Sonic Mania PC Delay

I'm affected by the delay but I already had a contingency in place anyway, do I count?

>>386948324
Yes, what was your contingency plan?

>>386948206
I'll just play other games in my backlog I guess

Don't really mind that I have to wait though avoiding spoilers is gonna be tough

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>Yakuza Zero isn't on PC
>ok.png
>Persona 5 isn't on PC
>ok.png
>Puyo Tetris isn't on PC
>ok.png
>Project Diva isn't on PC
>ok.png
>Azure Revolution isn't on PC
>ok.png
>Sonic Mania is being delayed 2 weeks for PC
>pepe_ree.png

I don't get you mustards.

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>>386949453
>/v/ is one person

>>386949784
The overall attitude of PCfriends is exactly the same. Why is it okay for PC to be denied five separate games from the same publisher, but getting a game two weeks later is a huge deal?

Just read the blurb on switch, did I miss a memo somewhere? "Sonic Mania was developed by Christian Whitehead, Headcannon, and PagodaWest Games in collaboration with Sonic Team."
CWC made this?

>>386948525
I swapped my PC CE preorder for a Switch preorder and then preordered a regular Windows copy at a discount so the Switch CE will be here on launch day.

I don't really mind the delay all that much, but the way Sega's trying to "make up" for it seems like a dick move. Oh boy, you're giving me a free copy of an ancient game that not only everyone who gives a shit about Sonic probably already owns in multiple forms, but also a version you can't gift to someone else if you already own it because of the way bundles work on Steam? Sega, you spoil us!

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I rather wait than have a buggy mess.

But this is Sonic game we're talking about, so I expect literal garbage anyways.

>>386949991
No, Christian Weston Chandler didn't make this.

PC, PS4 and Switch were my options so now it's just PS4 and Switch I guess. Still not decided but leaning Switch.

>>386949453
You don't want Valkyria Revolution, trust me.

>>386950024
I was gonna say that Sega is on par with WB games, but at least the broken games they gave PC were current games. And Sega has the audacity to say that PC "is their most profitable platform" when their actions definitely say otherwise.

>>386949962
Those are mostly literally who tier games

>>386950024
Thay could have at least given us the Taxman version.

>>386949962
Because you are in a Sonic thread. It is perfectly normal that people who want to play Sonic will be upset and complain about it in a Sonic thread. Do you really expect people to bring up unrelated topics that have nothing to do with the thread?

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>>386948206
>real Sonic, not XTREME RAD 90s stretchy Sonic Adventure Sonic

Fuck it, I preordered just to encourage those retarded Japs to go with the original

>>386950197
I don't think anyone does, but the story behind the game's creation is pretty Sega.

>let's port vc 6 years after the triple had it
>oh look, people are buying it
>hey it made us money
>people are talking about the IP again
>"PC saved the IP, and we will make a new entry in the series"
>not for PC, but for the Xbone instead

>>386950212
>P5
>Yakuza
>Migu

those games fucking sold the PS4 in Japan

>>386950359
They're Sega games. This is just how Sega is.

>>386950010
>so the Switch CE will be here on launch day.

They (sonic the hedgehog official youtube) said the PC CE pre-order is still shipping at the normal time for the 15th, but the code won't unlock the game till the 29th

>>386950450
>>386950010
Source: https://youtu.be/MbqPX15G9_0?t=163

Could they at least tell us what the problem is that they found out about days before release and now need 2 weeks to fix?

>>386950428
>those games fucking sold the PS4 in Japan
We don't live in japan, most people will never have even heard of them.

>>386950595
Those games are still pretty decently popular in the west. But let me offer a counterpoint; Moero Chronicle. The western version was released exclusively for PC, and this is a game that literally no one has heard of.

and are you fucking shitting me dude

>yakuza has been around since the ps2
>migu is literally DUDE 3D ANIME LMAO
>persona is literally ironic weeb: the game

>>386948206
I have to wait. I can't do anything else.
I promised myself to buy the Switch version only if it gets a physical release.
Honestly, I'm sad they are going to give me Sonic 1 only, a game I already own in multiple copies on different platforms. They could have given us a demo of Mania, the whole original trilogy or, hell, Taxman's Sonic 1. But no. A game literally everyone already owns. Jesus.

>>386950579
It's called "we are afraid of day one piracy". In those two weeks, people will feel forced to buy the game on consoles rather than pirating it on PC.
Of course, this is a fucking stupid attitude and they are terribly dumb. They think they can solve a problem when they are just pissing us off.

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>>386950753
>Those games are still pretty decently popular in the west
I'm not commenting on the quality but most people will have never heard of them, and that's why no one gets butthurt over it.

Quite a few normies have heard of sonic.

>Moero Chronicle
I can only guess it's because it was easier to port

>>386950428
I just wonder why they made something so removed from the original game when it was Westerners buying the original game again that funded it.

My only option is getting it on the PC as I have neither a PS4 or a Switch, and I won't be able to get one for the foreseeable future due to being a poorfag supreme. I can wait the 2 week as I already have more than enough games to pass the time.

>>386951080
Or maybe PC gamers have a horrific case of Stockholm Syndrome and defend Sega's every little thing.

>>386951251
Sega has always had a big problem with their western audiences and subsidiaries. They don't like the notion of them being popular abroad but not in their native Japan. You should read up on Sega's history and how fucking mad Sega Japan got over anything the western division did that actually worked. I wouldn't be surprise their FUCK YOU NO GAMES FOR PC attitude is founded in their hatred of the west.

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i pre orderd this on steam. i wont be affect by this r-right guys.

i bought sonic mania as my 10th year annaversery on steam.

on the bright side i might as well play starcraft: remake. while things fall into order. ripp.

>>386943469
>>386943469
>>386943469

I was born in 94 so I didn't play S&K on release, but I'd say I've been waiting about 18 years for another good 2D Sonic. I can wait a few more days.

>>386951527
>Or maybe PC gamers have a horrific case of Stockholm Syndrome and defend Sega's every little thing.
They literally just don't care. Not many people play jap games

>>386951664
No. That's a cove of shills that defend this inexcusable delay.

>>386951080
>japan reports say it broke 500k before 2017
>here is says it hasnt in half a year
who am I supposed to believe

>>386948206
The fact that they delayed the PC version is absolutely unacceptable.

>>386951527
They make plenty of games available on PC. Let's call this what this actually is: Sega is being lazy on the SKUs for a halfassed cash-in.

>>386951726
I'm the OP and I have been shitting on Mania the whole thread. Stop making 5 threads its hard to keep up retard.

>>386951864
>They make plenty of games available on PC

Like fucking what? Rehashes of strategy games? Ports of old ass fucking games no one asked for?

>>386951834
It did if you include the ps3

I'm probably just going to buy the ps4 version on Tuesday and play it again when pc releases

>>386948206
I will be 100% fine with the delay if all these rumors about DRM and Denuvo turn out to be false. At this point I'm just praying its not that because it would kill the modding scene hardcore.

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>>386948206
i own every console and the day before the delay i decided to get pc version for mod support.
the delay is pretty gay and theres a rumor drm was added so no mods either.

if it had more completely new zones i would of grabbed it on console but only 4 new zones is ehh. i might pirate it down the road.

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>>386948206
It's better than nothing amiright?

>>386948206
>last good sonic was 10 years ago
>lel cent weit anozer 2 weks(((
How old are you, 12?

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>>386948206
>order a key from bundle stars, save $4
>activate it on steam
>a day later they announce it's delayed
>stuck waiting

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>>386952094
>mod support
>2017

>>386952094
I'll never get the "new zones" argument. All "old" zones are completely redesigned, they might as well be completely new zones, just with the name of old zones.

>>386948206
Do what I do and buy both, it's not exactly expensive.

>>386948206
I have a PS4 so I just double dipped and got it on there because fuck waiting 2 weeks.

I'm just a tad disappointed I won't get to experience it for the first time with my Saturn controller now. Also my friend only has a PC so he's shit out of luck until the 29th and I feel bad for him now.

>we got good news and bad news
>bad news, pc version delayed
>good news, console version still releasing on 15th
Wow. They really hate PC keks

>>386952636
Wasn't the "good news" just them unboxing the collector's edition?

>>386952636
If they were honest publishers, they would have delayed all versions equally.
Clearly, they aren't.

>>386952884
Sonic Team did nothing wrong.

>>386952996
Sonic Team is a developer, not a publisher.

im gonna continue playing p5 and botw on my pc until i can pirate this too, so no biggie.

>>386950024
should have given away CD at least it's an updated version compared to the other games which are all emulated just with a fancy frontend

>>386953219
The joke here is that I own that one already too.

>>386952318
What good sonic game came out ten years ago?

I'm too disappointed by the fact that it ties into Forces to really give a shit about the delay. But if they are adding Denuvo, they can go to hell.

>>386955350
Why do we sperg out about Denuvo again?

>Grrr DRM is bad
I guarantee you most of the games you have on Steam use DRM

>>386948206
>When you are so beta that you have to get an online origami enthusiast board to make your decisions for you

Sort your life ouy

>>386953219
People would likely still own that one too, not to mention CD is shit.
Best case would have been PC ports of the mobile versions of Sonic 1 and 2.
>>386955435
Because it's development time and money spent on something that literally doesn't matter
>oh we have to worry about those pirates
>who will just wait like a month until it gets cracked and pirate it instead then
But it's mostly about the delay itself, not just the DRM.

>>386955558
It's common knowledge that for major releases, most of a game's sales happen within the first month or so. Evidently it's worth it for devs as they continue to do it.

>>386955435
3 reasons:
>Denuvo requires time to implement:
thats why the 2 weeks, and at the end its only to implement an imperfect and arbitrary solution to a nonexistent problem.

>Denuvo hits the performance in any game its used on:
possibly users with toasters wont be able to even play the game now.

>Denuvo locks the files and makes the game modding unfriendly:
One of the reasons PC mania was so anticipated is the posibility for hackers and sonic fans to mess with the game, just like they did with generations and lost world.

The Retro engine looks like the most powerful 16bit game making solution out there, something that things like GM or even Unreal would never do. but now that drm is possibly being implemented, that solution would dissapear.

>>386955435
Not that anon, I don't give two fucks about Denuvo. But why didn't they put it in a month ago? Why waiting 4 days before release? Why should it take two weeks and not only one?
All these questions, no answer from SEGA. They just give you a 30 years old rom to make you shut up.

>>386955873
>thats why the 2 weeks, and at the end its only to implement an imperfect and arbitrary solution to a nonexistent problem.
Firstly you don't even know if it's getting Denuvo. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's imperfect, but what other, better ways exist? Don't say "make a good game" because regardless of its quality, people are always going to want to pirate a single player game. Mania may be disappointing but I'd hardly call it "bad". Definitely the best Sonic game we've gotten this decade it's looking like.

>Denuvo hits the performance in any game its used on:
There is zero concrete evidence of this

Can't you still mod games with Denuvo? Look at NieR Automata for instance.

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>>386955936
it's just some meme these knuckleheads are spouting. there's nothing that says this is true. all speculation.

>>386955435
DRM is a necessary evil, but Denuvo has a lot of downsides for me as a paying customer that other weaker forms of DRM do not.

>>386955692
I wouldn't mind it as much if they actually removed it when it was cracked or within a sensible timeframe.

>pre-purchase Tekken 7
>Denuvo revealed a week before release
>pre-purchase Sonic Mania
>delayed 4 days before release, will probably have Denuvo, and they give me a ROM I already own as compensation
I think I should stop pre-purchasing games, clearly I'm cursed.

>>386956037
I mean, if it's not denuvo, this makes the delay even more dumb. Because there is no reason to delay it at all.

>>386948206
Pre ordered PS4 version to play it on release.
Keeping pc version to play on comfy pc.
Pirating Forces as payback.

>>386951080
That's not accurate at all. They said they broke 1.8 million sold as of July 26th, just a little later than that pic says.

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It's clearly obvious that Sega despises PC. Why else do they give it nothing but ports of old games while consoles get new releases? Sega has often complained about "port begging", and even made a "tongue in cheek" "joke" in a survey they had where they said something like "this is where you beg for games to come to PC".

Sega is fucking trolling PC gamers like they trolled Nintendo gamers in the 90s.

>>386956182
as everyone knows, according to sega the dealy is to review the game code ans implement some pc specific optimizations.

hours later Taxman puts a cryptic 'What if DNA has DRM?' post on his twitter, said post is now flooded with questions about the delay, becuase people believe its about implementing drm, specifically denuvo in mania.

some people say, that he was talking about an article that explains that some scientists managed to encode DNA with malware, fair enough...

...EXCEPT for the fact that Taxman, nor ANYBODY IN SEGA OR THE MANIA TEAM, has answered to clarify about the tweet whatsoever!

one of the main hits about the delay is that Taxman has been practically silent about this shit when all that he needs to do is clarify, hell, even if he admits that the game will have drm and explains why, we would accept it, because he is being HONEST with the fans, but since he isnt saying anything, we are all in the dark about this and getting fucked!

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>>386948206
Gonna double dip ad get it on my roommate's PS4.

Was planning to anyway, since they're getting it 12 hours before the original intended Steam unlock time.

It's shitty that they delayed it, especially if it's for some DRM shit, and I understand why people are fucking furious, but it's still a miracle that this game even got greenlit by fucking Iizuka. Beggars can't be choosers.

Anyone saying they're now not going to buy the game at all are really failing to see the big picture, and must not want more good Sonic games in the future. If they're fine with that, cool. If they ever bitch about how shitty the franchise is ever again, though, they only have themselves to blame.

>>386948206
>caring about a glorified romhack

>>386956763
I don't know if it's more infuriating their silence or the fact they are giving us Sonic 1 to make us silent.

>>386956837
sorry, but at least scratch that beggars line.

pc users are 100% innocent this time, we didnt do anything!

>>386957323
It seems SEGA believed those shitposters saying they would have pirated the game.

>>386957392
and thats the part that pisses me off the most here!

if theres ANYTHING that enrages me more than this delay is the fact that i, and in this case, THOUSANDS of people are being punished for something we didnt fucking do and getting the blame pinned on for a buch of cretins!.

I REALLY FUCKING HATE PAYING FOR THE MISTAKES OF OTHERS DAMMIT!

end of angry rant...

>>386948206
Touhou releases tomorrow.

My priority was Sonic but now it's gonna have to wait until I'm done with Touhou.

>>386950396
>real Sonic
>rehashed stages
>no new characters
>real Sonic
Love it when underages try to play oldschool.

>>386948206
Switch user here. Not only do I get the game on time, but I can play it ANYWHERE in the world. Take it with it.

The game still looks fantastic despite /v/irgins now shitting on it. I hope for a Sonic Mania 2 soon.

And guess what? I have a killer PC as well. Who is winning all around here? This guy

>>386957323
I'm a PC user too, anon. I know.

>100%
With all the shitposting, you know Sega had no reason to believe this to be the case. They're greedy jews selling a product. They want to maximize money. In hindsight, all of that "wake me up when the torrent is here" and "who /gonna pirate/ here?" shitposting should have worried me more than it did. Thanks a ton, you stupid niggers. You poked the sleeping jew bear.

I just got a switch but I would like to play with my Saturn controller so I will wait on PC.

>>386949453
You can emulate some of those on PC though.

>>386952134
As long as the classic fags stfu, yeah.

I hope it tanks too so those retards leave the franchise forever.

I guess that's what happens when you hire non-programmers to make your new game.

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>>386956763
>implement some pc specific optimizations

It's a fucking 2D game, it literally needs less computational power than embedded flash games. I can play Windows 95 2D games like Earthworm Jim or Pitfall with no problem, despite these games running on hardware no one expected to exist.

I'm getting it on Switch, the portability clinches it.

>>386958040
Go back to /sthg/ and talk about your dead Freedom Fighters

>>386948206
I'm just gonna switch to ps4.

There's no reason for the delay besides getting suckers to buy on both platforms.

>>386958123
i know, i was just explaining the situation, everyone that has been following this game properly knows for a fact that thats a load of bullshit.

Stealth has gone on record saying that the game went gold a month ago, also, any modification can EASILY be patched thru, it doesnt need to be delayed.

but yet they did to fuck with an innocent userbase in their blind quest for shekels.


if theres at least a itty-bitty-little bit of justice in this world, aaron would make an annuncement saying that the game would go back to its original rlease date or that we would get a better gift than a fucking ROM.

but it wont, we are gonna suffer on our shitty lifes while console users are geting all the fun.

>>386958280
Nah, I'll stick around to see your disappointed tears.

>>386958420
Sega hates PC. That's all there is to it.

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>>386958435
>disappointed tears
But I'm still getting the game I've wanted for years.

Can you say the same, Adventurecuck?

>>386958560
This is not the game you wanted and you know it.

>>386958361
Yeah, that sounds like the actual reason. All consoles so far have no piracy options. So they can maximize the sales on those platforms by delaying the PC version.
It's really a huge dick move. No way in hell I'm buying another SEGA product on PC after Mania.

>>386948206
Torrent will be here on 15th August

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>>386956128
Okay, I don't play modern PC games other than a few point and clicks like Thimbleweed Park.

Why is Denuvo bad?

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>>386958602
>I-I-I'ds not da gayme u wanted cuz I s-said so!
Adventurecucks are getting delusional and angry.

The reason for the delay is 100% piracy. That being said they are only delaying the inevitable.

>>386958602
thank you mind-reader-kun, I didn't know what I wanted until you found me.

>>386958640
Hopefully.
I didn't refund the game but I want to play it day one. So sorry, SEGA, but you are forcing me to pirate it.

>>386958602
>accurate physics
>large levels with sloping level design
>more than just Sonic playable
>comparable in length to 3K
>Sonic 1/2/CD sprite as the base over the shitty 3K one
I mean, I'd have picked Mystic Cave over Oil Ocean and added Amy and the Chaotix as playable characters, but it's pretty much on the money.

>>386958685
It’s not that it’s bad or good, it’s DRM.

The thing that makes it disingenuous in this specific casehowever is that Taxman got started by making Sonic hacks to begin with. It doesn’t speak well for a team filled with hacks to have their game say: We made this and made other Sonic games with hacks, but this one is the best and you cant dick around with it or ever best us, fuck you: it gives that sort of vibe to some.

I refunded. Gonna get Freedom Planet with the pretend Steam money.

>>386949453
I don't get you, Mikufag. No one actually cares about Miku games, only you list them up with other Sega games and you always stick out like a sore thumb. What are you hoping to achieve?

Is this getting a physical release, or is it digital only?

>>386958830
There's no way the devs would have a say on DRM practices though.

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Who /thegamelooksgreatandamgoingtoenjoyitanyways/ here?

>>386948206
refunded and am gonna buy on switch

>>386958830
Why are you tripfagging?

>>386958768
I'd skip the Forces tie-in, but if there's even the slimmest chance of Mania getting its own series off of this, I don't care if they made it tie in with ShtH.

>>386958867
I listed those games because Sega publishes the other four and Sonic. I would've included Initial D and Daytona 3 if they had console releases planned as well.

>>386958640
Woah....so this is the master race...

>>386958932
I think it does look pretty good. When you break it down to acts you're getting much more new content than old. I don't know why 3D fags are pushing that so hard.

>>386958910
Oh, I am awfully aware, but it still doesn’t look good.
>>386958945
Didn’t realize I had it on my phone, sorry.

>>386958932
The game is great. I'm going to enjoy it.
BUT the delay is still stupid, nonsensical and absolutely despicable. And exactly I'm going to enjoy the game, I am complaining about this. And I will never forget this.

>>386958950
>Forces tie-in
It can tie into whatever the fuck it wants to. I'm a gameplayfag, the story means dick.

They could remake the Adventure series onwards with the same plots, but as proper 2D classic games gameplay-wise, and I'd be totally fine with that.

>>386950050
>buggy mess
You poor deluded child.

>>386958640
I'll hold you to that, doctor.

>>386948206
>Game is digital only
Not buying

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>>386958932
Represent

>>386958830
You seriously think this was Taxman's call?

Like, I am so, so so so so so SOOOOOOOO happy that you don’t play as Classic Sonic in this game, or Forces. I am actually hyped and it feels nice.

>>386958932
the same, but still.

if theres a way to go to the office of the fuckers at sega who greenlighted this bullshit i would go and go allah akbhar on their asses!

>>386958640
It has denuvo.

>>386959152
What does he not count as Classic Sonic because he's not the Sonic 1 sprite or something?

>>386959110
Of course I don’t. It’s still a bad look.

>>386948206
I'm just too mad about the situation to enjoy playing the game right now. Even if I chill out by the 29th, it'll be 2 weeks since knowing almost everything about the game so there won't be 1/10th as exciting. I'm not pirating. I just probably won't play it at all.

>>386958932
Yep!

>>386959110
>Taxman can do no wrong!

>>386949453
It doesn't matter if I've never given anything to you. If I promise you something amazing for a year then delay it 3 days later while everyone else gets it, you'd be pissed.

>>386959241
Reviewers has the pre-Denuvo versionand are playing it right now

>>386958932
I'm gonna enjoy it, just for free

>>386958932
Me, but SEGA is still faggy for this.

>>386959242
It literally is not Classic Sonic, it’s Pint-Sized Sonic. We learned/realized this hours ago with the Forces connection. THis is this Sonic’s first game.

So now there’s 3 Canon Sonics.

1. Sonic The Hedgehog: The one we call modern Sonic now whose past younger self we refer to as classic Sonic.

2. Sonic Boom Sonic.

3. This Sonic, aka Pint-Sized Sonic as featured in Mania and Forces.

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>>386958932
I legit think they charged too little and only realised over time it was the game people were hyped for

I really hope this means we get more old sonic in the style of the intro like the Wonder Boy remake

>>386958685
It isn't. Only buttblasted pirates dislike it.

>>386959406
And why does this make you so, so happy?

>>386959467
Because it doesn’t fuck up with canon, chronology or timeline, helps enable a future were Sonic moves forward without having to take a step back, and allows for tweak classic-inspired gameplay to always be availed along side him.

It’s literally win win win.

Win for canon, win for timeline, win for games, win for gameplay, win for story, win for number of games.

It’s literally the best thing they could have done to ensure the scope and quality fo the franchise.

>>386959335
>Taxman is responsible for every single detail of the game. He's the only man in charge and he is his only own boss. He's the only man responsible for the decision to delay the game

>>386959406
Cyan Sonic went on the same adventures as MU Sonic. His universe is just slightly divergent - now more so because he's been pulled from his into the MU. That's it.

I lack a Xbone/PS4/Switch so I'm stuck waiting.

>>386959691
Mu?

>>386959708
Welcome to the club.
I might pirate if it somehow leaks and pay for it when it's out.

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streaming sonic adventure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg0TUpaCTRY

>>386959809
Are you good enough to get all the emblems?

>>386959809
reported stream

>>386959691
Eggman specifically refers to him as a "pint-sized sonic from another dimension" Mania Sonic is not the same one we grew up with

>>386959764
Main Universe.

>>386959962
Exactly. So yeah, 3 canon game Sonic, all different.

Classic Sonic is NOT Pint-Sized SOnic. Classic Sonic is not playable in Mania or Forces.

SEGA took us for one hell of a Ruse Cruise.

>>386959434
>charging more than 20$ for a romhack
>charging for a romhack
Should've been a free bonus for buying Forces.

>>386959962
When does he say that? Generations?

>>386948206
PC is the only option I have, so I'm forced to wait. Personally I don't buy the "game optimization" bullshit that SEGA is trying to spew. There's definitely some kind of fuckery going on, but whatever. I'm not gonna cancel my preorder.

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>>386958932
>tfw double dipping and getting it for the PC and the Switch

>>386959962
And in his own video game and accompanying story we see that he has gone on the same adventures as the Sonic we know. Nothing you say there is contradictory to what I am saying. Only what you're assuming about it is.

This is just "rose by another name" shit. Dimensions are equivalent to timelines in function. Cyan Sonic and Main Universe Sonic have a shared back story as best we know. Being from different dimensions doesn't change this. They did the same things.

>>386949453
only yakuza matter from that list.

and im sure it is coming to pc somehow

I don't know about you /v/ros but I absolutely CANNOT possibly WAIT to receive my free copy of a Genesis ROM of the first Sonic game instead of the Taxman remake!!

Shoutouts to SEGA for putting AAA DRM on their 186MB game!!

>>386958932
>>386960156
>separated at birth

>>386960107
Nvm found it

>>386959406
>>386959962
What the fuck are you talking about

Mania is a direct sequel to 3&K

This is like saying modern sonic in forces is not the same modern sonic because infinite calls him "little blue savior". I guess every sonic game is a reboot because the villain uses trash talk.

>>386948206
Get both versions and pirate Forces as compensation>>386948206

PC is my only option, don't have any current gen consoles.
All I can do is wait out the extra two weeks. I've already waited over a year so I guess I can wait another two weeks.

So did mark complete the game? What was the true final boss?

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>>386959962
>Mania Sonic is not the same one we grew up with
According to Mania's story he is, the timeline must've split after Sonic 3&K.

>>386948206
>Side scrolling game that could be run on a ps1
>Playing it on a overpriced box that's made for shooting and rts
Oh the kekist of keks

jesus waiting 10 days isnt hard shit or something

does none of you have lifes?

it seems they focused on more console versions rather testing pc versions with different hardware, instead of releasing buggy,non optimized shit they will patch , make drivers for it probably so it will work ok instead of shit launch and giving bad name to game

>>386960361
The split must be Sonic Generations.

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I don't play video games as they come out. I don't understand why you would.

Sega still trolling mustard race
BASED fucking Sega

>>386960296
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvl8ajOmXS8
30 seconds in he states that he's from another dimension, not just Sonic from the past like in Generations.

toot toot sonic warrior

>>386960402
Jesus fucking Christ, I must have been talking to marketers all this time. Drivers? Are you fucking dense? It's good that they're delaying a game 4 days away from release because it was mismanaged? Are you fucking retarded?

>>386960463
Could be. Since sonic saw his future it could have altered things ever so slightly such that he went into the sonic mania timeline rather than adventure and the subsequent events.

>>386960402
we would if sega were honest with us, its that simple.

all taxman needs to do is say 'yes were putting drm, sorry' or 'no, we discovered a horrible bug'

and yet sega wants to be silent and give us a fucking rom everyone has as a sorry gift.

>>386960640
Sonic saw the hideous end point of his plastic surgery addiction and decided to never start.

>Mania connecting to Forces
>Maybe this means that now each time we get a Sonic Team's Sonic game, we'll also get a 2D game made by Taxman's team

I'm OK with this.

What if the game comes out on PC without DRM?

>>386960546
>30 seconds in he states that he's from another dimension, not just Sonic from the past like in Generations.

That makes no sense with everything else out there

It's a throw away line because the dialogue writer doesn't give a fuck. They had to write thousands of autistic lines because the they think kids love characters that won't shut up. Maybe they are right.

But when will we get a new Mean Bean Machine game?

>>386960361
I'll link this with Archie comics.

In the classic game, we have Robotnik.
Eggman is "Robotnik" from another dimension, he arrived in Classic Sonic dimension and killed the original Robotnik.

>>386960837
Have you seen the ending of Mania? It clearly is not classic sonic, this is a brand new Sonic, pint-sized Sonic.

>>386960837
>That makes no sense with everything else out there
Why not? He's the Sonic from Sonic Mania, makes sense to me.

Delayed 2 weeks on PC, for performance issues? Calling bullshit. This was an anti-piracy/double dipping delay.

>>386959617
>win for gameplay
Only if shitSonic stops invading places that he doesn't belongs like Forces.

>>386960793
This, the fanbase is always divided on the direction they want Sonic to go, so just have the series go in two different directions at the same time.

2D Sonic is fucking trash, and so is boostshit.

>wants to counter pirates
>punishes customers instead
>"why are there more pirates now?"

>>386961262
You still won't please some people.
>>386961318

>>386961318
adventurecuck

>>386948206
>don't want to wait another 2 weeks.
A literal child.

>>386948206
I cancelled my preorder and I'm just getting it on Switch.

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Wow 14 days, how fucking tragic

Anyway, how is your Backlog doing /v/?

Altough im eager to play, I couldn't care less about the delay, plenty of vidya to play in the meantime

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>>386961361
Who cares.

why would you play it on anything other than a Switch?

>>386961502
Damn. That pretty much sums shit up here dunnit?

Can you do one for my dream where all three get some kind of contemporary game and nobody gets assblasted because of it?

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Don't look, Rosyboys.

>>386949453
I am just mad about the whole
>hey guys we gotta optimize a game that will run on absolutely every toaster and has already been done for a couple of weeks ;^)
thing. I am 100% sure it's just delayed to add some shitty copy protection mechanism. Fucking Denuvo on Sonic, man.

>>386961613
Having choices is a good thing.

>>386960964
You're not reading his posts

He's saying mania sonic isn't classic sonic. That's stupid

>>386961502
>shoes edited in
why is this so fucking funny

>>386961635
Tiny Tails a cute

>>386961663
Mania sonic is classic sonic, but Mania sonic in forces isn't the same as classic sonic.

Sonic 1 -> Sonic CD -> Sonic 2 -> Sonic 3 & Knuckles -> Sonic Generations -> Timesplit into Mania on one line and Sonic Adventure on the other.

Legit question here
I'm really excited about the game and playing classic sonic again and not 3D werewolf bullshit like everybody else, question is, why are there so many daily threads about the game, is there that much to discuss, it's just a sonic game, regardless of how excited I am I can't seem to think what to talk or shitpost about

>>386961841
When was it confirmed that the 'classic Sonic' in Forces is Mania Sonic and not 'Generations Sonic'

>>386948206
Thanks for beta testing consolefags.

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>>386949962
It's, like, sanicfags are pretty autistic, huh?

>>386961613
I like having a functional d-pad and peripherals that don't bend.

>>386961937
Because eggman says so in a forces gameplay video.

>>386961937

Eggman calls him "a pint sized Sonic from another dimension" during the Egg Dragoon boss.

>>386960946
Here let me satisfy you fixation with that line

It's not mania sonic that's from a different dimension than classic/generations sonic. Forces sonic is in a different dimension from classic/generations.

Original Dimension timeline
Classic -> Mania -> Modern/Generations (Classic from the past)

Forces Dimension timeline
Forces (Mania from the other dimension)

Iizuka even said forces was a reboot. I think this is the only thing he could mean.

>>386962064
>Iizuka even said forces was a reboot
That was a joke news article, idiot.

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>>386949453
>Project Diva

Really fampai?

>>386962064
I'm thinking this is more likely than not.

>>386962014
>>386962030
Okay, that proves that the classic Sonic (or whatever) in Forces is from another dimension.

But I'm asking where it specifically states that that 'dimension' is Mania, and that Mania Sonic is the Sonic in Forces thats with long armed new Sonic.


I want confirmation, because if there isnt confirmation that Mania Sonic is in Forces, then theres no reason to infer that Mania Sonic is a "different alternate universe Sonic' and not just Sonic after 3 and Knuckles.

How are the CD levels in this game? Are they much different from the ones in CD? Did they fix them?

>>386962107
Poe's law

06 was branded as a reboot with no reason to think so otherwise

>>386962174
They managed to make them enjoyable.

REMINDER THAT IIZUKA IS WHY WE HAVE 1 COMPLETE GAME INSTEAD OF A PACKAGE OF 1 + 2 WITH MAYBE 2 MORE ZONES.

>>386962064
I think the Modern Sonic in Forces is actually Modern Mania Sonic. The Forces timeline takes place in the Mania timeline in the future.

>>386962174
Stardust Speedway Act 1 incorporates some elements from Marble Garden

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>>386948206
Honestly, I wouldn't that upset about the PC delay if they didn't announce it four days before the release. I suppose I could just buy it for the Switch if I really want it day one, but I'd rather get it on PC and I don't wanna buy two versions of Mania.

>>386962267
What?

>>386962157
>because if there isnt confirmation that Mania Sonic is in Forces

Infinite has the pink stone on his neck and makes the pink stone noise. Mania sonic travels through a dimensional portal in the ending. It's confirmed.

>then theres no reason to infer that Mania Sonic is a "different alternate universe Sonic' and not just Sonic after 3 and Knuckles.

We know that mania is a direct sequel to the classics and S3&K. The only logical conclusion is that forces takes place in a new dimension from the previous games, not mania.

>>386962157

Forces Classic Sonic has the drop dash.

On top of that, there's the obviously-related-to-Infinite plot device that Mania introduces as well.

>>386961613
im not retard pays 300$ for tablets

>>386962316
>The Forces timeline takes place in the Mania timeline in the future.

This whole discussion is contrived from a line that says mania sonic is from a different dimension, not the past

>>386962452
>The only logical conclusion is that forces takes place in a new dimension from the previous games, not mania.
Or that both dimensions are nearly identical to the point of not mattering "which" one is the original and the only reason it's being done is to excuse Classic Sonic in another boost game.

>>386962479
where is this said? is there any video/article about this?

>>386962691
The leaks. It's Mania's core plot.

>>386962452
>Infinite has the pink stone on his neck and makes the pink stone noise

Okay I have to clarify I am mostly only interested in Mania, haven't really spoiled myself on whats in it (other than the acts) and I have a passing interest in Forces because the create-a-character and have no idea what storyline elements you're referring to and who "Infinite" is.

But okay, Mania ends with Sonic going into a portal to lead into their next game. That makes more sense that 'Forces' is in a new universe, especially considering you play as this new character. I apprecaite that thought process than the other anon in this thread who kept saying that Mania is not in the same canon as everything else and he's not the original Sonic.


I mean, honestly, I'm a Nintendo guy at heart but I love Classic Sonic and someone trying to act like Mania Sonic isnt /ourguy/ and trying to mix all these weird dimensions .. I don't know. I got confused myself writing this .. when did Sonic get so fucking weird with dimensions. I stopped playing after Adventure 2 other than playing Generations.

>>386962628
I agree that they don't give a shit and I don't either. I don't think the sonic team cares about continuity or the difference between past/future and dimensions.

But even if you're making a lot of conclusions out of a little, forces being its own dimension makes way more sense than mania being its own dimension.

>>386961932
It became a Sonic general thread like you would expect. The comfy Sonic thread /v/ would have occasionally happening every few hours.

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>Mania with classic sonic
>Forces with classic sonic
Really missing 2010

>>386962437
He's saying Mania could have been just ports of the taxman 1+2 with a couple new zones to sweeten the deal. But Iizuka pitched the mania concept

>>386963054
I'll take either Classic Sonic over the 2D sections that make up the vast majority of that game.

>>386962437
Taxman and team approached Iizuka with Taxman ports of 1+2 for PC/consoles plus a few new zones (they demoed Studiopolis to Iizuka), at the time the project was called Sonic Discovery, but Iizuka thought it would be better to make it a true canon successor to the classics and greenlit a whole game remixing classic levels similar to Generations.

>>386948206
Buying the PS4 version and pirating the PC version when it comes out. I wanted the PC version initially but because of this delay, I am forced to buy the PS4 version. That's just shitty PR. Announcing the delay THIS close to release should have been padded with a free non-giftable Steam key for Mania when pre-ordering the console version. That would've been the right thing to do I think. Instead they just gave us Sonic 1, which 99% of people buying Sonic Mania already probably have on Steam. Even then, the game costs, what, $2? It's unfair to everyone who wants the best experience out of the game. I'm really disappointed in them for waiting until the last minute to announce this, and also hardly spilling what exactly they meant by "polishing" the PC version.

I never even knew so many people hated Oil Ocean until just now. Why does everyone hate it?

>>386963298
>buy the console version
>pirate the PC version
>why is the PC version being delayed tho?

So is Infinite something Eggman created using the gem from Mania?

Why are people discussing canon in Sonic games

It does not matter

>>386963403
For fun.

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Guys was anything else leaked?? Serious question. I was here for thursday but was there another stream yesterday?

>>386962267
You say that as if I wouldn't trade up Mania immediately for Taxman 1 and 2.

>>386963381
Hopefully not for some shitty DRM scheme. But if they seriously delayed Mania for two weeks on the platform with arguably the most vocal and articulated fanbase on the internet just so that they could force some DRM into it, it would utterly destroy PR for Sonic Team, which is literally the only thing selling their games to people over the age of 10. Nostalgia and really good PR.

>>386963520
We found out that you don't play as classic Sonic. You play as Pint-Sized Sonic, a new character.

>>386963520
Super Sonic and true Final Boss

>>386963542
Taxman 1 + 2 + Studiopolis + Mirage Saloon isn't a bad deal, but at the end of the day the levels are LITERALLY the exact same from our childhood except widescreen. At least Mania makes everything feel fresh. I think I'd take Mania over Discovery.

>>386963520
Ending after you beat the Super Sonic boss seems to tie into Forces.

I'm mad as fuck but ultimately I want to buy the game anyway because it looks good, so I'm not going to bother cancelling my preorder. However I've resolved to spoiling the entire game for myself anyway and ruining the experience. Its pretty hard though, I missed the stream and all the videos of it are shit and shattered into fragments.

>>386963648
Yeah, instead we get some shitty picks with 4 stages. I stand by my statement.

>>386963625
What do you get from doing blue sphere? Has it been confirmed yet?

>>386963520
We found out you don't play as modern Sonic. You play as Little Blue Savior Sonic, a new character.

>>386963214
Why would you want a Sonic with no moves?

I have other games to play while I wait a couple weeks. It's not a big deal in the slightest.

>>386963734
>shitty picks
I'm happy with all the picks aside from Oil Ocean.

>>386963698
>>386963625
So who was the final boss? Eggman again or the king heavy?

>>386963736
Not really. The extras menu is still full of questions marks as well.

>>386948895
>spoilers for a fucking sonic game

>>386963520
The game isn't a sequel to 3K, but actually the first adventure for Pint-Sized Sonic and a prequel to Forces.

>>386963298
>That's just shitty PR. Announcing the delay THIS close to release should have been padded with a free non-giftable Steam key for Mania when pre-ordering the console version.
But they're delaying it so people feel compelled to double dip.

>>386963818
Both

>>386963818
Both.

>>386963734
Said picks are actually new and different though. Discovery doesn't do the same.

>>386963736
Not yet, Rosyboys still holding out hope.

>>386949453
For the record I have been pretty upset that puyo Tetris wasn't on PC. There is no decent version of Tetris on steam.

>>386963648
Mania has nearly all of my favorite zones and the remixes look like they're going to wind up being my favorite versions of those zones. I absolutely do not regret Mania coming to be.

The only zone that looks weak in Mania is Press Garden. The visuals don't fit and the stage design looked boring.

Meanwhile Metallic Madness and Titanic Monarch look like the best ending stages in series history, Oil Ocean was made better by adding gimmicks from Sandopolis of all fucking things, and Lava Reef was given some much needed speed and flow while maintaining its original Marble Zone inspiration.

11/10 fucking game. Easily my GOAT of all time 2D Sanic.

>>386963881
Stop saying that. That's not true.

>>386963819
>>386963964
Well shit. The ride continues I guess.

>pint-sized Sonic
Y-you guys are joking right?

Official timeline:
Sonic 1-3k, Generations, Sonic 4, Sonic Mania, Sonic Forces

>>386963881
>>386960361

>>386964023
I agree that Metallic Madness 2.0 looks like a 10/10 stage.

>>386963520
Forces isn't a sequel to generations, but actually the first adventure for Little Blue Savior Sonic and a sequel to Mania

>>386948206
Pre-order cancelled and now I'm going to play other games instead.

>>386957832
>rehashed stages
You mean expanded and remade from the g round up?
>no new characters
Good? If this is a canon game it takes place long before Sonic meets even the Chaotix. The worst thing about nuSonic is all the retarded furbait characters that don't provide any compelling gameplay.

>>386963375
I hated it as a kid because I sucked at it. Now it's one of my favorite levels. Also
>12 game overs

>>386960361
Alternate universe with similar events.

>>386964232
Yes that's what forces is desu

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>>386963964
>Implying it isn't Metal Sonic
We saw he had a spindash after all.

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>Modern Sonic brings back the Wisps (did anyone actually like them?) and features more Colors-tier level design, where the stages are 10% 3D corridors and 90% poorly designed 2D sections
>No effort has been made to fix Generations' janky physics for Classic's gameplay
>Avatar is a worse Modern Sonic and, according to people who got to play demos, its Wispon gimmick is clunky as fuck
>No good music so far outside of the instrumental main theme
>Green Hill and Chemical Plant AGAIN
>Fucking faggot friends won't shut the fuck up during gameplay
>Looks slightly worse than Generations, a 7 year old game
>They decided to bring back Sonic 06's director and chief game designer to work on this game for some godforsaken reason
>Likely to have an 06 tier story but it's ok because le edgy memes xddd
>yet people say Mania's the blunder
??????

>>386963925
Perhaps, at least that might be one of the reasons. They probably had little qualms regarding the delay knowing they'll make up for it in extra sales. Which is precisely why I have no qualms pirating the PC version.
It's not so much that there WAS a delay that bothers me, it's the fact that it's so last-minute and they won't explain what exactly is causing the delay. Considering they've been so transparent up until this point, that really worries me.

>>386964023
umm how is lava reef better? Its missing the neat black out from the lava to the next act 2. And its missing that silent story of watching the death egg in the background launching off, transitioning into hidden palace zone..

I think thats something this game is missing.. its missing the charm or mystic those old games had...

Where as the charm they added instead is sorta the novelty of adding things like mean bean machine, little amys as bad guys etc. Which is like... "neat" for long time fans.. But not exactly something you will remember in a fond way the same way you do things like those little stage transitions etc, details in the background from the old series.

>>386964425
>>Looks slightly worse than Generations, a 7 year old game
Quite the understatement. It looks worse than Colors.

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>>386960361
This blurb really doesn't cover the absurd shit that happens in the opening
>the crystal thing just happens to be the exact spot Knuckles was hiding when you first meet him
>It randomly teleports you to (or turns Angel Island into) GHZ
>The generic Eggrobos suddenly have unique designs

>>386964571
Time is convoluted.

>>386964369
There's Metal sprites in the game?

>>386958932
me

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>>386964202
>You mean expanded and remade from the g round up?
So, rehashed?

Remember when people were bitching about Sonic 4's stages to the point where SEGA made an effort to only have new stages in Episode II? Where's the backlash against Mania for pulling this shit?
Hell, unlike Sonic 4, Mania actually pulls a bunch of sections and music straight from their originals.

I think this proves that classicfags are mentally ill.

>Good?
But """real Sonic""" always added a new character each game. I guess you don't actually want """real Sonic"""

Classicfags are fucking cancer.

>>386964689
You fight metal sonic. He has a spin dash in a segment of it.

>>386964369
Did he have a spindash? I don't remember that. I did see he had a floating animation that looked exactly like Sonic's though which was suspicious.

Metal Sonic is definitely a lot more likely than Rosy at this point. She'll just have to wait for the next game.

>>386964689
He's a boss fight, I'm sure you can guess which zone.

>>386950595
Nobody's ever heard of you, nigga

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>>386963375
I really like the aesthetics of Oil Ocean, but it has some annoying level design in the original.

From what I've seen, they made the level design much tighter and it looks really good. Same for Metallic Madness.

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Between work and other vidya, I've got plenty to do anyways.

>>386964425
>yet people say Mania's the blunder
Because unlike Mania, Forces is more than a nostalgia-pandering romhack.

>>386964751
>>386964759
Ah cool, yeah spin dash animations might confirm.

I can imagine there has to be some sort of 4th character. Metal would be cool, so would Amy (as long as its classic CD style)

>>386964747
Blame Iizuka. Sonic Discovery didn't have any of the remixed stages in its first phase.

>>386948206
Retard bought a Switch

>>386956016
Piracy will always happen. The problem is people consider piracy a problem. Every single independent study ever conducted regarding piracy has determined that piracy INCREASES sales. Piracy is nothing more than free advertising.

The best thing to do is not treat consumers like they're criminals by adding DRM. Pirates don't have to deal with DRM because they crack it, DRM only affects the consumers. Developers and publishers need to compete with piracy by providing a product that is just as convenient and incentivize purchases with extras like manuals, soundtracks, and other things.

>>386964571
Fucking this. I still don't really know what the opening and ending really meant. It's so poorly told.

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>>386964747
>So, rehashed?
No.

Is there already an OST rip of the song when Heavies/Robots gather collect the gem then there is a za warudo?

>>386948206
It's probably going to get slapped with denuvo, might as well cancel it and get a different game.

>>386955936
Sega of Europe decided at the last minute they wanted DRM. Sega of Europe is known for causing issues.

>>386951835
Yet if they released it with glitches, you PCfags would be having a fucking goat

If they delay this shit and Taxman didn't fix the FPS probably with his Sonic CD port in this they can fuck themselves.

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>Sega is so against the friends that they would split the timeline and introduce Classic Sonic as a new, separate character through another game.
What the fuck did the fanbase say to them about the cast to make them go this far?

>>386952884
But if there's an issue with the PC version and not the others, then why delay all?

>>386965262
FPS problem*

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>this intro
>tee lopes lava reef remix

This game is going to take a big fat shit on Forces

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>>386964940
It would would have just been the original zones we got with ports bundled in.

>>386965321
People wanted to play as Sonic only so this is their workaround. Thankfully the OC character could lead to friends returning

>>386964747
>SEGA made an effort to only have new stages in Episode II
>Aquatic Ruin
>Oil Ocean
>Wing Fortress
>S3&K Death Egg

Not much of an effort desu.

>>386961635
:3

pretty cute

>>386965483
>sega of america is retarded

In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet

>>386956837
Where'd you see the earlier release time for PS4?

>>386965224
You don't realize your game is broken 5 days away from release, let alone drop the bomb in a surprise stream. This is very obviously an excuse for something else and all signs point towards Denuvo.

>>386965532
Nigger what? What we got is literally better than just getting the 4 zones and nothing else. You're the retard around here.

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>>386964571
Same with Sonic 3. It was so confusing I had no idea wtf was going on.
>Sonic is super but I didn't get the chaos emeralds????
>A red hedgehog comes up and beats SUPER SONIC?????????????
>You're randomly not on South Island I don't understand what helop@21@!11
>Suddenly there is bosses in the MIDDLE?!?!
>Why does Robotnik have new music.
>Who was that red hedgehod (redghog????)
>And it doesn't get better at the end redghog just falls off scaffolding and dies why was he more powerful than Super Sonic where did the emerlads go why is Robotnik's suit of armor just arms now in 2 it had legs too wtf
Face it. Sonic stories are just confusing messes.

>>386965589
Instead we get 1/8 of each game. Hooray.

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>>386965483
Iizuka was our hero all along

>>386965321
They really wanted to not repeat the mistakes of 06 and at the time muh friends was a pretty common complaint so they made sure to only have Sonic playable.

>>386965321
Sonic 06 had so many playable characters and was such a huge trainwreck that it made everyone despise everyone who wasn't Sonic. And we're still seeing the effects of it to this day. Just look at people here who are still mad at Rosyfags for wanting her even though a) it'd be Classic and not Modern and b) she wouldn't even talk

>>386965581
I suppose that's a possibility. Would seem like overkill on a 20 dollar game though

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>>386964747
>Remember when people were bitching about Sonic 4's stages to the point where SEGA made an effort to only have new stages in Episode II?

Remember how Episode II still played, looked, and sounded like shit? Mania doesn't
>>386965589
>didn't actually read what SoA's original proposal was in said image

>>386965663
You're gonna keep pretending they're the same levels copy pasted huh? We got more original content than we would have in this case and those ports will inevitably happen anyway.

>>386965262
What FPS problem?

>>386965620
Wow, it's almost like the Classic games were gameplay oriented and not about the story.

If you want story, play Adventure or some retarded shit.

>>386965814
Not even the backgrounds are 1:1 yet people are still pushing this meme. What's it going to take to end it?

>>386965814
>and those ports will inevitably happen anyway.
That's what I've been told since they came out on phones. And now when they were supposed to happen, I got Iizuka'd.

>>386965663
Holy shit you're retarded. The world would genuinely be a better place if you drank bleach right now.

>>386965806
That was the TAXMAN'S proposal. Learn to fucking read.

>>386965670
Broken clock and all that.

>>386965883
That's pretty much the point he was making dipshit.

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>>386953635
Sonic 06 :<)

>>386965818
The game is meant to run at 60Hz but it will run at whatever framerate your monitor is set to, if you have a monitor with a refresh rate over 60Hz the game will run sped up beyond its normal speed. There is no setting in the game to lock it to 60Hz, so you have to go into your GPU driver settings and change the display setting to 60Hz. Even Sega shit emulation port of Sonic1-3 doesn't do that shit.

>>386965620
>i dont read the manual that comes with my game
underage retard get the fuck out. all of that is explained in the booklet fuckwad

>>386964369
Metal Sonic is cuter than Amy anyway.

http://www.kickasstorrents.com/sonic-mania-1_01-crack-reloaded/

IT'S HERE, YOU GUYS

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yeah Mania sucks etc. anyway

Did anyone else wonder why Miku wasn't in Sega All-Stars Racing? She is almost Sonic level iconic yet she wasn't in the game? I thought Sega owned the IP?

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>>386966516
>it's real

>>386950024
The written letter by Aaron Webber said that you can gift the copy if you already own Sonic 1. Try harder.

>>386966516
Don't download this it creates mustard gas.

>>386966516
HOLY SHIT IT'S REAL