Is Dark Souls 3 the worst game in the Souls series?

>>386951930
DeS=BB>DaS>DaS3=DaS2

>>386952061
Da=Bb>DeS>Das2>Das3

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Das2SotFS>BB=DeS>DaS3>DaS2>DaS

>>386952061
>>386952486
>>386952831
DaS>BB>DeS>DaS3>DaS2

This happens in every game in the series. From Demons to 3 to Bloodborne.

All of you cherry picking nigger faggots need to die. Just enjoy the game[s], or shut the fuck up.

DeS > BB = DaS >> DaS3 >>>> DaS2

haven't touched SotFS but the "fixes" have not impressed me

>>386953036
/thread

BB>DaS3>DaS>DaS2
didnt play DeS

>>386952954
This nigga, right here.

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>>386951930
Maybe, in the sense that its the 5th game and the grab shockwaves are still a thing
fromsoft sucks lol
At this point I assume they do it on purpose for the sake of prepare to die marketing

>>386951930
no, i think demon souls is the worst. it's so goddamn stiff and clunky it controls like shit. no other game in the series controls nearly as bad as demon souls.

I don't like to defend bad hitboxes but it has been generally understood in the series that if you stand in front of an enemy without rolling away of his attack you will get fucked up.

>>386953397
unless you are playing 2 and you still get fucked up

>>386952061
>>386952486
>>386952831
>>386952954
>>386953254
literally no one cares what you have to say

>>386953376
DS2 controls worse.

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DS3=Bloodborne>DS>Shit>DS2>Colon Cancer>>>>>>>>>DeS

Almost every weird hitbox I noticed in my playthrough was in my favor. Sulyvahn, Champion Gundyr and the Dancer all randomly whiffed their attacks while I was circle strafing them, so I got some sweet free hits in

>>386953310
dude they couldnt fix magic - one of the core gameplay features in 8 years. What makes you think they even care about small things like bugged grab attacks

>>386953467
Do not reply to discord shitposters. No one actually believes 2 controls even remotely okay or has good content.

>>386953512
who is this smoothskin goddess

>>386951930
Nah that's both versions of Dark Souls 2

>>386953171
sotfs was a big improvement imo, its how the game should have launched originally.

shame fromsoft did it in a shitty way and basically made you buy the game all over again. i bought the original and was gonna wait for some DLC bundle or to hoover them up in a sale, but then they only released SotFS and i was like eh, fuck that im not buying the base game again just for dx11, but then eventually it went in a sale and cost less than buying the 3 DLCs individually so i snapped it up.

my autism still hates that ive got a useless original DS2 sitting in my steam library though

>>386951930
faget should've gitted gud

demons souls is best, before cancer bandwagoned hard on dark souls

dark souls 2 and onward is cancer with soul memory

cancer that bandwagon on souls franchise mostly pc cucks who cant go online and use mods and hacks and shit

>>386952954
This one's got it

>>386951930
The fact that I beat a majority of the bosses by chucking fireballs because they did so much damage dissapointed me.

>>386953667
playing softs was pretty nice after having played the original
you wait for the cancer around the corner, and it just isnt there
still only pirated it because fuck the devs for doing that

>>386951930
I tried to replay this game. The character looks so out of fucking place, it's horrible. It's like it doesn't belong to the environment.

>>386953823
Well he crawled out of the ground so

>>386953590
I played dark souls 2 sotfs as my first souls game. i liked ds1's world and enemy placement better (until demon city where it got lazy) but i much preferred ds2's controls. dark souls 1 felt a lot more stiff and clunky, i actually prefer my games to be a little floatier, hence me also enjoying dark souls 3 and bloodborne

>>386953579
what's wrong with magic

>>386951930
>Dodges with the attack so they get hit by a lingering hitbox.

Boy, it's like the game wants to teach you to dodge the right way.

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>>386953915
It doesn't exist.

>>386951930
Isn't the "getting grabbed while rolling" shit a problem in every Souls game? All it shows is how lazy From is.

>>386953915

It's too fucking strong.

In every single game magic is an overpowered piece of shit.

>>386953310
>they never patched shit like this out
How fucking hard is it to make a huge hitbox smaller?

I kinda disliked how in Matthewmatosis' DaS video he dismisses any sort of problems that the game has by saying "it's a miracle games work at all". It's probably the only time he's defended a game too much, when normally he's a bit too jaded imo. But, whatever, I shouldn't care what some random dude says on the internet.

>>386953997
In this instance it's really the player's fault. He has shit for i-frames and dodges in the literal direction Dancer is grabbing.

Grabs are always slow, linger attacks in Souls games.

>>386954074
its pretty much considered weak as shit in ds3 though, probably the hardest way to play the game.

>>386953821
>still only pirated it because fuck the devs for doing that

How did they get away with scamming the fans?

>>386954260
It was the peak of the meme.

>people who rank DeS above DaS
I like DeS too but come on. It aged badly and it was never as immersive as DaS.

DaS > DaS2 > DaS3

haven't played any of the playstation games

>>386953915
hmm lets see
>cant aim, charge or delay magic
>everything that isnt a variation of soul spear, fireball or lightning spear is shit
>its either unbelievably broken or absolutely useless (changes with each game)
>requires ridiculous amount of stat investment and gear which is mostly locked to late game
>in PVP magic is nullified by a roll button
>absolute snoozefest in PVE

>>386954153
How in the fuck is that his fault? If he's out of the way of the attack, he shouldn't be grabbed.

Maybe in the way that Souls games work, yeah, he got hit, but the games shouldn't work that way in the first place.

>>386954468
Demons souls is shit even the name sounds like a abortion

>>386954506
>>cant aim
Yes, you can.
>>in PVP magic is nullified by a roll button
What kind of complaint is that?

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1>SOTFS=BB>3>DS

>>386951930
>he believes its worse than 2
You might wanna check for brain tumors OP

>>386953447
lmao the irony

>>386954672
EXCELLENT use of 4chan's "posting" feature

>>386954672
Dotards are mentally defective, who would have thought.

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Favorite is Dark Souls 2 desu. I've been replaying it doing a Crossbow only run, dual wielding Light Crossbow's and it's pretty fun. I've actually noticed the problem with the hitboxes being static since it's been shit posted so much and I honestly don't know how I never noticed this. Fixed it by levelling Adaptability a bit, but fucking shit regardless.

>buy DeS
>fucking massive framerate drops and audio skipping five minutes into boletaria

dropped

>>386954669
>Yes, you can.
was a fucking crosshair like with bows too much to ask? If you are fine with trying to adjust clunky camera I dont know what to say
>What kind of complaint is that?
because caster gets completely shat on in 1v1? They gave you some close range spells in DS3 but they are so utter shit you are better off just praying to god the other guy will lag just enough so your CSS will actually connect through his roll

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>>386954832
>/v/ told me 2 is bad so it MUST be bad

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>>386955005
Are you sure you didn't emulate it?

>>386955239
It has a ton of problems, but so did 1

>>386955005
>He feel for the /v/ has good taste in video games meme

DeS is cancer it's fucking shit, 3 or 4 people always praise this game, these are the same people online every fucking day and tell others how good this trash game is because it's babies first PISS3 game

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>>386951930
Oh look, it's this thread. Again. For the 10th fucking time. Kys yourself OP

Dark Souls 3 > Bloodborne > Demon Souls > Dark Souls > Powergap > Dark Souls 2

>>386951930
>Be retard
>Die
Business as usual.

>>386955239
/v/ told me 2 was good, so I pre-ordered it. Easily the worst game I've played this decade.

2 is the worst one and it's still pretty fun

>>386955693
/v/ told you a game is good before it came out and you listened
yeah you deserve to lose your money

>>386955604
I agree with that list

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>>386954852
dark souls 2 is such a fun game to come up with a build idea/gimmick and dick about in

i'm doing a pure sorcerer right now and it's actually pretty fun, although the dlc has been a bit rough since the enemies have high resist vs magic

>>386955897
oh boy wait till you get to blue smelter demon

>>386951930
He literally rolled into the grab. No amount of invincibility frames will save you from that.

>>386956093
He rolled into it, but it still showed him rolling past it.

>>386955693
the difference is you listened before the game even released. I also did listen but canceled my preorder just day before release. I was pretty fucking mad about the downgrade, but eventually I came to terms with it and found out SOTFS with DLCs is very enjoyable and just as difficult as 1 (I know its not supposed to be its selling point but oh well). I enjoyed 3 much less than 2.

>>386956428
The difficulty IS the selling point, though. I feel like that's 2's problem, they bought their own marketing and tried to make the game hard, but ended up making it annoying to play.

It also seems like Namco Bandai tried to rush 2 out as fast as they could, too, since SotFS was basically what 2 should've been from the beginning

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>>386955964
i tried blue smelter yesterday and ran out of spells at around 2/3 of his health, it was awful

>>386951930
I didn't even know dancer had a grab
git gud

>>386955813
That was before 2 came out and you could get honest informed opinions, with the worst of shitposting being half a dozen Sonygros moaning about not muh exclusive even though most people did play DeS and discussed it during DaS, myself included. After 2 though? With this rampant shitposting and git gud mentality completely overwhelming any sort of intelligence you sad fucks might have had with olympics-grade metal gymnastics? I doubt BB is even half as good as Sonygros say it is.

>>386956428
I stopped caring about the downgrade 2 hours in. Looking rancid and unfinished is nothing compared to how the game played and was designed.

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>>386956515
>SotFS was basically what 2 should've been from the beginning

It's a FAR CRY from what it should've been and areas like Shaded Woods and Drangleic Castle/King's Passage still are basically unfinished and unpolished.

Has there ever been any good pvp in these games? I'm playing 2 and all I see when I get invaded is just straight up fights, gestures and all, and they wait for me to finish enemies. If I wanted enemies to be nice I wouldn't be playing dark souls.

>>386956839
no

Things that are wrong with DS3
>no build variety due to game mechanics copying bloodborne only fast R1R1R1 weapons are valuable
>poise could fix that, but fuck that, you can wear heavy as fuck armour but still be staggered by smallest pinch in your direction
>no poise makes great weapons way less useful than in previous games
>armour looks boring and samey, so no fashion souls
>magic and miracles are shit which doesn't add to build variety at all
>pyromancy, due to the need to be close to enemy, barely works with fast enemies
>world design is shit, every playthrough you are forced to go the same path every time
>stupid gimmicky bosses (Greatwood, Deacons, Sage to an extent, High Lord Wolnir, second stage of Pontiff, Wyvern) though the design of some of them is cool
>boring locations, half of them are cathedrals, also less of them than in previous games
>no power stance, instead we get stupid dual wielding weapons most of which are useless, which again doesn't add to build variety
>all of this seriously hurts replayability is one of the major points of soulslike games
>boss weapons are still shit
>can't cut tails
>lore is one big reference to DeS and DaS instead of trying something new
Did I miss anything?
To be fair bosses that are not gimmicky are one of the best in the series and level design is WAY better than in DS2 and I do like quest system which adds depth to the game.

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BB>DaS>DeS>DaS2>DaS3

>>386956839
No.

>>386951930
Depends on your criteria as all the soulsborne games have some measure of critical flaws, despite being probably the only good examples of the specific kind of gameplay on offer in these games.
For me 3 is probably the worst or second worst.

>>386957210
>>386956868
It's a shame though, there's a lot of potential with level design, tools like the chameleon spell and other gimmicks. I've invaded a few times but I feel like I'm the one playing the game wrong, even got some butthurt messages. I wouldn't mind at all getting killed in a creative manner, even in an "unfair" way.
For fuck's sake the AI is more vicious and creative most of the time.

>>386956907
>stupid gimmicky bosses (Greatwood, Deacons, Sage to an extent, High Lord Wolnir, second stage of Pontiff, Wyvern) though the design of some of them is cool

on the one hand the gimmicky bosses aren't very good but on the other, dark souls 3's gameplay is so shallow that it can't really accommodate interesting "traditional bossfights", almost all of the straight up fights in this game are tackled with identical tactics and the only difference between them from a gameplay perspective is roll timings

i know someone is going to say "but that's true in all the games" so here's some examples of "straight up fight" bosses from previous games where there's more going on than roll-attack-roll:

>quelaag uses pools of lava and a very telegraphed, high damaging aoe attack to force you to always be wary of your positioning
>ornstein and smough will often overlap their attacks if you try to fight them straight up so you have to pull them apart using the pillars
>tauros demon has an incredibly narrow arena and you can use the environment against him
>4kings forces you to be hyper aggressive because of the timer that spawns additional kinds (this one is marginal since some people consider 4kings to be a gimmick boss)

these fights feel different from eachother and require/afford tactics to win, there's no equivalence of this sort of variety in dark souls 3, all the straight up fights in that game attempt to emulate what made the (bafflingly) popular artorias fight appealing and the game ends up feeling very style over substance as a result

what's the comfiest soulsborne game?

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>>386958461
2

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>>386954506
>everything that isnt a variation of soul spear, fireball or lightning spear is shit
>what is force
>what is hidden body
>what is rapport
Not every spell has to be some kind of projectile that deals 9999 damage, Force only requires 12 FTH, you can get it early on all Souls games, and you can destroy gank squads if you know how to use it
>>386955897
>>386956532
Nice screenshots man, almost made me want to play DaS2 again

>>386958849
I honestly thought that magic was the best in DaS2

>>386951930
this guy fucking sucks, you don't roll in the same direction the grab is going
that's like standing under the iron golem's legs in sen's fortress

>>386958980
Every time I try playing a mage I end up using magic weapon and swinging R1 because I don't feel comfortable using ranged spells in a game that is mostly fought in melee
Those spells that turn your catalyst into a pseudo-sword feel awfully inefficient to me compared to just using a weapon

>>386953997
It's more a problem with people relying on iframes than a problem with the game itself.
It's the opposite of what the Monster Hunter games did where rolling had a very limited amount of iframes so most of the time you used it to get out of the way instead of just rolling into an attack while being invincible. The newer games do allow you to get much higher iframes with skills but without that you don't just blindly roll through attacks like is often the best option in dark souls.