>Artificial difficulty: The enemy

nice treead bro XD

at least they're good for dropping the strongest non-chalice dungeon bloodgems

Yeah, I really wish I understood why someone thought they were well designed. Same for the DLC sharks with their ridiculous flailing hitboxes with comical stamina.

>>386955090
LA LA LAAAAA~

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>>386955090
>wait for lunge attack
>parry and iframe the frenzy
WOW DUDE SO HARD LMAO

>>386955090
Just use sedatives, OP.

>>386956343
>parry and iframe a status effect

Sedatives, nigga.

>>386955994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQoqR4CKzBM

i literally never died to one

just sprint right at it, hack it down and chug a sedative

>>386956343
Yes, there is only one way to beat them, that's why it's artificial difficulty.

They couldn't program good AI, so they just made it artificially hard.

You just proved the point.

>>386956343
>Mess up
>Die instantly
Wow this is definitely good game design. No other enemy just kills you in one hit without even trying.

>>386955825
the sharks are fine. they're brutally difficult to take down, probably the hardest enemy, boss or otherwise, in the game, but they take being actually good at the combat as opposed to abusing iframes >>386956343 described for winter lanterns.

>>386956665
I just hit them twice with the kirkhammer, how bad is your parkinson's that you can't tap r1 a few times

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>>386956458
You can iframe frenzy and is as effective as he described it.
I'm still wondering who though it was logic to do that though.

>>386956458
>wasting a Sedative when you can i-frame the Frenzy proc with the Visceral

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>>386956937
>Using the kirkhammer at all when the Hunter's axe exists

>>386957027
>wasting
What else in the game is there to use them on? What does stockpiling the mountain of free sedatives the game drowns you in do for you?

>>386956937
>unironically using the kirkhammer
(you)

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>>386956516
How could you possibly know the strategy to beat them without dying at least once. So few other enemies in the game induce frenzy that the fact you knew sedatives were the solution to winter lanterns suggests you looked things up or died to them at least once.

but who knows, maybe you're 10 days-kun.

Artificial difficulty is a term made up by retarded bitches who think the thing that just killed them is unfair

>>386957289

the things at byrgenwryth give you frenzy, and the church guardians if you have high insight

>>386957289
The first encounter puts them so far away that you have a shitton of time to realize something is inducing you frenzy, which, at that point, shouldn't kill you in 1 hit


If you're too blind to notice that fucking frenzy bar going up then it's your fault, and not something "artificial"

>>386957451
>frenzy
>not artificial

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>>386957396
only if they grab you, and generally it gives you too much frenzy at too quick a rate to use a sedative. Church guardians on the other hand don't inflict enough frenzy to warrant sedative useage.
>>386957451
If you're talking about the Nightmare Frontier one, then that's fair, it's introduced in a relatively safe environment that gives you plenty of time to react. maybe i'm biased remembering all the attempts made trying to cross that fucking bridge in mensis.

>>386957086
The Axe is shit m8, Kirk is better in both forms.

>>386955090
Artificial difficulty: The game and series

>>386957289
anyone have screencaps of 10 d-kun

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>>386955090
You posted wrong enemy from the bloodborne

>>386957678
It's nightmare frontier, and it usually happens way earlier than the bridge encounter

For the bridge one, I just ran away from all those bitches; take the frenzy hit and then just drop down to the hole. The last one is easily avoidable since you get to go across those wooden planks while hiding from it

The only unfair one is the motherfucker guarding the item that transforms you into a message. It's poison + frenzy so you need to be fast

The Eye ball monster was fine. They match the 'madness' idea well and strike fear in you.

By the time you fight these things you should have mastered parrying, and you could feasibly one shot them and live if you do it. You should have also come across frenzy gear to help with these fights. Maybe there's something wrong with me, but I like it when they throw challenges like this down, don't hand hold you, yet provide you with the tools to overcome it throughout the game.

The Shark monsters were kind of ridiculous, but they expected players to know every kind of trick (including the bone dagger). These guys were a nice change of pace from the endless amounts of small enemies you could just stagger endlessly.

Gitgud

>>386956687
It's called risk-reward.
Killing them with R1 spam and sedative chugging is the low risk, low reward strategy.
Killing them with a parry is the high risk, high reward strategy.

>b-b-but the only way to learn the parry timing is to risk dying
True of other Souls games, but not BB, because you can parry from a distance. Bait out the grab attack, back off to a safe distance, then try parrying it. Either you land the parry and kill it, or you miss and have to chug a sedative, but at least you don't die.
Parrying from a safe distance is a strategy you should pick up way earlier in the game when fighting brick trolls and executioners.

These guys are why I dropped BB after beating Micolash (I went back and did Orphan).

>>386956343
That's the single worst aspect of frenzy and the winter lantern's design itself. The status effect literally uses a has a lingering hitbox.

Only on my second playthrough (which I did gunless) did I notice frenzy wears off like 3x faster if you spam roll. What an awful mechanic. You can literally do nothing offensively while it's active on top of the obvious thing being that it's a mostly unavoidable loss of 80% of your hp.

>>386958108
The sharks are kind of bullshit IMO, they have enormous hitboxes and can deal very high damage, thankfull the bullshit ones are the ones guarding the Rakuyo, the other ones aren't so bad

>>386959005
>dropped the game on the next to last boss
Why

>>386959327
I couldn't deal with the winter lanterns on the way to wetnurse.

Just kidding, the real reason is I got a fucking job and got too tired to be good at vidya.

>>386958108
> I like it when they throw challenges like this down, don't hand hold you, yet provide you with the tools to overcome it throughout the game.

A great example of this is BSB, it's kind of a tough fight but if you use the tools they give you throughout the level the fight becomes a walk in the park.

>>386959501
There are no winter lanterns on the way to Wet Nurse. There are no winter lanterns on the critical path anywhere in the game, they only appear in optional areas.

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Speaking of bullshit, holy shit this weapon has insane range. The leaping R1 has caught off so many NPC and enemies off guard it's kind of awesome

>>386960071
Can we all agree BB has the best weapons in the series? It's hard to think of even one that I dislike, even if I'm bad at them.

>>386957308
No artificial difficulty is something impossible to beat on the first time outside of blind luck such as blind jumps, off screen spike pits etc m.

>>386955090
they give you a rune which boosts frenzy resist by a ton.

>>386960291
Not hard when it's competing with Straight Sword Souls.

>>386960306
>if I can't beat it on the first try, it's unfair
How to spot the entitled Millennial

Hey.
Just started Dark Souls 3.

What weapon best replicates the rifle spear, the hunter's axe, or the saw spear?

I want the Hunter's Axe spin to win effect.

>>386960291
BB had the most creative weapons, but like >>386960407 said, it's not hard when the other games we're talking about are rather plain with their weapon design. I can't think of a weapon in Souls that's anywhere near as stupidly interesting as the Wheel.

>>386955090
Don't bother op,people never want to admit these games have problems so you will just be told to "git gud" by 12 year olds

here's a video guide for fighting them without much problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBN1CkyRzmE

>>386955090
Artificial difficulty doesn't exist, git gud loser

>>386961037
scraping spear?

>>386961196
Casual

>>386961196
Yeah nah, there are plenty of problems, but saying "wahhh I can't beat X on my first try" isn't a valid criticism. A skilled player can beat winter lanterns with a 100% success rate, therefore they're fair enemies.

Never had a problem with them.

Those shark giants in the well were a bitch though.

>>386955090
>enemy forces you to think and use your resources instead of just blindly attacking and dodging like every other enemy ever

BAWWWW

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what's up hunter *spins and instant kills you* having fun in the chalice dungeons? *uppercuts and instant kills you* must be fun doing this repetitive tedious shit! *misses you but the chain flails around and instant kills you*

What is the point of doing these chalice dungeons? I never bothered to them.

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*throws placenta at you*

>>386962187
Farming items/blood gems, plus some unique enemies not found in the main game and some cool (sometimes bullshitty) bosses

>>386962509
(sometimes bullshitty)
*instant kills you 10 minutes into the fight)

>>386962393

That boss fight was amazing

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>>386962509
>mfw farming items in soulsborne games
No thanks, did my time while farming those ears in DS3.

>>386955090
these things made me stop my playtrough and made me never come back for over a year now

>>386955090
Just do two strong attacks with the axe.

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>>386962028
>defiled dungeon
>quick kick
>breaks hunter in half

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>>386962509
To be fair, the bosses themselves aren't exactly that much bullshit
The defiled mutator is, though

>>386956343
This doesn't make sense. You get frenzy buildup just from being somewhat near them.

>>386958007
is that a movie? what's the name?

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>>386962393
>>386962783
Orphan has some of the best mechanics for a true one on one boss fight to test your entire playstyle, regardless of what it is

>loved dark souls 1
>played demon's souls, dark souls 2 and bloodborne
>never finished them and got bored
i dont get why

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>>386962393
Almost killed him on first try, but now, after fucking 11 deaths i can't even make to phase 2.
What the fuck is wrong with me.

>>386963694
shit taste.

>>386963415
if the frenzy strikes you as you are doing a visceral (that has tons of iframes) is like the frenzy never existed.

>>386963462
Mama, desu not sure if this was from the film itself or a concept trailer. Been a long time since I watched the movie.

>>386962393

is this the best boss fight FROM'S ever made?

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*one shots u*

>>386963992
but i liked the objectively better dark souls 1

you can just iframe through the frenzy if you time your roll perfectly

>>386964397
In terms of fun, yes. I could fight him over and over (and I often do, with coop). He's so fucking hard and he even starts fighting dirty and desperate during his second phase and somehow he *still* seems fair. The only players who think he is cheap are people who don't understand where his lightning comes from

>>386960306
No, artificial difficulty is when the player can do nothing against an obstacle regardless of their skill or preparedness. i'd ask you to please stop using the term to mean other shit but its too far gone now and everyone seems to have a pocket definition

>>386964693
>objectively better dark souls 1
>Second part is garbage
>not finished npc quest lines
>Bosses are garbage without any features
>less movesets compared to des
>worse visual design and decisions that don't make any sense(in des you had crystal that gives some light, in das your fucking body was light source)

>>386960306
>get close to the enemy
>frenzy bar starts going up like crazy
>logically decide to not fuck with them up-close

Wow that was hard.

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>>386965618
25 feet isn't close.

>>386965618

Oh yeah, because so many builds have such effective long range options and throwing items are so plentiful.

>>386965694
Sedatives are a thing, you know that right? The very moment you notice your frenzy bar going up, you can simply retreat, equip the sedatives and run make your way through.

>>386956491
Soothing tbqh

>>386965887
>throwing items are so plentiful.

Exactly like the enemy in question you mean?

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>>386955090
Good to see literally nobody in this thread has used Blue Elixirs against them.
Souls community is full of real geniuses.

>>386966036

Honest question, how many thrown weapons does it take to kill one of those things compared to how many you can carry at once? Because I remember the few enemies that had that enemy had multiples and if you fucked up and died you would still be out the items.

>>386966083
Frenzy still builds up, so that doesn't really help. The problem is not with the enemy as much as it is with the frenzy mechanic, which is terrible.

>>386966083
Sarcasm? I tried once and they still frenzied me, useless item

>>386955090

all difficulty in all games is artificial OP.

>>386965902
If you have high insight, it can fill up so fast that all you can do to keep it from getting full and damaging you is to drink sedative one after another. You have to go through the entire animation before it reduces it too, which is bullshit. It should have provided temporary immunity or at least high resistance to frenzy for ~20 seconds after using it.

>>386966420
You don't necessarily need to outright kill them with throwing items, just enough for you to be able to finish them off with one or two melee attacks, waiting and consuming sedatives inbetween. Most of the time you'd just want to avoid them entirely anyway, even if I understand the autistic need of having to kill every single enemy in the game at least once.

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>>386967368
>>386967554
Did you charge them head on or what?
It lets you get the drop on them to kill them without them getting frenzy on you since they're so weak.
Sounds to me like you guys are hopeless

>>386955090
>anything that is challenging is artificial difficulty

I just beat blood starving beats. Took my two tries, but I admit I called Alfred on second one.
One question: where the fuck do I go now?
Actually two questions: where is Doll? I'm caring 10000 blood and she isn't in her regular place

>>386968758
Up above the shop if i remember correctly, on the ledge by the house.

>>386968758
After killing bsb, warp to oeden chapel and you will find that a new door has opened.

>>386969361
>>386968956
Thanks

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>>386962393
They were SO CLOSE to making an excruciatingly difficult yet perfectly fair fight, but they had to give him bullshit animation canceling and a completely broken stagger

>>386957086
>using the axe
The axe is fucking boring.

>>386964569
>having 20 VIT

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>>386955090
>Fromdrones will defend this

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>thread makes me want to start another BB run
>remember the early game

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>>386970516
But Central Yharnam and Cathedral Ward are probably one of the best areas in the game, one of the few where enemies are actually patrolling and changing their location, which is honestly a cool concept that I wish was utilized more.
Story Dungeons sure are ass, but in the end you get to descend into those sweet merciless FRCs.

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>>386970504
>turn your back on the boss
>not even bother to dodge when you hear him scream before he attacks
>wonder why you died

>not locking onto the boss to watch his attacks while walking backwards

Fag.

>>386970504
I know this is just bait, but I can't help but be admirative at how perfectly the player keeps a boss that takes literally the size of the fucking screen out of his field of vision for the whole duration of the webm. It legit takes twice the effort of trying to actually keep track of Ludwig.

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>>386963415
It's like they have eyes everywhere or something......

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>>386958007
>hear faint YEEAAART in the distance
>cant figure out where its coming from
>it grows increasingly closer
Alternatively,
>spelunking around
>one of this fags jumps out of the smoke cloud
>back up
>ANOTHER one jumps out of ANOTHER smoke screen
or the good ol' one
>floor crumbles under your feet
>end up in a pitch-dark tunnel right near a chest
>GUESS WHO

>>386955090
Is there any porn of the Winter Lantern?

>>386970516
what's wrong with the early game?

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I just got stunlocked to death by the fucking Witch of Hemwick

Real artificial difficulty is that chalice dungeon with a few bell maidens spawning a million spiders in the same room as beast monsters. Bloodletting Beast is also shit.

>>386971536
Depending on your build, Paarl and Amelia can be a real pain.

Gascoigne can be rough on those who aren't good at parries.

Who the hell decided to call it a "winter lantern"

>>386971585
Take 5, m8.
You will need your composure.

Take your time. Run some laps around the battlefield. Don't get greedy.

>>386971730
The stun came right at me while I was surrounded by those Tim Burton rejects.
Jesus christ I have never felt so humiliated.

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>>386971717
I guess it was supposed to be named after Chinese Lantern aka Winter Cherry?

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>>386973135
>mfw seeing those fuckers for the first time
nearly shit my fucking pants, didn't realize I was playing a horror game

>>386961196
This

>>386971585
>>386972006
Try spending all your insight before going back if wanna cheese them. Without insight they can't summon those other enemies.

Nightmare Mayor McCheese

>>386955090
Either parry or stunlock them. Wew.

>Game starts going full Lovecraft before those things show up
>"How was I supposed to know something might be dangerous to even look at!?"

>>386963849
I died more than 100 times to it and took me over 6 hours to finally beat it.
I wish I was kidding

>>386970516
But It's my first time playing and I found the early areas fine. It's the gank squad after the blood moon arrives after killing ROM that I get pissed off.

Why doesn't Laurence get mentioned more often when he is clearly the most bullshit boss of the soulsborne games?

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>>386974646
>That Amygdala death ray in the stairway

>>386974856
HP spongebullshit doesn't really count.

>>386974563
im still on Maria. Can I request some help

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>>386974903
Apparently it does.

>>386975102
off brand Artorias was boring

>>386964569
I've been through every Chalice Dungeon and I never encountered him.

>>386975196
He's in depth 5 Hintertomb

>>386974959
Press L2 every time she moves. Eventually you'll get lucky and parry2win

Alternatively cheese her by spamming Augur

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>encounters one of those fat evil pigs in the Nightmare of Mensis
>close in for the stealthy lethal fisting
>he turns around at the last second
>that fucking face

Spooked me right the fuck off.

>>386956458
>>386956343

how do I parry frenzy?

>>386975184
Off-brand DS1 was boring.

requesting assistance with Maria,
Pass is

help

>>386975395
You don't parry the frenzy. You do a visceral attack after parrying its grab, during the visceral animation you are immune to all damage and the frenzy damages you mostly during the animatoion so you receive no damage.

>>386974959
None of those guys but don't even use your blood vials until you have a good understanding of her moveset. Know what a 2 hit combo and 3 hit combo are and which way to dodge. Get the timing down on when to dodge the blood or firey attacks.

There might be some easy cheese method, but i just died to her loads of times while actively concentrating on what attacks she's doing and learning from it.

Once you get a good idea and make good progress without blood vials, then feel free to use them but don't rely on them.

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>>386958606
>b-b-but the only way to learn the parry timing is to risk dying

Fuck parrying with guns, this baby is the way to go

>>386975565
He could just do one loran layer and swim in bloodechoes again.

>>386956687
Almost every enemy with a grab in the souls games kills you once you mess up.

>>386975513
She's literally the easiest boss in the game. What the fuck man

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More like artificial difficulty: the series.

DS started off as cancer.

>durr, let's put a sea of AIDS where you have to pop a moss every time you get to an island
>and sell that moss on the other end of the fucking map

>buy DLC
>have to kill a very specific enemy and go to a very hidden area to enter it

>at the very end
>got shrekt by Gwyn
>have to go through the herd of BLACKED knights over and over again, killing any reason I might have had for finishing this piece of shit game

And much, much more.

If you beat Dork Souls, it doesn't mean that you're good, it means you're autistic enough to bear its bullshit.

I played with an infinite souls cheat and it still felt like the most tedious game I've ever played. Never touched the other abortions in the series because I can tell they're just more of the same shit.

>>386971159
holy shit, this is scary as fuck. i didn't know about that enemy, i don't want to play it anymore

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Dude it's easy just git gu-

>>386975891
BB was fair. DS3 DLC bosses are complete bullshit though.

>>386975891
people will take this bait seriously

>>386975964
m-masaka

>>386974959
I used the blade of mercy in it's dual wield form to attack constantly while consuming low stamina and she'll get stunlocked except for some slow attacks (for example, there is one where she swings both swords at you). For that ones learn the timing and dodge behind her (works for almost every attack) to keep pressing.
During second phase attacks have more range but the technique is the same. However, there will be some ranged attacks where she prepares the blow for a while. These ones can deal big damage, but if iirc she moves her arm a bit just when she's about to land them, so you can use that to know when to dodge.
Third phase is the same as the second but some attacks can harm you a bit if you dodge behind her. It's still better to do it that way though

>>386962028
Those chains were insane bit the boss is so damn slow you can chip its health down with relatively little risk.

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>he hasn't fought the chalice boss winter lantern

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>>386975918
>inconsistent yet potentially insanely large aggro range that will make them charge even from another room
>can catch up to a sprinting player running away
>hyperarmour out of the ass in spite of really frail looks
>can oneshot you in max depths dungeons with all active rites
I mean in open combat they're still not as bad as the fat Limp Bizkit fanboys but the fact that the game likes to sometimes put them in really unconventional places makes them one of the worst.

>>386962028
What's this? I played all 10 fixed dungeons and don't remember it.

>>386976501
You don't remember the guy with the instakill chain spin move?

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>>386976043

Not even baiting, my dude.

I can't grasp the fact that someone would actually spend time grinding souls.

>>386976545
not really

>>386976454
>easily parried and mostlikely one shot on skl build
>stunlockable with big weapons on str build
>staggerabble with executioners gloves on arc build
The only time they are hard is when you don't see them coming or when you have to fight them while fighting also other stuff.

>>386976869
>easily parried
>The version that holds some poor dude to attack you is literally move body from the bullets/augur during attack
Not even him, but no

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>>386976869
>and most likely one shot on skl build
Pretty sure you wont oneshot the FRC ones, definitely not those with the red aura.
>stunlockable with big weapons on str build
>staggerabble with executioners gloves on arc build
That's not entirely true. I'm fairly convinced that the double scythe version has considerably less stagger potential and will refuse to flinch if you try to rely on that too much by doing something like two R2s in a row. Single sickle and corpse-wielding variants are fairly docile and are not really that noteworthy, its the dualwielding variant people mostly complain about.

>>386975891
So much this. "Fair and balanced" combat that punishes you for mistakes that are out of your control, even if you are super careful all the time. The problem with those games is that they don't know if they want to be an action game or an rpg. This can lead to farming souls for levelling because the games become enjoyable the most only when you are overlevelled enough to go past all the bullshit.

>>386976454
Yeah they're really nothing you can't handle by that point, its just that you get rushed from nowhere or forced to go against them in not the best of areas. But out in the open it's a good fun enemy.

>>386964397
Nah. Still doesn't quite compare to the AC bosses, though he's easily the best for the Soulsborne bosses. Most especially his presentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLDtiRjTD74
https://youtu.be/devmtleylAg?t=63
https://youtu.be/SwUYIEFhAsY?t=226

>>386978045
Oh fuck Armored Core fag is still alive?

>>386978217
I'm not ACfag, and ACfag spends his days bitching about Nintendo games. He literally never talks about Armored Core, because he's just a faggot.

>>386956343
Yeah, they give you plenty of time to figure this strategy out.

>>386970294
I thought the opposite. Axe was so based that I couldn't have fun with the other shitty weapons after using it. They were either too gimmicky, too boring or too weak.

>>386977274
>is literally move body
I don't know what you meant by this. Do you mean projectiles don't affect it?
Even if that is the case, the version with the other dude is really slow compared to the other ones.

>>386977296
I'm not sure bur maybe they'll get oneshot with one visceral dmg rune.
You are correct that the dual scythe one has a lot of hyperarmor, but only on heavily telegraphed attacks. You'll most likely be able to dodge away on those moves, I think heavy weapons don't need to do R2s to stagger them. I'm pretty sure that Wheel, Kirk, Amy arm R1s are good enough.
Also some of your compaints are about FRC tier enemies and I think one should easily kill them 1 on 1 if he's on FRC level, after fighting plenty of them.

Logarius Wheel is the best vidya weapon prove me wrong.

>>386978516
pizza cutter

>>386978516
Kos Placenta is bett- oh wait
I'm still mad >:(

>>386978598
Close, but no.
BB had incredible weapon design

>>386957451
>The first encounter puts them so far away
They don't put it at an easy to see place, though. The frenzy bar starts to go up, you hear the fucked up music in the background, and are left wondering what the fuck is going on until the fateful encounter.

>>386960992
For the hunter axe pick the greataxe of your choice. For the saw spear pick the spear of your choice and pair it with a fast straight sword I guess. There's nothing really like the rifle spear though.

>>386978702
And what can you even do about the frenzy the first time you see them? I don't even know if I have sedatives by the time I get to nightmare frontier.

Frenzy is a bad mechanic more than winter lanterns are bad enemies. And the tools for dealing with frenzy could have been designed better.

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Alright so i wanna start a new arcane character anyone have some tips? What are the best weapons to use and what should i focus leveling up early on?

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>>386978516
I personally prefer the arm, but executioner set is definitely the best armor set in vidya.
>those studded leather gloves
>the cape and the showl have separate physics
>iconic hunter insignia displayed proudly on the chest
>the headpiece wobbles when you walk or attack and is tilted slightly sideways when you stand still

>>386960992
>>386979016
There is that one bolt spear in the dragon region. It can fire a bolt. I think it was the dragonslayer spear.

>>386968758
>used a summon
might as well admit you never killed BSB

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>>386955090
>doll body but brain head
Can a lorefag explain?

>>386979205
>not Choir garb
Someone grant this beastly idiot some eyes already

>>386972264
gooseberries are delicious

>>386979345
If you look closely, youll see the brain is made of mashed up messengers. This just raises more questions.

Maybe because they only appear in nightmare areas, they are twisted reflections of the things you're fond of. Just pulled from the hunter's memory.

>>386963332
That's kind of a bullshit webm that just shows lucky AI RNG, that boss has a couple of attacks that he can use to get you out of the front. The lava barf, the lunge, the explosion, and IIRC he has a couple of swipes that take him forward too. It's especially bad because it's a cursed dungeon so some of his stuff (the lunge) can one shot.

>>386979345
You only encounter them in NIGHTMARE frontier, NIGHTMARE of mensis and hunter's NIGHTMARE. Of course a warped figure of Doll - a creature that always cared for hunters - is going to be one of the worst nightmares a hunter could imagine.

>>386978702
You get to see it as soon as you turn around the corner. There's literally nothing else there and no other paths where enemies could come from. It's a linear one

>>386979069
You should have 10 stacked from, well, what you picked up during the rest of the game since you don't really get to use them for anything else

People are whining too much. I basically just read "well I can't see them!" and "I probably didn't even have sedatives" when it's obvious that you did

I at least hope you're not the ones that go around crying "hand holding!" and "there's a lot of tutorials in modern gaming" and all that shit

>>386978702
>>386979069

From just blows huge dicks at status effects in general. They keep doing that build up a bar shit and then make it so that stacking resists just makes the bar longer and makes it take fucking ages for that shit to fall back down. Effects are all terribly balanced, and they keep doing poison swamp bullshit.

>>386955090
More like Don't Be A Pussy: The Enemy

All you have to do is wail on it until it dies. Eat the frenzy damage, one hit won't kill you.

>>386974156
No shit, is this true? Not that it's too useful, I usually have at least 20 insight by that time, but still that's pretty cool

>>386955090
>WAAAAHHHHHH THIS ENEMY REQUIRES A DIFFERENT TACTIC THAN JUST DODGE ROLLING TO KILL I DON'T UNDERSTAND
Kill yourself

>>386971717
>>386972264
>also called winter bells
>winter is associated with death
>bells are used in knells
>death knell for the player
Every fucking thread.

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>mfw received the artbook recently
Jesus fuck, I haven't seen the final product being THIS FUCKING ACCURATE to the concepts

I mean, they do have some screenshots mixed in with art, but where it's obviously art, the entire style is transferred into the game so perfectly

>>386975964
Why is it so dark?

>>386979639
This. They're a bit of a hassle the first time because you don't quite know what to do. But once you do, it's easy enough to deal with.

>>386979353
I like the choir set but it honestly doesn't look good on males.

>>386980041
That's often what happens at night time, anon

>>386979639
If you go to nightmare frontier asap and didn't send the old woman to Oedon Chapel, you might not have any sedative by the first winter lantern encounter.

This is ignoring the larger point that frenzy is a poorly designed mechanic. WL are easy once you get the hang of cheesing the grab and partying it, then visceral just as frenzy is about to pop, but that doesn't mean it's well designed. BB is my favorite game, but it still has some flaws.

>>386979635
More like they're experiments by the idiots of the college to recreate the doll but use Messengers to simulate granting it eyes.

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>>386979605
This is exactly how I beat hotdog every time. Break his nose and he starts taking ridiculous amounts of damage

That loop is super easy to get as long as you don't do anything after each hit and stay in front of him

He might charge or fire-swipe, but as long as you're doing just one hit you'll have plenty of time to react

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>>386963332
This is why Bloodborne has my favorite combat in the series. It's super easy to bait the attacks you want and even if you didn't, 90% of the enemies have super consistent timing for attacks and it's easy to gage when to dodge. It's like if every enemy in Dark Souls 3 was designed like Gundyr.

Watchdog is a pretty lackluster boss but what you see in the webm is the consistent speed he attacks at. He almost never deviates from this speed.

Of course the game remains equally bullshit in terms of enemy damage tables and hitboxes, but still. The combat was made with serious discipline.My current playthrough of the game has made me fall in love with it all over again.

Those hammer dragon knights sweet jesus

>>386980259
Never talked to the old lady before and still had max sedatives anyway. Don't they have them distributed as drops in the world map?

>>386979605
Don't you see that the doggo only does those moves in the webm because the player is at a certain position?
Also regarding the other moves:
>>>/wsg/1825396

>>386980353
>attacking the crotch
>not baiting the jump and giving it a stake driver charged R2 to the face

>>386980353
I unlock and you can dodge everything, though the lunge/head swipe can catch you if you're not careful. I go for his legs, once I break one I go for the next, you can keep him downed indefinitely this way.

>>386962028
I just spent round about an hour on this shit stabber. Do the chalice dungeons get worse after him?

>>386975964
>merely pretending

>>386963849
Took me over 30 tries to get him
Pretty cool boss tho

At what point should I start the dlc? I'm at level 70 and i'm up to mikolash so far.

>>386981540
Now is a good time level 70 is fine

>>386981540
You can go for it right now. Might want to wrap up the aera you're in first, then you can do the DLC and finally straight to the final boss.

seeing a thread about it really makes you want to play Bloodborne all over again. how can one game be so good? wonder why miyazaki allows abortions like ds2/3 to exist when he clearly never lost the magic that made DeS and DaS

>>386982004
Don't know but DaS1 is an abortion of DeS man
DaS3 is superior

>>386980510
There are a few in nightmare of mensis, 2nd floor lecture hall and the slime students drop them, but if you go to nightmare frontier as soon as you're able, there's a good chance you won't have a sedative for the first WL encounter. You're swimming in them by endgame, but it makes for a rough first encounter for first timers. That's a long run back too.

>>386981540
30bl is pretty good if you didn't fucked up your build

>>386982004
>das
>good
Literally how?
Only das3 was worse

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>you don't have a ps4 so you will never play bloodborne
>they will never make a diablo soulslike

>>386970504
I remember this thread!

>>386980716
Oh I know, I've done plenty, but the top tier RFD chalices have dogs with too much HP and breaking all the legs, even if you have enough damage to do this in a row, will take away like half HP, which is why I started using the nose boop. It's longer, sure, but safer for me at least

>>386955090
>Artifical difficulty
>2017
>Not just gitting gud
Damn son

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>complaining about Winter Lantern when this faggot exists
This guy actually defies the rules of the game

>>386982714
>guy

>>386982714
>play passive when his chikage is untricked because of the stupid gun damage
>play aggressive when chikage is tricked
wooo

Any tips for fighting the rape horse?

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heh, nothing personal micolash...
Micolash on ng+ is unironically the hardest part of the game if you don't have this

>>386982714
Holy fuck I had forgotten about this glorious motherfucker. The single most difficult NPC in all Souls games, no doubt. Even Maldron gave me less shit than this cheeky cunt.

>>386982882
>take a 999 BLT repeating pistol in the face because he mysteriously doesn't flinch after getting hit at low HP
Wew

>>386982746
He has a male scream at death, so I assume he uses male pronouns.

>>386983296
Nope, he's braindead like always
Just stay close and circle him so he wouldn't use call
Finished ,my ng++ walkthrough 2 weeks ago

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>>386982714
>bloody crow on NG+
>need that hunter rune
>~10k HP
>2-shots me with gun
>2-3 shots with any other attacks

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>>386982714
>99 Bloodtinge
>spams bone marrow ash

>>386983493
You say that.
I have terrible RNG. He still shotguns me in the face with a call beyond even when I'm in melee distance.

>>386983110
Use a serrated weapon (beast bonus) use fire damage if you can (either converted weapon on arc build or fire paper). Don't panic dodge, most of his moves catch panic dodgers and punish them.
Don't summon, beating him by your own after he kicked your shit in feels great.

>>386983379
When playing passive, as I said when he can shoot, then you should be able to dodge the shots.

>>386983296
>Fighting him online
>lag causes you to get fucked by A Call Beyond
every time

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>>386983110
When he does the instakill charge dodge to the side with the big gross hole.
Also when he jumps up run straight. Also killing the guy infront of the boss area banging on the gate drops 5 blood vials each time. Summoning actually can make him harder, as he can fuck up NPC's in a matter of seconds and it can leave you with a harder fight

>>386983839

Valtr can survive both phases.

>>386983979
I meant players, not NPC's.
my bad

When you think about it all video game difficulty is artificial because video games are not a natural occurrence

>>386983598
You're going to have to attack him at some point to kill him. He gets super shooty when he's at low HP. I was fighting him today on a low level character and had him within 1 to 3 hits before he died, and he rolled immediately after getting hit directly into that kneeling shot stance and I ate shit. He's a gay faggot.

What does the crow even drop? Clawmark 3, right?

>>386984091
As I said go aggressive when he tricks the chikage he cant shoot then. Also fighting him at low level isn't the smartest idea.

>>386964119
Mama was a short made a few years before the movie, and that gif is from the short. The short is horror, the movie, like any other gillermo totoro movie, is a fairy tale with very predictable and minor jumpscares.

I want to fuck eileen

Is Eileen African?
She has that accent

>>386975964
>a_team.webm

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>>386984940
Yes
she is also the wet nurse

>>386984940
YOUHR BLUUD IS MIHHNNNEEE

>>386955090
Agree, Bloodborne is objectively shit because of this enemy. I put the game down after dying to this shit for the
THIRD
FUCKING
TIME
and never looked back. Felt good man

>>386980353
>>386980686
Nice, good strats. Maybe it's because I've never fought him without co-oping and he likes to change aggro at the drop of a hat.

>>386955090
protip: hold the r2 button when they get close to you, but not too close or they'll grab you!

>>386975964
>i know she will do that overhead attack now
>*the attacks is displayed in slow motion*
>now you are going down, SHINE!
>*parries*
>MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA
>NANIII?!

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>>386978424
>Rally runes
>Chug one of the poise elixirs
>Let rip with the axe on a boss or mini-boss that doesn't have an extra little hit gimmick
Literally the most fun way to kill something.

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>>386985693
>Dies three times and calls it quits
>Never specs for frenzy
>Never learns to sedative
>Never learns to visceral
>Never heals after frenzy which won't kill on its own
>"this game is objectively shit"

Sorry shaman for healing, I played much DaS 3 and got used to using triangle as the "trick" button.

>>386986363
Woops wrong thread.

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>>386955090
that guy was pretty bad but he was doable I guess, died a few times to him

I just really dislike the brain sucking faggots

I was like these guys don't do shit, until I realized I lost all my redpill points

>People spend a thread crying about how frenzy is artificial difficulty
>When frenzy is always 80% of your hp, which means it's only a one shot kill if you're running around with more that 20% life missing
>Winter lanterns are the slowest pieces of shit with the shittiest attacks or grabs
>Even with 99 insight and the lowest frenzy resist possible you can still pop two vials and act for a bit before the next frenzy happens
I don't get it. I only died to the first lantern I found and that's only because I was a scrub and let it grab me, I would have survived the frenzy tick otherwise, do dipshits really run around with sub 80% hp when vials are easy as fuck to get?

>>386986684
This, when I see frenzy start to tick up I immediately check my health, it's not hard

>>386983296
>Micolash on ng+ is unironically the hardest part of the game if you don't have this
>use beast roar
>hit him 3-4 times with fast weapon
>use beast roar again before he fully gets up
>hit him 3-4 times with fast weapon
>repeat
The only thing that sucks is if you get to him in the second phase and one shots your ass with augur or starts up ACB before you recover from the fall.

>>386986651
All your insight? How many times did you let them grab you? And aren't there only 5 per game (not counting chalice)? I find it difficult to believe you let one of the slowest, rarest enemies grab you with the most telegraphed attack in the game dozens of times

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>>386955090
*blocks your path*

>>386987021
Not him but I accidently two of them at once at the orphanage and kept catching those immobilization beams to the face. I lost at least 5-10 in the whole encounter

>>386963849
whats your build? It becomes pretty trivial to not take any damage in phase 1 if you stay at a distance you can bait either the placenta throw which is easy to dodge or the jump attack, don't dodge, walk under it and charge for a backstab visceral. With the claw mark runes and beast blood pellet and maybe bolt paper you can do a heap of damage. Just be patient and never go for more than 1 attack if you dodge any other combos. Ideally fish for a visceral to enter phase 2 to do a good chunk of his phase 2 life. Run the fuck away when he tries the lightning attack, you can go very far out over the water so use that to your advantage. I don't really have any advice for phase 2 tho, I just got good rng and a lucky visceral. Phase 2 orphan is probably the most difficult boss in the series.

>>386987651
Ah yeah, I can see that

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>>386971264
y-yes but... well i can't post it here

>>386988032
Do it.

>>386988134
I bet you don't even have enough insight to comprehend it

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>>386975184
But i liked gael's fight :<

>>386974959
Ask /bbg/
It's not like they have anything better to do

>>386988397
It was so boring, he's probably the most generic boss in all of Souls. I swear I've seen all his moves and gimmicks in other enemies.

>>386955090

dude, just rush to it, hit it like a mad man and dodge to its back when its trying to give you a hug

>>386981034
Depends on how you learn to deal with the hell fire dog and the old man with the sickles on cursed chalices

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>>386963849
I killed Ludwig first try on my skill/tinge build but had to retry 20+ times on my arcane guy. So I don't know what the fuck is wrong with us.

>>386975602
Unloading a full stamina bar with Pizza Cutter before using this either staggers or parries most NPC hunters, allowing you to regain your stamina and L2 all over again. Feels good.

>>386968758
Where the fuck is Alfred to summon him there? I beat the game three times and I have never seen his sign

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>>386955090
>Want to replay bloodborne
>Remember bullshit chalice dungeons
nu uh im not falling for that shit again

>>386989438
You don't have to do a single dungeon

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>>386964693
>objectively better dark souls 1

>>386974156
That somehow made that fight worse for me because of how fucking boring it is having to just run around the battlefield now I always go there with insight

>>386963332
They shouldn't have put the dog in the early chalices. You don't appreciate or notice the mechanics they put in when it's too easy.

>>386989438
then don't do them, man. I only did them once to fight the Queen and that's because I didn't want to miss on any boss, but I ain't going back for nothing

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>bloodborne is fair

Stand Aside.

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>>386975102
>>386988612
I dunno i felt like the 2nd and 3rd phases with their literally gattsu attacks were pretty sweet.. and then ya got the whole self summoning thing and the cape wings so it felt like a decent fight to me. but hey differences in taste here i guess

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>had a fever dream last night that there was a free bloodborne update with new weapons
>Staff that transforms into reusable throwing spear
>Flails (transformed to be on fire)
>can't remember the rest
>mfw I woke up and still no BB2

>>386989904
gg ez

>>386983110
I always summon Valtr simply because I love watching him go berserk on his ass and stunlock him everytime

>>386989904
he only rolls at you when you run away from him, stay up in his grill and he's easier to deal with.

>>386989904
I can't speak for myself because I don't even remember fighting these guys but the dude in the webm doesn't even attempt to side-step the fucking thing.

>>386990060
Honestly I didn't understand the appeal of a bloodborne 2 and thought the game was already a singular standalone experience, until I started farming chalice dungeons...

It's literally all random shit and enemy concepts that needed to be held off until another game. In fact I'd really like chalice dungeons to return with different dungeon sandboxes instead of the same boring looking corridors.

>>386990380
He has lots of rolly polly attacks and sweeps too
One of the tougher chalice enemies, ranks slightly above the madmen. I think you only encounter one in the required chalices

>>386990680
I'm with you on the whole "Standalone experience" thing, I just really like the gameplay. I remember hearing rumors before E3 that BB2 was going to be announced and that it would have an Aztec aesthetic to it and I could not have been more disappointed when it didn't happen.

>>386989904

The fat dungeon guys are some of the easiest enemies to parry in the whole game are you serious?

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>>386955090

Am I retarded for finding Laurence a fair bit harder than Kos? Kos I could learn patterns on and predict/dodge/parry after a handful of deaths, but fucking Laurence took me easily twice as many tries.

He seemed to have a stupid wide hitbox to his attacks, his patterns seemed more random, and his fucking second form makes actually getting in to hit him a crapshoot.

>>386979876
Yeah it works, sometimes I use it on different playthroughs if I'm not in the mood to deal with Hemwick's shit.

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>>386960306
This is why people block namefaging retards, because they never fail to say something stupid.

>>386967932
I literally put the controller down while they walked by me under the effects of blue elixir to see if the elixir would let me get the drop on them.

It did absolutely jack shit.

>>386957086
Everything falls to the hammer.

>>386991403
Nah, I have the exact same issue every playthrough I do. I can usually get Orphan on my first try at this point, but Laurence will still take me a handful of tries.
My biggest issue with him is that he attacks in long combos, has a lot of reach, and high tracking.
His third phase, when he's just a crawling torso, is easier once you realize how to handle it. Bait out his crawl slam and just keep strafing to his side, hitting him occasionally. Done properly, the lava should fade fast enough to just repeat until he's dead.