How do we fix the MMO genre?

>>386985165
>lost isles
>WoW vanilla login screen.jpg
No it's not.

Let it die.

A genre centered around getting as many people to play as humanly possible as a basic means of getting shit done has always meant that it will inherently appeal to the lowest common denominator. It's a genre that could never possibly be sustained over a long enough period of time. People, like myself, who got to experience it early on really experienced something special, but that time has long since passed.

Literally can't be fixed. WoW set a benchmark, and any attempt at something new will invariably be compared to WoW and subsequently marginalized (EVE being the only exception).

Best that can be done is to just play old modules in NWN1 online.

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>Tfw im getting that MMO itch again

w-what should i play

>>386985165
Stop making the same shit gameplay over and over and over and over and over again.
Bring more action into it

>>386985165
Remove the money.
The Jews will then remove themselves.
Otherwise find a final solution for the Jews.

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>>386985705

Remove tanks. All classes have ways to reduce or negate damage. Some can take more punishment than others, like paladins. Others rely on parries or dodging. Everyone can heal themselves, either through magic or by retreating to a hiding spot to use items. Dedicated healers could still exist, to make life easier for the squishier classes and for resurrections. Remove the "standing around waiting for cooldowns" shitty gameplay.

>>386985165
Less focus on the MMO, more focus on just making it MORPG.

>>386985165
An MMO that caters to hardcore players and isn't run by retards.

Launch servers as each fill up to ensure each one is actually populated.

There done.

>>386985525
try a new one, or play that mmo you've been on-offing for the last 12 years

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>Lost isles
>They've literally been on the map since the beginning

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Remember me?

>>386985525
I've had that itch for years now and nothings scratching it. Closest thing recently was FF14 but I took a break from it and now I can't get back into it. Everything else is garbage.

>>386985165
Letting it die is pretty much the only way you can save it right now.

>>386985776
Ok Goldstein

>>386986072
>Make teamwork unnecessary.

You're the problem with MMO's nowadays, they cater to people who want to be able to solo everything on their own without a party and just play a single player game disguised as a multiplayer game.

The trinity system isn't perfect but it encourages group play which is what MMO's need.

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>>386985165

>version 1.0.0

>enter your email address

>>386986749
You can still have teamwork. I just want to get away from the stale trinity and suggested removing the tank role.

>>386986072
You should try/play gw2. No trinity there, and pretty much everyone is either dps or support-ish dps with the only exception of staff druid that is the only "full" healer in the game. It's a pretty fun game too, but the story is dogshit of the worst degree

>>386988078
It's a Quaternity around Sustain, Burst, Support and Tank/CC

But GW2 is getting better gameplay wise.
LS2 is okay in terms of content.
HoT is okay but REALLY requires a quarter full instance at least to have fun on the first three maps and a full instance to complete Dragon's STand
LS3 is fun
PoF is looking to be a ton of fun
>Always griped about lack of easy XP in HoT for masteries
>First city you start in in PoF has a casino coin grab minigame where you can convert your coins directly to exp afterwards
>Contracts are basically Champion Trains on demand

It's looking good and fun

>>386985165
>"Version 1.0.0"
>2015 copyright
>(Release x64)
At least try to put effort in

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Delete tab target combat, it's just lazy at this point
Remove any sort of heirloom or instance finder, making exploring and traveling through the world necessary
Make PvP completely world based, no dedicated battlegrounds

I just fixed the whole genre

it's very hard to top what WoW set especially with the holy trinity

How is Blade and Soul?

>>386988562
It's looking good, but i don't like the look of the new elite specs. I have thing for big weapons and non of new specs use 2 handers or long bows. The only one that sounds good in my mind is the soulbeast and even that was implemented in a very boring fashion. I'm not quite sure if i should buy the expac or not.

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>>386988562

>>386985165
Instead of these "do-all" classes. just spread the functions out over many different classes. The illusion of choice. Make at least 20+ unique classes and let players switch between them at will.

In a parallel universe, EQ Next was completed.

>>386985165
>vanilla loading screen
>2015 (c)

really tosses my salad

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>>386985525
Elder Scrolls Online is genuinely good now

>>386985525
Unironically ESO

>>386985165
remove fast travel, no teleporting everywhere
remove quest markers and minimaps

>>386989457
Depends on what you are looking for.
IMO it's the most RPG out of all the MMOs i've played and not in a bad way. Also some of the end game content is hard as fuck.

>>386985776
>show proof of names and companies they own and their exploits
>its my failure

>>386989008
>Delete tab target combat
>Make PvP completely world based, no dedicated battlegrounds
Congratulation, you just ruined your game and you will tank 1 million subcribers day one of the 2nd month out of the 1 225 000 players you had, the 225k remaining players will keep bleeding out until your game becomes F2P and there's nobody left but brazilian players at this point exploiting the shit out of everything

Why doesn't anybody socialize in MMOs anymore? I feel like they used to have tons of players just hanging around cities shooting the shit but now everyone just runs around doing shit on their own.

>>386989457
eso is good but the lack of bag and bank space is infuriating and im not going to spend money on that shit

MapleStory is still unironically the best MMO I have ever played.

>>386989869
I don't care about World vs BG PvP, but Tab Targetting has been ridden to death. The first order of breathing new life into MMOs has to be a complete revamp of the core mechanics.

>>386989998
If that shit really gets to you buy a month of eso+ and you will get 10$ worth of crowns and you'll be able to do dlc stuff for a month

>>386989953
Developers kept putting in Quality of Life features that destroyed the need to socialize. Most people don't want to be immersed and adventure, they want to push the button to keep the numbers going up and their shitty skinner box going.

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Still one of the best MMORPGs of all time. Criminally underrated. Still has an active player base and people to group up with and guilds to join. I really respect the shit out of this game because it took tremendous risks that other MMOs wouldn't dare take today.

Also this
>>386989457
very true as well.

>>386989953
For whatever fucking reason Devs decided that socializing had no place in an MMO and embarked on a majestic plan to turn MMOs into a singleplayer games.

>>386989953
2007
Iphones
Social media
There's actually no way out of this problem, it's one of those instance where the simple fact that the years have passed by made it impossible to pretend and behave like you are still in 2004

>>386990367
>instence-based garbage

No wonder everyone dropped it in the first few weeks.

>>386985165
I think the problems with the MMO genre are structural, and largely realate to the lifecycle of the product.

It's a segment on the decline.

>>386985165
Release FFXI-2
It was the perfect MMO.
WoW babbys need not apply.

>>386990367

I played D&DO for a while back in college, but I never had a cohesive group to play with. Shit was great fun though.

>>386990393
Players kept asking for this stuff. Leveling experience has traditionally been shit, so people want skip it. People don't want to dedicate the time to get a group, they just want to do the content and get their shitty loot.
The very core and base of MMOs is rotten, players, design principles and mechanics alike.

Not related to this thread yet, but does anyone else laugh when /v/ claims that games like PSO2, Vindictus and DDO are lobby sims instead of MMO when at the end of the day that's all their precious WoW and FFXIV are at this point?

>>386990659
I wouldn't consider them core MMO players if they're against everything that makes an MMO an MMO. If anything I feel it was casuals with fatter wallets getting more attention than people that actually played the game for what it was.

Make leveling take a very long time and make end game be doable at a certain point without reaching level cap
Make soloing an option rather than the preferred method of playing
Remove penalties for grouping up with other players
Make classes have serious flaws which other classes don't have
Make the gearing process slow so each item really matters
done

>>386985165
>version 1.0.0
>release x64
>Nov 5, 2004
>copyright 2004-2015
>the textures and lighting are different
I'm genuinely confused by this image.

>>386991085
You just described vanilla WoW

>>386985165
>eliminate free-to-play mmorpgs
MMOs were at their peak in terms of quality when the f2p market wasn't minimal. They watered down the genre and stretched the player base. Plus it will get rid of the cheap fucks who think content should be free.

>>386991085
Basically world of warcraft pre 3.3 patch, no wonder it had 10M active subs

>>386991102
private server maybe

>>386985292
I think you're mistaken m8. Just fired up my vanilla WoW client for the private server I used to play and it's exactly like that.

>>386991206
Eliminating f2p will not change he genre to a significant level. There needs to be a mechanics change, not a monetary one

Remove flying mounts

>>386985165
FUCKING HELL JUST GIVE US LEGACY SERVERS ALREADY!

>>386990367

Unironically the only MMO I've ever enjoyed. Make more like this, please.

>>386989869
>>Make PvP completely world based, no dedicated battlegrounds
How is this a bad thing? It actively encourages people to play in the world not sit in a instanced battle all day because it is convenient. Also Tab Target combat is outdated garbage at this point

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>>386985165
>we

>>386991380
Vanilla WoW client wasn't 64 bit

>>386990903
The people still playing MMOs right now can be defined as core in my opinion. Not the old core from 2000, but they are the core and base now, because most other people don't put up with this corpse of a genre.

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>>386986370
>tfw the login screen fades to black

>>386985165
You make a game that tries as much as possible to not limit the player. See 'Elder Tale'.

>>386991085
You just invented Artifact power.

Put more focus on the socializing and talking to other players

>>386992531
I don't play games to "socialize".....

>>386992813

MMO's were everyone does their own thing are gay, I expect to meet new friends in these games

>>386985165
>Remove dungeon/raid finders.
Force people to become more social. Let them travel the world that you created instead of letting it go to waste.

>Level-scaling
Let people explore the areas they want with a challenge that they'd expect. There's literally no point in going to some zones anymore because, as cool as they may seem, they haven't been optimized to match modern gameplay.

>Bring back effort
Remember how in old WoW, when you were first starting out, you'd probably be wearing some junky bullshit you found as loot in the first two zones? That junky bullshit had some semblance of a purpose then, and now it doesn't matter because dungeons and raids are so goddamn easy to breeze through that there's no point in using them. Gone are the days where you'd have to forage for hours just to find the right materials to craft the perfect armor for yourself or others.

>>386985165
>16:9

>>386985165
It's fixed. It's called SWTOR

Leveling should be the primary experience it should not be grind to max then the game starts for real. There should be several factions in the game that all hate each other. I hate this red vs. blue bullshit they all do these days. Grouping should be 100% mandatory to accomplish anything. Resource management should be a thing not just clicking buttons in order. They need to explore some genres that aren't just high fantasy shit.

>>386989115
Here's praying for the next set of elites to introduces Spears and maybe Tridents even into land combat
>have tons of spear assets
>most are never seen because Anet gave up on underwater combat

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz_Sc-A2cRM
Use the Mabinogi combat system. Easily the best combat I've ever experienced in an MMO.

>>386990186
So how do you fix it? You don't just remove something without replacing it. This isn't a single player game, there has to be an alternative that actually works with levels and balancing power differences.

>>386989953
The games no longer truly require it. The game itself either gives & tells you everything you need to know or otherwise includes automated tools to form parties and shit.

There's also the fact that a lot of information is easily available nowadays. Back in the day if you didn't know how to complete a quest or get an item, the go-to solution was to either talk to more experienced players or to get into a party and solve it together. Now you straight-up get a quest marker, or there's so much information online that everyone already knows what to do anyway, so the need to actually talk to people is gone. You used to make friends as you randomly got together with people and kept trying and failing to achieve something. The entire focus now is "efficiency" because exploration, in essence, has been removed and is no longer desired by the audience.

>>386989457
I tried to get into this with a few friends a few months ago, we played for 10-15 levels. The questing and combat was so easy that the game felt completely braindead, there was absolutely no challenge at all. Just run straight to the "convenient" quest marker, press a button or kill some shit so quickly the melee guy complained he couldn't even close the distance before the mob died, then run after the marker again. Incredibly boring and completely braindead, we all dropped it.

I hear it gets harder and better in late-game, but there's no way I'm drudging through the mindless tedium of leveling just to see it for myself.

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>>386990269
>im not going to spend money on that shit
>buy a month of eso+ and you will get 10$ worth of crowns and you'll be able to do dlc stuff for a month

>>386995639
This.
Socialization in games was largely a product of the lack of information and networks back in the day

>>386994051
>Video has 41 views
Literally who, get that shit outta here

>>386992813
Why do edgy faggots always end the sentences with "..."? Is it bait?

>>386994051
This times a million.

>>386994051

>>386996431
What? I literally just picked the first video that actually used native game audio without autistic metal or anime music blaring in the background

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By demanding more from the crack dealers who make them.

There is no excuse for the lack in both quality and quantity, especially when this genre rakes in billions.

>>386985304
You nailed it.