "meta"stasized cancer. However it just so happens that ASSFAGGOTS is an entire genre of metastasized cancer. When their devs stop releasing patches the games are basically solved within a month.
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>>387039761
Looks like someone wasn't around to see the Sniper/Troll Warlord apocalypse two years back.
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>>387039117
Considering all the people who are so adamant about it being the 'objective superior choice' i think you're right, they're just gay
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>>387039536
>Why would I play W3 with 90% of shit taken out? I mean, seriously.

Because it's an entirely different style of game, being built on the engine doesn't make it an RTS.

>>387039818
If ASSFAGGOTS are so simple, why aren't you winning the big bucks at a TI? just go gangbang and spam abilities and win some big money.

Or hell, go win at fighting games, all you do is throw fireballs and punch dudes and then you win!
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>>387038190
is this where the g-spot is?
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>>387039818
protip: W3 was 90% focused on the heroes system.
Dota just make it 100%
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>>387039818
Can't you put in your head that 2 different games have 2 different skillsets needed? Cooperating with 5 different people running around a map is very different from 1x1 mindgames.
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i figured this out. ITT /pol/ tries to ridicule and downplay the role of esports because Kuro "The Sword of Allah" Salehi Takhasomi who just happenes to be a MUSLIM EUROPEAN has proven himself to be the best captain in the history of Dota and got 10 million richer.
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>>387038083
>stop being passionate about things

t. grinds 50 hours for an achievement
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Jesus fucking Christ Dota is literal cancer. There needs to be a rule that if you play this shit game you're banned from /v/ forever.
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>>387039818
>ASSFAGGOTS
>ASSFAGGOTS
>ASSFAGGOTS
woah, coherent speech right there.
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>>387038839
Dota2 is anything but casual.
Fuck /v/ cries about how hard the game is all the time.
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>>387039954
THIS!
Real gaming is Yakuza 0 and Kingdom Heart 3.
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>>387039918
I figured this out
/pol/ has nothing to do with it

every /pol/ user is a retard but not every retard uses /pol/
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>play-by-play on Warcraft 3

lol
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>>387038876
Yes, real Chads like us only use the best consoles
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>>387039119
Sitting in front of a PC for 12 hours and the worst you can get is carpal tunnel syndrome.

Playing football and at best you skate off with a few bruises and ligament injuries, at worst you get legit brain damage and die.
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>>387039119
handegg causes all kinds of brain injuries long term, and that's suggesting that you avoid the countless muscle tears and broken bones you can suffer throughout.
Shit, one of the most famous handegg players shot himself in the heart because he wanted to make sure people could study his brain and find out how handegg ruined his life in order to prevent others from the same fate
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>>387039884
>it's an entirely different style of game
It's LITERALLY Warcraft 3 with most of the interesting shit taken out. It cannot even have more than one map type which in and out of itself is pretty fucking pathetic as far as game dev goes. W3 was a strategy game at heart, in spite of its problems and smaller design issues.

>>387039903
>Cooperating with 5 different people running around a map is very different from 1x1 mindgames.
No shit, I'm just saying that MOBAs are boring as shit and there's infinitely higher potential in developing the proper strategy genre, not this cancerous garbage that everyone is trying to replicate in spite of the fact that nobody will ever really care aside from LoL and DOTA.

>>387039884
>If ASSFAGGOTS are so simple, why aren't you winning the big bucks at a TI?
Because kids and casuals flock to whatever's most popular at the time. CS:GO sucks shit as well as an actual competetive FPS, and yet that's also popular. Happens. I don't play either garbage, I don't find it fun.
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>>387039818
few things amuse me as much as the eternal butthurt of rtsfags. dota is infinitely more complex than your autistic goocklciking apm contest because its a team fame based on team interaction, synergy, foresight, prediction and most of all strategy. this is why every sc2gook that tried dota has been an utter failure much like the game genre itself.
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>>387039884
The engine doesn't define the genre, but the fact that they have literally the same mechanics and control scheme does. Dota is literally Warcraft 3 with everything but heroes cut out, then that sole system was stretched out and bloated a hundred times larger.
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>>387040269
>dota is infinitely more complex
>hit random mobs to get levels
>oh there's a faggot from the other team running around
>gangbang.bik
>rinse and repeat
complex as fuck
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>>387038862
battlerite

5 heroes are pretty balanced
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>w-we're athletes too
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>>387040278
what defined the game was the ease of use of the editor that allowed for a thriving modding community that produced quality content which quickly became far more popular than the base game itself and some of which eventually outlived it. it has nothing do with warcraft
>>387040364
>spam pre-memorized build order
>a-move your army to the enemy's side
>click on buildings until they died
complex as fuck
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>>387040461
Pretty sure he's literally dying of a strange muscle wasting disease.
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>>387040364
You can be reductive about anything.
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>>387040461
DAS RITE
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>>387038862

Someone explain to me why i see this chick literally everywhere but i don't know who she is.
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>>387037532
They're doing the same thing the League guys did where they didn't know how to properly use it and not just circle random shit
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>>387040523
>look, I-I can also greentext!
The fact that you can viably win matches in Starcraft by cannon spamming or worker-rushing early on (admittedly, not against a good player, but that's a different thing) already means that it's more complex than a random ASSFAGGOT, where you pretty much have to hit mobs at the beginning and do the usual mundane shit.

>>387040563
I'd reduce ASSFAGGOTS to the ground forever if I could, and people would thank me in the long run. I've been there before you fucking faggots, I've played online PC games before 2007 rolled around, so don't presume you can argue with me about this shit.
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>>387040582
except NFL linemen are incredibly athletic
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>>387038736
Nothing will ever top TI3 and TI4 group stages
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few things amuse me as much as the eternal butthurt of dotafags.

>HERPADERPA LOOK MOMMY THEY MAKE MONEY IT MEANS I CAN TOO!
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>>387040680
>where you pretty much have to hit mobs at the beginning and do the usual mundane shit.


You never heard of roaming supports and early push strategies. Please, don't be so sure about your opinions when you visibly don't know what you're talking about.
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>>387038240
You can make serious money sucking dick on film. You should look into that, it wouldn't be pathetic
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>>387040461
to be fair to marn he had some vietnam leg disease that a top hospital couldn't even diagnose

(don't look into it)
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>>387040680
your comparisson make no sense

you dont build buildings in dota and your borders are already defined
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>>387040680
you can five man mid or minute zero rosh to gain an inital advantage and you can do that agianst good players with success as well. you can block creens and realease a big wave to bum rush a tier 1 tower skip t1 and farm creeps behind the tower to suffocate enemy carry. there are billions of variables to how laning stage goes but you wouldnt know about. you have no idea how dota actually is played, all you have is a vague idea of a stripped down warcraft and eternal butthurt arising from the belief dota has killed your beloved genre while it was the fact that the genre in itself was an inferior competitive platform.
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>>387040206
>It cannot even have more than one map type
They can and do, Dota chose to have one because of the massive amount of effect on character balance which is a big deal when you have as many characters and team comp possibilities as Dota does.
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Is this the moment? When you realize that you're officially too old for the /v/ demographic, where they're unironically defending moba e-"sports"?
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>>387041059
>can't present an arguemnt
>s-stop disagreeing with me y-you causals
its about time you've started pretending you've been trolling all along
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>>387038862
>balanced

You mean when you can always win? Since you cry about balance I will say not.
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>>387038736
Retards at Valve wanting to make e-sports serious business ruined it for me.
TI2 - TI4 were incredible.
Now the event is so boring to watch
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>>387041059
I don't understand how you can be enough of a video game nerd to post somewhere like here and be squeemish about competitions to see who is best at them.
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>>387041217
>defending moba e-sports
at least have some sort of dignity
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>>387041059
Eventually everyone reaches that point, but yes.
Halfway through 2017, and we have fags calling crash "crash souls" and fags defending esports.
Thanks trump.
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>>387041295
Competitions, yes.

E-"sports" where they start acting like they're the NFL, no. This would've been laughed at here ages ago, before the young ones started showing up.
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>>387041278
are you being contrarian on purpose or are you legitimately retarded? dota right now is supremely balanced in comparison to the fuckfest that were the years before ti6. with the exception of grand final ti3 had the msot boring meta imaginable, endless ancient stacking, rat dota, endlessly ricing cores. dont get me started on ti4 memepush deathball. look how many lineups and startegies are viable now. playmaking heroes dictate the tempo of the game resulting in an exciting displays of skill rather than who can can right click the most creeps competition. 98% heroes were picked this TI, no single hereo seemed to be blatantly overpowered, the games were great all the way to the grand final.
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>>387040671
How are you supposed to use it?
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>>387041787
this person dont like everything about it is no point trying to explain
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>>387038083
Fucking this. It's so damn pathetic.

It's like guys in suit are analyzing and taking serious a group of fat autistic grown up men building shit with legos
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>>387038457
seconding, dont give a single fuck if it costs like 600 dollars, ive spent more on less yes,
that's a ps3 joke
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>>387041968
It's meant more for like, drawing lines of attack and stuff, just circling something for emphasis isn't much better than just pointing.
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>>387041787
I wasn't talking about the game itself. I was talking about the hosts in the event and the in-between matches shenanigans.
The matches are much more fun I agree.
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>>387042049
there's a 25 million dollars prizepool awaiting those fat autistic men who can build the best shit with their legos
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>>387038190
Link to onlineshop now...
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>>387042167
Yeah if you watch good analysis of like american football they use it to show stuff like movement and the evolution of a play etc instead of just circling things you're talking about.
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ITT: it's totally ok everything is justifiable and perfectly great because $$$
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Why is it so hard to accept that Dota 2 is the best game
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>>387038743
pls source
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>>387038634
supporting """""esports"""""' is more normie than you think based redditbro
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>>387038862

HoTS probably
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>>387041278
esports ruins everything
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I first started playing dota when I was like 12
I kind of wish I no-life'd hard enough to win 10.8 million dollars
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>>387042049
>>387038083
The whole thing screams tryhard and NOTICE ME DAD, I AM RESPECTED. I wouldn't call it cringe material, but reeks of desperation for recognition by society as a "serious" commentator job. I don't hold it against them and I don't think they're in it for the money per se, they just want to change public perception.
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>>387038083

What is it with /v/ acting like a bunch of self hating normies? you are impressing anyone. Esports are no different from sports nowadays, get with the times gramps or fuck off.
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>>387041217
what's the name of the original video for this girl? if I just search for blacked I can't find it
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>>387042651
It's pretty much the same as the little kid who sees his dad shave or wear a tie and wants to do the same because he's also a "grown up"
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>>387042568
I wish. Blizz has ruined that game trying to be esports. Abathur is enjoyable though.

>>387042651
>The whole thing screams tryhard and NOTICE ME DAD, I AM RESPECTED
Trying to imitate their daddy's favorite sports channel ruins the comfy that games normally have. I'd much rather see a bunch of guys in pikachu onesies casting.
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>>387038190
crazy how this thread is interesting enough to calls for source of this item are going unanswered

please help, google isnt doing shit
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>>387042651
almost every player who get interview basically says his parents are shitting on their heads until they get the money from ti
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>>387038608
how do they handle it when the cringeworthy panel segments come on? I just mute it, I can't imagine watching day9 or kaci and slacks being awkward infront of other human beings
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>>387038393
People who are excited by posthumous fame forget that the people who remember them will soon die too. And those after them in turn. Until their memory, passed from one to another like a candle flame, gutters and goes out. But suppose that those who remembered you were immortal and your memory undying. What good would it do you?
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>>387043051
boomers are pathetic
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>>387038083
It's not pathetic when you see much they're paid.
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>>387039501
They're on the same level of autism as Meleefags (but at least Dota has more than 4 usable characters).
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To be honest the footage does look a little too tryhard-y without the twitch chat spamming "thanks purge"on the side.
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>>387037000
THANKS PURGE
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>>387043519
>esports is going to be mainly chat free in the future so 'sponsors' dont get triggered
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>>387038083
I agree on this.

It gets specially sad when you see guys past his 20s talking about fucking kids playing.
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>>387043732
how the fuck is this any different than traditional sports
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>Hating on Purge

The guy has one of the most modest personalities. Fuck off.
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Isnt Purge like 5k?
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>>387039861
>people copy popular strategies
this happens in literally every multiplayer game
not even limited to video games

not like its a problem either. people copy pro strategies, but lack the understanding and especially the teamwork to execute them properly, so it's really fucking easy to pick some kind of pubstomp cheese and punish their numerous mistakes like crazy.

>retards pick sniper every game because he was popular at TI
>dont realize that the hero is extremely dependent on having a team that constantly provides him with vision and a frontline to keep enemies away with him
>pick literally any decent ganking hero with high burst damage and kill him over and over again
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>>387043759
/v/ makes fun of trad sports all the time
literally where the fuck do you cancerous fucks come from, defending esports, twitch streamers, and trad sports????
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>>387041059
yes, you are too old, you fucking behind the times washed up old freak
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>>387044016
I dunno. Maybe we have some kind of live and let live attitude instead of foaming at the mouth everytime we see something we don't like.
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>>387043825
He was 6k at some point, I believe.
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>>387044121
>Maybe we have some kind of live and let live attitude instead of foaming at the mouth everytime we see something we don't like.
what is this new age twitter cancer
jfc how boring
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>>387038913
It's like I can almost hear the crumbs mashing further into your keyboard with each keystroke leading to th3 same response each time. It's okay though, one day you'll realize that video games are just that, they're not a sport. And then you'll also realize that you've wasted your whole life, not enjoying games, but being a disgusting fat body that leaks maple syrup. And that anon, that is When you'll finally kys.
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>>387038743
source?
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>>387044016
What is wrong with defending esports?
Or did you miss the memo with Korean hour?
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>>387041426
The average age of dota players is like mid 20s.
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>>387038083
As long as the money is real, the shit you do for it is real.
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Why are the only topics that never get shat on:

1) Nier
2) Undertale
3) Non-vidya topics
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>>387042889
anyone? please?

I searched blonde, blacked, glasses, didn't find anything
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>>387044352
The average birth year of dota viewers is like 2003
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>>387044218
Isn't it tiring to be so mad all the time?
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>>387044432
I totally believe you.
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>>387039119
I'd rather has less muscle mass then my brain fucked into pudding from handegg.
One of those things is fixable and the other is not.
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>>387044432
is that your birth year
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>>387044432
>inb4 fake news

https://www.esportsbets.com/998/who-makes-up-esports-community/
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>>387037000
i'll stick to watching real football (soccer)
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COH2 is fun.

Play that.
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>>387037000
>207 replies
>i'm making another one

Fuck you OP
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>>387044563
>participants for Call of Duty are on average the oldest
DOTAFAGS CANT STOP GETTING BTFO
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>>387040909
I'd respect someone who made 10 mil sucking dick honestly
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>>387038083
Bait/10. Good job you got many (yous)
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>>387038083
>LOL fucking gamers amirite?

Fuck off Polygon
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>>387044443
Isn't it tiring having to defend things and people online that don't give a fuck about your existence? Let loose once in awhile babe.
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>>387040680
>I'd reduce ASSFAGGOTS to the ground forever if I could, and people would thank me in the long run. I've been there before you fucking faggots,
badass!
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>>387044708
I'm not defending anything. I'm attacking your juvenile attitude towards things you don't like.
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>>387041059
This!
True gaming means VNs such as Persona or Undertail.
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>people mad that others are getting money from doing what love and other people are supporting them
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>>387041059

Yes, fuck off gramps.
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>>387038958

>I never get the big draw to the PC

People said the same shit about 16mb of ram. The garbage you see on consoles today was capable on a pc from 8~ years ago. And the garbage you'll see in the consoles of the future will be capable on PCs from now.

New tech is new tech and there will always be a place for the cutting edge, consoles are bargain bin gaming systems so of course you can expect a draw to the more capable shit.

It's going to be nice to see AMD's zen on future consoles.
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>>387042385
The past 5 years or so they've gotten worse at it and circle something rught before they switch camera angles though. The art of telestration is dead
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>>387044816
I'd rather work on a salt mine than having to comment retards playing mobas.
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the more /v/ hates e-sports the more i watch
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>>387044610
It work everytime, but I admit I need to find new ideas.
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>>387040636
She's a twitch streamer and general attention whore. As far as those sort of people go she's pretty alright though, she got more popular on 4chan because she was at HWNDU in New York.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K7nJpH-B_s
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>>387044781
>I'm not defending anything.
>but I'm defending esports from your opinion
*claps*
truly the warrior esports needs
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>>387039881

Well that's good that their 'superior choice' makes them so happy I guess.
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>>387041059
i'm only 21 but this is all new shit to me. e-sports is the fastest growing cancer and all these underage summerfags are defending it with their lives because they're too mentally deficient to understand real sports or play real sports. i bet 90% of people posting itt is overweight.
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>>387045010
>have retarded opinions
>get corrected
You're welcome
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>>387038608
>it was fucking awesome
You sound like a faggot and need to get off this website.
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>>387039560
Time to make a dark souls moba
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>>387045063
esports no-lifers are 90% skeltals though
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>>387038083
>all these /v/edditors triggered by this post
>m-muh e-""""""sport""""""
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>assfaggots
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>>387038743
>We will never have a source for this.
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>>387041059
I'm trying to figure out what happened. How did /v/'s userbase change so drastically from just a few years ago that the board is now collectively promoting these e sports. We never had threads about ecelebs are esports. Nobody ever talked about them. Where the fuck did these people come from?
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>>387045167
Unlike us anons right!!! Are you excited for the new Kingdom Hearts????
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>>387042385
they did, they used it to show potential creep pulls and how the offlane could counter the pulls. also where ganks did and shouldve come from and when. just not every game, and only ones that had a lot of movement early instead of static lanes
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>>387045142
well either way we can safely say that they're not normal people
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>>387045226
Some years ago moot stickied a TI thread on /v/. Maybe you're the newfag.
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>>387044431
Elsa Jean. Welcome to /v/.
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>>387045335
>Couple years ago
A couple years better be before 2007.
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>>387045226
Even before Dota 2 got big there were threads about SC2 esports and ecelebs often.
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>>387044432
I'm glad I was born in the 80s, kept me from being a Minecraft/MOBA fag.
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>>387045395
I think it was TI3 or 4? I don't rememer. So 5 years ago ish.
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>>387042493
>>387044308
>>387045198

I found sauce in literally less than 30 seconds.

You fuckers need to stop being so pathetic and learn to reverse image search.
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>>387038083
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>>387042481
>counter strike
>remotely hard

Lmao, it's literally a game for cheaters. Even in tournaments. How is this garbage hard?
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>>387045108
badass!
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>>387040680
you can crush people with tower rushes in WC3 and castle pinning in AOE2, theres always a basic strat that can work, even at the highest levels if used as a surprise tactic and dont correctly
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>>387037000
Please no bully Purge he a good autistic boy.
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>>387045226
it's mostly redditors, 9gaggers or people from funnyjunk who came here from those sites because of 4chan memes that were posted there. the vast majority of people i know who browse found out about this from those sites and meme pics. they start of in /b/ and end up flooding here too.
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>>387045369
I'll bust a nut in your honor anonymous, be blessed with whatever fetish your heart desires
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>>387038240

Even sport fans agree how much they get paid is bonkers.
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>fighting games are autistic
>MOBA are casual trash
>RTS are Korean APM races
>Modern FPS are streamlined shit
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>>387042493
>>387044308
>>387045198
https://exhentai.org/g/951967/77586e65b4/
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>>387039370
What is your problem with AOE2 you cocksucking faggot?
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>>387045649
as spoken by a true shitter
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>>387038083
fpbp
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PC is the DRUMPF plateforme.
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>BAAWWWW people are making money playing video games! They should work a real job like me at McDonalds making minimum wage! Why don't these people do exactly what boomers tell them to do?
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>>387045653
>spoonfeeding

how do you expect these fags to learn
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>>387045297
For something like LoL and Dota, doesnt this just boil down to drawing the same stuff for every single game? Like, people in lane are always gonna do the same stuff. Junglers always gonna jungle and gank in mostly the same way.
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>>387045859
it's console gamers, don't bother.
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>>387038487
Your'e an idiot it's not the same because it was only people from greece or rome or w.e and whoever they wanted to invite. Now it's actually international and with the internet videos and other records can be stored.
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>>387045887
Never play LoL but in high level Dota contesting the jungle and pressuring the lane are different from game to game, since the map is too big to have perfect defense and offense everywhere
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>>387045541
>game is easy
>people have to cheat to win

I don't understand how these two go together
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>five 20-ish guys just won 10 000 000 dollars and are basically set for life
>more than your entire family will make in 3 lifes
>h-haha thats so pathetic! those guys are probably virgin losers xD
the jellyness is real
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>>387045887
junglers arent a thing outside of pubs, the jungle is terrible at the moment. and depending on the offlane and mid, ganking might not even be viable. and if you have say a lich supporting your ganking options are severely limited as he has no lockdown. if a carry is losing his lane or is unable to lane because of high rotations from the opposing team or theyre a melee against an offlane like tide/bristle/ds then theyre going to have to move to jungle or completely swap lanes with the middle.
'the same game' argument does apply in low mmr pubs, but higher its anything but samey
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>multiplayer game online
>it's easy!
>it's hard!
how does that even work, since it's multiplayer? It only depend of the playerbase.
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>>387046195
>Jelly
No sorry, I have something he can never have, a proper head of hair.
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>>387045887
generally the better you get you more efficiently you can do things, your laner might start jungling between pushed lanes or even rotating for a kill because he knows the spawn timings of creep waves better.
Also there are different playstyles like trying to end the game in 15 minute or trying to delaying until your carry becomes unkillable, things like that can create different scenarios in how the lanes play out (like if there is more fighting or farming, more ganking or 4 protect 1)
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>>387045226
Spotted the redditor
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>>387045695
>lmao dude 1vs1 me i'll wreck u
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>>387046195
Shittiest GF btw. Even TI4 was better at that
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>>387046287
>what is hair transplantation
if he cares about it enough, he can afford it
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>>387038862
unironically paragon
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>>387046423
I will. In probably every last one of those genres because I blame my own skill instead of the game for losses.
>>
What can all us esteemed /v/ers agree on?

1) Making money from games is shameful
2) Being interested in games is okay, but being passionate about it is shilling
3) Companies shouldn't make money from games
4) Non-physical competitions are not real - it's fake
5) Liking video games publicly and god forbid, watching game competitions with other people is mental illness
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>>387046461
well, gh and mindcontrol were too strong for the chinks. at least semifinals were pretty good.
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>>387046461
THREE

QUICK

GAMES
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>>387043125
I would shat on my soon if he wanted to be a professional (e)sports player, no matter the (e)sport.
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>>387046681
Fuck off, dad. You're not welcome here.
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>>387040135

While I'd rather sit then suffer daily physical trauma(American Football among other sports) you can get a long list of serious ailments from sitting for so long.

Simply put the homo sapiens sapiens body did not evolve to spend such a ridiculous time sitting and any time you put in to interrupt that will keep you healthier.
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>>387046610
Yes. That seems like a very reasonable set of axioms. However you forgot the most important of all:

Stop liking what I don't like.
>>
I don't understand Dota or league of legend and I'm not assed to learn. fuck off with these dumb games
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>>387042167
Yeah no chance in hell that guy might need the circles to better explain something.
There is no right or wrong way to use it you autist.
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>>387046809
That happens for everyone regardless of playing computer or not. I would say that as professional gamers, I am 99% sure they hire proper help (diet, physio etc) to make sure their gamers stay as healthy as possible. It is extremely easy to avoid injury.
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>>387043073
between games everyone ordered beer and talked so it wasnt a big deal, but there were some "what the fuck are they doing, jesus" moments

kaci following them to the bus was pretty fucking hilarious, everyone talking about how awkward that was
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>>387038240
dumbest retort I've heard today, inform yourself before you spout random bullshit. You're a clueless monkey, don't reply to me
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>>387047240
or what?

double nigger
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>>387046809
fuck off Cleve.
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>>387037000
Someone post the weather anchor webm
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>>387039215
As stupid and evil as this comment is, I’m not going to delete it or ban you (yet) because it’s a teachable moment. You have two possible paths ahead. Right now, I guarantee you that anon has more courage, compassion, brains, skill — actually more of every positive human quality than you. So take their path -- you could learn from them, and try to challenge yourself, to give back, to add something from the world. Or you can stay on your path, and keep being a sad, pitiful, jealous internet troll who adds nothing to the world but mocks anyone who does out of small-minded jealousy. I know what you really want is attention, so let me be clear: if you choose to keep going this way, no one will ever remember you
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>ITT: reddit getting triggered by Purge's weather forecast
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>>387045226
Reddit.
I'm not even memeing.
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>>387038083
> that level of seriousness is just so fucking pathetic, guys in suits doing a post match coverage like some crazy shit happened,

I unironically feel this way about sports. They throw the ball around and smash into each other or dance like fairies into a hoop or goal and we are supposed to be excited by this? I never have gotten it

People get excited by things, it's just the way of things
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>>387039370
Is that the new Neogaf logo?
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>>387042935
what the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>387041059
>>387045226
People have been telling you that since 2007 you stupid fucks, and then again in 2011, and most recently in 2014. You're here because you like the slow slide into bullshit, you would have migrated somewhere else otherwise.
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>>387041059
I'm 23, been here since 2005. Cant imagine getting this pissy over threads about esports. Scroll past it faggot
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>>387040680
Its ok to be wrong man.
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>>387038876
A female made this I can feel it
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>>387045226
alright let me explain this to since youre retarded. society has changed in the past 5 years. Talk to any small child and they wont tell you about a TV show or cartoon network. they'll tell you about their favorite youtube channel and youtuber. They also like streamers. People that were 12 when Skyrim came out are now 18 years old. The world has changed and you got left behind.
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>>387037000
purge looking great
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>>387038083
this is true, nothing really matters
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>>387048541
Me too I watch Rick and Morty!!
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>>387048605
if you dont have kids you are a waste of space and resources
>muh overpopulation
yeah dude you shouldnt breed
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>>387037687
A product can't be part of the olympics. Maybe if they make dota public domain it has a chance.
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>>387038083
$22 mil prize pool
like it or not this is a serious competition and people dont take it lightly
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>>387037000
thanks purge
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>>387040671
Didn't League get it from Dota, actually? Or did League do it first?
I remember Valve debuted using this thing with Purge at TI6 and then shortly afterwards, some League people started using it too. I remember it because I remember seeing Purge tutoring those guys on how to properly use it on twitter.
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>>387037000

You don't need to have a sport, a game can be commented too. If you can comment poker, you can comment Dota
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>>387037000
They used the same app on presidential elections, its' from microsoft afaik
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If you don't get e-sports you're old.
>b-but it's retarted
>b-but-

No, you're just old.

Older generations don't get the stuff younger generations are into. It's nothing new - it's always been like that. You can't change it, you can't stop it - you're just wasting your time. You're an old man yelling at a cloud. Don't you see how ridiculous that is?
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>>387038083
This, thought I was in a vidya cringe thread. Esports is a parody of itself
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>>387037000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsu3mSPXtj4

Purge is /ourguy/ desu, don't talk shit about him
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>>387048928
I fully get esports.
It's still stupid.
Much like all of your comments itt defending it unnecessarily.
Do something else with your life like actually playing games or at the very least creating videos instead of sperging out over opinions.
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>>387048359
>people that were 12 when skyrim came out are now 18 years old

jesus fucking christ


the issue with "e-sports" is that they don't have any physical activity. You might go "hurr well so what grandpa" but its a fact. E-sports have no masculine essence to them whatsoever. In an actual Sport, there's so much more emotion and HEART involved because you're in physical stress the entire time. Look at great moments in sports history, like the matumbo finger wave or GSP doing a fucking backflip after Armbarring Matt Hughes
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>>387038514
Except we can, eurocuck

>>387038862
>playing MOBAs ever
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>>387047889
thanks for the kek
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>>387049217
>Do something else with your life like actually playing games or at the very least creating videos instead of sperging out over opinions.
t. someone currently sperging out over esports instead of playing video games
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>>387038083
People take other equally involved things just as serious. Do you lose your shit whenever you see a chess or poker tournament as well?
There is a bunch of money in E-sports now? Why wouldn't they take it seriously?

How are competitve videogames less worthy of focus that hitting a ball into a hole or driving a car in circles really fast? The worst thing about our generation is that it became cool to not be passionatr about things and I'm glad the next generation aren't picking that up.
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>>387049387
being passionate about driving a car really fast is respectable because there's DANGER in it. Most people laugh at golf so its a joke that you mention that. Same with Poker.
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>>387037000
ayy lmao
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>>387049602
>being passionate about driving a car really fast is respectable because there's DANGER in it
>being passionate about kicking a bull in the nuts really fast is respectable because there's DANGER in it
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>>387049223
No emotion? Really?
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>>387037000
why do you like to watch someone else playing videogames? do you like to watch someone else having sex with your wife in front of you?
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>>387049602
"Most people laugh at it"
Most people smoke. Is smoking now good?
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>hate where esports is taking gaming because it means less and less games are getting the user creation tools that allowed for all sorts of fun gamemodes / maps / mods / all sorts of shit including some of the biggest esports that exist today and any that do have them are massively shunned because the entire direction of the game is focused both developer and community wise on a very specific way to play the game.

>but any complaint about esports must mean you're a normie who doesn't want DOTA2 on ESPN or some other bullshit
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>>387049223
>no emotion
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>>387049697
isnt that what spaniars do tho
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>>387049823
Your mom is some kind of spaniar yeah maybe.
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>>387049602
That's retarded though. Sports are respected because they are feats of skill. Not because you pointlessly put your life on the line for no reason. That's never respectable.

Should we start handing out congressional medals to sky divers? Should the losing teams in DOTA matches be dropped into a shark tank when they lose so it can be "respectable"?
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>>387049223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa6WgeRvgWI
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>>387040461
Marn is a disgusting human being on the inside and outside. Pic unrelated.
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>>387049223
>no masculine essence
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>>387038083
More like 9 Korean kids and 1 fat asian thats either jap or chink
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I fucking hate esports, but I mainly hate the competitive mentality that's come with it. In games like Dead by Daylight where it's designed to be competitive it just creates the most hostile and tryhard environments and it just isn't fucking fun.

Even in casual games like OW I'm reluctant to play in anything but QM because ranked is so stress inducing because it's either I'm causing the problem and feel shitty, or someone else is causing the problem and I'm annoyed.
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>>387049953
>>387049819

Compare that to Daniel Cormier getting knocked out by Jon Jones. It's not even comparable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJMIvFe9OZg
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>>387049810

There's absolutely no reason why what you say is mutually exclusive
It's just retarded developers displaying brazen incompetence on the rise as usual, because they have nobody to make clones off of.
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>>387049223
>tfw Bulba trying to do loser's interview stuttering through the tears
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>>387050035
>stress inducing
I thing it's just not for you honestly, doesn't make it bad.
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>>387045885
>reverse search on google
>2 pages of 4chan threads
>0 links to actual sauce
>all threads are just filled with "no spoonfeeding"
???
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>>387050063
Those tears are more real than Bulba's?

Fuck off faggot. You're being arbitrary and retarded.
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>>387049217
no you dont get it. If you did you wouldnt complain. You are scared because you dont understand, scared because you are left behind
You dont have to enjoy esports. But your strong postion against it tells a lot how jaded you are towards current trends. Dont worry old man. It'll happen to us as well.
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>>387049917
>feats of skill
partially, but there's also a physical toll every single legitimate sport has that you can't get from video games.

No, it doesn't mean you should add arbitrary things like shark tanks to dota, are you fucking retarded?
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>>387049223
>no essence
But that's wrong.
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>>387050217
one of those men lost a fucking video game tournament, and one of them got knocked unconscious in front of millions of viewers including their family.

You think they were even similar situations? are you actually so disconnected from reality that you think that?
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>>387050063
http://www.gosugamers.net/lol/news/27122-former-ahq-korea-marksman-promise-attempts-suicide-following-matchfixing-scandal
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I love PC gaming!
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>unironically believing in evolution
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>>387050171
How do you not get upset when your rank is dragged down due to elements that were out of your control? I can understand it in fighting games or RTS, but not with MOBA games.

It should represent individual skill level, not luck in matchmaking.
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>>387050315
Yes they're similiar. Both are professionals working hard all year to do their very best at a tournament, only to fail.

I'd be bawling my eyes out as well, it's a fucking natural reaction and it's the exact same reaction.

>hurr he got hit in the head so he fell over, now that's true sportsmanship
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>>387050364
I love PS4 gaming!
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>>387050363
>some retard chink is suicidal
>the same as legitimate sadness

mental illness and sadness / heartbreak are not the same.
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>>387050269
he collects essence because there is none
checkmate atheists
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>>387050413
Reminder that the only constant factor in your matchmaking is you
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>>387050427
You don't have a legitimately competitive bone in your body. Being PHYSICALLY BESTED is far more demoralizing than losing a fucking video game, no matter how much effort you put into that video game.

If daniel cormier and jon jones are in a room alone together, cormier KNOWS that jones can literally kill him with his bare hands.

this faggy bulba guy is just a nerd who lost a video game and is sad because he put in some effort.
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>>387050527
That's complete horseshit.
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>>387050413
The idea behind Dota is strategy, so you should play with a team you know (or you get very very lucky in matchmaking, yes).

But I get your point completely.
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>>387050495
How do you collect something that doesn't exist?
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>>387050527

Reminder that you can get matchmade without any consideration for teamwork and that will fuck the match over completely.
see: Splatoon 2, and try to refute me nigga

A "bad" matchmaker isn't a whole lot different from a "good" one, and there's no perfect game or developer.
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>>387050596
How the fuck is it different? It's all going on in your head anyway. Physically bested my ass. The dota players got physically bested too, at least that's what the chemicals being released in their brains are telling them.
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>>387050596
>PHYSICALLY BESTED

Being mentally bested isn't even an option for them though.
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>>387050614
No. It's an undeniable fact.
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>>387038227
or sheep bladder ball where its 11 sissies rolling on the ground pretending to be hurt
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>>387050035
>In games like Dead by Daylight where it's designed to be competitiv
stopped right there
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>>387050718
how the fuck is it different? Have you EVER been in any sort of physical fight? jesus fucking christ man. Are you a woman?

>the dota players got physically bested too
There's almost no mechanical execution required in DOTA compared to real sports.
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>>387050730
>being mentally bested isn't even an option for them though

so you haven't seen Demaian maia? its not physical skills that he wins on , its 100% due to technique. largely the same with Mayweather.
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>>387038083

There's nothing wrong with watching a competitive video game tournament if you like video games, just as there's nothing wrong with watching a competitive sporting event if you like sports.

Referring to these competitive video games as "sports" is a mistake though.

Remember when words had meaning?
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>>387050856
So chess is not a real sport?
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>>387050856
How's that even relevant to your own argument?

Do you even have an argument?
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>>387050447
Why Dark Souls, and more importantatly Bloodborne isn't a sport? It's the epitom of difficutly and skills.
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>>387050793
Not him, but no, it isn't. It's the most relevant factor and if you are always losing the problem might be you, but it's hardly constant unless you are implying that people never learn anything.
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>>387050364
some of those games are fun so idk what this image is trying to convey
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>>387050940
Gee it's as if the e traditionally prefixed stands for something.
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>>387050934
Technique is a mechanical skill. Has nothing to do with strategy.
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>>387050364
wrong pic my dear friend
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>>387051024
What are you talking about? The only player in all of your games is you.
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>>387050364
>>387051034
>>387051130
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>>387051130
Nier is $4.99?
What? How?
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>>387050941
No, chess is not a real sport. It's an incredible GAME, though, and chess players deserve respect nonetheless just like video game players at the top level do.

>>387050965
My argument is pretty clear. There are far more serious consequences and more legitimate physical mechanics going on in sports that separates them from games. A result of the physical mechanics is far more emotional impact on both the athletes and the spectators.
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>>387040671
>>387048836
Dota did it first during TI6 :)
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>>387051047

The word "esports" implies that it's a kind of sport, if you ask me. But go ahead and call them esports if you want, as long as you admit that esports, despite the name, are not a subset of sports.
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>>387051097
You can't implement grappling technique without a specific strategy. Especially since Maia constantly uses different tricks to get people into a seatbelt position.
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>>387039661
Sick argument famalam, you showed us all.
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>>387037000
everything was fine with TI7, with the exception of Day 9
>chinks BTFO
>nearly every hero used
>exciting matches
>Slacks sketches actually decent
>2 hero reveal
7/10 thanks to Day9, though HYUKposting helped ease the pain
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>>387051213
why can't I like things that I like?
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>>387051034
obviously making it look more weeb than it is (no Endless Space 2, No Call of the Wild, etc.)
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>>387051229
>. A result of the physical mechanics is far more emotional impact
I thought we already established that this doesn't follow. Losing is losing. Your brain doesn't care for this difference.
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>>387051312
Hm fair point I guess.
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>>387051024

This
Taking my Splatoon example, if you want to have a go at Charger for a certain map rotation, but wind up sucking at sniping and can't deal with close quarters, you are jeopardising your rank and will be stuck with worse off players if you persist instead of going with safer alternatives.

However, the game won't match you based on your weapon into sensible teams, it's just a fucking matchmaker. Those things just blindly, automatically pick players out of a list for you without invites or conversation. They cannot and will never replace verbal shakedowns on the time, place and rules between members of a community.

Likewise, it's impossible to make a matchmaker that takes into consideration your ability to play heroes in Dota and match for team comp, nor is it possible to accomodate custom maps or certain playstyles in shooters. The key to good games is to offer alternatives to ignore matchmaking altogether or at least privitise it (see: Mario Kart's communities feature, a matchmaker for invitees to queue and play whoever is also online in that group for the sake of fun)
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>>387051310
If you ask me, sports are about competition, not physicality. You've got dumb shit like skeet shooting and equestrian at the Olympics for fuck's sake.
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>>387051235
yes that's what I was saying smileyposter
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>>387051229
Isn't football just a game as well? And basketball, and soccer, and tennis ...
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>>387050364
>inflating the list with weebshit that no one cares about
Very nice.
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>>387051329
>3-0 finals
>literal who Chinese hordes
>good
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>>387051367
No, you claimed it like a retard because you've never done a physical sport on a moderately serious level.

"losing is losing your brain doesn't care for this difference"

Your brain definitely cares when one man beats the shit out of you in front of millions rather than beats you at an ASSFAGGOTS
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>>387050596
And you've never been at the top competitive level where everyone tacitly acknowledges that at some point, having fun with the sport can only help you win. You don't have to like what you do, but the guy who likes what he does tends to do better, and when you're at the top you need every edge. This invariably means that the only people to reach that level of competitiveness tend to be likeminded nerds that are good at that one thing, who have more in common with eachother than mouth breathing violence/drama worshippers like yourself. If they were actually in a room together, they're more likely to joke about what happened or just talk about the game. Anything less and they're probably not dominant in their field.
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I want purge to sit on my face
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>>387051484
all sports are games, but not all games are sports.>>387051447
yeah but most people wouldn't consider those sports, the olympics is based on making MONEY. They even removed some of the OG sports due to lack of marketability.
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>>387051432
If your reference in online games is Splatoon, then it explain a lot of things.
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>>387051148
Yes, but it's not a constant. Anyway. The point is that it is a dumb generalized statement that attempts to put all blame on the player. Consider a game of pure luck where you flip a coin. Not really your fault if you are constantly losing, is it? It's very far from being an "undeniable fact".
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I'll always find it hilarious that Dota is literally everything /v/ wishes for out of a game (complex mechanics, hardcore difficulty, no pay2win) yet you have nufags coming in pretending to be oldfags by shitting all over it. Meanwhile League and especially recently Heroes of the Storm are labeled as "fun" and "comfy".

Chances are if you hate Dota, you're what's wrong with modern /v/.
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>>387051516
Actual research that you could link?
You talk as if you had a degree in neurochemistry but since you are on /v/ I don't think so.
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>>387051575
>if they were actually in a room together, they're most likely to joke about what happened. Anything less and they're probably not dominant in their field

oh so you're a naive retard. I've actually been at the top level in amateur wrestling. With some guys you can just laugh and joke around, some people you legitimately hate. There's tons of actual fights between athletes, but you wouldn't know that since you're a fucking nerd who watches DOTA 2 and thinks it's a sport.
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>>387041059
You have to be pretty young to think 'stop liking what i don't like' is an argument against anything.

I don't like esports either, but I don't care if other people like them. Just like I don't care about regular sports either but I'm not calling for them to be banned forever or something.
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>>387051601
Who are "most people"
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>>387044653
Then you should respect Megan Fox.
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>>387038083
Sigh... here's your (You). Now please fuck off.
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>>387046090
But gaming doesn't wanna be an ESPN mainstream sport, or Dota doesn't atleast. They tried it a couple of years back and got terrible feedback.
So the argument here is, will everyone remember the best rugby players atm in 200 years? Probably not. But will people who are into it remember? Probably. Just like esports
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>>387051724
The average american above the age of 15

>>387051663
not sure if there's actually research comparing mental effects of competing in a physical sport / combat sport and people who play DOTA2, as there shouldn't need to be one.

If you need scientific research to realize that one is incredibly different from the other, you're a lost cause.
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>>387051696
>top level
>amateur
???
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>>387051696
>Top level amateur wrestling
>Has amateur right in the name
Take a clue, dumbshit.
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>>387051628
If you flip it enough times you'll reach a 50/50 average

If you enter the matchmaker enough times, your teams will reach an average of skill.
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>>387038083
And one poster on 4chan with a significant impact on our species as a whole.
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>>387038083
taking art to that level of seriousness is just so fucking pathetic, guys in hipster clothing doing a post draw analysis like some inspiring shit happened, except it was just one insane mental patient with a brush.
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>>387051816
pro wrestling isn't real retard. Amateur wrestling is olympic wrestling. I shouldn't have said top level. Top level on a state scale, I'm no olympian.
>>387051823
yeah you're also a retard who just exposed himself as not knowing anything. amateur wrestling IS the top level of wrestling, including the olympics.
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>>387051804
>americans
Okay. Opinion of "most people" discarded.
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>>387038083
Fuck off newfags

Old /v/ hated eSports
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>>387038083
put me in the screencap!
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>>387051624

Not sure what your argument is but it doesn't debunk "it's literally the exact same as e.g. CS:GO"
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>>387049602
Most people are also retarded, so....
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>>387051872
I mean you aren't wrong
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>>387048359
We need another world war.
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>>387047537
>aS sTuPiD aNd eViL aS tHiS cOmMeNt iS, i'M nOt gOiNg tO dElEtE iT oR bAn yOu (yEt) bEcAuSe iT’s a TeAcHaBlE mOmEnT. YoU hAvE tWo pOsSiBlE pAtHs aHeAd. RiGhT nOw, I GuArAnTeE yOu tHaT aNoN hAs mOrE cOuRaGe, cOmPaSsIoN, bRaInS, sKiLl — aCtuAlLy mOrE oF eVeRy pOsItIvE hUmAan qUaLiTy tHaN yOu. SO tAkE tHeIr pAtH -- yOu cOulD leArn frOm tHem, aNd tRy tO cHaLleNgE yOuRsElF, tO gIvE bAck, to aDd sOmEtHing frOm thE wOrlD. Or yOu cAn stAy oN yOur pAth, aNd keEp bEinG a sAd, pitIfUl, jeAloUs iNtErnEt tRolL wHo aDds nOthiNg tO tHe wOrLd bUt mOcKs anYonE wHo dOes oUt oF sMaLl-mIndEd jEaLouSy. I kNow wHat yOu reAlly wAnt iS aTteNtiOn, sO lEt mE bE clEar: iF yOu cHoOse to kEep gGinG thiS wAy, nO onE wilL eVer rEmEmbEr yOu
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>>387051916
we've been infested by reddit
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>>387050204
Use better reverse image searching. Yandex instantly gives the results.
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You know e sports probably wouldn't be half as cringy as it is, if it were not for the commentators and announcers.
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>>387037000
>that lag between his swipe and the screen actually drawing the line

If I were him, I swear to god I would've punched the screen in a fit of autistic rage. There is something that I hate more than that sort of unresponsiveness. Seeing that in OP's webm brought back terrible memories of old PC's I had 10+ years ago that would have the mouse cursor lag on screen due heavy CPU usage or something stalling.

I am triggered so hard by that.
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>>387049602
Are you implying that there isn't danger in taking yourself away from a real life full of potential and scorning all of your friends and relatives to play a fucking videogame for a living, because that's way more realistic than dying in a car crash on a race track
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>>387051827
The average does not matter in your case. What matters is the result that you actually got. There is still variance. What if I never play enough games so it "evens out" eventually. How many games does it take anyway? 10? 100? 1000? There are a lot of factors you have minimal influence over in a team game.
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>>387052219
nothing I hate more*
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>>387052148
As someone else said, competition is ok, but being fucking try hards that absolutely want to reach ESPN level of coverage and broadcasting to get a bit of recognition is pretty fucking sad.
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>>387052251
most people who play video games on a top level never had "a real life full of potential" or "friends"
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>>387051804
>not sure if there's actually research comparing mental effects of competing in a physical sport / combat sport and people who play DOTA2, as there shouldn't need to be one.

Logic alone is useless.
There is a science about that, it's called math.
Only useful when applied to something else (like physics).
You need research to support any claims.
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>>387052274
If you never play enough games, then no, you cannot expect computational matchmaking to work. It's a statistical tool, nothing more.

If you never play enough games, then you aren't good anyway, so who cares what you think?
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>>387052310
What a huge claim for a little nobody.
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>>387052335
Go fight in a local MMA promotion or boxing promotion and get your ass whooped a few times. Then go enter a regional game tournament and lose.

report your findings you fucking beta fagot.
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>>387051213
>t. PUBG-playing redditor
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>>387052442
Fuck off Chad. Nobody cares for your fucking posturing bullshit here.
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>>387052442
It's not my fault that you are uneducated.
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>>387052543
so go conduct some research bitch boy.
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>>387052712
The way you talk reveals that you wouldn't understand it anyway.
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>>387052442
Physical fights more or less force you to care about it because being punched in the face sucks.
If you actually cared about videogames (I really don't think you do from everything that you've said so far) the gaming tournament loss would be just as mentally scarring as the MMA loss.
Like, if you go into something expecting a loss (MMA promotions for most nerds), you're not gonna be kicking yourself on monday about "oh why didn't I punch that guy harder", you know that those guys probably practice a lot more than you and are better than you at it. On the other hand, if I were to lose a local dota tournament I'd be fucking pissed since this isn't that big of a city and knowing that some lil shit who probably picked alchemist to cheese my ass won the whole thing would have me fuming.
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>>387052424
>If you never play enough games
You don't know how many games it takes and you didn't get my point. Another example. Consider a game with a massive amount of players like 10000 on each team. Your influence on the game is practically zero. Do you think it would be possible to be stuck in a low/high league because you keep getting matched up with people which are worse/better than you due to your MMR? The matchmaking algorithm isn't smart enough to determine whether you are a good player beyond winning and losing. Or imagine you used to be a bad player because you just started out, but you improved over time.
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>>387039215
the jealousy starts so early
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>>387038608
>"I was at a bar with other dumb dick riders watching other dumb rich retards prance around a field while I drink BEER and try to hit on women unsuccessfully and scream things like "wooo" "yeah baby"
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>>387052884
easily said about you thinking "losing is losing" and the context of a physical beating and a dota 2 match aren't relevant
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>>387050364 Who allowed you to skip Princess Maker 3 and Suicide Guy?
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>>387052930
No. Not if you play enough games. The quality of your opponents and allies will average out, and the only constant is you.

Sounds like you're trying really hard to come up with some constructed scenarios where you're not to blame for your own losses, friend.
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>>387052930
>pubg isnt real
you're actually so salty dude
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>>387052971
You really think your MMA faggots (who literally make a living getting their asses kicked every day) would cry over a little slap? Come on. It's because they're competitors, and so are the dota fags. You've no argument.
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>>387038862
dota2 .
seriously. i stay away from ranked play and do nothing but play single draft. i recommend this for new players too. you get to learn all the heroes over time and instinctively learn all the roles to play because dota has much more roles that just carry, tank and support. heroes excel at diffrent things for different matchups and in singledraft i have yet to encounter russias, brazilians or other tryhards. on the contrary ive met only chill people and players who actually have fun. just yesterday i played with a kotl that went into full roleplay mode and sexually herassed a naga siren on the enemy team never breaking character.
it was really fun. especially because the naga siren played along.
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>>387042971
> I wish. Blizz has ruined that game trying to be esports. Abathur is enjoyable though.
what does that even means?
like, really, whats so wrong about a game trying to get into e-sports?
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>>387052963
Please do not insinuate other people to be Sean "day9" Plott. It is highly insulting.
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>>387050204
>>2 pages of 4chan threads
>>0 links to actual sauce
>4chan threads

did you even think to check those you retard
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>>387052971
You make claims for which renowned neurochemists wouldn't have an answer.
Do you expect anyone to take you seriously anymore?
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>>387053148
>would cry over a little slap?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8jUW3NPRm8
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>>387053053
Answer my question ... or don't. It appears there is no point in talking to you as expected after making such foolish statements as "This is an undeniably fact."
>>387053092
>salty
I don't play multiplayer games so I'm not sure what your point is.
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>>387053259
Shit battlestation
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>>387038240
The players are only getting 25% of that
So each player only has 500,000 minus taxes
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>>387041059
i have been here for like 7 years or some shit.

please give me a good argument against people playing dota2 competitively and getting some media attention and a good prizepool.
i just don't get what's wrong with it.

do you have a /pol/tastic ideology that affirms nothing that doesn't encourage young men to be fit and active should be legal? in that case i can kind of support your argument, but otherwise i just don't get what you could have against it.
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>>387053279
>after losing
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>>387053148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqWa2dtFmBg
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>>387044218
I know /v/ was filled with rage not so long ago, or maybe you're just a faggot who thinks you're cool for masquerading what you so in ebin rage comics, but most of us have learned the futility in being pissed off at every little thing.
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>>387053293
I answered it with a resounding no. Can't you read?
>but what about this theoretical game where nothing you do matters
I mean dude? What?
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>>387053406
and?

yeah its because they're competitors, but the competition is literally their brain on the line. Their LIVELIEHOOD. not a fucking tournament prize.
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>>387053293
ok
you really want this in "maths" because regular talking ain't good enough?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_variance
The games that have you in it are grouped as group A
The games without you in it are grouped as group B, the control group
with enough games, we can use ANOVA to measure your impact on the game, regardless of how many other players you have to play with/against.
Now git gud (jk hows your run of trails of cold tits coming along I love the new PC release)
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>>387041278
matches are better than ever but hosts and casters are so fucking dull and you can feel that gaben holds them by balls
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>>387053432
>after losing
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>>387053391
retard 10kk is 25% you fucking moron
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THENKS PURGE
NOW ABOUT MY PUBS

post your favorite rare Day9
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>>387038083
MY NAME IS AKUMAR OF THE AKUMAR CLAN AND I LAUGHED.
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>>387053510
Nigga if winning ten million dollars ain't a livelihood then you're delusional. Those kids drop out of school to practice dota, just like your mma fags dropped out to get hit in the head.
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>>387053569
again, losing in THIS context means physical injury in front of millions rather than "shit man, he beat me at a video game"
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>>387053649
Winning ten million dollars is a livelihood in a different meaning of the word.

I'm saying their actual BIOLOGICAL LIFE is on the line.
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>>387053738
Come now anon. You don't even believe that yourself.
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>>387053681
Then literally any other sport that isn't about fighting is just "shit man, he beat me at kicking a ball around" see? you can ridicule anything that way
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Esports is a joke - Sad!
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>>387038083

ironically, the people with this mentality are the ones taking things way too seriously. Let people have their fun God dammit
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is there an actual argument for video games in the olympics? mostly from what I've seen it's neckbeards whi think that they will get laid if they become an Olympian
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>>387053681
Losing at TI gets you booted off your team while a thousand redittors talk shit about you for months after. Seems like there's somethign on the line for them as well.
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>>387053738
Then football isn't a sport because their biological life isn't at risk? what about tennis? no risk of death no sport?
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>>387053840
No, since even in those games serious physical injuries occur all the time . Football and soccer have huge concussion rates.
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>>387053885
http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2017/08/10/paris-se-dit-ouvert-a-l-idee-d-inclure-l-e-sport-dans-les-jeux-olympiques-de-2024_5170865_4408996.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/m-perso/article/2017/08/11/les-nouveaux-metiers-cyber-athlete-professionnel_5171447_4497916.html
the future is here.
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>>387038083

Taking football to that level of seriousness is just so fucking pathetic, guys in suits doing a post match coverage like some crazy shit happened, except it was just 10 black dudes standing in a field
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>>387053932
tennis you can tear your ACL, MCL, shoulders, etc are all extremely easy to injure if you aren't skilled or make a single mistake.

>>387053887
yeah but its mostly losers who care about fucking dota and reddit. its not comparable.
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>>387043787

I made him cry on youtube once
That was fun. It was after Zephyr got btfo
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>>387053496
>theoretical
It's an exaggeration to demonstrate something. Do you understand that this can be useful even if it doesn't happen to that extent in practice? You still didn't understand my point. What if "enough games" is equal to millions of matches which nobody can possibly play? You are assuming matchmaking that can perfectly assess your skill. I don't even disagree with what you want to prove which is that even in a teamgame mostly the player himself is responsible for his matchmaking. Your initial statement is just terribly arrogant.
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>>387053376
>Tournament edition Keyboard
Mah nigga!
Looks fucking comfy bro.

Only thing that would make this setup better is if the coffee was black.
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>>387053885
What sense does that make though? Top esports dudes already get mad pussy.
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Dota is LITERALLY /our game/
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>>387054032
It is comparable. Being on a strong team is extremely important to these players. If they don't perform at the single most important tournament of the year, then the career is in real danger.
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>>387054156
>your career is in danger

compared to
>your brain functioning past the age of 50 is in danger
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>>387038083
For all the people that replied to this by comparing it to real sports.
Do you actually think paying fucking Dota at a high level takes the same amount of dedication and coordination as something like soccer?
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>>387053947
>>387054032
Yes but that's not the point of the game and injury is an accident not the result of losing, you're not trying to win the sport to save your life or save yourself from injury.
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>>387054094
My statement is simply that the only constant factor in all of your games is yourself. It's not controversial, and it's not subjective. It's fact.
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>>387054145
I want Fear to manhandle me.
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>>387037000
Where can you actually watch this kind of "sport"?
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>>387054213

Well it was his choice to take up a sport that involves permanently damaging yourself. I don't see what makes it more special.
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>>387054215
they unironically do. They're completely unaware of what actual sports require compared to sitting at your desk for 18 hours a day playing a video game by clicking a mouse and 5 keyboard keys
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>>387054145
2 ez 4 rtz
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>>387054145
>Sharteezy
>being relevant
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>this thread
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>>387054213
Oh, so because they're willingly retarded enough to choose a career where they get the shit beat out of them, their emotions are more real. That's your argument, then?
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>>387054252
>>387054145
Post feardick.
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>>387054215
>>387054303
>That feel when video games are over taking regular sports

you mad, old man?
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>>387054215

>Soccer

The easiest to play and easiest to access sport in existence? Anyone can play soccer
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>>387054295
>I don't se ewhat makes it more special

the entire point of my argument was that its more emotionally engaging for both athletes and spectators to watch people under that level of pressure, and that the level of pressure / emotional weight makes it completely different from dota 2.
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Why are sports faggots so insecure?

There's already an 'e' in front of the term so you know it's not physical.
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>>387054365
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Are esports /sp/ or /asp/?
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>>387054215
Honestly let them believe, it's all about wanting society's recognition, "look i'm playing that super serious video game that's got high level competition, just like chad and his football, please give me attention i'm an athlete" yeah more like a fathlete
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>>387054145
Kek
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>>387054349
if you think the added pressure of that doesn't multiply the amount of emotion in the process and the result, you're brain dead

>>387054431
>talking about insecurity
>when you try to label a video game as a sport so that girls don't laugh at you as much.
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>>387054215
Dedication and coordination is a joke, sport or not.
Try beating 100 people orgies, now that some dedication and coordination.
http://porndump.me/top-10-most-epic-orgies
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>>387054341
Yeah, basically this.
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>>387054303
>it's not hard work and dedication because they're sitting down
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>>387054454
>soccer
well, I guess at least, he isn't a nignog.
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>>387054446
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>>387054249
Except it's still not a constant.
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>>387054598
yeah go do a few sessions of Judo and BJJ and then play dota 2 for an equal amount of time.

Tell me which one is hard work and dedication to be doing 5 days a week.
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>>387054496
And I've shown you that there's tons of pressure on Dota players as well.

But nooooo. It's more real because you get slapped a little. Fuck off.
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>this thread
>bump limit
congrats OP
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>>387054671
I feel like im talking to somebody missing half their brain. You think Dota is a sport though, so im not wrong.

Again, its more real because there's actual existential pressure rather than a bunch of virgins on reddit talking shit about your video game skillZ
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>>387054496
How low IQ are you? No one sane is saying is saying it's exactly like a physical sport, it's more in the dimension of chess/go. The people you are responding to are trolls if they claim that it's the same as an NBA game.

How are you not insecure when you are posting in this thread? I can feel it through the screen how much you hate that people are competing at things and taking things seriously that aren't physical sports.

This entire thread is just /sp/ shitposting, it should be moved over.
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>>387054664
I challenge you to train to beat me (not even a pro player, just me, a random /v/ faggot) in a 1v1 game of Starcraft.

It's going to take you a while, but you are likely going to give up.
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>>387054754
So you're back to the "their LIVES ARE ON THE LINE!!!" hyperbole again?

Fuck off.
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>>387054671
is lawn maitnence a sport? Is brick laying a sport? is poker a sport?
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>>387054763
>i can feel it through the screen how much you hate that people are competing at things and taking things seriously that aren't physical sports

no im just shitposting because I'm stressed out from exams tbqh

>>387054805
nah you'll probably whoop my ass, just like I'd whoop your ass in any sort of physical contest.
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>>387054626
How so? You let other people play on your account or something?
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>>387038083
>Start competitive multiplayer game
>Start having lots of fun on it
>Put a lot of hours into it and get better at it
>Realise there's a big professional scene with lots of money behind it
>Aspire to get better at game to try and become professional
>Become professional and earn lots of money playing a game you enjoy and are passionate about.

How's that miserable office job working out for you, anon?
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>>387054892
If they do so competitively, I don't see why not.
>>387054984
Ok, Chad, and why's that? Because I practiced it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsfIHiBB6xE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCAw7PhMAUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAgpchnixVQ
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>>387055095
Yeah, you practiced it, I never said it literally takes zero effort. But again, its not comparable to an actual sport.

one also has real life application.
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>>387051650
retweet nigga
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>>387040135
>only thing you can get is carpal tunnel syndrome
Nigga look up sedentarism
There's a reason you occasionally see those people who were doing nothing but sitting in a cafe playing video games for hours to end up having a heart attack or aneurism.
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>>387054892
whoops >>387055160
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>>387055197
Holy shit. All sports are meaningless games only put on for entertainment. There's no inherent meaning in any of this.
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>>387055247
>philosophy of nihilism proves that anything and nothing is a sport

I hate post modernism
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>>387055247
sports utilize and hone physical attributes that are transferable to other skills including survival skills (cardiovascular health, agility, etc)

starcraft makes you really good at clicking a mouse really fast and knowing arbitrary functions
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>>387055361
Survival skills? Do you live in a cave or something?
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What's up with the desperate attempt to act like normies today? Why the hate on Esports? Shits actually happening and you self loathing pricks are afraid that people will not like it as much as "insert sport here". You guys don't actually hate it, but you're just projecting what you think the average person will think about it. In reality though I know a lot of people that actually follow DotA as much as they do football/basketball and several who instantly became curious after seeing the prize pool for TI. I don't even keep up with Esports or anything myself anymore, but damn guys.
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>>387050063
I sure do love watching half naked men beat the shit out of each other and increasing their chances of getting dementia due to repetitive head trauma.
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>>387055421
"hah who needs to actually be a functioning man, i live in society! Muscles and physical usefulness aren't needed. Hey honey, when's Jamal and Tyrone coming over?"
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>>387055361
critical thinking and quick reflexes are required for esports
is that not as applicable in real life as physical health?
>survival skills
get fucking real
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