Find a flaw

Art

too short

sans fight was shit

U-uhh... the... fanbase?

Indie

>>386914406
Yeah umm, no, sweetie.

boring,deleted after 10 minutes, can't imagine how anyone could go through that battle system for the entire game

>>386914348
Too much underground

Never got ported to consoles for normies to play

>>386914348
>Fanbase is shit
>Shit pixel art
>Shitty "lol so random XDDD" "humor"
>"Progressive"
>Shit battle mechanics
>Shit "puzzles"
>Pretentious as fuck story
The only good thing was the music.

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Not enough waifus

>>386914348
The turnbased combat is shallow.
Money is worthless.
2 of the final bosses have checkpoints.
Alphys is one of the worst characters I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with.
Its observational humor is overused and lacking in subtlety, which makes everything come off as juvenile.
Its spritework is very inconsistent in quality.
The puzzles are so simple and low effort you wonder why the dev even bothered.
Trying to cover for the aforementioned puzzles with ironic observational humor.
Someone's fursona is in the game.

>>386914348
Was pretty boring desu. I played for a few hours but really couldn't get into it so I dropped it. The gameplay felt like it came straight out of RPG maker. I seriously don't understand why /v/ sucked its dick for as long as it did when it came out.

Alphys

that shmup box

manipulative narrative

earhbound fanboyism

tried to turn you into a gay furry skeletophile sometimes

the "fanbase"

>>386915257
>Someone's fursona is in the game.
to be fair the fact that it's as hidden as possible and literally apologizes to the player's face for existing makes up for it

>>386914348
Hotlands segment went on for way too long while having nothing except Alphys and puzzles for most of it

>>386915747
Yeah the whole hotland section where she's texting every 5 steps was fucking terrible

>>386914475
sweetieposting needs to die

No hard mode outside of the first part

>>386916197
it's still in the game as a result of some furfag throwing thousands of dollars at the dev, which is an inherent flaw in crowdfunding.

>>386916197
which would be great if the humor was well written. sadly, its not

>>386914348
ZERO (0) replayability

And if you're quick enough you can beat the pacifist route in under two hours and refund it

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>>386914481
>He only played 10 minutes

>>386914563
>He thinks the fanbase is a reason to hate the game and probably couldn't get past Toriel

>>386915889
He thinks the narrative stops him from making the choices he wants

Every time I think I've found the answer to "which is worse, the fandom or the hatedom?", you faglings always seem to outdo each other.

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>>386914348
Too short.
Hotlands was too long for the length of the game.
Alphys is fucking annoying. She was from the beginning, but if they just left it at that then I wouldn't care that much. But they shoehorned her in so much with the phone calls and texts, Jesus Christ.
The entire Genocide route was incredibly boring and its novelty wore off fast.
And I love the game, but I won't pretend it isn't flawed.

>>386914481
>plays a game for 10 minutes and says its boring
ishygddt

>>386916506
this, dear fucking god.

>>386916197
I don't think people appreciate exactly how well hidden So Sorry is
>Only accessible by finding an invisible path, which can only be naturally found by constantly pressing up against a cliff for no reason while walking. Keeping 99% of players from finding him.
>Sign says Player needs to come back at specific date and time
>Immediately, most people will go to adjust their clocks to see what happens
>For most, nothing happens. Because in order to start the fight you will have needed to defeat Muffet. A boss that has no relation to So Sorry and serves as a needless additional trigger to keep people from finding So Sorry.

I doubt many people ever fought So Sorry, the conditions were just too annoying and complicated. You would need to come back and try to read the sign in that hidden room at a specific minute of the year while having beaten Muffet but not Mettaton.

Nobody ever fought So Sorry naturally.

>>386916756
autism

>>386916756
>>386915889

Not him, but manipulative narrative is completely correct, and I don't mean the guilt trip from genocide either, as the story doesn't even guilt trip you THAT bad. Sans, as a character is pissed that you killed his brother, but so long as you leave papyrus alive, whatever combination of neutral endings you get can be considers "good" endings.

Sans, however, is not "Undertale" and as such, does not speak for Undertale. What he's RIGHT about though, about the game being manipulative, is that the ending portions of the games try to guide the player into accepting a certain idea. Be it Genocide or Pacifism, the game tries to set you along a key polarity of "Obviously Evil" or "Obviously innocent". Asgore might get chewed out by his wife, and Undyne comforts him-

Aww, poor goat man with his ex-wife;

The nigger killed 6 kids.

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>undertale thread
>2017

I don't know considering I haven't played it and don't really plan to.

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>>386917087
Asgore did NOTHING wrong!

atari graphics and chiptunes automatically disqualify your game from being good

>>386917187
You're allowed to hate undertale.
I'll even enjoy you if you make a good argument.
But you're going to shit on the music? Go away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCMJC1Ig6s

Alphys

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>>386914348
Furbait
Homestuck-tier Autistbait
Gameplay is babbies first bullet hell
Story is easily forgettable and just combines concepts already done before.

4/10

>>386917187
Why are chiptunes bad?

>>386918312
>Homestuck-tier Autistbait
Fuck does this even mean?

>>386917180
Asgore did EVERYTHING wrong. Every single thing he's even tangentially involved in.
Flowey did nothing wrong.

>>386919137
It means that anon's trying too hard

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>despite being a linear game with no replay value that came out nearly 2 years ago there is still a /vg/ general up and multiple threads in /trash/ and other porn boards constantly

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>>386919137
Simple inoffensive two-dimensional characters that appeal to these kind of people.
Why do you think there are still Undertale generals on /vg/ going on to this day?

Fucking autists love that shit so much hell there is even a fucking FNAF general on /vg/

>>386919214
t. pleb

>>386919561
I swear they're putting shit in the Water turning people fucking autistic.

>>386919606
What does Patrick Bateman have to do with anything you just posted?

There's not enough lewd of Muffet.

>>386914348
Muffet doesn't appear enough

>>386919561
>no replay value
Wrong, considering there are 3 significantly different endings that have unique content

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>>386919816
Just trying to get some sweet digits out of this shit thread.

>>386919873
>Good ending where you have to fight boss fag furry
>Neutral ending which is basically just meh w/e
>Genocide ending that is boring as hell except the sans meme fight

woah E P I C.

People that my cool internet friends don't like like it

>>386919606
Shit bait

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>>386920134
Go yiff or watch MLP or something faggot.

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>>386919209
>Flowey did nothing wrong.

>>386920310
But it's true.
Ostensibly the only thing he did wrong is have a shitty friend but being a young gullible kid with no other friends I don't think he can really be held at a wrong there.

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the fanbase

>>386914481
>Play a game for 10 minutes
>"you can't say it's bad,you only played a short amount of time"
>Play a game for a long amount of time to get a better judgement
>how can you say it's bad if you played it for so long"
Really makes you think

>>386920435
Flaws with the game, numpnuts

I fucking hate Sans

Papyrus is fucking great.

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Asgore is my favorite

>>386914348
Papyrus isn't real

>>386916506
>2017
>still gets triggerred by sweetieposting

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>>386921568
He's the best.

>>386920416
I suppose I shouldn't be shocked that goat lovers are retarded

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>>386921582

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>>386921730
Memes aside though I do honestly think he has the best and most constantly good content. His entire section during netural is hands down the best part of the game and his stuff ended up hitting me the hardest by far. I'm glad that he was able to get a happy ending and according to the one year later Q&A was confirmed happy and still really close friends with best girl Undyne.

>>386922005
I swear I've read this post with that image at least a dozen times, is this pasta?

>>386921765
Name one thing

>>386922005
Wait what's the one year later q and a and how have i not heard of it

>>386922224
https://undertaleqa.tumblr.com/

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>>386922145
Being a little bitch and getting his sister killed and then going all serial killer on everyone. Thank God he's the only character that gets a shit ending and can't be saved. Fuck do you realize that you can even save Chara but not Asriel?
It's wonderful

The writing, by which I mean awful puns.

>>386922376
Are you, uh, sure you paid attention to the lore?

>>386922103
I've never written anything quite like that but I do post that picture from time to time since Undyne is my second favorite character and him being a dad to her is my favorite fandom thing because it's cute

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>>386922376
>sister

>still not a legitimate criticism in the entire thread
bravo /v/

>>386922447
Did you? Asriel is stuck as Flowey and because of his own morals will never be able to regain his ability to love because he can't bear having to deal with the guilt he has from his serial killing sprees.

If you want you can do gencoide and then a soulless pacifist run to save Chara but Asriel will always be stuck as a pathetic worthless flower missing the only thing that makes his life worth living. No less than he deserves of course.
>>386922518
Sister brother its all the same point in the end. Happy human and unhappy flower

>>386922278
That was adorable, thanks anon

>>386914348
Genocide mode is unnecessarily grindy, with only 2 bosses.

The annoying dog secret is worthless and the developer never delivered the boss fight he promised for it.

Alphys' entire phone section fucking sucks.

>>386922472
Weird, I remember those exact opinions expressed in a similar rambling manner from every Undertale thread I've ever visited. Maybe you've posted in them all.

>>386922629
Sister literally killed herself, if you mean the later escapade/dying to the outside world that's someone trying to RESIST HAVING A FUCKING DEMON TAKE OVER YOUR BODY which I think is reasonable.
The whole "serial killer" thing was after years, years of being stuck in a groundhog loop where nothing has any consequences. Exactly what's to blame there

>>386922847
>Exactly what's to blame there
The dumb fuck for resetting over and over and then getting bored enough to start killing people? From the first reset he could have just waited for Frisk to fall but because he didn't he literally can't bear being a goat again because of all his guilt.

Its fucking great. Everyone else even Asgore and Alphys who do some pretty fucked up shit get to be happy but the 'poor' little goat kid is fucked forever due to his own actions and its all his fault.

>>386922930
>he could have just waited for Frisk to fall
Dude why do you think he can somehow see decades into the future?

>>386914348
Awful gameplay, no story and zero interesting characters, puke inducting graphics even if you know 2d limitations its ugliest 2d game I ever seen, trash and boring combat, 12 yo edgy jokes and dialogues.

>muh choices
Yeah fuck off I chose to alt+f4 and not to play this turd.

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>30 fps in an engine where the frame counter is visible in the fucking room editor
>Genocide run is tedious unless you exploit the poor programming that allows you to walk in two directions at the same time

>>386922992
You have yet to tell me why it isn't his fault that he started killing people. In genocide he even tells you that when he first started doing it he felt bad but pushed through to see what would happen.

His fate is literally his own fault

>>386922930
>From the first reset he could have just waited for Frisk to fall

Doesn't Frisk come after about a bajillion years of him already having done all the things that led him to basically be a murderous sociopath? It's not like he could've known some kid with a better version of his god power would pop up one day.

>>386914348
Playing the game with any knowledge of it ruins the experience. Even knowing that people liked the game will ruin it for you. You need to play this game with 0 information about it, knowing nothing about how it plays, or what people like about it. In, say 10 years, when this game inevitably becomes a relic, there may come a time when someone can experience this game the same way everyone else did when it first came out. While many games can live up to the hype generated for them, Undertale cannot. The experience is the only part of the game worth considering, since the gameplay is lacking. Those who were lucky enough to experience the game when it was new can replay it endlessly, since they are basing their experience off of the first time they played. Though someone picking the game up for the first time today, after seeing extensive memes and videos about the characters, will not find it nearly as exciting.

tl;dr, it likely won't age well.

>>386923085
No its at most a few months because Alphys is still doing shit with the amalgamates

>>386914348
Everyone shits on best guy Asgore for no reason

>>386923116
ur mum didn't age well

>>386923085
The point is he didn't have to choose to reset and could have just waited until Frisk fell instead of killing people for kicks. Its what he ends up doing eventually anyways so it was all literally pointless beyond making it so he could never regain emotions. That's why its a fitting fate

>>386923246
FUCK YOU NIGGER TAKE IT BACK

>>386919864
>theboogie will never make a muffet missionary flash

>>386923197
Asgore killed 6 kids.

>>386923083
Let me put it like this:
You're stuck playing some videogame for decades (plausibly over a century). You cannot stop playing. You are fully aware that nothing inside the videogame is of any consequence to anybody or anything.
You're telling me you wouldn't at least try to see all the content?

Also like I said none of the killing mattered anyways so what exactly would he be at fault for? Are you "at fault" for that one time you shot an NPC in a videogame and quickloaded?

>>386923197
The game itself shits on him. He's written as a pathetic, sad joke in the TP ending.

>>386923157
I'm not sure you understand how this timeline thing works.

>>386923256
I'm not saying his fate isn't well-earned, but you still talk about "waiting for Frisk" like it's something he could have anticipated.

>>386923256
I don't know why you think anybody knew about Frisk before he fell

>>386923116
I just finished my first true pacifist run last night after getting the game a couple of days ago since I had nothing better to do and knew how much praise this game had received, and I feel like you're kind of right. Also even though a genocide play-through sounds cool, replaying so much of the same content sounds awful to me, which I think says a lot about the game.
It was still pretty neat though with some great ideas and good boss theme music.

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I just wish they'd add SOMETHING on with the re-release aside from physical loot
From what I gather, its literally the same game

I mean, I don't have too big of an issue with it because maybe there are people out there who wants to play undertale but didnt because consoles and shit

At the same time, I just wish there was more added on to the story, or at least a complete hard mode, or SOMETHING

A-at least we can now play in japanese

>>386923296
Its a lowkey lession of genocide that even if you reset you still have to suffer for what you did. For the player its the fact that Chara repalces Frisk, for Flowey / Asriel its that he can't bare to regain emotions
>>386923361
>>386923410
Oh I see the confusion here. Yeah no one knew frisk would fall but Flowey could still have waited for something new to happen without going through with all the serial killing. Its the fact that he didn't that damned him.

>>386923436
Japanese are eating it up and Toby is already a millionaire. So he didn't change shit. Nigga hasn't even made the annoying dog boss fight.

Toby Fox is my god. I worship him everyday.

>>386923418
When I first played through the game when it came out, I was desperate for more. I played through again and again, wondering how the game would go if I did even a single thing differently. I even refused to do a genocide run, because I liked the characters too much. It broke my heart too much to imagine killing them. It's the difference between growing up with someone, and meeting them at a party.

>>386923312
I wouldn't go that far. Only Toriel shits on him and he has a lot of cute dialog with Undyne and Alphys after that showing how hes a good guy and you can agree to work for him and to become closer to him by agreeing to drink tea.

>>386923467
He did try waiting until something happened, many many many many times. He had to wait an inordinately long amount of time before the whole Frisk thing, he was going through his options as they showed up.
Also way to dodge the question fagolio

>>386923361
Flowey is waiting for a human to fall at the start of the game. That's why he's hanging out in that cave. He wants a human soul, had tried repeatedly to steal the souls from Asgore but never succeeded, so his only option is to wait for a new human to fall.

Give me one good reason you don't want Muffet to step on your face

>>386923281
And

If you think about it, the Monsters are just going to be killed by government agents or something on the surface. They basically become god-like being when they go near one human soul.

>>386923591
No one knew Frisk would fall but Flowey still didn't have to start killing people. He could have just waited for something to happen and toyed with the good options until something did change aka Frisk falling which would have happen at some point. Because he didn't he fucked himself over and effectually traumatized himself and can't deal with the guilt he feels for his actions. Its literally his own fault for choosing to do the things he feels guilty about

This is not a hard concept

>>386923467
From what we know, he waited for fucking forever. Perhaps more timelines and years than we could possible conceive. It wouldn't be hard to think that he would lose hope of anything fixing situation after all that. It doesn't justify his countless murders, but it does explain quite a bit.

>>386923740
No, he could have waited at most a few months because of the stuff with the amalgamates which puts a hard time on when he was created. He was created at the same moment as them and we can sketch out a rough estimate of how long that timeline has been going on since he first awoke.

>>386923197
Asgore isn't nearly as hated as he was a few years ago. He has a nice little section of the fanbase to himself now and the popular opinion towards him has become much higher

>>386923807
exactly what proofs are there about how long the amalgamates have existed?
a whole load of shit went down with the amalgamates, like, townsfolk dying
everyone seems to have forgotten about that

>>386916506
Yet another 3 year old tumblr meme that gets "imported" to 4chan, it's ayy lmao all over again.

just a bunch of stolen ideas

>>386923737
Well in the end, if he WASN'T a manipulative sociopath trying to destroy everything then none of the events that eventually led to the true pacifist ending and the freedom of all monsters and him temporarily being a goat again would never have happened. I guess something else could have happened if he chose not to but there's no guarantees.

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>>386923737
>>386923954
Because of not having a soul he's incapable of positive emotions, and not for lack of trying. This gets explained pretty clearly.

>>386923807
What part of he lived and experienced countless timelines do you not understand? The only thing that amalgamates prove is that he'd spent only a few months in the last and current timeline that Frisk becomes part of.

>>386923570
What you call cute I saw as desperate, out of touch, embarrassing, and sad. Like a father who knows his children hate him, yet badly wants them to think he's hip. Fuck, his reaction to Toriel attacking and insulting him is to immediately beg her to be his friend. He doesn't defend himself, his actions, or his beliefs, everything he stood by to keep his kingdom functioning for what, a century? The fuck, Toby?

>>386923896
I honestly don't get why people would hate Asgore to begin with. He did fucked up shit but it was because he thought it was the best thing for his people and he was butthurt about his kid dying. It's plainly obvious he's still a good guy at the end of everything, and even if you vehemently disagree with his actions even just the simple fact that he forced himself to do evil shit makes him """"deeper"""" than 90% of the cast.

>>386923898
>exactly what proofs are there about how long the amalgamates have existed?
The notes from Asgore and the families of the amalgamates that Alphys foolishly contacted before they started melting together indicate that its only been a few months at most and that people were starting to get more and more upset over it. Its not an exact number but it rules out years and years
>>386923954
The whole reason he gives up the souls is because of his guilt towards everyone. Its why hes so clear about everyone getting a happy ending and being happy and why he hints that he'll stop caring at some point and go back to being a sociopath.
>>386924036
Not feeling positive emotions doesn't make you kill a bunch of people. He choose to start killing fully aware of what he was doing and explains this very clearly during genocide.
>>386924084
You are aware that he wasn't forced to reset and that every time after the first it was a choice on his part, right? The fact that he choose to reset over and over until he degraded to the point that he was happy to kill people is why hes a bad guy for most of the game and why hes the only character that can't be saved. Its a moral that is only reinforced later during genocide

>>386924084
He's saying that Flowey is an impatient dick that couldn't keep himself busy for a few months before he started killing people.

>>386924176
>Like a father who knows his children hate him
Undyne fucking loves the dude and even later on the surface still hangs out with him.
>He doesn't defend himself, his actions, or his beliefs, everything he stood by to keep his kingdom functioning for what, a century?
He knows that he did the wrong thing and won't defend himself because hes feels like shit about it and will even kill himself during some endings. Hes not going to defend himself when he doesn't think his actions are just, hes not proud of it.

>>386924202
I think "all positive emotions forcibly lobotomized out of your brain" would be a leading cause for someone becoming a sociopath yeah. Coupled with the whole "you'll never be able to have a normal life again" and "there are no consequences for your behavior".
Yep.
I don't think any living person would turn a goody two shoes there.

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Why made Chara so genocidal?

>>386924381
see >>386924298

I don't know why this is a hard concept for people to understand. Its pretty much spelled out and its thematically constant with genocide which is the route where you're most like Flowey

>>386924202
>why he hints that he'll stop caring at some point and go back to being a sociopath.

He doesn't hint, he outright says it. Without everyone's soul powering his goat body, he would go back to being an little shit flower that can't feel emotions. He knew that but he would still rather have sacrificed himself because having emotions again, he wouldn't be happy with all the people he loved being prisoners inside him. He was fucked no matter what.

>Not feeling positive emotions doesn't make you kill a bunch of people. He choose to start killing fully aware of what he was doing and explains this very clearly during genocide.

Do you not even know what defines a sociopath? If a real life sociopath had the god powers that Flowey found himself with, it wouldn't take long for one to start doing their little what-if scenarios.

>>386924470
The genocide route pokes at you because you start killing people for literally no reason.
Flowey was corrupted.

>>386924501
Flowey felt bad when he first started killing people but pushed on to see what would happen. He literally tells you this.

No one forced him to start killing.
No one forced him to restart over and over everytime he got bored
No one forced Flowey to do anything.
His choices were his and only his.

>>386924571
No one forced Flowey to start killing and the reason he was 'corrupt' was because he abused resets. Its completely his own fault and why he still suffers at the end of the game

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>>386914348
>genuinely enjoyed my entire experience with undertale
>so did most of /v/ until it got popular
>now all I hear about it is how cancerous the fanbase is, more so than I see the actual fanbase

I don't consider myself a part of the fanbase, but I'm a fan of the game. Most of the retards just liked the game for the ebin characters and not for all the cool game design and meta shit it pulls.

>>386924649
The reason he was corrupted was that the plot says "not having a soul fucked with his brain chemistry".
Just like that, the plot says it.

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>having a heated debate over a cartoon flower

>>386924817
Fuck off, Flowey

>>386924571
I started killing people because i liked the fighting.

The game never assume you do it for this.

>>386924363
Killing is bad, yeah yeah, he feels bad about it, sure, but he's the fucking king. The hopes of the entire kingdom rested upon him and those dead kids. Especially after Toriel straight up bailed and left the underground with one less ruler. I would have liked Asgore so much more if he spoke up for himself instead of letting Toriel rail him.

>>386924776
You don't seem to understand the simple fact that if he has never choosen to start killing then when he regained his emotions via absorbing souls he wouldn't feel the overwhelming guilt.
>>386924817
>debate
More like i'm saying the same thing over and over and this guy doesn't seem to understand that Flowey was an active player with his own choices he could have made.

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>>386924840

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>>386924773
Well I just played it a few weeks ago and I really liked it. Shit was fun.

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>>386924903
You don't seem to understand the simple fact that he got fucking lobotomized to be an edgelord.

>>386924858
>Route where you get a different story and ending for sparing every fodder enemy but fighting and killing every boss despite being underleveled because you enjoy the challenge and thrill of the fight, thirsting for fulfilling combat and larger than life challenges
That would actually be fucking sick.

>>386924889
I mean that's pretty much why I don't like Toriel among a few other reasons. Yeah Asgore isn't perfect and his TP stuff with Toriel sucks and is by far his weakest moment but I like the rest of his stuff enough to forgive that and still really enjoyed his character. Plus hes confirmed happy and all that shit so w/e he can find some other monster chick to bang if he really wants to get some sweet pussy and a nice chunk of people have him hook up with his wife again post TP anyways so that's an option if you want to go with it.

I don't know man just feel what you want

>>386924649
>He literally tells you this.

You're going to believe that, coming from an unnatural being with no soul who straight up says he can't feel any emotion?

>>386925090
He had literally no reason to be lying at that point since he thought you were Chara and the same as him. He doesn't actually realize what that means until the end of his speech where he gets scared and runs off to try and have daddy save him. There is literally no reason to think he was lying to you at that point and it in fact wouldn't make sense

>>386914348
the battle system sucks ass and makes the game feel like a chore to play
i like the writing and the music but i just couldn't be bothered to finish it
and while it's not really a flaw of the game, because spoilers are all over the place it makes me feel even less like putting in the effort to finish it

>>386925005
You don't seem to understand that being an edgelord doesn't mean he had to start killing people.

>>386925228
Look man, I understand what you're trying to get at, if not for the "muh emotions" thing the whole Flowey groundhog corruption would be a perfect analogue for the genocide route and more morally ambiguous where you'd be completely right in saying hey, it's his fault, just as much as the genocide ending faults the player for so much as looking at it.
And you know what? That would be excellent. That would be better than the official game's actual story. I love that idea.
But the point stands that for some reason or another the game does pull the "muh emotions" card to railroad Flowey's behavior like a bad GM. It's a this-then-that excuse put in place by the actual person who wrote the story. I don't know why it's there but it is.

>>386914348
The characters are genuinely terrible, I don't know how tumblr got so attached to them.

>>386925325
>tumblr

There you go.

>>386925285
Flowey couldn't feel emotions and that sucks but at no point did he have to choose to start murdering people. When he first woke up he actually helped everyone and solved every single issue in the Underground that he could but he got bored and instead of waiting for new things to happen he choose to reset in order to try something new.

He never had to reset. It was a choice on his part because he was curious about what other choices he could make and that curiosity is why he degraded to the point that he was cool with killing people and that is why he has so much guilt when he gets his emotions back and can't stand it

>>386925079
Toby writing Asgore like a sniveling buttmonkey when his actions were justified, though awful, just pisses me off.

>a nice chunk of people have him hook up with his wife again post TP
That sounds wildly OOC and awful, ugh.

>>386925420
He was cool with killing people BECAUSE "muh emotions". The very milisecond the "muh emotions" card is thrown away he regrets it. If not for the "muh emotions" card he might just have waited.
That's the long and short of it.

>>386925507
>That sounds wildly OOC and awful, ugh.
I mean the game literally asks you if you think they could hook back up and agrees with you regardless of what you pick so its a legit option.

I'm not personally a fan of it though but that's just my own feelings

>>386925546
Okay I think I found the issue here.

Flowey knew that killing people was wrong. He was fully aware that what he was doing was morally wrong and he even tells you that at first he felt bad but kept going anyways.

His losing emotions didn't mean he wasn't aware of what was and what wasn't morally wrong just that he didn't feel bad about doing bad things.

wow deathbringer sure is fun and not at all a shit fight

Why are people saying Flowey couldn't feel emotions?

>>386925736
He knew he wasn't doing anything wrong because of the resetting. He just felt bad about it, but his actions didn't matter except as a way of looking for an ultimate solution (which, after he found, he could approach in the most moral way possible).
In the end isn't the whole point here that he felt bad about stuff, not that his actions caused anything?

>>386925919
Convenient excuse for why Asriel isn't responsible for his actions even though he literally owns up to them at the end of TP. Some people aren't able to bring themselves to enjoy a morally gray character.

>>386926020
>but his actions didn't matter except as a way of looking for an ultimate solution (which, after he found, he could approach in the most moral way possible).
lol what? In the game he wasn't looking for a solution to his lack of emotions, he was looking for some entertainment because he got bored. His killing everyone wasn't him trying to find a way to become a goat again it was just something to do that was kind of interesting

>>386924449
her period

>>386926095
He was trying to get the human souls dude.

>>386926161
Yes in order to get more power to fuck around and entertain himself, not in order to restore his emotions. This is shown when he actually gets them and decides to fuck around with Frisk instead of becoming a cute goat right away.

The Mad Dummy fight was shit. SHIT!!!

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>>386925919
Due to his lack of soul he can't feel good emotions, but he gets all exited about being a sadistic fuck so its probably a case of shit writing.

>>386925919
Because he felt nothing when Asgore comforted him. But he clearly "feels" something for Chara so I think it's more that being killed by humans made him a jaded dick ad he just didn't realise it.

I swear he says something like that during the true ending.

>>386926293
>>386926286
He can't feel love and compassion but he can still get mad and all that stuff. Monster souls are literally just their ability to feel those two emotions and because he didn't have one he couldn't feel him.

>>386919606
why the hell is there even a FNAF general alive on /vg/ at all times? I thought we were better than this

>>386926242
Actually hold on, now that you mention it, this does seem like a huge plot hole:
You're telling me that in all that time he never absorbed a single monster soul and started feeling the regret etc. there and then? Even if you only count boss souls you're telling me in all that time he never found a way to kill Toriel?

>>386926286
I was under the impression that he only lost his capacity to feel love. Which, love being of monumental importance to monsters, would understandably fuck his psyche sideways.

>>386926450
Well it takes a while for the emotions to kick in during TP and that's with the souls of literally every single monster inside him (except Napstablook)

Maybe he just didn't wait long enough because hes an impatient fuck or maybe he needed the human souls as well or maybe its just bad writing

>>386919606
>filename
What's your oldest?

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>>386926587
>time code file names
The day it ticked over to 1500000000000 was really weird.

>>386926389
The katawa shouju thread is still fucking up. What the hell goes on in there

>>386914348
Aw this game is rubbish

>>386914348
Combat should've been actual vertical shooter sections

>>386927215
Mettaton's boss battle has that and it's the worst fight in the game.

>>386927283
Toriel's fight is the worst because its so boring

>>386927283
Only because of the limited screen space and no actual enemies to fight

>>386927550
I'll take boring over obnoxious.

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>still no hard mode

>>386927953
Poor Burgerpants

>>386914348
No consistency between artwork, graphics and music.
>>386914530
Its on ps4

although there are different routes, undertale feels linear to me, since you have to be committed to one route to see what you want to see. There's ni way of fixing this imo.

>>386914348
For supposedly wanting to make every NPC an individual, they feel more like immobile cardboard cutouts only saying a quirky line or two.

You can generally feel the laziness coming from the game if you don't let yourself be overwhelmed with "muh feels" and the "so retro/anime" soundtrack.

>>386927953
But you got a PS4 version instead. :)

>>386914563
>Fanbase is shit
Irrelevant
>Shit pixel art
Literally the only star you get; yes, the overworld sprites are garbo
>Shitty "lol so random XDDD" "humor"
Blatant lie
>"Progressive"
Blatant lie unless you really think cute lesbians are somehow breaking new fucking ground
>Shit battle mechanics
Shit taste
>Shit "puzzles"
I mean I guess but who even remembers the puzzles? The puzzles are not even close to the focus of the game at all.
>Pretentious as fuck story
Yeah man "friendship is important" is some real heavy-handed shit, when did video games start trying to push an agenda so hard?

What a surprise, The Game that took the most influence from MOTHER, to the point of laziness, along with it's other influences; resulted in an extremely popular YouTube Ebin Game.

>>386928857
That doesn't make sense

MOTHER and Touhou aren't popular youtube games, and if they are now they weren't before undertale.

>>386928808
Mother fucker, compared to literally any other Game influenced by the MOTHER Series, this Games humour is shit, and lazy. I wouldn't even mind if all of the blatant "homages" and "references" weren't so lazy. There's a point where that shit stops being charming, and is just lazy. There's a series of Videos that outlies all the references that goes over 30 Minutes. And this is for a fucking 5 Hour Game. When you do that, don't give me shit for saying you did something out of laziness instead of genuine interest in doing so. >>386928912
I meant what I said in the context of "This Game is lazy, as opposed to others, and that's why it got so popular". It's easy to digest, and I don't mean that in that Egoraptor fucker sort of way. It's basically the equivalent of hitting a can to make noise. Anyone can do it, and it's extremely easy to do.

>>386916506
Aww honey bear, why does it make you uncomfortable ?