Sonic Mania Thread

>>386931426
I like both games so I enjoy it
I think newer fans will get a kick out of the concept.

STOP HATING ON MANIA BOTH IT AND FORCES WILL BR GREAT GAMES THANK YOU

>>386931426
Vote here
http://www.strawpoll.me/13687579

>>386931470
>>386931459
These speak the truth.

>>386931426
>>386931459
>>386931470
Fuck off Cybershell

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>the absolute fucking state of manianiggers
Couldn't handle the fact that there are a shitton of people cancelling their preorders for your little Forces ad?

Posting again for new thread.

>>386931379
I wouldn't be against a game that takes place chronologically between Advance 1 and advance 2. Advance 2 happens before Sonic Adventure, so it would be a chance to see some cool pre-E Series bots (Zero was in Advance 2) for the last time, including Egg Robo.

IF they pull the card with Pint-Sized Sonic instead, all I would add is maybe a handful of new tricks (nothing too much, maybe slight tweaks or bring back a 3rd function like Super Peel Out or something, I don't know), but add Amy as a playable character.

That said I would love it if we could get some classic styled games with Modern Sonic. Like the Sonic Advance series.

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>>386931470
Forces has opotential if they give modern good physics and leave the classic physics to Taxman now that Mania is finished.

I don't know what the fuck the deal is with the OC character though. Like, does he actually get his own levels in Forces or is he just thrown into Classic/Modern Sonic's path for each zone but given some stupid weapon to use on enemies that Sonic could kill with one homing jump attack?

VOTE HERE
http://www.strawpoll.me/13687664
http://www.strawpoll.me/13687664
http://www.strawpoll.me/13687664
http://www.strawpoll.me/13687664

>>386931528
It doesn't at all, because this game doesn't fuck up with Chronology. You don't actually play as Classic Sonic, you play as Pint-Sized Sonic. It's genius, and win win win!

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Guys, give me a under 127-character post that will shitter shatter Taxman.

>>386931617
You missed my question in the last thread, about a Sonic Advance spiritual sequel.

>>386931426
>Am I the only one who finds it cool how they're tying in Sonic Mania and Forces?
No, Forces is going to be crap because it's modern Sonic Team. Mainia was expected to be a standalone classic Sonic game made with love of the original games in mind. Now that is tainted and just a shows to be a cash grab ad for the new OC game.

>>386931624
Thank you for being bold and not making it Classic Sonic.

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tfw no All-Stars Racing Transformed sequel

>>386931624
How could you knowingly lie about something you loved.

>>386931624
u suck lol

>>386931645
Generations was fun.

>>386931645
Weird. Are you saying 3 is a tainted cash grab for shamelessly sharing half of its story with a game released later in the year it released too or are you just a contrarian shitposter?

Not really interested in connections since forces seems crap to me.
Still hyped for mania thou

>>386931624
"Explain why the PC version is getting a two-week delay while giving us nothing to compensate."

>>386931514
Who?

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>>386931483
>plenty of zones for a classic Sonic game
>old stages are basically new because layouts expanded greatly, new music, and new mechanics
>has actual lore like Sonic 3 and ties into another Sonic game like Sonic 3 & Knuckles did
>best special stage

Fuck no I'm not disappointed. I'm upset about the PC delay, but the game itself is still as great as I expected. It's just /v/ doing that thing where they try to shitpost rampantly about any anticipated new game if anything is found out about it before release so that they can get people canceling pre-orders or losing hype due to spoilers.

>>386931761
>>386931747
Fuck off shill.

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comic summarizing current events here if any of y'all are just tuning in. thank you.

>>386931787
Foolish

>>386931624
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I'v

>>386931719
Generations and Colors were good for sure and I'm surprised they managed that. But now they are back into their crap pit that I doubt they will ever come back out of until Sonic Team is purged of it's current members.

>>386931624
DRON'T GO TROO FAR MANIA TEAMU!!!!

>>386931740
>>386931761

>Force & knuckles are totally the same thing guys

>>386931589
But mania is not finished.
Forces is, since classic shows no sign of improvement after five years.

The fact that there's a "classic" Sonic and modern one in the same game is probably the lamest thing I've ever heard.

They barely look different, and more importantly, it seems like the developers made this move based solely on "hardcore" fans who didn't like modern Sonic, instead of there actually being two distinct characters. It's a very desperate attempt to appease them.

>>386931828
Unironically this

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>>386931787
>anyone with an opinion differing from my uncontrollable pessimistic viewpoint of everything is a shill
Go back to Lawbreakers threads so that you can be hype over video games failing.

>>386931514
I'm like 90% certain cybershell dipped once the leaks started. Reason being "today i will remind them" and anti-sonic 4 posted soon after, he hasn't tweeted since the 7th too
would be fucking hilarious if he went on an internet blackout to not get spoiled and opens up steam on august 15th to see "release date: august 29th"
this would be hilarious if it happened to anyone but it'd be the most hilarious if it happened to cybershell.

>>386931807
Explains it perfectly good job anon

>>386931645
>game makes reference to mean bean machine
wow so cool
>game makes reference to daytona usa
thats so awesome
>game makes reference to obscure popcorn machine
this game is so great look at that attention to detail
>game makes reference to forces
THE GAME IS FUCKING RUINED WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT ITS JUST AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR FORCES FUCK THIS SHIT CANCELLED MY PREORDER BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY

>>386931642
Look at her first reply in this thread.

>>386931905
*stopped being posted soon after
god fucking damn it every time with these typos

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>>386931624 Post this image.
But seriously, Taxman did nothing wrong.

>>386931807
Noice

>>386931841
They're the same in terms of tying in a story together between two games. Although, Sonic Forces WILL also have the exact same Classic Sonic as Mania, so yes, it technically is similar gameplay-wise too.

>>386931882
Well they tried having modern sonic in 4 and everyone bitched about the eye color

>>386931947 Why does my post look like this? Shit.

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>>386931923
>game about Sonic's history references older Sonic titles and things from Sega's past
>this is equivalent to being a cliffhanger and blatant advertisement for a $40 game

>>386931947
>tfw "DON'T GO TOO FAR MRANIA TEAM" shitposters were right all along
i mocked them but they got the last laugh
god fucking damn it

>>386931923
It's more of the principle that this game was made to be used as a marketing device for Forces that is just really shitty.

>>386931976
The person that did was actually praising it, not bitching about it.

well ive ruined the game with leaks

>wtf why is classic sonic in forces with no explanation
>it's explained why classic sonic is in forces
>wtf mania is a shameless forces ad refunded

>>386931905
Someone should pm him everything we know :^)

>>386932068
Ruined, or made better?

I personally was meh, then ugh, and now hyped.

>>386932076
Could of explained why classic sonic was in Forces by having it be explained in Forces.

>>386931426
Game still looks great, and I would have loved to buy it to show support, but the delay pissed me off so much that I cancelled my preorder.
Hopefully enough people buy it to warrant a Mania 2. I'm not.

>>386932029
The japanese are too proud of thier levels to let baka gaijin make an entirely original game that could outshine them

>Mania is just a advert for Forces
kek, good to know it's shit and got BTFO by Forces.

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>>386931761
This nigga here knows what's up. Fucking /v/ going into autistic fits of rage over a great game being released.

>>386931807
You are doing God's work anon.

>>386932121
>could of

>>386932101
but I won't find out about all the cool zones now

>>386931807
saved

Crossposting, but still wanna know.

Here is the REAL question...

Will Forces have lock-on with this game like Episode 1 and 2 of Sonic 4 did, unlocking maybe something like Force's Park Avenue done in Mania's style with Pint-Sized Sonic?

Forces and Mania are all going to released on the same platforms, just saying, and Mania is download only too. I mean, what would you like to see? Would you be for, or against lock-on?

>>386931624
Modding is what made you a hero, why are you killing it in Mania?

>>386932076
Forces' shitty clusterfuck of a story should stay in Forces. I didn't want it to taint Mania.

>>386931761
>>386931807
THIS

>>386932175
But it's not.
If anything it's forces so shit it needs to be advertised by the good game.
But really, people will have fun even with forces.
You are just a dumb shitposter.

I see him too. remain calm. do not engage.

>>386931821
Well what makes Modern Sonic look so different in Forces than from Colors?

>>386932235
>386932235

That sounds like too much work for Sega to implement and I'd always err on the side of laziness.

Reposting for more results
http://www.strawpoll.me/13687019

What's the explanation for the delay?

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>>386932293
who? Nigger Sonic?

>>386931761
>gonna buy mania and have a good time
>gonna not buy forces so maybe lizuka will get a slight hint that I don't want him to force his shitty sonic game into my classic sonic
All part of the master plan.

>>386932278
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay buddy, think that Mania is any good.

>>386932328
Why is shadow so cool and edgy

why the fuck they delay pc version instead of switch or xbox one?

you cant be seriously telling me this game will sell better on xbox one than pc

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>>386931998
>Sonic Forces and Mania being developed
>"hey guys what if we had a plot where the antagonist is going across multiple dimensions and tearing apart the universes"
>instead of just doing Generations 2, they actually hire devout fans to do a collaborative project since the story allows room for that
>clasicfags and modernfags both get games with the gameplay they like
>anon hates it because he wants his 2D platformer about furry creatures going on random adventures to end with them living happy ever after
It's a cool concept and a great twist, fuck off.

>>386932392
Well, it will for the first 3 weeks at any rate.

That and me and all y friends are getting it on the One.

>>386932382
See >>386931807
Also kys

>>386932418
>the One
I can’t believe you just said that

>>386932417
>>Sonic Forces and Mania being developed
Sonic Forces being developed*

>>386932252
People will still mod it most likely either way. If not, there will be more Mania stuff ported over to the genesis games for ROM Hacks, as in Mania inspiring rom hacks.

>>386932235
It would be a great twist if they'd at least try to make Forces good. Instead they are repeating all the mistakes they made in the past. Though to be honest I don't care that much about Forces tie-in.

>>386932453
You should be the one killing yourself, Maniafag.

>>386932521
I never thought of this. Seems a nice workaround.

>>386931483
Not on the game itself, but on the horrendous PR job they did 4 days before release on PC. What does SEGA gain from delaying the Original Version while other ports got released first?

It's not like past Classic Sonic games had specially good endings desu

Sonic CD was better because the ending animation mostly, but for the rest it was just Sonic jumping on to the screen and little more

Sonic 2 still has best ending theme tho

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>>386932554
>n-no you
the shitposter is an underage /v/ contrarian, move along people

>>386932417
>>anon hates it because he wants his 2D platformer about furry creatures going on random adventures to end with them living happy ever after
I would've preferred it to be stand-alone rather than a marketing gimmick

>>386932513
Sonic Forces was being created first, Taxman just happened to finally start working on a new 2D Sonic game at the time, Taxman's project is greenlit, Izuka tells Taxman to add more levels, and thought it would be a cool idea to tie in Taxman's game with Forces.

>>386932621
Sonic 2 had the best music too, not that Sonic 3 had bad music but Sonic 2 had more variety and even a unique Super Sonic song.

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There we go. Thanks for delays Sega.

>>386932630
Stay mad your game is shit.

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>>386932645

>>386932689
based god

>>386932689
Why did it refund only $12?

>>386932417
Because Mania's whole existence is based around Forces.

>Mania's story is about Sonic ending up in Forces
>Mania's story involves the dimensional crystal used in Forces

It's a pretty shitty thing to make it a tie in game and not a game with it's own story. Now you play this game five years later and instead of seeing an ending like in the classic Sonic games you get an ending that goes to white with a picture of sonic basically saying to play Forces.

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>>386931426
I'm still gonna buy the game on Switch, but I thought forces looked like shit so hearing that the ending to Mania is just a dumb tie-in to a game I'm not at all interested in is a pretty big letdown.
Honestly, I'm more mad about the opening theme being hot fucking garbage. They had Takenobu motherfucking Mitsuyoshi working on the game and they stuck with that shitty "Hyper Potions" group that can't seem to make anything other than really generic electronia shit. The opening animation isn't great either, Tyson's a great artist but his animation skills are a little weak.

>>386932660
That's what I was saying. Since a 2D Sonic game would be much less time consuming to develop than a new 3D one, it's pretty obvious that they were making Forces first and thought it'd be cool to get Taxman to make a new 2D game somewhere along development. Probably because of being impressed by the remakes of the old games.

Why does everyone hate Sonic mania now?

>>386932797
Because they hate Sonic Forces.

>>386932772
And also not-being open about it is pretty shitty. If Mania was advertised as a tie-in to forces the backlash wouldn't be half as bad.

>>386932679
>sonic 2
>best music
>"unique" suicide-tier super sonic theme

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>>386932645
>>386932719
It has more content than all the other standalone Sonic games. The story is just that Mania's what leads up to Forces, like any game that gets a sequel.

>>386932679
I kinda prefer how Sonic 2 looks too, the backgrounds for most stages are really nice

Sonic 3 is better in terms of content and gameplay, but Sonic 2 has something that makes it better for me

>>386932790
I thought the animation was great but yeah Takenobu would've been top tier

>>386932758
I'm from Ukraine and don't have that much cash to spend on videogames. Now I can buy trails of cold steel instead and pirate mania after 29th.

>>386932831
Exactly, this game was advertised as the Sonic game for the sega saturn that never was.

By saying that, it is HEAVILY implied that this would be a standalone game.

official discord:
https://discord.gg/N5q29B

>>386932831
I guess they wanted to surprise the people that actually wants Sonic Forces and its hyped for it, im sure that some people will like the tied in ending but for people that only wanted a Classic Sonic game is kinda annoying

>>386932797
See >>386931807
It's a very dedicated shitposter

>>386932846
>suicide tier
what's that even mean? it fits going super sanic speed and isn't just a recycled version of the invincibility theme

Wait, the PC version is delayed?

What the fuck, how will I pirate it day one now?

>>386932797
what the other guy said, also see
>>386931593

>>386932848
Maybe if that was mentioned beforehand it wouldn't be such an issue

>>386932791
Iirc, Taxman already had plans on making a new Sonic game since he finished the IOS ports of Sonic 1 and 2. He showcased his project and ideas to Iizuka, and Iizuka suggested he adds more levels. It was later in development that Iizuka thought it would be a cool twist to connect the games together.

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>tfw you expected them to be connected from the start when they were announced together and you're not gonna let your disinterest in forces keep you away from mania

>>386933014
Why does anyone listen to Iizuka?

>>386933009
>games being worked on at the same time
>other one features classic sonic
You had to be really oblivious to not expect them being linked somehow, and most games don't spoil the story for obvious reasons.

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just leaving this here

>>386932892
If you had to chose between the two then spending it on Coldsteel would be a better choice regardless of the delay.
>>386932941
Do you think it ever occur to them to surprise the people that actually wants Forces by making a reveal that is not total garbage? I was actually mildly hyped for Forces when it was first announced alongside Mania, but then:
>shitty plot reveal
>shitty Infinite trailer
>shitty main theme
>shitty infinite theme
>lackluster gameplay trailer
Seriously what the fuck. The only good thing about it up to now was being able to make a custom character. Too bad said character relies on the grappling hook gimmick.

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>>386932876
I mean, the animation wasn't bad, it was just very lackluster. The camera shots were mostly either static or very slow creeping, and not NEARLY as dynamic as they should have been. With a character like Sonic, all the priority should focus on emphasizing speed and motion. The animation also seemed to linger too much and bounces/squashes and stetches for a sort of cartoony empasis, which didn't really look super great since it's not something that really fits Sonic.
I still think CD's opening/endings are goddamn masterpeices when it comes to emphasizing how fucking RADICAL Sonic is. Even the still shots manage to look really nice.
https://youtu.be/JCSL7naH-8A

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>>386933031
>tfw you actually like modern sonic boost gameplay because it's fun, even if not as difficult
>tfw will download the OST for both Mania and Forces and have more great Sonic music to listen to
I'm the real winner here.

>>386933072
I am a pc fag but this actually got me.
Good job anon.

>>386933072
>using different colors for goldface
At that point you may as well use the wojak colors of making the So-nygger brown and then the Xbot mexican

>>386933072
>Not Forces laughing at Maniafags

>>386933014
Daily Reminder. Without Iizuka we would have:
>Sonic 1 in widescreen on consoles and PCs. Possibly with Mania additions (like dropdash and a new sprite)
>Sonic 2 in widescreen on consoles and PCs. Possibly with Mania additions (like dropdash and a new sprite)
>Sonic 3&K in widescreen on consoles and PCs. Possibly with Mania additions (like dropdash and a new sprite). Most probably with replacement music.
>Sonic-Mania like small title.
Instead we have:
>Sonic Mania that is forever tainted by being a tie-in to possibly the worst Sonic game yet. Or at least the worst one since Sonic 2006.

>>386932960
>it fits
Perfectly fits epileptic seizures, if you like sonic 2 invincibility theme tied with random sounds and squeaks, I won't judge your shit taste

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>>386933031
i'm more surprised anybody honestly thought they wouldn't try to tie mania to forces in some way.

Explain to a nintendofag that stopped at GC why Mania is bad
I was thinking of getting the pc version

>>386933081
>If you had to chose between the two then spending it on Coldsteel would be a better choice regardless of the delay.
That's probably true considering I bought and completed all Trails in the Sky trilogy.

>>386931426
>I thought that Forces was just a Generations sequel with Classic Sonic being there because they ran out of ideas
But that's exactly how it is. Forces started development long before Mania did, and when Mania was pitched that hack leading development saw a way to save face and forced that shit on Mania.
Now it can't stand on it's own and will forever be connected to and seen as a shitty tie-in with Forces, which is looking like a steaming pile of boostshit.

>>386933314
Sonic and Tails kiss at the end

>>386933294
I'm sorry. I didn't account for you having shitty genes.

>>386933314
Nothing really.
Just that PC version is going to be delayed probably to put more DRM.

>>386933314
The game itself is not bad. People are upset because:
>PC version got delayed
>The ending leads up to Forces
>Only 4 new zones, everyone was expecting at least 5.

>>386933314
It's not, see >>386931807

post yfw
>the portal at the end is not a tie in to forces bhr instead a cliffhanger to be resolved in taxman's next game

>>386933401
Better taste =/= shitty genes
Nice try tho, you almost memed me

>>386933450
it's too specific to no be a forces tie in, dude

>>386933314
Knuckles' route forces you to watch gachimuchi

>>386933426
>Studiopolis
>Mirage Saloon
>Press Garden
I didn't really catch the leaks but I am interested, what was the fourth one? Also are two leaked zones as cool as the officially revealed?

>>386933426
And forces is bad?
I have only played the one with the chaos garden, and a DS one I got bundled with a second hand dsi

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>>386933450
>the portal leads into
>Bad future Hydrocity

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Alright, I am actually fucking pissed. I don't want shitty Forces tied-in to this fucking game. And the PC version is delayed? What the fuck. I've had enough of Sonic's bullshit. I am canceling my pre-order on PC and Nintendo Switch, and will never buy, support, or hype another Sonic game ever again. Seriously, fuck you if you support these bullshit practices. Don't buy this garbage.

Can someone feed me on that mania hate /v/ jump into?

>>386933362
>Now it can't stand on it's own
It can and will because it's still got great gameplay, music, and levels. It's not like 3&K where the game was literally split in half due to memory limimts or anything. The story is a cliffhanger that leads into Forces, BUT the actual game has more than enough to be its own Sonic game.

Only /v/ shitposters think just because something's a prequel to something else lore-wise, it's not a complete game on its own. There's been plenty of games that are prequels or sequels, and they're not suddenly invalidated.

>>386933585
Forces is not even released but looks like it's going to be crap. It's safe to say that most people on /v/ aren't hyped in the slightest for Forces.

>>386932392
>why the fuck they delay pc version instead of switch or xbox one?

Denuvo.

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>>386933450

>>386931807
Good job anon

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>>386933512
>whines about the music being "suicide tier" because of epilepsy
>implies he doesn't have shit genes
And anyone who's afraid of epileptic shit shouldn't be playing Sonic since that's been a pat of the series since the beginning.

>>386933602
Here >>386931807

>>386933598
You're buying it anyway, you gigantic cuck.

>>386933605
>Only /v/ shitposters think just because something's a prequel to something else lore-wise, it's not a complete game on its own.

Does Mania end in a complete way that ties up the story all on its own.
>No
Not a standalone game and is actually part of something else.

>>386933585
Forces isn't released yet but the antagonist looks over the top and the Classic and OC gameplay looks mediocre. BUT that can change over the course of development since it's not coming out yet and the footage for it is all subject to change. I still remember the initial Sonic Forces modern gameplay where his animations weren't even finished yet, so it was obviously WIP.

We'll have to wait and see the gameplay when it's actually closed to its announced release date to see what it's like.

>>386931807
yeah that's pretty accurate
although I'm probably more like guy on the right, just making faces

Do you guys think it might have a remastered S3&K? maybe they didn't give it out with the review codes

There is one thing bothering me though.

Is sonic from mania the sonic we grew up with? Or is he just a random sonic from another dimension.

Because this would bother me quite a bit.

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>>386933752
>a game isn't complete because the story doesn't close
Lore-wise, maybe. There's tons of games that end on cliffhangers, like most of the Gears of War games. You're going to say Gears 3 is the only complete Gears game because the story didn't end on a cliffhanger?

>>386933834
Inb4 actual Classic physics thanks to Whitehead.

is there anyone here with a review copy for pc that can leak it?

>>386933946
Not this guy but ending the game on the cliffhanger is one of the shittiest ways to end the game. People have righ to be upset.

>>386933946
>>386934027
Especially since it's not even a cliffhanger leading to a proper sequel but a completely different fucking game. It's like ending Strange Journery with a cliffhanger leading up to Persona 3.

>>386933450
yfw its actually a prequel to sonic 1, and the future sonic games involve sonic rediscovering his friends

>>386933946
>Lore-wise, maybe. There's tons of games that end on cliffhangers, like most of the Gears of War games. You're going to say Gears 3 is the only complete Gears game because the story didn't end on a cliffhanger?

No, because those games are part of the Gears of Wars SET. As in they all go together in one package that tells a single overall story.

Mania does not have it's own story, but one that involves something from another game. Therefore, Mania and Forces belong together in a set.

>>386932946
>It's not like fans are disappointed or anything!! All of them are just shitposters!!

This is also a delusion. Sega legit dropped the ball here.

>>386933924
The intro shows him being taken from angel island to green hill in another dimension. I think that it's Infinite messing with the time flow because that seems to be the story going on with Forces. Infinite probably went back to the time of Sonic 3 and brought Classic Sonic to his fucked up future. I haven't seen the ending to Mania, but if it ends in a cliffhanger, I
bet it's Classic Sonic finding some portal that leads him into the dimension in the same fucked up dimension as Modern Sonic to save his world too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IicLYscA2lM

>>386933687
>whines because of epilepsy
>whines
Oh you braindamaged imbecile, I can't "whine" about shit sounding like shit and if you think that it's somehow related to epilepsy, you should google what "metaphor" means
>that's been a pat of the series since the beginning.
Nevermind, you're beyond saving

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>tfw that fat fuck got to play the game before everybody else and you have to wait 2 weeks
I'm still beyond mad

>>386934171
That makes no sense. Mania is the prequel and Forces is the sequel. They're related in story, but as games they're two totally finished games. My point was that just because the story doesn't start and end within one game, that doesn't literally make the game incomplete.

>>386934173
I am disappointed anon, but there is nothing wrong with mania itself and whitehead and co.
It's just sega being shit as usual.

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>>386934226
>that fucking blaze

>>386933372
Nah son you're thinking of that fan game "Eggman hates furries"

>>386934284

We're all in the same boat, buddy. Might as well make the most of it.

>>386933579

titanic something, looks shit/music is shit

>>386931426
You fucking faggots are what is killing the franchise since its birth. Hope you get anal cancer from tickling your colon with that spiky sonic amiibo

>>386934398 How do we do that. He leaked the game and now there are almost no surprises left for us!

>>386934269
You sound like you study the blade and have a collection of Fedoras, 6 of them with certain colours matching a bunch of pastel coloured horses

>>386934405
And how many classic stages?
GHZ, HCZ, SSZ, OOZ, FBZ, HPZ,LRZ?

>>386933579
titanic monarch, looks pretty hype. It has hints of chrome gadget and sonic 3 bonus stagesall the new zones are hype as fuck, I wish they will greenlight a proper sequel with all new zones

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>>386934445
Oh the irony. Look in the mirror faggot.

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>tfw Hydrocity Act 1 is basically completely different while Act 2 is almost completely the same as 3&K
What the fuck? Even the music is almost the same. Tee what happened?

>>386934445
>classic fans killing franchise since its birth
More like shitty developers making bad Sonic games. The classicfags are what keep the series alive with all the fan content and discussion.

>>386934521
I bet they started out with exact replicas of the zones and changed them from there.

>>386934445
I hacked your webcam. Here's a live feed of your room!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5d42w4ZcY4

>>386934290
Maybe it is me being nitpicky in what I consider to be a complete standalone game that is different from yours. So it's more of an opinionated arguement at this point, which is fine.

My point and opinion is, a game can only be considered standalone if everything in that specific game is confined into itself. If it ends on a cliffhanger, then the game is not standalone since it continues into another game.

>>386934576
YOU FRIKIN' FREAKS

>>386934521
my guess would be they didn't want to change such a beloved stage too much.

i'm surprised they were even able to bring hydrocity back considering the licensing issues.

>>386934485
MMZ

>>386934604
*FRICKS

>>386934576
I don't know what you're trying to say anon, Sammy did nothing wrong

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>>386931848
I think he means finished as in ACTUALLY finished, complete. Not, defeated.

>>386934562
It's annoying because every other Act 2 song we've seen is different enough from the original track that it felt fresh. Hydrocity Act 2's music just added some extra loudness to the ending parts near the start of the loop. It just felt lazy to me IMO.

>>386934521
That sounds disappointing, on the other hand act 2 is my favourite sonic level ever.

>>386934683
Act 2 ends at S3&K's Act 1 boss fight

>>386932689
You're no longer eligible for the upcoming compensation

>>386934770
I thought that was cute at least.

>>386931459
>>386931470
I'm sure they're both great, it's just I saw some faggots shitting on Forces while praising Mania, so I just had to call the 2Donly-fags out on their shit. Fuck those people.

>>386934794
Well, bullying Eggman with his own machine from S3&K act 2 boss fight were really nice

>>386934928
Oh yeah, that was great. Act 1 felt more like it should've been the Act 2 honestly.

>>386934829
Fuck off Iizuka shill

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It's not fair Mania Bros
>Game gets delayed for the first time
>Taxman is getting his game manhandled by Izuka so there's more classic stages than new ones and the odds are already against them
>Because of this they can't even add a 5th new stage for the fifth HBH
>They make 12 zones although close to S3K's 14 zones they still lied about the game being being than any Classic Sonic game
>No consistent level transition cutscenes
>Once this information got out thanks to Nintendo and a cripple chan poster all hype was lost
>They added more salt to the wound by announcing that the PC version is delayed to the 29th of August because Denuvo
>PCfags everywhere lose it and now won't buy the game but instead will pirate it
>Game's true ending is just Izuka trying to pickpocket you into buying Forces
>Several days before the game launches everything that can go wrong goes wrong
>The future of Sonic could have been changed for the better if this game had gotten amazing feedback
THIS GAME WAS MEANT TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE DAMN YOU IZUKA

Is Amy confirmed yet?

>>386935086
Yes she's in

>>386935041
It being Pint-Sized Sonic instead of classic Sonic is a good thing. Faith and hype completely restored. It's literally win win win.

>>386935041
>They make 12 zones although close to S3K's 14 zones they still lied about the game being being than any Classic Sonic game
Whoops I meant bigger on the second being

>>386935041 FUCKING THIS

>>386935086
NEVER
EVER

>>386934284
Warioland Mania when?

>>386935041
It's mostly Amazon that fucked up giving people their CE Switch game codes early while still being able to play it before the 15th.
Honestly I'm thinking the version that's on the Switch right now isn't even finished. There's something about the game that still feels like it's not ready for release, because it probably wasn't ready for release.

>>386935041
I feel like crying. Even with a seemingly perfect development team of dedicated fans who understand what made the Classics great, we couldn't get a good Sonic game. This series is just fated to fail every single fucking time.

>>386935041
>>They make 12 zones although close to S3K's 14 zones they still lied about the game being being than any Classic Sonic game
Technically right, S3K is 2 games

>>386935041
Is Iizuka actually Infinite?

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>>386931426
>Was planning on buying this when it comes out
>never pre-ordered or hyped myself up for it
>Didn't even know it was near release date nor that it had been delayed
>no damage done

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>>386935041
As somebody who's not been following this game at all, I literally see not a single reason any of these things could have ruined the game.

>>386935041
>>They make 12 zones although close to S3K's 14 zones they still lied about the game being being than any Classic Sonic game

They probably tried to pass off S3 and S&K as separate games, which in that case Mania does have more levels than both games when separated.

>>386935181
It's not even their fault. It's Amazon's for releasing Switch game codes early, Nintendo's for letting the game be playable on their console before release date and Iizuka's for being a hack that should've been nowhere near this game except from like the very start.
Taxman and friends are literally just in the crossfire and don't deserve any of this.

>>386935250
Then why the fuck are you even posting here you retard.

>>386935240
>>386935250
That's right, you just don't care enough

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>>386935164
Wario who? You mean le funnee fart man?

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>>386935041
>>386935157
>all this misinformation
Jesus christ can someone ban this shitposter?

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>planned to buy this game at release
>still going to buy this game at release
look out guys, I'm living on the edge

>>386935310
I've learned to hate all these old ass devs.

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>>386935387

>>386935387
FUCKING MADMAN

>>386935387
You have a PC and a console so nothing about this shit effects you. Good for you.

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>tfw the Mania team went too far
I-IT'S A WINDY AND SUNNY DAY
it fucking hurts bros, post your Wojaks

>>386935387

FOR YOU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oMBJ7IB9c4

>>386935387

you want to knife fight me, cunt?

>Mania threads used to be one of the few comfy places on /v/
>now it's just autists trying to out-shitpost each other
why is /v/ so fucking shit?

>>386935559
Blame Mark.

>>386935559
Blame the PC delay.

>>386935559
Mania threads were never good

>>386935639
The delay sucks, but it's no excuse to ramp the shitposting up to 11.

>>386935559
Blame Amyfags.

>>386935559
Blame Nintendo.

>>386935559
Blame me.

>>386935643
literally the only good shitpost in this thread

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>>386935559
It's all pic related's fault

>>386935710
Fuck you Mark.

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None of this is Taxman & Stealth's fault and the game shows their talent shines brightly. The boss fights and new zones alone are more creative than anything the series has delivered in the past 10 to 15 years. If only we can get all new zones from another Sonic game by the Mania dev team.

>waiting for the eventually Mario Odyssey bundle to buy a Switch
>get PC version
>delay game literally FOUR DAYS before game releases on PC
>impossible to pick up a switch literally anywhere within 100 miles at over 10 stores, Ebay wouldn't ship it fast enough
>not gonna buy PS4 or XBOX for literally one game

What I don't understand is why they didn't find this out until FOUR DAYS before the release date. If they had done this a month before, I don't think anyone would be complaining. It's the fact that people who purchased the PC version are basically being told "either wait 2 weeks or spend $300+ on a new console :^)" is what pisses me off.

Preorder canceled.

I can see a LOT of people pirating this game on PC when it comes out for the sole purpose of spite. The "consolefags" are doing nothing but fueling the fire that will make pirating that much worse.

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>>386934521
For some reason I'm fucking hooked to the Act 2 theme that I heard in the leaked footage. I tried listening to other fan remixes but it's just not the same. Something about the shit Tee did here was really subtle but it did some shit to me and I want a fucking clean upload already.

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>>386935502
I just wanted a fully featured, lengthy 2D Sonic game with a good balance of old and new stages like we were promised

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>>386935559
There's still discussion going on, but there's like 3 or 4 shitposters who insist on coming and ruining the threads every time.

80$ of the people who frequented the Mania hype threads are dodging them now because it was obvious, and even predicted, that shitposters would come and do this very thing.

No now there's the few people who don't care about spoilers and then the cesspool of general /v/ shitposters who have to shitpost the launch of EVERY new game.

>>386935785
True. They're very unfortunate victims in this tire fire of leaks and such. I really hope Mania still does super well so they can continue to make more after this.

>>386935864
IMO it's too subtle. He didn't have enough fun with it. I like it because it's still Hydrocity Act 2, but I wanted something extra done with it like all the other Act 2 themes so far.

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>>386935559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAeBXh25NiQ

I wanna go back.

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Now that the dust has settled are PC users still going to pirate because of the delay or are you going to wait it out and purchase it like you know you should?

>>386936014
As someone who got extremely pissed at the delay, of course the only course of action was buying on PS4 right after

>>386936014
>are PC users still going to pirate because of the delay
http://steamcommunity.com/app/584400/discussions/0/1471967615875309995/

looks like they're even more inclined to do it now.

>>386935835
Delaying it 4 days from release for two weeks while consoles get it on the original date while then saying "sorry for the delay here have Sonic 1 which you've probably played 100 times through already (it's not the Taxman version btw just a rom)" just seems kinda cruel. Why did the PC version have to be the only one that had to be held back? Just because they suddenly wanna put fucking anti-piracy shit in it? Then all the while people with consoles are just laughing and posting their goldfaces and crying wojacks. It's such a shamble.

>>386936014
I am still waiting what im going to do.
That doesn't mean im fucking mad as hell.

>>386936014
I'm absolutely frustrated that this happened, but I'm not revoking my preorder. I'm just waiting it out, even though I'll probably end up spoiling the whole game for myself before the two weeks is up.

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>anti-mania console war shitposters

>>386936104

It's literally a worst-case scenario. Not only do you have hundreds, if not thousands, of people canceling their pre-order, but now you've got the most autistic part of Sonic's fanbase extra dedicated to pirate the game. If they really are adding anti-pirating software, do they REALLY think that's going to stop pirates? Hell no.

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>>386936104
>>386936145

The consoles versions probably weren't held back because none of the current consoles are hacked.

You'll play it soon enough anons we'll all be laughing about this in no time while we enjoy talking about out our favourite parts of Mania I know we will!

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>>386936078
>All those threads with all those refunders and defenders arguing

>>386936014
already refunded and gonna pirate >>386932689

The game is still amazing, but I don't want to give money to Sega after this bs.

>>386935835
>impossible to pick up a switch literally anywhere within 100 miles at over 10 stores, Ebay wouldn't ship it fast enough

That reminds me of today!

>be me pissed as hell about the delay
>say "fuck it let's try finding a Switch near me"
>call all the FUCKING Gamestop in the entire metro area
>they don't have it in stock and have to wait until some shipment comes from their warehouse
>randomly call a nearby Toys'R'Us
>they have multiple of it in stock and at MSRP to boot!
>was able to get the Switch plus some games just in time for Mania

Feels good man.

>>386936014
I don't pirate, so no. The delay is frustrating, but its not the first time I'm experiencing such a thing, so whatever. However if it does turn out this is all because of Denuvo, which not only will not work but ALSO kill the modding scene before it even sets off, and is being added by the one guy who is only praised BECAUSE of modding, making him a massive fucking hypocrite, then I will rage and most likely cancel my preorder.

>>386936339
Don't fucking cry if we never get a Taxman/Stealth developed Sonic game ever again then you asshole.

>>386936240
It just seems completely out of touch. This whole thing is probably killing Taxman on the inside. He wants to say what's actually going on but contracts make him stay quiet, only being able to say shit through cryptic posts on Twitter. I feel so sorry for him and his crew.

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>>386935864
>tfw I'm hooked on the mini-boss theme
>so hooked that I'm literally making a 3DS theme just so that I can listen to it on loop in the home menu

It's hilarious because 90% of people claiming they will pirate it will end up cracking and just buying it the second it's up on sale on Steam.

Sonic autists aren't going to sit and wait an unknown amount of time for it to be cracked.

>>386936315
Im just going to this.
Screw you pal.

>>386936453
The DRM is just a rumor and it'll more than likely be cracked immediately after being released like Bayonetta was.

>>386936339
Then you officially don't have the right to EVER complain again about not getting any Sonic games you would like from here on out. You forfeit your right to complain you fucking faggot.

Why are you guys complaining about "muh spoilers"? You do realize every single zone is the game has already been leaked along with the good and bad endings...right? They're ALL up on YouTube if you know where to look. ;^)

>>386936412
Taxman probably has nothing to do with the DRM situation.

>>386936315
I too, want comfy Mania threads back, man, but you gotta see why this shit is grinding people's gears. I honestly don't even think its the delay itself, its Denuvo and how it'll kill modding.

>>386936571
How though? There are no physical copies of this game, only download codes. How could anyone already have this game? The earliest you could get it would be in Japan at the crack of dawn, which would be the 14th in the states.

>>386936558
Why would I complain? That means no more shitty Sonic games!

>>386936558
I'm already not complaining. For me Sega is now a Ubisoft/EA tier developer and publisher - I won't buy any of their games at all.

>>386936572
you're assuming there is a DRM situation at all

>>386936614
Because Nintendo's retarded and doesn't have a lock on their download codes for games that haven't met release date.

>>386936614
Where the fuck have you been for the past 3 days? The game got delayed because of fucking leaks. Someone activated a Switch code from the Collectors Edition he got early and it worked and he leaked the entire game.

>>386936614
Amazon shipped Switch CEs early and putting in the download code actually let people play the game early as well. Whole chucks of the game are being posted on Youtube.

>>386936703
>Nintendo screwing Sega
Its like 90s came back!

Still can't find a vid on Chemical Plant act 2's boss

At this point I honestly have to believe Iizuka is actually an egotistical asshole and not just some old retard who doesn't play video games anymore.
Goddamn. If Mania sells well and doesn't get a sequel I am going to fucking kill that piece of shit gook.

>>386936703
Nobody does this. How else do you think reviewers get review copies of games?

>>386936828
>implying you can kill me

So what's the connection between Mania and Forces? I'm a bit out ouf the loop.

>>386931426
Yes, you are. This is obviously Sega forcing the guys that make the game to put in some fucking bullshit just to make their shitty devianart simulator look more appealing. But all it makes is undermine Mania's value. Typical Sega mismanagement. What a bunch of useless fucking pieces of shit.

>>386936723
>>386936710
>>386936703


They couldn't even add a release date lock on their online store?

Fucking overpaid hacks.

>>386936710
What the hell? Why would a download code work early? Why wouldn't it be like the 3DS where you download it and it doesn't unlock until Nintendo lets you unlock it? This isn't something that is just "a mistake." This HAS to be on purpose.

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So it's a Time Stone?

>>386936909
Amazon and Nintendo are equally to blame. More so Amazon for shipping it before August 15th.
Though also that Mark guy is to blame as well for streaming the entire game instead of keeping it quiet.

>>386936971
Thanos will be wanting it back then.

>>386936890
The good ending of Sonic's ending leads into Sonic Forces.

>>386936909
Fucking sucks man. I wish the leaks never happened and we all play the game with happiness on the 15th.

>>386931740
S3&K is one (1) game. It was broken into two cartridges due to budget and time constraints but it is obviously one continuous experience whereas Mania and Forces don't even run on the same engine and have virtually nothing in common at all.

>>386936867
special codes? You can have review codes, employee codes, vip codes, etc. The sky's the limit.

>>386937008 Why did Mark even leak the game? What was the motivation.

>>386936971
its a magic rock nigger I do not need to explain shit.

>>386937093
Some 8ch weirdo who wanted attention or to stir shit up. His actions left us with immense consequences

>>386931426
>Intentionally imply this is Sonic 4
>Linkit into what could possibly be the worst Sonic game ever to be made since 2006

No I'm Mad

>>386937080
It doesn't work like this on any system.

Devs hand out normal codes for review purposes. If someone in the public gets their hands on them they can access it too but the likelihood of that happening is miniscule as most codes come straight from the developer.

This is Amazon's fault for shipping the product super early

>>386937156
In this case Sega was giving out codes. The Mania team didn't have access to them. The review embargo lifts this Monday morning and I'm really anxious.

>>386937156
Sounds super risky. I'm sure there's NDAs involved, but for extra security I'd make different kinds of codes for different purposes.

>>386936014
Wait, i waited for 23 years

>>386937152
>generations was good
>hurrrr forces will be bad because of custom characters even though it's basically generations 2

>>386937151
Well he's a cripplechan user. Of course he'd want to ruin something for everyone for epic lulz

>>386936890
In Mania Eggman digs an Infinity Stone that warps reality and sends Sonic all over the place.
In Forces that stone is somehow related to Inginite.

>classic sonic warps into the modern era, setting off the events of forces
>at the end of forces classic sonic becomes his modern self before warping back in time, setting off the events of sonic 4

>>386937135 This is the best sentence in human language.

>>386936453
>It's hilarious because 90% of people claiming they will pirate it will end up cracking and just buying it the second it's up on sale on Steam.
90% of people claiming they will pirate it were never going to play the game in the first place and don't even like sonic, but they like a good shitstorm

>>386937391
I honestly wouldn't put it past Iizuka doing this.

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>>386937325
>>generations was good

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How did Sega get away with ripping off Dark Souls with these games?

>>386937327
>user
Nigger he's the god damn owner of the /v/ board there.

>>386937475
So he is literally the king of retards virgins.

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>>386931426
Imagine now that this leads to Forces flopping
>Be Mania
>Get turned into prequel advertisement for Forces
>Alot of people buy Mania because it's still a great game
>Sales expectations for Forces increase dramatically as ST assume people want to continue the story
>Become impossible for autism incarnate to compete with expectations set by Mania's sales
>Sonic Team gets axe'd for wasting 5+ years of development time and millions of dollars on DA simulator
>Iizuka retires from gaming to become a dentist
>mfw

tl;dr The more you buy Mania, the more likely it is for Forces to under perform

>>386937374
>>386937391
What if the end of Forces leads to the stone dropping into a portal leading to the events of Mania and the two games are just one colossal time paradox?

>>386935559
It's all because of this faggot Iizuka. PC delay would derail the threads for a day or 2. Lack of 5th zone would make some people salty but nothing more than that. BUT ADDING FUCKING FORCES TIE-IN RUINED ALL MANIA THREADS FUCKING FOREVER. AND IT'S ALL FAULT OF THAT ONE RETAREDED GOOD, WHO HAD BEEN RUINING SONIC FOR YEARS.

>>386937446
SA2's my favorite Sonic game btw haHAA

>>386937467
Just insta-shield him

>>386937475
>King of cripplechan /v/ is complete shit at games, especially Sonic somehow
Yeah, that checks out.

>>386937432
That's where you're wrong. The majority of guys I spoke to who usually pirate Sonic games and hack old Sonic games actually wanted to buy this game to support the devs. Now, they feel betrayed.

>>386937467
>gaming over to big arm
it might be because my first playthrough wasnt sonic 3 but goddamn i still think you're a fucking scrub
i played sonic 3 standalone like 2 days ago and got to big arm with 14 lives and 3 continues
this game is not fucking hard

>>386937613
>sega wants you to keep playing Mania and Forces
>instead of new games they just make DLC for both games endlessly

>>386937640
you're talking about the possible 10%
you're forgetting where you are

>>386937593
what about Taxman and Stealth?

>>386931426
is this the most impressive fan project in video game history?
I mean it´s not just a remake but a fully new game that looks like it is going to surpass the originals

Anyway, what's /v/'s consensus on Sonic Mania? I believe the game is good, but the story is shit for shoehorning in the Forces tie-in and Izuka fucked everything up by adding too many old zones

>>386937613
What if the end of forces leads to the stone dropping into a portal that leads back to Green Hill Zone, and while classic Sonic is looking for the stone, the Time Eater shows up, setting off the events of Generations?

>>386937763
There have been better 2D Sonic fangames.

Trust me.

I think I know exactly why the insta-shield wasn't in mania (besides this one button complete and utter nonsensical bullshit)
Basically, every single boss in sonic 3 and knuckles got some use of the insta shield, with some of them just being complete pushovers with skilled use.
Designing bosses with the insta shield in mind can be difficult, and I just felt like they didn't want to have to deal with that element during the design.

Will Mania get DLC or will it all be pushed back for Mania 2?

>>386931740
Except it didn't end on a fucking cliffhanger.
>Robotnik wants to launch Death Egg again
>Sonic and Tails prevent him
>Death Egg falls down from the sky, probably into oblivion
>End of story
The Master Emerald fuckery and relaunching was only introduced in &Knuckles.

>>386937815
No there aren't.

>>386937763
>Fully new game
>16 old stages
>8 new ones

>>386937815
it would be an exaggeration to say it's the most impressive fan project in the video game history, but there haven't been better sonic fangames
sega picked the cream of the crop of the autists for mania and it shows

sonic after the sequel, before the sequel and time twisted all have different flaws that really take away from the experience

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>>386937641
>he didn't fight Big Arm in Sonic 3 and Knuckles
>he didn't play the proper zone order of Flying Battery zone after Carnival Night

>>386936890
Final boss messes with the hud timer and the game ends with sonic being thrown into a portal.

That's seriously it, and people are freaking.

>>386937774
Sonic Mania will still be an incredibly good Sonic game. All this shit with leaks and PC release date delaying won't stop that. We know it'll feel exactly like playing one of the classics because of Taxman's flawless engine.
But I guess we'll just have to see when the game is officially release this Tuesday, with what all the reviewers will be saying.

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>post yfw you woke up this morning to find out that Mania and Forces are connected

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*WHEEEZE*

AHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HOLY FUCK

>>386937815
If you think BTS, ATS and Time Twisted are good, you can fucking fight me right now mate

>>386937948
>16 fully revamped old stages*
ftfy

>>386937763
It isn't better than low budget fangames like After The Sequel, let alone anywhere near 3&K. Where are you shills coming from?

People were wondering how Sega could fuck up Mania.

I don't think any of us predicted a delay to the PC release. That's a real cunt move.

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>>386938027
>he didn't find this out from the mere fact that Mania and Forces were announced together and that Forces features Classic Sonic
How fucking slow are you?

>>386937951
>>386938034
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Get out.

>>386936647
Man /v/ really is the most entitled part of all gamers.

>>386938034
He didn't say they're good. He said they're better than Mania, which based on the leaked gameplay isn't exactly an accomplishment.

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>>386938027

>>386937725
>>386937593
Hopefully they'd become the new sonic team. But yeah people were talking about voting with your wallet on which path Sonic series should go. This is like each Mania vote counting twice. Because each one raises the bar for Forces' expected sales