Whatever happened to tribals?

>>386922752
NCR absorbed them.

In the case of Arroyo, after they got the GECK they expanded and developed. Then they got absorbed by the NCR.

Dumbest plot point ever. Glad they're gone

>>386922752
which tribe? there's a shitload

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>>386923038

wouldn't sit well with a general audience that's used to bland apocalyptic settings, especially at this point considering Bethesda's milked the ebin retro-futuristic theme to death.

>>386923105

>Whatever happened to fish?

>What fish? There's a shitload

>>386922752
There are tribals in Zion, also the Legion is an army of tribals.

>>386922991
This desu. NV should have given you a pretty good idea to what happens to tribals that refuse to let go of their roots. Independence leads to extinction desu.

>>386922752
Tribals still exist, it's simply that the vast majority of them no longer look like the spirit science grass skirt kind anymore. In New Vegas you have to work with several tribes that have either recently been absorbed into one of the three major factions or are currently resisting it, and in Honest Hearts you actually meet classic ass tribals.

>>386923446
This.
In New Vegas the Boomers, Kings, White Glove Society etc are all technically Tribals.

Is NCR the most powerful faction?

>>386922752
>Great Khans
>got their shit kicked in at Bitter Springs and cried bitch tears after years of picking on pre-NCR Shady Sands
>Vipers
>ded
>Jackals
>petty raider groups high on drugs
>Great Salt Water tribe (Sullick's tribe} absorbed probably by the NCR
Did I miss anyone out? I know there was more.

>>386923669
The Midwestern BoS is

>>386923704
*was
they aren't considered cannon anymore.

>>386923146
wtf todd
Actually quite spooky at 2AM

>>386923753
Don't lie.

>>386922752
Tribals were a fucking stupid idea that never made sense in the first place. Why would entire populations of people just spontaneously decide to start talking like retards and dressing like Native Americans from hundreds of years ago? It's not like they'd fucking forget how to talk, the people who birthed them fucking spoke normal English, these were not orphaned, barely educated children. It's also extremely doubtful they'd just stop making normal clothes when sewing isn't hard and old world tech isn't exactly rare. Fuck I hate Fallout 2.

>>386923669
Enclave that still remains active through most of America desu. NCR can't even probably manage its territories let alone its standing armies when they aren't guarding those precious brahmin barons from dem mean ole raiders.

>>386923704
Nah, even if we assume they got the best ending in their noncanon game, they're still completely outmatched. It doesn't matter that they got a few robots and deathclaws. The NCR is a nation at this point, with millions of people, supply lines, artillery, an army, and I'm pretty sure according to some endings, they got nukes and OP technology, that is assuming the courier is a full NCR fanboy. The midwestern BoS was just an expedition force that got sent out to an nearly abandoned wasteland. They probably got a few thousand soldiers available at most. They would get steamrolled.

>>386923669
They entered a years-long stalemate against a bunch of football geared homosexuals led by a bald old man dying of cancer and rarely if ever have anything more advanced than a power fist. They are not the most powerful faction, hell the game spends a lot of time telling you that they are not very powerful because of the people that run the NCR as well as how they're structured as an organization.

>>386922752
Every Tribal in NV got absorbed by some power
The California tribals got absorbed into the NCR
The Mojave tribals mostly fell under House's sway, him civilizing them.
Zion was tribal central
Arazona tribals were absorbed by Caeser or destroyed
DC and Boston was the only place that was completely devoid of tribals in the 3 onward part of the franchise.

depending on you finish fnv you can put three of tribes into power. the fiends will end up ruling outer vegas, kings rule freeside, and the khans go northwest and flourish.

>>386922752
caesar's legion sucked them in

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>>386923872
>implying a global nuclear exchange wouldn't reduce the world into packs of gibbering grass skirt wearing bellends.
At least they aren't living in the remains of China aka The Glow 1.0

Tribals were stupid. 1950's cultural Americans who came out of vaults filled to the brim with high-technology wouldn't be sticking bones in their noses and wearing grass skirts and shit

How the fuck does the "detective" robot know about shit that happened in Shady Sands two centuries ago.
Its probably just a HILARIOUS joke by some idiot at Bethesda but it makes no fucking sense.

>>386923969
The enclave are a bunch of spread out outposts at this point after they got destroyed in fallout 3, it is questionable whether they even have a central authority anymore. Though it is likely the only place that is likely theirs and could remotely resemble a area for that is chicago. Even then they have the midwestern brotherhood which is much more centralized and probably capable of kicking the enclave remnants out of chicago. At this point the enclave is all but dead, and probably wont ever be featured in a fallout game ever again. Though it would be interesting to have a fallout game set in chicago between the enclave and the midwest BOS as somewhat of a last stand.

>>386924042
Okay I sort of lost my train of thought on that post but the idea is that NV more or less correctly pointed out that the tribals are effectively doomed to either be absorbed by a larger, more developed power, or destroyed outright
House, NCR, Caeser's Legion, all did this. The remaining tribals are either in 'virgin territory' as some would say, like say Zion, or are just pathetic shadows of themselves, painfully outclassed by the powers surrounding them with mild exception of the fiends but that's only due to how miserably handled NCR logistics are.

>>386924139
It wouldn't and canonically didn't if you played the first game, not to mention the sheer number of vault-descended people.

>>386922752
Apparently according to new vegas, the useless fucks squatted in radiation-free vegas for 190 years and didn't have anything like running water or maize fields until the NCR came and house woke up.

190 fucking years. And people say that FO3's wasteland was too behind the times.

>>386924518
Why is it that California had their shit together?

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When will they show up?

>>386924668
Because the Vault Dweller got them moving their ass.

>>386923872
Many tribals are actually very intelligent. Like the ones in Arroyo who just prefer to live simply for the most part. Tirbals like Sulik who talk strangely must've had ancestors who could not speak English properly or something else corrupting the language. Tribal beliefs are just from people not understanding how science and the natural world works because again their ancestors must've not understood these things themselves and just taught their children whatever came to mind.

200 years is a really long time so language and knowledge of science could regress pretty easily. Even in the real world there are people who refuse to believe scientific fact in favor of supernatural explanations but that's still all beside the point when Fallout is fantasy anyway. Things like people reverting to tribalism makes more sense alongside the mutants and retrofuture technology than stupid things like aliens.

>wanting indians in a game w/ walking draugr and walking mutants
How pretentious.

>>386924315
They might lack the numbers that the Brotherhood and NCR have but what they still hold is the god like tech level. Example being the Enclave Remnants of NV, having them on your side was enough of threat that both factions would actively pursue them at a great loss after the battle of Hoover Dam. And they were all old cunts with near broken down gear.
The fact remains that if such a small number of them can be a threat then them being scattered makes it that much more profound.

And this is not adding into the fact that only the Brotherhood outside of NCR territory are in any way a threat to the Enclave. But giving the fall of Poseidon, East Coast Enclave it shouldn't be difficult for them to reestablish themselves again since they still work off the old doctrine that has preserved them since well before the war.

Honestly I just want to see them back again but without the bullshit villainy shit and them actually carrying out the plans of bringing america back again or just fucking off into space as was originally planned from the start.

>dude, the tribal themes are so stupid and unbelievable
>SWEET, power armor

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How can you be a literal incestuous mudslinging tribal in FO2 and yet somehow build your character with advanced knowledge of science and technology? These are the same people who think water bottles are divine relics.

>>386924937
The chosen one can choose not to be a tribal, also you know how plasma works and what not but you believe some god did it or something.

>>386925072
>The chosen one can choose not to be a tribal
Can he choose not to have fucked his aunt? It's kind of heavily implied.

>>386924668
>Vault Dweller being the wasteland jesus
>The Shi of San Fran with their super computer and good starting point (they were on their way to synthesizing plant fuel and making use of solar power)
>Brotherhood of Steel helping with raidershits and helping the settlements rebuild
>the destruction of the oil rig, capture of Navvaro base with all the tech being taken and used.
Did I miss anything out?

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Tribes in New Vegas: Great Khans, Jackals, Vipers, Boomers, Kings, Chairmen/Boot Riders, Omertas/Slitherkin, White Gloves/[Censored], Brotherhood of Steel, Caesar's Legion, Fiends (just about)

Fallout 2's biggest crime was making people associate "tribe" with "ass backward savages"

>>386924929
Power Armor is a technology that has been on the minds for quite some time and is actively being pursued by DARPA
If they can solve the power source issue, it could be a real boon to infantry forces but as of now the powers have only managed to make what can be charitably called 'power exoskeletons' with extra on the exoskeleton aspect.

>>386924686
fat genji?

>>386925319
Considering the tribes of New Vegas did nothing but squat in a perfectly preserved city for 190 years until House civilized them, it's not like they come off as much better.

>>386924252
His personality was downloaded from some detective pre war.
It's weird that so many characters make their way across the entire US or even Europe (the BoS, Harold, tenpenny, cait,the Russian bartender in diamond city), yet a short trip to far harbour or point lookout is seen as some huge epic journey for the character

>>386924723
>>386925190
You're forgetting that the first game is set 80 years after the bombs and California is doing so well that they've managed to establish a wasteland wide currency

Things were going great before Vault 13 opened. Before Vault 15, too, considering most of 15's population left to become raiders.

>>386925463
>yet a short trip to far harbour or point lookout is seen as some huge epic journey for the character
To be frank this is just a Todd Howard game feature that allows the player to feel like Jesus since the entire world revolves around them. The events in game don't start until you activate them desu.

>>386925561
But it's the same in New Vegas. Boxcar still waits in the eternally burning Nipton for you to put him out of his misery and give you a quest.-

>>386925446
>have water
>have a nice place to stay
>"civilizing" in this case means "exploiting idiots to steal their money"
Yes, no wonder they didn't progress as far as NCR. Half the battle was won for them before the War even started.

>>386925529
>You're forgetting that the first game is set 80 years after the bombs and California is doing so well that they've managed to establish a wasteland wide currency
>Before Vault 15, too, considering most of 15's population left to become raiders.
That was because Vault 15 was a test bed for keeping members of different faiths locked into a vault full of weapons desu. It was to see how long the occupants would last before they started blasting each other.
That was because of the influence from the water merchants at the Hub desu. I'm not entirely sure why but it had something to do with the bottles and how the caps couldn't be faked as easily

>>386925687
>>have water
The NCR made that aqueduct. Theyd didn't have shit.

>>386925729
Okay, you're arguing that despite having Lake Mead sitting there all pretty and pure, absolutely none of the locals figured out a way to move water from the Lake to other parts of the Mojave

And you need to stop because it's retarded. Your next argument is likely to be "only the Hub had water merchants" at this rate.

>>386925561
Also, far harbour is connected to the mainland by a short, yet destroyed bridge that's smaller than a lot of the bridges just over commonwealth rivers, why not just walk there?

>>386925446
>Sorrows
>squatted in the valley for many generations thanks to the relative safety that Zion offered to them
It the same premise desu because they were allowed to develop naturally from no real outside threats. Cue the entry of the Great Khans into the valley and the Three Families were on the verge of getting their shit kicked in. It was only the House's intervention did they actually find the balls to fight back.

>>386925376
It's more appropriate to think of it as powered exoskeletons at this point. Think STALKER, or COD:AW. Using the extra strength to carry armor is not very useful, because someone else can just use it to carry heavier weapons. There is no man portable armor that can stop our man portable AP rounds.

>>386925846
*mojave

>>386925816
The fact that they spent almost 2 centuries hauling water from a lake doesn't make me think any better of them as shit-slinging ass-backwards savages.

>>386925643
Boxcar can't fucking go anywhere.

>>386925946
And now you're describing California as well. Good job champ, you don't have any points to make

>>386926021
California wasn't spared from the bombs.

>>386924024
Dude, they don't just have a FEW robots, they have a fully functional robot army with the ability to manufacture more, an army designed with the express purpose of securing the entirety of the USA after a nuclear war.

That is, if you got the best ending, which they probably didn't since the best ending is never canon. Still, I can dream.

>>386925946
Because it takes knowledge and expiertise to get the infrastructure like that up and going desu. Take a look at the differences between Westside and North Vegas. One is on the verge of being its own little state while the other is little more then a squatters shithole. The only reason why the former is doing well is because of the knowledge from the FoA, without outside intervention that wouldn't be doing nearing as well. Its not hard to say that the average Mojave dweller is little more then a brainlet.

>>386925846
The Great Khans were fleeing the NCR after General Kimball's raider extermination campaign and tried to take a piece of Vegas for themselves from all the other disorganized tribes living there

When House united the Three Families, they kicked every other tribe off the Strip. The Khans ran away like a bunch of bitches up to Bitter Springs while some of the ones who'd lived there longer just moved up to Freeside and became the Kings.

>>386926132
>Because it takes knowledge and expiertise to get the infrastructure like that up and going desu.
New Vegas proper wasn't bombed.
What the fuck were those useless fucks in vegas even doing for the past 2 centuries?

>>386926093
And yet, 200 years later, people are STILL hauling things around the wasteland by foot, on the backs of mutant cows

And their crowning glory, the pipe network from Hoover Dam, only exists because it was the only piece of Old American infrastructure that wasn't nuked

>>386924686
Probably next game. We KNOW they're going to show up sometime because Bethesda keeps referencing them, even to the point of making the Enclave's new armor in FO3 a derivative of the Tactics armor.

>>386926216
Shit flinging, petty raids and rape, Ceaser tell you this.

>>386926093
True but they had the means to build themselves up again because of the knowledge. During the bad years the settlements had trouble with getting by, but with the help from the likes of the Followers and the Brotherhood they could start to build themselves again. New Vegas didn't have anything like that depsite having one of the brightest minds from pre-war America
>>386926216
>What the fuck were those useless fucks in vegas even doing for the past 2 centuries?
Same thing anyone would do in that situation when the world has gone to shit. Survive.

>>386926216
>scour all of California
>likely to find universities, libraries, places of learning and education where Old World knowledge like science, medicine and engineering are stored
>scour all of Las Vegas
>likely to find a repair manual for the slots machines

>>386925879
Oh yes.
the "forrest gump' style of Power Armor only remotely known because actors are such egofags that they can't stand having their faces covered for more than half a minute.

>>386926405
>scour all of Las Vegas
>find some records of a guy singing and dancing
>base your entire identity as a collective around that.
I imagine what they would have been like if they were records of someone like Roy Orbison or Bob Dylan desu.

Why don't criminal organizations go on to establish real governments, rather than just act like gangsters for 100+ years?

>>386922752
The Legion is composed of several Arizona tribes. It's likely that in more civilized areas, tribals became civilized or moved.

>>386926648
New Reno ?

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>>386926607
>playing down what a bizarre cultural icon Elvis became
Like the King says, it's an entire building dedicated to teaching people how to be some long dead celebrity. There's nothing else like that in the world and no other singer has ever come close to that level of idolization

>>386926648
>What are favaelas and the Yakuza
too much red tape bro why bother with all that shit if you are just going to make a profit from it anyway? let someone else to the hard yards while you collect the easy money

>>386926723
Or got destroyed.

>>386923872
>Why would entire populations of people just spontaneously decide to start talking like retards
Ask basketball Americans.

>>386926127
Thing is that that robot army was still defeated by the Midwestern BoS which was nothing compared to the West Coast BoS during tactics. Why can't the NCR do the same? Of course I guess that "steamrolling" would be an exaggeration. I just don't see the Midwestern BoS winning due to the numbers game. Robots don't just get made out of thin air. and the NCR would definitely win a war of attrition due to their resources. Of course I do have to remember that it's been like 100 years since Fallout Tactics, so the midwestern BoS has probably grown a lot, but since they never get mentioned at all in any games, other than Caesar capturing on of their scouts, I assume that they're still pretty small, otherwise the Legion would have encountered them already. If we assume that the NCR got the worst ending in New Vegas, then yeah I can see the Midwest BoS being a big threat. Otherwise, if they got the best ending, with the DLC's, they send a nuke to Vault 0 and call it a day.

>>386926724
>knock up Mr Bishop's daughter
>manged to talk my way out of it the first time round
>fuck his wife
>failed the speech check and have to shoot my way out.
>go on to star in a few low budget porn movies only to get an std
>wake up to find my car was stolen
Only in New Reno

>>386926804
There's nothing spontaneous about that. African languages are just as retarded and just as lacking in nuance.

>>386926824
>If we assume that the NCR got the worst ending in New Vegas, then yeah I can see the Midwest BoS being a big threat
Is this the ending that causes the President to die and become a martyr or the one where him and General Sit-and-Wait get thrown out of congress in shame? Because whichever ending it is a very pissed off NCR is not something that you want to be fucking with.

It's a western thing.

>>386926804
>Why would entire populations of people just spontaneously decide to start talking like retards
>what are the abos of Australia
>the 500 Indian nations of America
>the cannibal grass skirt wearing nogs of Papua New Guinea.
Its one way of establishing yourself out from the group, special snowflake syndrome.

>>386922752
I want a 3D game that looks like Fallout 1 and 2 characters and cutscenes.

>>386926762
Shame that Elvis was too expensive to license. They could have at least got some similar rock music from the era from a cheaper artist, though

>>386923872
Language changes over time.

Considering that they've been secluded away for 200 years, it's entirely possible that they would adopt their own mannerisms and culture.

>>386924686
I expect to see them eventually. Tactics was good and has good stuff to build on, the idea of the Prydwen I'm sure came from it. And I'm sure Bethesda or whoever ends up using them would love a fresh set of lore friendly power armor to include in a game.

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>>386927129
Thats because Japs went full Ceasars Legion with their indigenous populations desu. Japs just don't like taken the blame when it comes to their faults.

>>386927114
Worst case scenario for the NCR
>Courier completely devastates all their New Vegas outposts
>Hanlon gets exposed, lowering morale of all troops
>Legion takes Hoover Dam and don't stop marching West, becoming an immediate threat to the republic
>Kimball dies and Oliver returns shamed, causing a huge power vacuum and turmoil within the NCR government/army, which would leave them vulnerable
>They get nuked
The extreme waste of resources, soldiers, and influence would leave the NCR crippled for while. That combined with a full scale war with the legion, in their own terriory, would mean that they would be in no position to have another war, assuming they are victorious against the legion.

>>386924686
I'd love a new Tactics game or just another spinoff in general.

>>386923443
desu desu desu

Why bother implementing something as huge as nuking the entirety of the NCR and/or Legion if you can't actually make any additional references to it?

>>386927481
This is the worst case scenario if Legate Lamius just so happens to be the wheel bro. Caesar himself would never go as far in destroying the valuable infrastructure and population base that the NCR currently holds. You would have to be an absolute moron to burn and salt the earth of California considering how much potential it still has left.

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>>386927562
Fallout made by avalanche

>>386927656
Because that doesn't happen? You nuke a stretch of Interstate 15, NCR's only reliable way into the Mojave and Dry Wells, the place where Ulysses' tribe was forcibly assimilated

>>386927665
Yep, I'm assuming that Caesar died and Lanius took over. Also that the Courier sided with the Legion and didn't talk Lanius out of invading the NCR.

>>386927656
Chris Avallone is just mad af that his gibbering excuse of a wasteland jesus was getting shit on so hard. He didn't want the world to recover after the great atomic cleansing.

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>>386926824

NCR would get steamrolled by the BoS, because last time I looked, the NCR did not have Power Armor available to many troops, nor do they have Laser/Plasma/EMP weapons in masse after taking Vault 0, not to mention the BoS has fucking tanks with 75mm cannons, APC's and Humvees.

Midwest BoS could probably kick the ass of West Coast BoS with the kind of technology that they recovered. Just the fact that nearly every robot was armed with the most advanced weapons ever made, and that all those weapons were recovered after the battle, means that the BoS is all set tech wise.

But you're right about one thing, the NCR certainly does have the numbers. But numbers mean nothing in Fallout's universe. Hell, numbers mean nothing in today's war. Just because North Korea has the largest percentage of population in the military, or China who just outright has the most troops out of any country doesn't mean that either of them are military superpowers. China's getting close, thanks to Clinton, but they're still not there yet.

>>386926824
That robot army was defeated only because you, the player, managed to create a super strike team to accomplish the impossible and infiltrate Vault Zero to destroy/become the Calculator. By the same token, without the intervention of the Vault Dweller, the West Coast would be Mutantville by now, without the Chosen One, everyone's dead from Enclave FEV, etc.

Beyond that, 100 years is enough for a small group of settlements to become a nation. Remember that the US grew out of a handful of colonies and just over 200 years of time.

All that being said, given how extremely unbalancing having Vault Zero under their control would be, it's likely they'll get the destroy end if they ever show up again, meaning they'll probably just be like FO3's Brotherhood, probably on par with FO4's Vertibird-riding yahoos.

>>386927774
I'll be honest that I myself have never actually bothered to get any of the endings but the scorching earth tactics that Lamius wanted to pull are just plain retarded. But just as equally was being able to talk him down by going "nah bro don't do that because lol". You can't just simply talk a person down like that unless the person you are talking to in question happens to be a spineless shitter. Besides there really isn't much from stopping a well spec'd Courier from assuming the title of Warmaster upon finding out about this fatal flaw.

>>386927682
after they fucked up just cause 3? no thanks

>>386927853
>But numbers mean nothing in Fallout's universe
You can tell that to the Brotherhood of Steel

>>386927853
BoS already lost vs NCR in New Vegas

>>386927853
>>386927960
Number make all the difference. The NCR is millions. The Midwest BoS is probably a few thousand at most. They are literally a single BoS chapter, which is about 500 people. There is no way in hell they multiplied to the same amount of the NCR in a hundred years. Also, like I said, robots, tanks, APC's, don't grow out of thin air. The Midwest BoS, like the rest of the BoS, are just scavengers. They have no industry, like the NCR. I think the only ones that kinda do are the East Coast BoS, since they said they make their own power amor/vertibirds. The NCR may not have tanks, but they are not helpless against such a technological gap. They beat the enclave after all, and have mini nuke launching vertibirds at their disposal.

>>386927853
Have you conveniently forgotten about what happened to the California chapter after they got into a scuffle with the NCR? They got fucking rekt so hard that they turned tail to become basement dwelling shitter bro. Your talking about a growing regional power thats hell bent on expansion, they are not going to stop just because some fag in a tin can has a plasma rifle. They will keep throwing shit at it until they win also you seem to forget that the NCR has an industrial base comparable to that of a second world nation, they can pump at arms and men like its going out of fashion. Besides having the people on their side a little propaganda will turn this shit into a nation wide effort. It will become the Fallout equivalent to WWII.

>>386928174
To be fair that was NCR vs a local chapter not all of the brotherhood.

>>386928337
No, that was the NCR against the entire Western BoS

>>386928337
Well their significance that they were the first chapter desu, the ones that actually helped to build California to the point of where its at now. There problem was that the NCR became a nation while BoS remained at best a city state.

>>386928242
>The NCR is millions
The only time the NCR's population has ever been mentioned is in the Official Guide for New Vegas, where it's listed at 700,000

>>386925149
>Can he choose not to have fucked his aunt? It's kind of heavily implied.
Come again?

not >>386925072 btw

>>386928454
Thats still some pretty good numbers to work with from wasteland standards bro. But a lot of those numbers are either shit shovels or spineless conscripts. The real power comes from how they applied these said numbers in case of a total war with a foreign power.

>>386928454
They were said to be 700K in FO2. FO2 was 50 years from FO4. They've expanded and grown a lot since them. They're at least 1.5 million.

>>386925643
Boxcar's got two broken legs

>>386928638
and a bad attitude to boot

>>386924937
>These are the same people who think water bottles are divine relics.
Their gods must be crazy.

>>386928242
The Midwest BoS isn't a normal chapter tho.
You are forgetting that they did shit that no other chapter did.
They protect villages and offer their knowledge and advance technology in exchange of recruits, labor, materials and supplies.
They recruit ghouls, mutants, robots and deathclaws in their ranks.
Also at the end of the game don't they also end up controlling all the robot manufactories the Calculator was using?

>>386928598
And it was also said that the figures were exaggerated

>>386928716
kek

>>386925319
Most of those aren't tribals, though. Tribals have a very distinct way of life where they eschew the trappings of the old world and just start anew in the wilderness. Your character in Falllout 2 can constantly give shit to snooty "civilized" people who think they're superior just because they live in a crumbling 200 year old building.

>>386928973
Watch the webm and then be quiet

Why were the mutants killing the citizens of Vault 13 in the bad ending of 1?

>>386928718
You might be also forgetting that aside from what they took from the California chapter during the war they may or may not have subjected the Shi of San Fran during their expansion. Who they themselves were on the verge of some pretty significant discoveries like nuclear power, being able to refurbish suits of power armor and mass production of veribirds.

>>386928718
They're still the same size of a chapter. Protecting villages and recruiting mutants isn't gonna help them magically expand from hundreds to hundreds of thousands in two generations. Again, assuming they got the best ending, then yeah I would say they're a threat to a severely weakened NCR, assuming they got the worst ending in New Vegas, but not to a NCR prior to New Vegas, or one that got the best ending in New Vegas.

>>386928760
Meh, even if they were, it's not like they're far off. Even if they are just 700K in New Vegas, and haven't grown at all, despite them expanding really fast after FO2, they would still be more than enough for the BoS.

>>386929053
>that scene where the dweller is getting comically punched in the face by a mutie
More like they kill the resistant ones and dip the rest desu, too bad his plan was flawed af because muties can't reproduce hence making his entire plan pants on head retarded.

>>386929014
Yeah, I saw it and I stand by my remark. Tribals live a certain, distinct way of life in the Fallout universe, he's talking in general terms about tribes of people.

>>386929142
Is there any explanation for how the Master didn't know that? Was it because he was on the other side of the map from where the mutants were being made? Was the Lieutenant lying to him, assuming he'd fix it at some point down the line? The Lieutenant seemed to be the one doing all the real work while the Master acted as a figurehead running Unity propaganda.

>>386929217
Here, let's make it simple for you: What Joshua Graham is saying is what "tribal" means in New Vegas. What you're saying is nonsense.

>>386929142
Not to mention that thanks to teeny bits of background FEV throughout the wastes, mankind was already evolving to adapt to and thrive in the wasteland, hence why you get all dem perks (including mutate) and HP

>>386929118
I'd say they could take on the NV NCR in most cases except the NCR good ending.
The NCR in NV is pretty damn fucked up by a shitload of issues, some of them being problems before they even started expanding too much in the Mojave.

>>386929319
It wasn't just about radiation resistance. Super Mutants are stronger and in some cases smarter.

>>386923669
Define powerful. The NCR, unlike most other factions in Fallout are an economy powerhouse and not a military one.

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>>386925446
That's not true. Las Vegas was complete anarchy until House woke up, but it wasn't lacking in everything. The Desert Rangers were fighting mafioso's and tribals and everything else since the original Fallout, Tycho talks about it. Since the Desert Rangers were never able to really grow nothing ever really went forward, but in New Vegas it said their range went through the Mojave to south of New Canaan where they'd help traders get there and back prior to the NCR showing up and absorbing them into the NCR Rangers. Las Vegas didn't fully become New Vegas until House made his move when he detected the NCR at the border of the Mojave and started "civilizing" local tribes and gangs to make things look more put together than they really were just so the NCR wouldn't immediately try to annex the city when they showed up. I know this is just a comic but this is how things looked prior and through the NCR showing up, the city itself has always been packed full of people since the bombs dropped, the game itself doesn't do a good job of showing how crowded the city should have been. Wasteland 1's Las Vegas should be considered semi-canon as far as the city's history is concerned leading up to New Vegas the game.

>>386923872
Generations without dedicated schooling or socializing with separate bodies of civilized people.

>>386929253
His scientists were lying to him. If you don't have the evidence of their sterility you can get him to confront them and he'll just dismiss you because they say everything's being worked out.

>>386929385
>The NCR, unlike most other factions in Fallout are an economy powerhouse and not a military one.
That's not true at all, the Fallout Bible says the NCR has functioning railroads, vertibirds, and mechanized divisions with trucks as well as tanks supplementing their infantry divisions. Not to mention paved roads between cities and nuclear power plants providing power to most everyone in the Core Region. The NCR stretches from Oregon to the Baja Peninsula, they're fucking gigantic.

>>386929253
Not really. I think we can assume he went off the rails mentally before he got to that point in his plan. Once his consciousness got fucked with by the FEV or whatever I think his delusions of grandeur and general hallucinations made it hard for him to believe there was any fault in his plan.

Probably right in he was surrounded by 'yes men' muties too who were too afraid or not willing to call him out if they realised there was a flaw in the plan. It took a charismatic vault dweller to deliver the news in a way he would believe

>>386929385
Economic that can put its industrial base to work for the military desu. You can't have a strong military if your economic base is shit. Although as a final fuck the Brotherhood did blow the NCR's gold banks thereby reducing its currency to toilet paper and making caps from the water merchants strong again. So in a way they are still strong they just need to get their shit together to make it so.

>>386929253
They still had sexual organs but the master didn't know they didn't work. You can convince him to ask a mutant if there are any recorded instances of a pregnant mutant which helps lead to his suicide

>>386929376
>stronger
Physically, but what good is that going to do when everybody is running around with guns outside of letting you use slightly bigger guns?
>in some cases smarter
Provided they had no prior exposure to FEV, IE were rare as fuck

>>386924841
Fallout 4 should've been about Enclave-Minutemen-Railroad-BoS free-for-all, people would still speak about this mysterious "Institute" but it turns out they're actually Enclave.

>>386929528
Wasn't the Fallout Bible non canonized a while back tho?

>>386929627
>what good is that going to do when everybody is running around with guns

>Taking Marcus to Troy in Vault City to be healed will get him purged of the various bullets embedded in his thick skin, which Troy will then give to the Chosen One. Giving 20 7.62mm, 40 .44 Magnum JHP & FMJ, 50 5mm JHP, 10 .45 caliber, 24 10mm JHP, 50 .223 FMJ, and 20 9mm ball.

>>386929528
They have a large military, but they're also large geographically meaning that military is not effective.

>>386929604
Having a strong economic base allows the NCR to fight wars of attrition which the stronger factions like the BoS and Enclave can't do.

>>386929528
>Oregon
Portland themed fallout with transgendered people in the place of synths, when?

>>386929350
They would definitely wipe out the New Vegas NCR, since they are undersupplied, getting shat on on all sides, from fiends to Legion, and undertrained. You have to remember that the NCR troopers in NV are not the entire army. They're just the advancing scouting force, getting reinforcements every now and then through the I-15 from California when they need it. The NCR cannot send its full army for Vegas, as are using it to protect their owned territory. However with a NCR New Vegas ending, they would send their whole army to protect New Vegas and establish a foothold there, as Mr. House and Caesar wouldn't hold them back anymore.

>>386929627
Have you played Fallout 1 and 2? The reason Super Mutants are so dangerous is not the fact that they have huge HP pools (they don't, really) but rather the fact that half of them are using miniguns that can oneshot you unless you're wearing power armour. Your entire army being able to use big guns is a huge deal.

And it doesn't matter if only a few get boosts to intelligence.

>>386929709
Not to my knowledge. Even if someone at Bethesda said it was unless they directly put things in a new Fallout title that contradict what's in the bible it's still at least considered semi-canon. Since Bethesda does nothing with the west coast it's still best to consider the Fallout Bible's exposition of western powers and events as canon, especially since New Vegas alludes to a lot of events that are described in the bible anyway, like the BOS/NCR War.

>>386929623
Hmmmm, can synths reproduce?

>>386929627
You know prior to Fallout 3 Super Muties were scary as shit to fight if you didn't wear anything above metal armor. Because the fucking 5mm miniguns and rockets make swiss cheese of anyone thats in front of them. Only reason the Brotherhood did so well was because of their power armor and the element of one man blowing their base to kingdom come.

>>386929728
>be super mutant with above average intelligence
>want to carry extra ammo but already have three different miniguns and a laser rifle to lug around
>shove bullets up ass
>can effectively carry infinite ammo this way, just hard to dislodge

>>386929309
You're the one talking nonsense. There are no tribals in New Vegas outside of the ones you encounter in Honest Hearts. There USED to be tribals, but they settled down and took up the trappings of the old world. Yeah, they're all distinct communities and you could even consider them tribes, but they no longer live a "tribal" way of life. That has ALWAYS meant something like the Arroyo villagers or the Zion tribes; you'll never hear anyone in the game calling the Kings or any of the other New Vegas gangs "tribals".

>>386929528
>That's not true at all, the Fallout Bible says the NCR has functioning railroads, vertibirds, and mechanized divisions with trucks as well as tanks supplementing their infantry divisions. Not to mention paved roads between cities and nuclear power plants providing power to most everyone in the Core Region. The NCR stretches from Oregon to the Baja Peninsula, they're fucking gigantic.
So this would imply that this Shi were absorbed then? Because them and the Brotherhood were the only ones that had the schematics and facilities required to mass produce these things.

>>386922752
Bethesda doesn't know they're supposed to exist.

New Canada when ?

>>386930017
Where else do you think the NCR got Bear Force One? Vault City, Gecko, Redding, all of that gets annexed, too. I think the only hold-out is New Reno by the time NV starts because that's where the Van Graffs are from and they're not NCR citizens.

>>386930017
The status of the Shi is up in the air because outside of a few Chinese surnames for NCR NPCs, they get absolutely no mention in New Vegas. I'll take the game's word, or lack thereof, over the Bible.

>>386929956
>just hard to dislodge
>Not bending over and using fev enhanced ass muscles to fire bullets

>>386925319
>Fallout 2's biggest crime was making people associate "tribe" with "ass backward savages"
You know to be fair that is exactly what Fallout tribes are supposed to be, bands of people who for some reason or other follow an archaic form of culture and/or society. It was only in FO1 where the term tribal meant "not of a vault", because then it was believed that if you lived in a vault then you were the one being a part of a new generation of humanity, not the ones that have been out and about this whole time.

>>386930092
We can't ever have a Fallout outside of America because
>MUH AMERICANA

Even though JE Sawyer who was responsible for a large portion of base game NV has said in the past that he'd like to make a squad based tactics game set in Europe during the resource wars leading up to the apocalypse.

i know canada is technically america in NV

>>386929956
>lose arm wrestle match against super mutie
>receive ball gag in your inventory
yikes

>>386930017
Well, the Shi are in San Fran, which is in the middle of NCR territory, and we know how imperialistic the NCR is. I don't think they're still independent.

>>386929853
An issue of accepting the Fallout Bible as canon is that it creates a weird disconnect between the east and west coasts. The west coast has a true successor state in the shape of the NCR while the best the east coast is either the Capital Wastes under the BoS thumb or a loose confederation with the Minutemen.

>>386930156
Canada is America in every Fallout. It was annexed before or during the war, I forget.

>>386930092
>tfw the only Canadians to be mentioned outside of the rebel getting executed in Fallout was the one that got blown up with Tom Cruise in the second
lol nobody cares

>>386930229
I meant to say Fallout.

>>386930215
That disconnect is the inevitable result of Bethesda setting all their games on the other coast.

>NV's message is that if you don't let go of the past you're doomed
>this extends to the factions' philosophies

That's kind of confusing.

At what point does it count as 'refusing to let go of your past?' Where's the cutoff point? Taking any inspiration from past governments at all?

>>386930215
That's just the result of poor writing on Bethesda's part. They could have had new nation states like the NCR on the east coast, they had an entire new canon to work out, the only limit was their own imagination, and they chose to make it what it is. That's the disconnect, the Bible works logically off of what Fallout 1, 2, and Van Buren's design documents established. Bethesda chose to ignore that and started from square one for no real reason.

>>386925710
In the Fallout universe, aluminum manufacturing and machine lettering are lost technologies to the point that you can't even make something as simple as a bottle cap anymore. The Hub chose them because they're pretty much the same shit as quarters in terms of physical properties. I do like how in New Vegas the NCR began creating new paper money as if there wasn't a better way to waste resources.

>>386930327
The game's message is telling you, the player, to let go of Fallout because it's out of their hands and New Vegas was the last chance they'd ever get to finish their story.

>>386926405
You'd think with a booming ass city like Las Vegas they'd at least have a couple places of higher learning somewhere in that hellhole.

>>386930327
I guess if you don't let go of the glory days, you'll lose sight of what's in front of you?
>NCR brass become cocky, can't stop expanding
>C-Legion think they're unstoppable and that they can hold both the east and the west
>The BoS still think their ways are relevant
>FoA think their methodology of helping is actually helping in the grand scale
There's probably a few more examples in there, and I might've also flubbed the ones I gave but that's the gist of the message. At least for me.

>>386924029
then what is the most powerful faction in fallout universe?

>>386930327
NCR's problem isn't taking inspiration from Pre-War America, it's their efforts to try and recreate it in a world that can no longer support that level of infrastructure and luxury

The present is more important than the past. Things are different now. Accept the reality of what is and stop dwelling on what was.

>>386930379
They didn't learn either. Fallout 4 barely has any more civilization than Fallout 3. But it is capable of having a Super Science group with teleporters and synthetic humans despite having no civilization feeding them.

>>386930548
the NCR, this guy's dumb

>>386926824
>Why can't the NCR do the same?
NCR doesn't have fucking shit for technology and other pre-war surplus like any of the BoS chapters do. Hell they don't even know how to use power armor, the most they do when they somehow get their hands on a set is to just toss out all the innards and wear the plates as makeshift coverings.

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>>386930156
>Canada got annexed
>europe lol gone
>middle east after the oil ran out got glassed
>china became a big glowing light
>japan and the rest of asia who gives a fuck
>india probably less people but twice as much shit
>mexico same as it is now minus Danny Trejo and smoothskins
>polar caps gone and lol no ozone layer
So what I would like to know is who DIDN'T get fucked over by the great war? I'd like to say Australia did but nothing of value would have been lost upon them anyways.

>>386930508
Games unfinished
That's why vegas has only 4 buildings and everywhere I'm free side is boarded up

>>386930701
Dude it's called Salvaged Power Armor for a reason. They salvage it off BoS corpses and since they're damaged and NCR engineers don't know how to manufacture or repair power armor they just turn it into regular heavy armor.

>>386930701
Who cares if they don't have Power Armor. Power Armor is not an automatic win. Look where it got the BoS. Literally got shat on by men wearing 50 cap worth battle armor and service rifles. Also the NCR has access to loads of energy weapons via the van graffs if they want to shell out for it, and they've got tanks and vertibirds according to the fallout bible, which is as canon as Tactics.

>>386930808
More like they jury rigged that shit and took the motors out of them desu fucking useless NCR education for you.

>>386930548
As far as sheer manpower behind it I don't know what that guy is saying, it's NCR.

You are not fighting the main force of the NCR in the Mojave. It's a plot point that partways through the game they're bolstered by Veteran Rangers because their conscripts are largely strung out and poorly armed.

The NCR have vertibirds and fucking TANKS that we never see because most of their lads are on the homefront or close to it. The main problem with the NCR in New Vegas is poor leadership and bureaucracy fucking over everything.

>>386930753
I think Europe would be interesting honestly.
Since they were already utterly fucked after the resource wars maybe not a shitload of nukes were targeted there.

So why doesn't fallout 4 have any minor
Factions? Everything has to be its own town, goodneihhbour never leaves goodneighbour, diamond city never goes beyond the walls, the atom cats never leave the garage or interact with similar factions like the rust devils and everyone else is simply just hostile to you.
They could have at least expanded upon the rich upper class of diamond city, have quests to ruin the economy for underclass for their earnings sake or something like that.
If the rust devils are meant to be smart, they could have been an alternative evil route for automatron.

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>>386930845
>needing shitty energy weapons to do the job
>when a near 200 year old round can do it in a couple of shots.
They really made power armor into some mediocre shit in NV.

Playing NV, should I join Legion to be edgy and allowed to murder people as I usually do or should I go NCR for that sniper companion?

>>386930947
because its a video game?

>>386930995
The House always wins baby.

>>386931006
/w /w mutants /w ghouls ?

>>386930959
Sawyer's mod immediately makes it gud as fuc.
>You don't need training to wear it
>It negates its own weight while you're wearing it because it's fucking power armor and that's the entire god damn point
>While giving you a strength boost so you can use heavier weapons if you didn't shove everything into strength immediately

>>386930869
Still works almost as well as the real deal, just cheaper. Also the NCR does have access to power armor, they just don't give it to everyone. They even put a goddamn Yao Guai head on a shoulder pad.

>>386931061
>It negates its own weight while you're wearing it
Only when you have the PA Training perk

>>386926648
They have an internal hierarchy that's a form of government but they only take from their community basically a government

>>386930947
Bethesda has a theme park approach to world design where each settlement or location is a gimmick and is completely disconnected from the rest of the world. The economies do not link, towns will be built around active nukes instead of rivers or trading routes, and two towns that are close together will not have anything to do with one another unless in a gimmicky manner like Little Lamplight and Big Town, which is the most absurd thing in the Fallout series.

>>386931061
Yeah but that doesn't mean much when you can rip through it with said rifle and a handful of .45-70 Govt SWC desu. DT claps out at about 40-50 tops with perks where is a brushgun will be dumping out massive damage for little effort. With or without extra perks outside of handloading.

>>386930753
I think one of the cancelled games - Fallout Extreme, maybe? - was about using a new land bridge to cross into the remains of Russia, and then march on towards China, which had seen greater reconstruction than the US and was led by an Emperor with some cartoonish super bomb. So, there's always that bizarre and horrible idea to consider.

>>386930995
>Legion: Probably better for second playthroughs, light on content, ended up having to cut basically everything on their side of the river but it's interesting to play as a saboteur in a setting where basically everyone fucking hates your guys
>NCR: Have a metric shitload of content, more morally grey than the legion because the NCR are generally good-natured but have fucking terrible leaders mucking the whole thing up that make supporting them a dubious long term decision. It was still my first.
>House: Autocrat """good""" science man. Lets you support NCR alongside House for most of the game if you want to do that.
>Yes Man: Basically House for people that don't like House. You run it in his place.

>>386931232
yeah we all know how fun the game is when power armor makes you invincible

>>386930753
If the polar caps are melted, how is the west coast not flooded?

>>386930753
>implying New Zealand doesn't become the next world power, riding giant muted kiwi into battle.
Look whos laughing now!

>>386931232
Power armor is good enough in Sawyer's mod. It gives you 30-35% DR on top of DT. If you're talking about power armor on NPC's, then tough luck. NPC's have always been fodder, in all Fallout games, regardless of gear because of how OP you can get.

>>386931397
yeah if you think ripping through power armored dudes in NV is bad don't play FO3 or FO2

surprisingly FO4 does a decent job at making power armored enemies more intimidating because of how much better PA is in general in that game, but on the other hand it's still not enough because you're literally a god

>>386927853
>numbers mean nothing in the Fallout universe
How do you think that the NCR beat the BoS at Helios ONE and the Legion almost kicked out the NCR from Hoover Dam?

>>386931397
>>386931232
>50. in game makes swiss cheese of BoS in game
If that were true how come China just didn't make use of anti tank rifles on the power troopers then? Surely that armor would buckle after a few good shots from something with that much power.

>>386931045
Which one would you suggest for me?
I played F3 and by the time I blown up Megaton I already had maximum negative karma due to stealing, pickpocketing and murdering everything I could. I basically came to a town, stole everything, did all the quests and then murdered the entire town. I made it to that aircraft city and got bored, because I had way too much shit and it was too easy.
NV seems to be the same shit, I'm currently making my way to Novac. Apart from Goodsprings (which idolize me) and NCR and Legion, to which I'm slightly better than neutral, I already murdered everything else. I think the only thing I kept alive were the Deadclaws in that quarry. And the Great Khans, but that's because I haven't yet tried to get to them.

Do you think Bethesda will ever realize that Super Mutants are not Orcs?

>>386931510
getting shot by anti materiel with power armor is better than getting shot with anti materiel without power armor.

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>>386930753
>yfw China was actually the good guys all along and they had to take the noble sacrifice to prove that.

>>386931510
>Gamplay has to represent lore
I guess you're right. We should make power armor make you take no damage other than mini Nuke and missiles. What a fun challenging game that would make

>>386931458
Even in FO4, by the time you're mid to late game, power armored enemies, which are mostly BoS, are fodder that die in a few shots from anything.

>>386931561
I mean they're kind of orcs. Even in FO1 and FO2, they're kind of orcs. The problem is that in FO3 and FO4 they just used them as trash mob orcs instead of the serious plot point orcs they were in FO1 and FO2.

>>386928242
The Midwest BOS is essentially the military arm of all the people/tribes/towns under its control, they effectively would have just as much population given the wide area they have dominion over.

>>386931623
I played on Very Hard when I got to endgame FO4 to keep the challenge up and BOS were still pretty nasty in close quarters, more than most enemies at least. Whipping out the Gauss Rifle was actually warranted.

>>386923753
>its not canon
People literally explain in FO3 and FO4 that they passed over the mid west and had a chapter out there

>>386931704
Yeah now just imagine that in an invasion situation, chinese ground forces didn't stand a chance with or without anti material hardware.

>>386931795
Keep in mind at the same time that America was also using things like the grenade machinegun in active use over there. Top of the line Chinese shit was the the stealth suit, which was countered by the Americans just blowing everything up.

>>386931561
Muties turning into orcs and ghouls turning into zombies honestly seems like something borne of gameplay limitations related to their engine. But now they're sorta stuck in those roles and given how shit was actually scaled back in FO4 I doubt Bethesda wants to change that up.

>>386931871
Feral Ghouls still showed up in FO1 and FO2, they were just a lot more common in FO3 onwards. I dunno if I can blame Bethesda, You can't just have a simple sprite and have a single damage animation for a new enemy anymore. They're fun enough to fight.

>>386931704
>not doing the ending that keeps both the railroad and BoS friendly for maximum radiant quests

>>386931670
And what areas do they dominion over? I can't imagine them having a large territory since they're literally a few hundred people. Vault 0 is is Cheyenne mountain, in Colorado, which is directly under Caesar's control, and he's never run into them. Their headquarters are in Chicago. Pretty sure that Caesar is the one that controls most of the Midwest, not them.

>>386931995
>Radiant Quests

How to drain the life out of your soul in three easy steps

I did Preston's radiant quests for Literally like two-three days because I have OCD and I need to finish quests and I thought they'd eventually end because it wasn't giving me a chance to stop getting them

BoS are the most fun to fight in the game though, they're actually well equipped. It's not like fighting the Enclave in FO3, They feel like more than mooks.

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Where is the series gonna be set next? Be realistic, it pretty much has to be set in the United States
Would like to see Chicago or Tejas
>Canada
Would be explored in an expansion at best
>China
Nope completely gone and honestly wouldn't sell well
>Europe
Where didn't get nuked?
>>386929662
It shouldn't have existed in the first place, Enclave would have been the villains for the third time in another shit game to boot.
Honestly the future of this franchise is depressing

>>386931871
No, it's just a case of Bethesda wanting them as common enemies. Now, feral ghouls actually were in classic Fallout, they were just less common, there were far fewer ferals than there were civilized ghouls.
>>386931648
There was like, one retarded Super Mutant in Fallout 1. The rest seemed pretty normal in intelligence, even the grunts, and they were a civilized, organized group, moreso than any of the human organizations of the time. In Fallout 2 all the Super Mutants were normal people except for the ones in this one vault, and I think they were the result of Enclave experimentation.

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>>386930092
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBNKa2KXZE
I dunno about you canadabro but this shit still gives me chills and I'm not even a fucking leaf. The fact that this was also happening across America leading up to the war just makes it that much more depressing. With the famine outbreaks, martial law, food shortages and general chaos that took everyone down with it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBNKa2KXZE

>>386931871
I don't care if ghouls are zombies; I just don't know how they went from slow enemies to sonic levels of speed

>>386932090
I thought they'd lead somewhere too. They start wihwith giving you settlements for rewards to bait you, than instantly become worthless, even for XP, but punishes you if you don't complete them. Absolute horseshit

>>386932167
Yeah, ghouls were supposed to be unable to run. The radiation has made them weak. Bethesda, being plebs, wanted fast zombies instead of real zombies.

>>386931620
That is an interesting theory but I'm pretty sure Bethesda didn't destroy the pentagon, white house etc because it would make for interesting 'levels' and locations.

>>386932125
Somewhere close to where they're at now. They're really obessed with old world nostalgia, so probably Philadelphia with the main quest being to repair the liberty bell, so that liberty prime can use it. Is liberty prime the worst addition to the franchise So far?

>>386932126
No, it's a plot point that the Master's Super Mutants are a little below average at best for the most part with success stories scattered throughout. It depended on the subject used. The Master's ideal super mutant was an insanely intelligent basically objectively superior killing machine, but that only really happened when you used pure humans, like vault dwellers. That's why he was trying to find it. Harry was REALLY STUPID, but most of them weren't normal.

Bethesda just took this to an extreme and made all of them literally retarded violent cavemen save for maybe two/three cases.

>>386932383
When you talk to super mutants in Fallout 1, with the exception of Harry none of them seem to be particularly stupid. They speak with proper grammar, in complete sentences, and they aren't really any easier to fool than the humans. They operate technology more advanced than what most humans are using.

>>386932125
Somewhere between Boston and DC, have the game be about setting up a trade route between the two wastelands with factions from both games sort of occupying the land as a 'frontier'.

>>386932289
I'd like to think its true considering how China had no real chance of winning the war they essential brought about the Fallout universe as a final Fucka Yu to the Enclave, the ones who were actually orchestrating this entire shit symphony. Although Bethesda also did claim that the war was brought about by the ayys and Interplay thought that Skynet was also responsible for the great war. Multiple conflicting accounts makes for some interesting story telling desu.

>>386932275
Well, it definitely made Feral Ghouls a lot more dangerous. FO4's Feral Ghouls with their active attempts to dodge and their twitchy movements make them one of the most intimidating enemies in the game in the numbers they come in, IMO.

>>386931535
Was meant for >>386931263

>>386932485
It depends on how they are handled. The proper way to use slow zombies to make them very resilient and put them in narrow areas where they can outnumber you. You can't just throw them around willy nilly and have them work, which is of course why Bethesda took the fast zombie route.

>>386932456
That's more because they're part of an organized military with actual plans and leadership and shit. They're still MORE intelligent than Bethesda's muties, but slightly lacking intelligence was a problem among Super Mutants. They were by and large kinda brutish, this goes on in FO2 and NV- it's just taken to an extreme in Bethesda's games.

>>386929409
I'm pretty sure this isn't from All Roads

>>386932603
Its more like the muties were reduced to back fodder instead of an actual threat both in terms of gameplay and lore wise.

>>386932584
Well they're really sickly and frail, so having them be super resilient would be weird, again.

>>386931535
Maybe if you're getting bored you shouldn't murder absolutely everything? If you're that kind of W I L D C A R D maybe you should play independent, though.

>>386932603
Brutishness isn't really an element of intelligence. You'd be more brutish if you were stronger than everything else around you. The Super Mutants in Fallout 2 and New Vegas are largely senile old folks.

>>386932650
It's cover art.

>>386932343
>Philadelphia with the main quest being to repair the liberty bell
kek
Liberty prime was fucking retarded.

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I wonder if China nuked nippon too. Maybe some empire of the rising sun shit is going down there. With all the mountains it has it would need a shit ton of nukes. Or it just got flooded. Or maybe giant radiation mutated kajius destroyed it.

>>386932690
The Vault wikia (which is generally pretty comprehensive) says this:
>The great majority of super mutants produced by the Master and later his Lieutenant in Mariposa's Vats were big, dumb brutes. Physically, they were vastly superior to humans, but they had the intelligence of children.

>>386932690
>The Super Mutants in Fallout 2 and New Vegas are largely senile old folks.
>tfw Broken Hills was essentially a retirement village for war vets
So much so that the old ghoul cunt thought he could skimp the player character to climb down a well for a handful of shitty bottlecaps.

>>386932804
That's definitely not the picture the player gets while playing the game. I guess all those dumb super mutants were the random encounter grunts, and not the ones in the military base and Cathedral that I could talk to while wearing Cathedral robes.

>>386932921
Well, yeah. The ones in the Cathedral are the fucking Nightkin, who are the cream of the crop. The ones in the deeper parts of the military base are Lou's boys and it's a really important location so no doubt the smarter ones are staying there

>>386927316
We do get that one slightly rock'n'rolly song on Mojave Music Radio

>>386932081
You keep saying they're literally a few hundred people, but that's not true. Their numbers were never established, and if Lyons' bunch can rule the East Coast after 30 years, I'm damn sure the far bigger airship group can rule the midwest after 100.

Vault Zero was at the west edge of their territory, which would probably put it at the Legion/BOS border. Someone drew a map of what faction had what territory way back when, but midwest BOS has control over, you guessed it, most of the midwest.

No source indicates Caesar has control over most of the midwest unless you're saying "everything east of the Colorado River is Caesar's" is literally true, in which case I remind you that's blatantly contradicted by FO3/4.

>>386932764
Its still pretty funny to me how Ireland and Britbongland are more relevant in the Fallout universe while the only mention Japan gets is some samurai in a shitty DLC desu.

>>386933060
Why would they be bigger than a normal chapter? Also, if they got access to all their robot manufacturing factories from Vault 0, don't you think the legion would have noticed by now? If they had an actual force anywhere near Colorado, the legion's home turf, why would they waste their time going after Hoover damn rather than the BoS. Because the BoS is not a huge influence in the midwest, except Chicago.

>>386933239
You'd think the only country on earth to actually get nuked in a war would get some mention

>>386933292
>You'd think the only country on earth to actually get nuked in a war would get some mention
The Fatman Launcher somehow not being one of these references? So much that they had a little cry about it for it to be changed to something less offensive.

>>386933381
I mean more like, I'd know like to know what happened over there

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>>386933248
>Why would they be bigger than a normal chapter
Because the Midwestern BoS canonically recruits from the local population instead of incesting themselves into irrelevance

Caesar's Legion got to Denver and then stopped and turned back for California. Caesar cares more about "correcting" NCR than he does about fighting the Midwestern BoS. They've met and fought, too. Caesar mentions Scribes they've captured "further East" didn't know who the original Maxson was, which would be unthinkable for a Western BoS Scribe, and his Centurions are wearing bits of T-45d, which they explicitly loot from someone they've personally killed.

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>>386933381
>Fatman gets a name change
>the Little Boy weapon mod in NV doesn't

>>386932804
So, they were basically black people.

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>>386933479
For what purpose though? In the events leading up to the great war they weren't really doing much anything. If that somehow warrants some level of relevance then surely we should also now about how Australia was doing in the lead up to the great nuclear fuckup. Hell at least they have some higher level of importance not only of the symbolic nature but also the gameplay inspiration with the clothing styles and concepts. Dogmeat being one such inspiration.

I just want a Fallout game that's more grey and lets you join the Enclave for restoring America

>>386933483
The Midwest BoS doesn't wear T-45d, and that map you posted is noncanon. Ceasar says he controls Colorado, and I'm pretty sure he'd notice BoS outposts, or robot making factories and deal with them before picking a fight with the NCR. He also says, "further east", implying that either the midwest BoS is far away from his legion, therefore disproving your map, which shows them next to each other, or that they're not a huge force, as he dismissed them as worthless "hoarders" and "scanvegers" right after. Either way, they're so weak they're a nonthreat to the Legion.

>>386933776
im surprised you can't join the enclave in FO2

>>386933776
Never ever because games cant do real evil unless its infamous 1, fallout doesnt have the balls or the talent to go enclave

>>386933826
Caesar also has a bone to pick with the NCR since he was born there. He might see the midwestern Brotherhood as a non-threat, but it's most likely mutual, with the Brotherhood seeing Caesar's Legion as nothing more than a massively organised group of primitives.

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>>386932125

I want to explore Florida or Hawaii

>>386933856
>can become a slaver and enslave your fellow tribals
>somehow can't join the Enclave
Fucked up somewhere thats for sure.

>>386933776
Nigger they're dead.

>>386933954
china pls

>>386933954
Betting you FO5 is gonna have the Enclave some fucking how alive. Bethesda can't let go of anything from the original Fallout

>>386933941
>>386933856
>stated goal is to kill ALL non-Enclave humanoids in the world
>why can't we join them???

>>386934049
>the master survived and moved to the east coast for down reason

>>386934049
>the Enclave some fucking how alive
ED-E's logs in Lonesome Road mention their Chicago outpost

>>386934067
t. brotherhoodbabby
I want to make America great again.

>>386934049
Man, if the next game is set down south they could recycle that secret base shit from FO3.

>>386934110
Aw god damnit.

>>386934049
I wonder if we'll have deathclaws, super mutants and feral ghouls in the next Fallout as well.

>>386934125
>Hello, I'd like to help you genocide all non-Enclave
>I accept that I am non-Enclave and therefore "on the list" but I feel you should make an exception for me

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>>386933856
>implying I didn't tell the old bitch to fuck off and die
Those bullshit vision of "oh save us chosen one!" were fucking with my groove desu. I was making mad dosh, living fast and fucking bitches. I don't give a shit about saving some assbackward tribals who are too brainlet to properly grow some food or gtfo.

>>386933919
Caesar seems much too smart and educated to throw everything away due to his petty feelings. He wouldn't charge at something as big as the NCR if he knew a supposedly strong force was right as his doorstep. I don't think the midwest BoS would see Caesar's legion as mere tribals, considering even the NCR considers them a threat. And Caesar has the best scouts of the wasteland, no way would the BoS operate anywhere near his territories without him noticing, hence why he captured the two scribes. So that either leaves two options, either the midwest BoS controls a relatively small part of the midwest, for from Colorado or they not really a strong force, at least compared to the legion.

>>386934357
>Caesar seems much too smart and educated to throw everything away due to his petty feelings.
Caesar is a human, no?

>>386925446
>>386925946

>muh civilithathion

maybe some people are aware that civilization lead to the planet being a nuclear wasteland.

>>386934357
The Legion relies on conquering tribals to keep the war machine rolling forward. Lanius tells you that taking Denver almost broke the Legion because there's basically no tribals out that way

A war with the Midwestern BoS would accomplish nothing, while also denying Caesar his moment of glory of conquering NCR

>>386929860
If "building more" is reproduction, sure.

>>386934357
>>386934432
>tfw to intelligent for (((((((feelings))))))))

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>>386931358
i support this outcome

>>386934573
>tfw you will never breed Curie and make her into a mother
feelsprettybad

>>386934637
Artificial wombs aren't far from becoming a thing in the real world. It's not a stretch to think the institute could figure that out.

Of course, Todd Howard and his merry writers are too fucking shit to cover all their bases or branch into fascinating tech for the purposes of deeper story telling. Simple stories for simple people.

>>386934432
Yes, but he's not a stupid human. None of his actions in the game come off as coming from a "passion". He's pretty calculated and efficient. He even forbids entertainment, drugs, and distractions from his society in order to make it a literal war machine.

>>386934518
That's assuming that the BoS is even on Caesar's radar. He didn't seem concerned with them in NV. I don't think he was ignoring them because a war with them would "accomplish nothing", but rather because they were a nonfactor to him. There is nothing he says that suggests the midwest BoS is a huge force. If they were really a huge society that helped the wasteland, had factories, recruited locally, and were expanding, then he wouldn't call them a "dead end".

>>386934745
>>386934637
Are her romance options in game even worth the purchase of Fallout 4?

>>386934894
Curie is adorable, naive (when it comes to people) but super intelligent when it comes to medicine (because she's a robot) and her sexy ass French accent is perfect.

I like her.

Besides, mods make her better and introduce a plethora of waifus. Unless you play on PS4, in which case, sorry pal.

>>386930753
source?

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>>386935025
>her sexy ass French accent is perfect.
Sold, fuck GoTY I'm getting this shit tomorrow for a 20 desu.

>>386930753
It's Mad-Fucking-Max in Australia. Search your heart, you know it to be true.

>>386935025
stfu reddit

>>386935174
>Le reddit spacing may may. XD

u

mad

bro

?

>>386935174
Hahaha btfo

>>386935142
Mad Max didn't come out in 50s bro. Besides there's no gas left and there are giant mutant emus that run around at Mach5 speeds. That doesn't sound like fun at all.

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>>386935263
>Gas
>Not Guzzolene.
You're the reason God doesn't talk to us anymore.

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So if the whole world was turned into Australia how about the real one

>>386935346
>Le witness me senpai!
>Mediocre senpai!
>S-shiny and chrome!
Fuck off you meme loving fagboy

>>386935413
still sitting on centrelink bitching about the lack of jobs while shitposting on 4chan desu.

>>386935263
>there can't be Mad Max references in my Mad Max reference

>>386935484
fuck you cunt

>>386935484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s96drQkfpPI

>>386933381
>So much that they had a little cry about it for it to be changed to something less offensive.

Lots of Nip players were mad at people crying that it should be changed.
Some of the reasons for rage was along the lines "you think we're so pathetic we can't handle a reference to real world nukes" and such

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>>386935025
>>386935174
>>386935195

What is this "Reddit spacing"?
I've been there sometimes and remembered this meme, but the topics I saw don't use this spacing.
What gives?

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>>386935605
I hate this

>>386931620
>chinks
>good
>even in fiction
thanks for the laff

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>>386935668
There is no such thing as Reddit spacing. Some fucking aspies on /v/ are just looking for reasons to devolve the conversation over people who hit enter twice between points.

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>>386931397
>NPC's have always been fodder, in all Fallout games
That's what mods are for
>mfw enemy ranks and legendaries mod on very hard

>>386935424
TRIGGERED

>>386923872
Really? If you look at inner city ghettos in America right now people are only 1-2 steps away from it.

Take that population, completely remove all government support such as education, healthcare, any form of emergency protection at all, throw in a ton of added challenges such as finding food and water, and I can easily see Detroit turning into packs of warring tribals. The only reason they're not already there is because there's some form of central authority trying hard to stop it.

>>386935968
This makes sense, actually, thanks.

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>>386922991
I want to go back to Arroyo

>>386936021
That's because they are black.

>>386932682
Well technically it's my fault I guess, but it's not like I just go lelrandumb murderhobo
>enter town, steal literally everything useful
>do all of their quests
>if I like them or they are important to the main story I just move on
>otherwise murder everyone and take their stuff

>>386936184
More like AYYoro

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>>386928716

>>386933936

Isn't florida a massive fuck huge mutated jungle in the fo universe?

>>386923038
Second post best post. I love you, anon.

>>386934625
>tfw laser kiwi wasn't selected for consideration as the new flag

>>386931332
No clue why they think the ice caps would be melted, nuclear winter would lead to an ice age for decades if not hundreds of years.

I WANT MY TALKING DEATHCLAW!!

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>>386939342
Frank killed the last one

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>>386938129
That would be so amazing.
>dem ruined beachfront cities
>mutated overgrown swamps and jungles
>alligator, snapping turtle, and catfish mutants, no boring fucking super mutants and deathclaws again

Either the NCR absorbed them, they joined the Legion or House integrated them into the Strip.
The rest were all exterminated. There appears to still be some tribals in the East, since the Legion managed to integrate them into their army after the fiasco at the Hoover Dam.

If we also take into account Graham's definition of tribal, we're not only limited to those wearing loincloths and throwing spears, though.

>>386930895
Isn't it a plot point that the NCR's regular army is being intentionally hamstrung by General Oliver and President Kimball to make victory against the Legion 'more heroic' or some bollocks? IIRC NCR officers complain more than once that the extra manpower and materiel they need exists but just isn't being sent their way for some incomprehensible reason.

>>386941517
No? NV is just another boarder for them, NCR is more interested in protecting its core where the wealthy "cattle barons" are.

>>386941517
Nah, the special forces are the ones being fucked over so Oliver's shitty heavy troops can claim the credit.

>>386941517
Yes, General Oliver is trying to set up a meatgrinder at Hoover Dam where he thinks he'll win with his Troopers alone, which will be the only way he could one up Hanlon and the Rangers for their first victory

It's why the Fiends have grown to the point they can storm and take Camp McCarran. His soldiers have their orders to sit and do nothing rather than deal with shit that needs dealing with.

>>386922752
Was power armor training a good addition or was it better when anyone could use it?

>>386932484
Is the Enclave the Fallout version of ((((them))))?

>>386933483
Pretty sure The Shi got integrated into the NCR

>>386923689
fiends