HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Someone explain GOTY editions, why do they use that when the game hasn't won any GOTY awards?

>>386897461

>Hold your own private award show
>Let it win GOTY
Bam.
The title doesn't mean jack shit.

>>386897461
>why do they use that
Sounds better than "All the crap in one bundle".

>>386897461
goty stands for the last version of the game with all content that was not bundled with the original all in one bundle.

>>386897461
It's just delusional marketing from Bethesda. No game should get a GOTY edition unless it has decent DLC and is actually a consensus GOTY. The Witcher 3 came out the same year and already has a GOTY edition, and unlike Fallout 4, actually deserves it. This is more milking.

I'll never understand why Bethesda stopped after only two DLC expansions.

>>386897806
They're going to turn the rest into fallout 5.

>>386897461
>when the game hasn't won any GOTY awards?
Nominated for Game of the Year in a number of publications. It's how even the lowest of publishers can release a GotY Edition.

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>>386897301
Fallout 4 totally won this award

srsly guys

swear to god

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>>386897806
dlc and games takes effort to make regardless of how bad it is.
Why try doing something that takes effort when you can release the same game over and over again and your fanbase will eat it up? They did it with Skyrim and are still doing it with Skyrim and will likely do the same for fallout 4

>>386897461
You should also know Complete Edition stopped being a thing and got replaced by Ultimate Edition because they don't have to lie about it being complete anymore. Ubishit uses Gold Edition. Nintendo might start using Deluxe more often, possibly as a throw back to DX.

>>386898235
Ubishit gold edition isn't even a DLC bundle, it's released at the same time as the regular game except it has some EXCLUSIVE bullshit horse armor or something that easily could have been in the base game but they know people will pay $20 extra for it.

>>386897301

Thank fuck I never bought the season pass. I somehow knew the game would be shit and I would never get around to playing the dlc.

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>>386897461
It's just an excuse to release the game again at full price, while including the extra shit that was originally separate so it doesn't feel like a total ripoff

The "goty" title is just a superficial term of accomplishment so developers can stroke their own dicks for like they're special when literally who websites are the ones who call it Game of the year.

>>386897461
Fallout 4 won the DICE and BAFTA GOTY awards.
Don't fall for CDProjekts "Gorillion GOTY"campaign.

Nobody cares you won "Squatting Enthusiasts" GOTY you subhuman slav.

>>386897806
3 expansions, though automatron is short, but then 3 workshop modes, with vault tec being a more in depth workshop dlc. Seems reasonable tbqh but they have been selling that season pass at full price since release.
Wasn't even on sale in the steam summer sale.

>>386897461
GOTY means the game is finally out in full.

>>386898959
>Fallout 4 won the DICE and BAFTA GOTY awards.

literally who?

>they'll probably add a piss filter to it too

>tfw unironically excited for TES6

>>386899421
Anon /v/ not knowing anything about the game industry.
Why am I not surprised?

>>386899543
>bethesda releases new game
>buy it
>complain on forum about how shallow and dumbed down it is
>buy all dlc
>continue complaining
>bethesda releases new game
>repeat

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>>386899679
just buy the fucking game you stupid shit

>>386899543
TES6 is going to be the biggest disappointment of this half of the century

>>386899613
>DICE having any relevance in this industry
>let alone some moronic britbongs who have literally nothing to do with videogames

>>386899679
come on anon, we all know bethesdas games are immersive, we all play them have potential to be better and mods often sort them out.
Bethesda games will never be bug free, they will probably never be decent RPG's again, but we will still all spend shit loads of hours in them.

>>386900603
Not them, but the only "Bethesda" RPG I've played since Morrowind for any meaningful amount of time is New Vegas. Everything else was just dreadful.

>>386897301
>not game of the year
>game of the year edition
????????????

>>386897301
As someone who hated the dumbed down fallout 3 i fail to see the difference between 3 and 4.
Both are watered down rpgs for dummies, one is just very marginally more so...is the difference really that great for people.

>>386901148
It's way worse than 3, actually. Not just mechanically, the world too.

>>386897301
As a game collector I need this shit.
But only if all of the content is already on the disc.

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>Fallout 3 gets a GOTY edition
>Fallout 4 gets a GOTY edition
>New Vegas gets an Ultimate edition

it's just not fair NVbros

>>386901305
Would you mind going into detail? It's hard to imagine something more mindnumbing and pointless that f3

>>386898610
funny thing is even without all that shit it would still be a pretty bland cover

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>>386899679
This. I will never understand why they complain about eating shit when they all forget 2 secs later and gleefully line up for the first bite of the next steaming turd
Getting annoying at this point, tired of hearing the same shit, just shut the fuck up

>>386899679
That just means you like their games

>>386897738
Witcher 3 was shit though. F4 was worse but W3 was still bad

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>>386901487
>As a game collector I need this shit.

>>386901562
NV didn't even deserve a FotM edition.

>>386897461
Because every tom dick and harry publication and association does one so you can just scrape the bottom of the barrel and use that award. Just about every major release wins at least one GOTY just about just usually they're irrelevant and no one sees them, but occasionally some cheeky dev decides to use them for marketing shit.

>>386901916

Were there any better games that year though? It was a shit year

>>386902015
Yeah because it ended up being Game of the Decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ac5AVosug

How many times has Fallout 4 been released?

Just think, there are people out there right fucking now, who have literally purchased Skyrim for the PS3/xbox 360, PS4/XB1, Switch, PC, and are probably going to buy the VR version too. We already have VR FO4 announced, and despite Todd publicly saying "it didn't get received how we thought it would" they're going to re-release this piece of shit too and people WILL buy it 5+ times because it's "good" to them.

>>386898103
I don't get it.

>>386901916
wrong

>>386899679
>Implying I gave Bethesda my hard earned money.

>>386898959
todd please

>>386898610
>"NOSE"
my sides

The amount of greed and jewery is insane. Remember when DLC was the pinnacle of "fuck you customer fork over more money"? Now they're selling you the same turd again like a year later as a "remaster", "definitiv" or "GOTY" edition where they maybe change the resolution or some other minor thing while often downgrading and breaking other parts of the game and there are STILL retards that gobble this shit up like their lives depend on it. I mean if everyone does it it must be profitable right? I just can't fucking comprehend how retarded you must be to spread your asscheeks even further

>>386897301
>>386900796
>>386900603
>>386899679
What would /v/ do if Bethesda would announce a return to form, ala Morrowind/Oblivion/Daggerfall? Would you give them your money?

Yeah but when is the next TES?

So is Fallout 5 going to be shit too?

>>386897461
Because they can

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>>386898610

>>386903023
That depends on if the games end up being any good or not. If so, I'd buy them, if not, well, do what I do now, just don't play them or at most pirate the games.

>>386900350
True DICE doesn't have the gravitas of the dewrito popes GOTY but you make due with what you can.

In case your sarcasm detector is broken that was sarcasm.
Do you think if you just say one of ,if not the ,most prestigious award in the industry is irrelevant with enough conviction people will believe you?
Just pathetic anon.

>>386903023
I'd mail Todd a crisp 50 dollar bill

>>386897703
goty stands for game of the year you fucking mongoloid
it used to mean something

>>386898959
>Fallout 4 won the DICE and BAFTA GOTY awards.
Nobody wants your facts here.

>>386897701
Why not use "complete edition" instead?

>>386897738
Really you need dlc to be a GOTY candidate?

>>386902518
Burns throws a party to give himself an award.

>>386903023
Wonder why they went out of business after they started making games /v/ liked?

>>386903541
Because GAME OF THE YEAR has a ring to it.

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>>386902915
You're a massive underageb& if you think bundling the game with all of its expansions is a new type of jewery.

>>386903587
Did you even watch the episode?

>>386903612
Complete edition or definitive edition has it too and you don't need to lie saying it's a fucking goty when it's not. There are a lot of games that use the goty shit to bundle everything together when they are not fucking goty.

>>386901585
My memory of 4 is hazy, but I'll try. The dialog system is completely pointless. It's a neutered version of Mass Effect, I struggle to remember parts where what I said actually matter. You'd think the game would be highly limited in dialog thanks to only having 4 options at a time, yet the conversations feel like they were designed for 2 buttons at most. Most of your options boiled down to agree, agree while complaining (without effects), agree with a quip (again without effects) and ending the conversation. At least 1/3 of these agree options turned out to be identical as well, a mod that reverts the vague descriptions back to transcriptions of dialog has revealed that. Quests are also more restrictive than 3's, with even more duality in choices.
Then you have the character creation streamlining, with skills becoming perks, so you effectively get less perk choices. Perks are very "gimmick free", you get mostly flat bonuses and even the creative stuff you'd expect to give you extra options as they did in 3 does not in 4. With skills becoming 5 tiered perks you're also expected to invest into them very early to keep up with the damage sponges. The plot is somehow even more full of holes than 3's, it feels like a collage of set pieces without any real thought put into them. The world is pretty damn boring, instead of tunnels you get some exposed upper floors in buildings you're supposed to explore and eventually jetpack into, but it's never really developed in a meaningful way. The city design is also very claustrophobic and hard to navigate visually as every building looks virtually the same. The little storytelling 3 had inside buildings is also mostly gone, even the terminals.

I've seen this one really solid video once from a Fallout autist that covers things pretty well despite the ranty tone, if you ever feel like spending 3 hours instead of 300 it's worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrQs9ugQiOA

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>>386903541
Because that doesn't stroke their egos hard enough

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>>386899679
Haven't bought anything Bethesda related since vanilla Fallout 3, laddie. I rarely pirate games too, usually if I play something I just up and buy it. But I've made it a point to never spend a dime on one of Todd's games ever again.

I guess I did buy New Vegas and its DLC, but even that was on sale.

>>386903541
Game of the Year makes the game sound like it's the best thing you can find. Complete edition just tells you that it's complete. This is base level marketing. Would you prefer to visit "The Worlds Best Theme Park" or "Good Theme Park."

>>386899543

It'll have good lore at least.

>>386903748
Again, it's a marketing term just like RPG.

>>386897461
It's basically some stupid 'Director's Cut' title.

>>386903748
It won Goty awards, therefore it is a Goty. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. It's a meaningless term. It's like complaining about a game putting "10/10" on its box because you think it's shit.

>>386903879
I would like to go to Definitive Theme Park. It sounds fucking dope.

>>386903690
>reading comprehension
Look at Skyrim, they first pushed that GOTY thing out and THEN the remaster and they're still trying to get more cash with ports
Also barely any game has expansion packs anymore

>>386897301
I liked Fallout 4 and the first expansion was surprisingly good

>>386897301

So now that it's been a while, have mods fixed FO4 yet?

Now I only need to wait another 6 months before the goty edition is on some sort of sale and I can finally play fallout 4

>>386904006
Some games didn't and still use GOTY. They souldn't lie. What so hard to understand about that?
I wonder if I could denounce them to get money because they told me the game was goty and find out it isn't.

When did GOTY/Complete collections become a bad thing? People in this thread acting like it's literally the antichrist, when I won't even buy a game that I know is going to have a lot of dlc untill this kind of edition rolls around.

No, I'm not pretending F4 is good

>>386904053
And again you come across as a complete child for thinking this is something new. Do you have any idea how many different versions of Doom were published in its first five years? Stop the presses, game companies will do whatever they can to get people to buy one game lots of times.

>>386897301
HATE GAME OF THE YEAR EDITIONS

>>386897461
At this point it's just another way to say, game with all DLC included at standard retail price

>>386897552
car companies have been doing this shit for years and games jumped on the bandwagon
this shit needs to stop and should be considered false advertising

>>386903541
Because that would imply they release unfinished games

lol

>>386897738
>Witcher 3
Who, you mean some trash that barely sold any copies compared to FO4? LMAO. Some randomm dumbfucks with no credentials don't decide what GOTY is, the playerbase does. FO4 has several times more concurrent player than TW3 on Steam, it is the the absolute GOTY of this 2015, nothing even comes close.

>>386904397
Oh really? How many HD editions and remastered editions can you name that came out prior to 2015 or whenever this bullshit started mr oldfag?

>>386897703
Now it does, but it used to mean something that won a ton of awards. Granted, awards in the video game industry don't mean jack shit, but there was at least an attempt to not slap GOTY all over every shit game that wanted to bundle its DLC. People are rightfully upset a shit game from devs that literally have gotten worse with more time, money, and resources are trying to pass of Fallout 4 as an award winning game.

>>386904376

I think it's just people who feel cheated because they bought the worthless season pass.

>>386897461
Fallout 4 did get GOTY from multiple places.

stop being an idiot.

>>386904598
>it sold more so its better
FIFA is best game by your retarded standards

>>386903441
>goty stand for game of the year

lmao ok grandpa

>hating on complete editions of games

/v/ has reached a new low today

>>386903801
How come New Vegas didn't put GOTY on it's box?

>>386904598
>Some randomm dumbfucks with no credentials don't decide what GOTY is, the playerbase does
Imagine being this retarded

>>386904936
Because it hasn't won any GOTY awards iirc.

>>386897461

theres like 5 billion gaming websites that can hand out their GOTY awards. Basically every game can win them. Likewise, most places also do GOTY split into sub categories e.g. Fallout got "RPG of the year" from ShitWebsite which then counts as GOTY for the box.

>>386903541
because then they wouldn't be able to release dlc after the "complete" edition is out
if it's just "goty" then they can

>>386904897
>complete edition of a shit game is good

>>386898235
What does "DX" is even mean?

>>386899679
Well I learned my lesson, I was specifically going to wait for this full edition during a steam sale before I bought it, but that was two years ago before release since then any desire to play this god ugly game has left me.
Now to wait for a real Fallout or the next Elder Scrolls, will probably hold off on that one too.

>>386905709
"DeluX"

>>386905331
Just like books
"Bestseller" for all of 1-2 days

i might actually get this when they lower the price. fallout 4 doesnt seem that bad

>>386906210
THICC

>>386899276
Yeah, but how many people were excluded when they decided to make half the dlc implements of a broken craft system

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>>386897301
It was only a matter of time before they did this. I agree that calling it GOTY edition is facetious at best.

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>>386897301
Now I can enjoy all of the shittiness of the whole game on my console for free.

Relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqMblpSqhgM

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>>386897738
>more than one game released that year has a game of the year edition

You can say what you want, but in less than 6 months I'll be enjoying the entirety of Fallout 4 for $25.
I played the base game for free at launch, so it'll be a wacky run this time.

>>386903541
Because it implies you originally paid for an incomplete game, which you did

>>386907874
Why not just get it for free again?

>>386908216
Because I don't mind having it legit for less than half the original price and get all the DLC while I laugh at the people who bought the season pass.
I'm just stroking my own ego.

>>386907562
that happens every year.

>>386897301

I hope they make this the re-release on PC and fix all the issues with the first. I'd break and buy it then.

I bet that's why they never patched the original version. Sucker those who bought the original for the full price to buy the fixed reissue.

>>386902915
>greed
Companies exist to make money. It's consumer faults for buying garbage

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>Didn't win shit
>Give the complete collection the "GOTY" title anyway
>Ignoring the fact that this GOTY edition is literally their Fallout 4 Pipboy Day one Edition without the addition of the Special Box since it included the Season Pass.

Not even Skyrim did this shit and it won multiple awards, what the fuck?

>>386907874
>enjoying
>Fallout 4

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Fallout 4 : The Boston Bundle
Fallout 4 : Legendary Edition
Fallout 4 : ULTIMATE EDITION
Fallout 4 : Survivor Bundle
Fallout 4 : Prepared For The Future Bundle

These suck but are less generic than the GOTY Edition

Hey, That reminds me pic related at least called itself ULTIMATE EDITION

>>386908486

It suck at being a RPG, but it's still a lot of fun.
The only people who are super vocal about shitting on it are those who never played it and parrot what other mouth-assers have said about it
or those that went into it looking for it to be shit.

>>386908482
What do you guys not get? This shit exists because PEOPLE WILL BUY IT. As long as it's viable you'll see more and more re-releases, remakes, dlc, microtransactions etc

>>386908482
>without the addition of the Special Box
Literally garbage tier GOTY edition
The box was the best part of the day one collector's edition

>>386906307
Yes?
That's because W3 is a better game.

>>386908482

I distinctly remember it beating Witcher 3 for game of the year from some award show and me being irritated by it.

>>386908482
>>Didn't win shit
It did
>>Give the complete collection the "GOTY" title anyway
Actually a lot of games do this. It's basically like how "Director's Cut" movies rebranded themselves as "Unrated" cause its more marketable. All these GOTY versions are a physical version that includes all DLC.

>>386902915
so......what about people (like me) that wait on games like this and then buy the goty edition so they can get everything at once rather than waiting for piecemeal bullshit dlc?

>>386897301

I just want to know when a decent HDT vagina is finished.

There is already an impressive CBBE body in the game.

>>386909206
not him, but i do it too. the wait sucks tho

>>386909325
What's the point
Just use skyrim

>>386908789
I played it. It's awful. Todd even got $60 from me. I'm just thankful I didn't buy the season pass.

T. beat FO3 and NV 5 times each and owns all the DLC for both.

>>386908652
>Hey, That reminds me pic related at least called itself ULTIMATE EDITION
Because that didn't win any game of the years.

>>386909325
>CBBE
>not glorious UUNP
FO4 really is the inferior product.

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>>386909206
Who cares? You didn't buy it so it's meant for somebody like you, retards like him will complain for no reason because they believe everybody buys games on launch window like a bunch of suckers.

>>386909593

CBBE for FO4 is higher poly than the one for Skyrim though.

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Good morning, sir. I'm just stopping by to inspect your Fallout 4™ receipt.

>>386908789
>dude just turn your brain off :D
I hate you.

>>386909437

Getting tired of Skyrim. And many Nips and other Gooks seem to be jumping into Fallout its a slightly more flexible gamebryo.

>>386909593

This Fallout CBBE incorporates everything in UUNP either the western or Chinese one with puffy nipples.
Its actually pretty good.

>>386909670
Are you seriously this retarded or are you a shill? Do you honestly see nothing wrong with releasing almost the exact same product a year later for full price?

>>386909971
>its a slightly more flexible gamebryo
Nigga they locked down the backend even harder than Skyrim did. That's an outright flasehood.

>>386908902
TW3 literally does not excel at a single thing it does

>>386897301
More like Fail of the Year edition, am I right?

>>386897301

Literally no difference from buying FO4 and the season pass at release. Which I did and will never stop regretting.

>>386909593
>UUNP
>ever
No thanks. Not a fan of flat women with no hips.

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>>386897461
But Fallout 4 did win GOTY awards

>>386903801
>Because that doesn't stroke their egos hard enough
>egos

What. It's just a marketing strategy. Why do some people on /v/ think companies actually have an ego when it's all about money? Always has always will be.

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>>386910923
>not using bodyslide

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>>386897301
Already got the game for $15 and season pass for $20

Australian dollars too so it's a good deal for me.
Honestly though, none of it is worth it. Concrete building fills the settlement build limit too quickly, Automatron is about the quality you'd expect from a mod instead of an actual release and Nuka World looks so stupid and against what Fallout is about that I haven't even started it.

Only Far Harbour is worth it, and it's Shivering Isles quality.

>>386910012
>Are you seriously this retarded or are you a shill?

I could care less if it sold 0 copies you stupid nigger, It's for people who did not buy the game who might want the stupid DLC. I'm tire of hearing this shill derail because I'm not just copy pasting "Fuck Bethesda" every thread. Not everybody is a no-life faggot who follows every little game release, throwing away their unearned autism bucks for a disappointing game and then getting mad because it got announced that a complete version got released after their impulse buy.

I personally pirated the DLCs because I felt they didn't deserve a penny more after the crapfest that was Fallout 4 and think it's a retarded decision to make it full price but it was released to sucker in those who didn't buy it, Bethesda are jews like that and you just need to understand and live with the fact that this is how the video game industry works with games past their prime.

>YOU FUCKING SHILL
Whatever you want, fagola.

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>>386899679
>implying I've given Bethesda a cent in a decade's time

>>386897701
They should just call it Ultimate Edition or something. Ultimate sounds like the best anyway.

>>386910231
and Fallout 4 did?

>>386897301
>>386897461
>implying theres any game that is actually Game of The Year

I bet you only accept a GOTY when its a game you personally like.

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Remember when they raised the price of the season pass because they said the amount of content in the upcoming expansions were supposed to be huge?


Price hike for all of what, 3 expansion packs?

Wow Todd, great Season Pass there

>>386897301
The ´´lauging like a retard at any obvious new``really needs to be a meme?

>>386906307
The witcher 2 sucked donkey dick though. Two worlds 2 tier. Nothing in it made sense, doing simple shit was impossible

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I like all of Bethesda's games. They're all good games in there own way. Though I admit without the modding community, I wouldn't spend nearly as much time playing them.

Ever since playing oblivion, they've had me hooked. I need that Bethesda off the wall walking simulator rpg fix.

>>386897301
But Fallout 4 was GoTY.
Haters gonna hate I guess.

>>386909560
You're right, it's simply the ultimate Fallout experience.

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>>386915156
>The witcher 2 sucked donkey dick though. Two worlds 2 tier. Nothing in it made sense, doing simple shit was impossible
what does that have to do with the image

>>386897461
Same reasons every movie that has ever existed holds the title for "#1 Film of America". Game of the Year is subjective and because of that they can manipulate it for marketing and use it to hype their own game up.

>>386911878

Fuck you, alright? You don't have to be a jackass about every little thing I say. I was trying to make a point and you come in insulting me for literally no fucking reason other than it makes you feel better about your pathetic life. Who the hell cares about what you think about the GOTY edition of a fucking shit game? It's not important to my point and you calling me names serves no purpose other than to show how much of a dick you actually are. Go the fuck away, nobody wants you here.

>Pre-order for $59.99, before we up the price to $69.99, because we fell it will be worth that much.
The GOTY that had 1 acceptable DLC, 1 Shit DLC, a small quest pack, and 3 paid mods.

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>>386897461
>when the game hasn't won any GOTY awards?
Umm actually sweetie fallout 4 won both the BAFTA and DICE awards (two highly accredited institutions). Just because you only watch the Kids Choice Awards ribbon giveaway presented by the Doritos Pope doesn't mean that Fallout 4 wasn't recognised as the artistic masterpiece that it was

>>386897701
>both F3 and F4 get "GotY" editions
>NV is just a "Ultimate" edition.

>>386904969
How is that wrong, you fucking shit-eater? Gaming "journalism" is a joke, the entire concept of a GOTY title is retarded, since it's awarded by some literally who shitters with no credentials. This isn't an equivalent of an Academi award for example, it's literally some random dumbfucks saying: "We, a bunch of nobodies nobody gives two fucks about, like this game". This is no different than a bunch of regular players saying that the game is good, because these opinions carry equivalent weight. So no, your precious "critics" and gaming "journalists" are literally who retards with no credentials and their opinions are no more inherently valuable than the opinions of regular players, which is why FO4 is the real GOTY, since it has managed to capture the attention of a much bigger part of the RPG playerbase.

>>386904763
>FIFA is best game
In its genre? Of course, you are retarded to even suggest this is wrong.

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>>386904620
Not him, but remasters wasn't what you were talking about in your original post. There's a difference between remasters and goty / complete editions. Games being resold bundled with their expansions have been a thing for years. First with pc gaming, and then emerging for consoles at the tail end of the ps2/xbawks life span, i,e Silent Hill 2 Directors Cut, Fable TLC, and Jade Empire SE.

The goty bundles really became popular with the 360 though, with Bethesda kicking it off with Oblivion's GOTY edition.

>>386905709
Could me Deluxe or Directors Cut

>>386897301
I liked fallout 4. I had a lot of fun with it. Then again I pirated it along with the DLC.

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>>386904598
>Witcher 3
Who, you mean some trash that barely sold any copies compared to FO4

>>386904763
>it sold more so its better
>FIFA is best game by your retarded standards

>>386916772
>In its genre? Of course, you are retarded to even suggest this is wrong

>>386916772
>So no, your precious "critics" and gaming "journalists" are literally who retards with no credentials and their opinions are no more inherently valuable than the opinions of regular players, which is why FO4 is the real GOTY, since it has managed to capture the attention of a much bigger part of the RPG playerbase
>>386906307

Just quit arguing before you make yourself look more retarded

>>386903576
Reread his post, he's saying that a game should have DLC (or other post launch content) as well as being considered the GOTY by a consensus in order to be eligible for a GOTY rerelease. Otherwise they're either releasing the game with no new content or calling it the GOTY when it really wasn't.

>>386917547
>it sold more so its better
It absolutely is, you know why? Because the number of copies sold along with the number of concurrent player are literally the ONLY OBJECTIVE QUALITY CRITERIA that exist, literally. No other criteria is more important, because all of them are subjective by nature. Your individual opinion on the whether the game is good or bad is irrelevant, same as mine, opinions carry weight only when they start representing the majority of the playerbase's views and FO4 has captured the attention and acclaim of a much bigger chunk of the RPG playerbase. And yes, the "critics" and "journalists" are irrelevant mongoloids with no credentials, their opinions are just as valuable as the opinions of individual players, which means they are completely irrelevant and, since a GOTY award is nothing more than a bunch of these retards saying "we liek gaem X", these GOTY awards are meaningless as well.

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>>386909760
Here it is sir
You'll notice at the top it says Fitgirl Repack and the total amount paid is $0.
Will there be anything else?

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>>386899679
>fallout 4 was my first fallout
>skyrim was my first elder scrolls
>like them both

>>386897301
Reminder that this is just the base game with all patches and a season pass code in the box and that they won't fix any of this:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wpQNjo6Pa0-xy92r-BgmniGHKllsE__s-8eM9bilV7g/edit

for reference, this patch is basically just fixing the game to work the way it's supposed to, not even additions or improvements, this entire doc is JUST "shit that didn't work properly because bethesda sucks at programming so i fixed it"

none of this basic shit like pathing and properly flagged dialogue triggers will be fixed in a GOTY edition and i hope to god nobody is stupid enough to buy this game a second time

>>386918401
Toddot, pls

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>>386918451
>i hope to god nobody is stupid enough to buy this game a second time
oh anon

>>386904936
because Bethesda fucking HATES that Obsidian managed to slap together a better game in their restrictive timeframe, so Fallout 3&4 get self appointed GOTY editions while NV gets this.

>>386918690
I know, I know. The fact that modding still put it so high on Steam fills me with an awful fury

>>386908047
then why not give it a subtitle, like how DS3 had 'The Fire Fades Edition'

>>386918451
>and i hope to god nobody is stupid enough to buy this game a second tim

where do you think you are?

>>386918072
I don't think you realize what the argument even was
You claim its better because it sold more yet games like Destiny and FIFA out sold everything while also having more concurrent players. Would you consider those better games?
You then side step it and say w-well only in its genre

>opinions carry weight only when they start representing the majority of the playerbase's views and FO4 has captured the attention and acclaim of a much bigger chunk of the RPG playerbase
>And yes, the "critics" and "journalists" are irrelevant mongoloids with no credentials, their opinions are just as valuable as the opinions of individual players, which means they are completely irrelevant

You realize the image >>386906307 disproves that as well
Only 78% of the people who played and reviewed FO4 gave it a thumbs up against 97% for W3 despite it having more reviews
Also if nobodies opinion matters then how does a game become GOTY

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE F, U and N.

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>>386918767
>The fact that modding still put it so high on Steam
>i-it's only the modding, I s-swear!
Kek, you niggers will jump through any number of loops and partake in any kind of mental gymnastics just to avoid admitting that FO4 is an amazing game. Pathetic, really.

>>386919216
It is literally the modding you fucking faggot don't even start with me nigger

the game was fucking garbage

>>386919305
Witcher 3 also has modding, doesn't change the fact that more people would rather keep playing Fallout 4.

>>386919521
>Witcher 3 also has modding
what in the actual literal unironic fuck are you smoking

>>386919603
Ever heard of this thing called google you dumb shit? Here, I'll spoonfeed your stupid ass.

http://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/?

>>386919603
stop arguing with the mentally ill

>>386918983
>yet games like Destiny and FIFA out sold everything while also having more concurrent players. Would you consider those better games?
No, because you're supposed to compare games within their own genre. FO4 is a singleplayer RPG, FIFA is a sports game, Destiny is a multiplayer focused game, you cannot compare these games directly, because they cater to different playerbases. Only when 2 games cater to the same playerbase can a comparison, based on the views of the majority of the said playerbase, can be made.

>78% of the people who played and reviewed FO4 gave it a thumbs up against 97% for W3
The point here is that W3 was bought and reviewed by a drastically smaller number of people in the first place and Steam ratings are not a very reliable indicator of playerbase satisfaction, because many people use their Steam review to lash out against a company's DLC policy even though they may still like the game. Besides, you're also ignoring the concurrent player aspect. If FO4 was as bad as you say, people would have dropped it, but they didn't and FO4 has drastically more concurrent players than W3. Why? Because people actually like playing the fucking game and that's THE most important quality criterion there is or can be. People may buy the game based on pre-release amrketing hype, so the number of copies sold alone is not a good indicator of quality, but combined with the number of concurrent players, it's pretty accurate in estimating what people like more.

The fact is: FO4 has managed to capture AND keep the attention of the absolute majority of the RPG playerbase, while the Withcer 3 didn't. Everything else is subjective.

>>386897301

Fucking Nuka World, what a joke.

>gigantic ugly map with literally fuck-all in it
>actual play areas are tiny, cramped segments -some of which are smaller than regular dungeons in the Commonwealth/Far Harbor
>the three "gangs" are all terrible and there's no real reason to want to back any of them let alone keep them alive
>in fact, the entire "raider boss" angle is incredibly retarded and contrived, with even more "you're the boss but not really" horseshit that Preston fucking Garvey
>the raider outpost system is not only a pain in the ass, but provides no real benefit other than a shitty tribute chest so there isn't any reason to choose that over an actual settlement
>oh, and if you have any settlement mods at all there's about an 80-90% chance that the raider quests will break so even if you wanted to do that shit you're fucked

But at least there's fifty different new flavors of Nuka Cola, am I right?

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>>386919836
Witcher3 66 pages
Fallout 4 635 pages
yeah its almost like most of the mods are just waifus for the anime fags

>>386920048
Not him, but have you seen those Witcher 3 mods? They're the same waifushit aimed at giving Triss or Yenn bigger tits. It's hilarious how mongoloids dismiss modding as when it comes to estimating the quality of the game. People don't start modding a game en-masse just because it's popular, Bethesda has put a lot of effort into creating easy to use modding tools while CDPR didn't, Bethesda's modding tools are part of the game itself and are the reason why the game is much better.

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>>386919973
>No, because you're supposed to compare games within their own genre
Since when does each genre get a GOTY award dedicated to it?

Witcher 3 offers a complete experience including DLC while Fallout 4 offered an incomplete one with cash grab DLC
Why wouldn't they give it negative reviews
It's like when you finish watching a movie. You usually don't watch it again the next day. You pick it back up and watch again at a later date. Could be months or years.
They took out a major part of the RPG (pic related) yet people claim it's a better RPG

I can't believe there are this many shills for Bethesda after all the shit they just pulled recently
When you all have to pay for your mods your player base will drop dramatically

>>386921134
>Witcher 3 offers a complete experience including DLC while Fallout 4 offered an incomplete one with cash grab DLC
Nice contrarian opinion. You are entitled to it, of course, but don't pretend it actually matters, because the majority of the playerbase disagrees with you, as indicated by concurrent player numbers. People belonging to the RPG playerbase would rather play FO4 than Wticher 3, deal with it.

>>386921335
I see you dodged the other points I made as in why Witcher 3 won GOTY

>Nice contrarian opinion
>contrarian
I don't think you understand the meaning of that word

>>386922705
>I see you dodged the other points
What "points", lol? Your subjective opinion is irrelevant to me, your "points" are not based on any sort of facts. This whole paragraph is your contrarian opinion that is completely and utterly irrelevant:
>Witcher 3 offers a complete experience including DLC while Fallout 4 offered an incomplete one with cash grab DLC
Why wouldn't they give it negative reviews It's like when you finish watching a movie. You usually don't watch it again the next day. You pick it back up and watch again at a later date. Could be months or years. They took out a major part of the RPG (pic related) yet people claim it's a better RPG

And if you meant the GOTY award itself, then I have already stated: the people administering these awards are nobodies, they have literally zero credentials or authority to decide anything, their opinions are as important as the opinions of regular players and therefore don't matter, as they represent an insignificant fraction of the playerbase. Morever, they compare games outside of their genres, which makes the concept of "GOTY" even more meaningless.

Again, here is an actual, inarguable fact: the RPG playerbase prefers to play FO4 over Witcher 3 and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that.

>>386916087
>highly accredited
Oh I am laughing

>>386902518
>Sneed's

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>>386923218
>This whole paragraph is your contrarian opinion
You do realize that to be a contrarian is to dislike something that is popular yet I'm arguing Witcher 3 deserved GOTY which happens to be a popular opinion regardless of how many people still play it. Which was started all the way back here >>386897738

>the game I like didn't win the biggest GOTY award
>the game I like has more concurrent players than the one it lost to
Why did your caretaker allow you on the internet again?

>>386899679
you forgot the part where the previous game is now considered the superior one

>>386924085
>Witcher 3 deserved GOTY which happens to be a popular opinion
Why would you think so? Again, the several irrelevant mongoloids administering the GOTY awards are as irrelevant as the award itself. They are an insignificant fraction of the playerbase and unless you can prove that the majority of the RPG playerbase thinks that W3 should have really been GOTY, you have no argument. However, since the majority of the RPG playerbase prefers to play FO4 over W3, I doubt they actually think that W3 should have been GOTY.

>>386919216
>4 is only high up on the Steam leaderboards because of mods

>well here's a screenshot of the leaderboards
>this somehow proves you wrong

Are you fucking retarded dude?

>>386924702
>4 is only high up on the Steam leaderboards because of mods
Simply saying something doesn't make it true. And Witcher 3 has mods as well.

>>386924802
Sure, but I still don't understand what the screenshot was supposed to prove, and the two games have vastly different degrees of mod support ontop of F4 having the base of many Skyrim modders moving over to it simply because it was the next Bethesda game.

>>386915156

Witcher 2 is better than 3 and is one of the best story-heavy RPG's ever.

Some of the best art design in any game, some of the best writing in any game, one of the best stories in any game.

so, when they mean "update" they mean just package the game and dlcs altogether and sell it without even bothering to fix a single thing right?

Bethesda are doing something the consumers want, what's wrong with that?
Just because you are pirates that come up with excuses it doesn't mean the rest of the world does the same.

>>386925008
>I still don't understand what the screenshot was supposed to prove
It proves that the RPG playerbase prefers playing FO4 to Witcher 3, that's it.

>and the two games have vastly different degrees of mod support
Yes, because Bethesda actually put the effort into making their modding tools accessible and easy to use. Modding tools are a feature of Bethesda's games and contribute to the quality of their games, you cannot simply dismiss modding tools from the equation simply because CDPR are too lazy or incompetent to do the same.

>F4 having the base of many Skyrim modders moving over
Yes, because, again, Bethesda actually put the effort into making their modding tools accessible and easy to use, especially to those who have used their tools from previous games. How is this bad? Why should this be dismissed? Simply because you don't like it? LMAO.

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>>386897301
Yeah but does it add any new content or is it just Main game + all DLCs? Any updates to the main game?

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>>386897301
I bought the game plus season pass on sale for $40. I've enjoyed it, it's no fallout 3 but it's alright. Looks pretty good when modded. DLC adds decent content. LOVED the brotherhood in this one. They're always my go-to faction and they seemed so much more like a real army in this one than in previous games. Weapon and armor mods were... alright I guess. No weapon on back when you put your weapon away really bugs me. Bloodbugs are shitty and shouldn't have as much health as they do. Definitely wouldn't pay full price but I'm content with my purchase.

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Bethesda is hollyweird cancer owned by a horribly corrupt and morally bankrupt Vivendi which has ruined multiple good studios and buried successful franchises with horrible business ideas. Contributing to them fiscally should be considered an act of stupidity on a factual level. You should not be buying the same game over and over again that gradually, over time, strips features in replace for half-baked broken ones. You should not contribute to their DLC model. You should not contribute a penny to these hack-frauds.

>>386901916
Wrong, and Witcher 3 actually won GOTY on many receptions

>>386925479
cmon bruh, it's bethesda
you and i know both know the answer

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>>386906307
Use of Drugs is also in W3, isn't it?

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>Rooty tooty shoot-n-looty pipe weapon funtime 4: GOTY edition
What would we ever do without you Todd?

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>>386924687
>Why would you think so?
Higher ratings from all forms of media covering game than all other games that year. Everybody playing/played it praised it by word of mouth.
It didn't divide the playerbase as whether it was good or bad compared to the previous games.

>several irrelevant mongoloids administering the GOTY awards are as irrelevant as the award itself
So what you're saying is that the shitty GOTY awards Fallout 4 won aren't worth anything?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Game_of_the_Year_awards
check off how many times W3 wins 2015 against FO4
W3 won the GDC GOTY. The people who make games say W3 was more deserving than FO4. Are their opinions meaningless as well?
Amount of players means nothing. Also assuming they prefer one over the other is quite a large assumption considering they might not even own both games.
The amount of players in 2017 for games that came out in 2015 are irrelevant to why it deserves GOTY for the year it released.

>unless you can prove that the majority of the RPG playerbase thinks that W3 should have really been GOTY
>anyone that doesn't normally play RPGs opinions are irrelevant
How many opinions are you going to say are irrelevant? Until FO4 has more GOTY awards?
You are literally grasping at the smallest of straws

>>386925425
>
It proves that the RPG playerbase prefers playing FO4 to Witcher 3, that's it.
or it proves that there are more modders than rpg players

>>386919216
>Battlegrounds is fucking 2
>H1Z1 is even there, let alone 4
>Terraria is beating out FO4
>7 Days to Die is even there
>No Man's Sky right above Witcher 3
>Skyrim combined is doing better than FO4

This shit is bananas.

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>>386897806
LOL they serious did? Aren't these the cunts that raised the standard season pass price because they were going to make so much content?!

>>386899276
>they have been selling that season pass at full price since release

didnt they actually raise the price from $30 to $50

>>386897301
>GOTY already
That's all they had to show?
That's it?

>>386925848
>Higher ratings from all forms of media
Irrelevant, I have already explained why. None of the gaming "journalists" or "critics" have any sort of credentials that would elevate their opinions above those of the average player and, since the gaming "journalists" and "critics" constitute an insignificant part of the RPG playerbase, their opinions are irrelevant.

>Everybody playing/played it praised it by word of mouth.
Irrelevant, as the number of people playing W3 is drastically lower than the number of people playing FO4. W3 has less than half the concurrent players of FO4 on Steam and, unless you can provide the GoG concurrent player numbers, the combination of FO4 Steam rating and concurrent player numbers means that FO4 is objectively the superior game.

>So what you're saying is that the shitty GOTY awards Fallout 4 won aren't worth anything?
Of course not. GOTY awards are meaningless for two reasons I have already stated: comparison of the games outside of the genre and lack of any sort of credentials or authority on the side of those administering the rewards.

>Are their opinions meaningless as well?
Of course, as they constitute an insignificant part of the playerbase. People making games don't magically know more about the genre than the players, they just know how to make games through coding, artwork and so on.

>Amount of players means nothing.
On the contrary, it means absolutely everything when comparing games within a genre. It inarguably proves that the playerbase of a certain genre prefers to play one game over another, which is literally the definition of quality.

>they might not even own both games.
Yes, because one game appeals to them more than the other.

>The amount of players in 2017 for games that came out in 2015 are irrelevant
LMAO, are you saying W3 had more players than FO4 in 2015? Care to prove that claim? Or maybe you're not aware of the fact that FO4 also came out in 2015?

>>386925848
>anyone that doesn't normally play RPGs opinions are irrelevant
What does this even mean? People who play RPGs constitute the RPG playerbase, including those doing the GOTY awards, as their opinions weigh no more than those of regular players. Prove that the majority of the RPG playerbase considers W3 GOTY over FO4 or you have no argument.

>>386926080
>or it proves that there are more modders than rpg players
You have yet to actually prove people play FO4 for the mods first and foremost. Not state your irrelevant opinion, but actually prove.

Fallout 4 was a shit game
Quote me on that

>>386926637
>concurrent player numbers means that FO4 is objectively the superior game.
Football manager 2k17 the 13th most played game on steam right now and is beating both the Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 in playerbase.
Now you tell me Football manager 2k17 isn't the 13th best game of all time.
Shitty reddit brainlet logic.

>>386897806
Because no one is playing Fallout 4 because the game is fucking boring trash.

>>386926970
"Fallout 4 was a shit game" - Anonymous, 2017

>>386927097
>Football manager 2k17 the 13th most played game on steam right now
Stop grasping at straws. You compare the games within a genre, otherwise the comparison makes no sense. Footbal manage is not a RPG.

>>386926970
quoted

>>386927183
Jake Paul was the number one seller on itunes for a short while does that make him for that period of the time the best artist in the world?
Shitty. Reddit. Brainlet. Logic.

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>unironically shilling for the fucking disaster that is fallout 4

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>>386926637
>RPG playerbase
>can only play W3 or FO4
Meanwhile Path of Exile is higher than both on steam
It's almost like people don't only play the same game. Concurrent players means shit because people that preferred one or another could be playing other games.

Who is this RPG playerbase? You seem to know so much about their preferences yet can't see the fact that the "RPG playerbase" is playing PoE.
>People who play RPGs constitute the RPG playerbase

So the reviewers and consumers who played both of them gave their vote to either W3/FO4 for GOTY. These people fall under your view of the "RPG playerbase".
Yet you say their opinion is irrelevant?
You just dismantled your own argument.
inb4 only people who play only RPGs religiously and suck Todd's dick are "RPG playerbase"

>>386927337
>comparing art outside of its type or genre
>comparing things such as paintings, music and film directly and deciding which one is "better"
I mean, I know Witcherfags have one chromosome too many, but this is just a whole new level of retardation, well done.

>>386927507
Explain to me how it is any different.
X genre
Y and Z products competing in X genre
Is this level of abstraction too fucking difficult for you to understand you utter fucking idiot?

>>386927438
>Path of Exile is higher than both on steam
Not a singleplayer RPG, keep grasping at those straws, you have no argument.

>Who is this RPG playerbase?
Everyone who plays RPGs, literally everyone.

>These people fall under your view of the "RPG playerbase".
Yes, an insignificant fraction of the playerbase.

>Yet you say their opinion is irrelevant?
Of course, because their opinions have no more weight than the opinion of the average player, whose personal subjective opinion is irrelevant.

>>386899679
hey I only bought doom 4 and I'm happy with it

my fiancee did get me fallout 4 though. still haven't opened it as I'm debating selling it. should I just play it? eh.

>>386927649
>X genre
>since he's a popular musician this means means he's also a popular move director
This is literally your "argument", you are retarded. Seek help.

>>386927695
sell it

>if more people played my game, even though I invested millions of more dollars marketing my game than this other guy's game, then that means my game is better!
This is this faggot's logic and it's actually embarrassing to read.

>>386927743
>move director
Also what are you talking about?
When did I ever say or make the suggestion that Jake Paul is a popular movie director?

>>386897301
>kill all the Raiders in Nuka-World
>it doesn't become a settlement or even replace the raiders with NPCs to live there
Disappointing

>>386927802
>if more people played my game, even though I invested millions of more dollars marketing my game than this other guy's game, then that means my game is better!
It does. You know why? The number of copies sold can be inflated by marketing, but the number of concurrent players can not. If a game is shit, people will drop it.

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>>386897301
What are you laughing at, Anon? Didn't you know that Fallout 4 was Game of the Year (GOTY) in 2015?

>>386927870
>When did I ever say or make the suggestion that Jake Paul is a popular movie director?
>Jake Paul was the number one seller on itunes for a short while does that make him for that period of the time the best artist in the world?
>best artist in the world?
Or is film not anymore, hmm? You are literally so retarded, you don't even understand what you're saying yourself.

>>386927879
No it doesn't.
If both games have a 1% retainment rate in playerbase after two years the game that sold more overall copies will have a larger concurrent playerbase two years later despite people being just as interested in playing either game.

>>386927964
>Or is film not anymore, hmm?
*Or is film not art anymore?

>>386897301
Wait what is the difference between the game that is out right now and this game of the year version?

>>386927964
???????
Are you saying you don't understand the word artist?
Music artist??????????
Am I getting trolled?

>>386916087
So why do they throw away their credibility by giving FallOut 4 a GOTY award?

>>386927981
>If both games have a 1% retainment rate
LMAO, why should both games have the same player RETENTION rate? A shit game and a good game will have different player retention rates. You're not making any sense.

>>386899679
Now I'm gettin' all nostalgic remembering those /v/ threads predicting how downgraded Skyrim will be, then all the threads after its release tallying up got the most predictions right.

>>386928031

Game of the year inlcudes every DLC

>>386928041
>Music artist
Nowehre to be found in your original post. You have literally said that being the most popular musician in the world makes the person the best artist, which, in turn, implies that he, by your retarded definition, is "better" than a film maker.

Again, you are retarded, just stop posting.

>>386928104
This is actually sad I have to explain this shit.

If, theoretically, both games were equally good, and people were just as interested in playing both, then Witcher 3 would still have a lower concurrent playerbase than Fallout 4 because the millions of dollars more marketing Fallout 4 got meant it sold more copies than Witcher 3.
Which means that your argument that Fallout 4 must be a better game because has more concurrent players is retarded.

>>386928224
Okay I'm getting baited goodbye
Nice job acting like a retard I guess

To this day I struggle to understand what was going through Bethesda's collective heads during the entire development process for Fallout 4. Literally everything about the game is wrong.

>>386928225
>If, theoretically, both games were equally good, and people were just as interested in playing both, then Witcher 3 would still have a lower concurrent playerbase than Fallout 4 because the millions of dollars more marketing Fallout 4 got meant it sold more copies than Witcher 3.
>Witcher 3 would still have a lower concurrent playerbase
Again, that's nonsense. Witcher 3 would have a better retention rate, perhaps, because less people would have quit playing the game due to buying it solely due to the marketing hype in the first place, but the absolute number of concurrent players would be based solely on the number of people who actually find the game fun and want to keep playing it.

You lack even the most basic of logic faculties, friendo.

>>386928269
Don't worry, I never thought you be able to provide an actual argument anyway.

>>386928415
You are impressively stupid.

>Tfw I enjoyed Fallout 4 and no opinion on /v/ will change that

>>386928415
>"if both games were equally good and people like playing both of them equally"
>well what if people actually liked playing witcher 3 more than fallout 4 xDDD I countered your argument xDDD

>>386903441
the secret is that it never meant anything and was just an excuse to resell the game with all the dlc bundled together

>>386928508
You can enjoy just about anything, that doesn't necessarily make it good.

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>>386927683
>Path of Exile is higher than both on steam
>Not a singleplayer RPG
So we changing it from "RPG playerbase" to "single player RPG playerbase"
Keep moving those goalposts

>Who is this RPG playerbase?
>Everyone who plays RPGs, literally everyone.
Every single person who voted for GOTY falls under your view of the "RPG playerbase".
>Yes, an insignificant fraction of the playerbase.
Literally everyone that's played an RPG is part of that playerbase yet its "insignificant fraction"

>Yet you say their opinion is irrelevant?
>Of course, because their opinions have no more weight than the opinion of the average player, whose personal subjective opinion is irrelevant.
The average player is part of the vote/committee that decides GOTY going by your own logic.
So the "RPG playerbase" voted for W3 to win GOTY. But since their opinion's dont matter that means their preference also doesn't matter because they like one over the other. So having a larger concurrent playerbase means nothing.

They way you argue it seems like you haven't finished high school because shit like this is on the SAT.
>everyone is RPG playerbase
>people who vote/committee decide GOTY fall under everyone
>they give GOTY to W3
You claim their decisions don't matter

>everyone is RPG playerbase
>people who play FO4 fall under everyone
>their opinion does matter?
How can one person be so stupid

Are trying to become the next XV-kun here?

>>386928628
It might not have been good overall but it was decent at the least

>>386928749
It's a AAA game with a huge budget. There's a certain minimum quality to any such production.

>>386897461
literally marketing

>>386928473
Not an argument.

>>386928521
>if both games were equally good and people like playing both of them equally
Then the player retention rate is irrelevant, because if both games are liked equally, they will have equal concurrent player count. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

>>386928680
The fact that you seriously think a diablo clone, focused on multiplayer due to the trading component being a tremendously important part of the game, and a purely singleplayer RPG can be compared directly tells me all I need to know about your intellect, or the lack of it, to be more precise.

>Every single person who voted for GOTY falls under your view of the "RPG playerbase".
Of course.

>Literally everyone that's played an RPG is part of that playerbase yet its "insignificant fraction"
Of course, because individual subjective opinions don't matter and the number of people who "voted for GOTY" constitute an insignificant part of the playerbase. You're running out of straws to grasp here.

>The average player is part of the vote/committee that decides GOTY going by your own logic.
Of course.

>So the "RPG playerbase" voted for W3 to win GOTY.
An insignificant part of it did, yes, doesn't mean their opinion matters compared to the general consensus of the entire playerbase and that consensus is that FO4 is the superior game due to its superior concurrent player numbers, since it has managed to draw a larger part of the RPG playerbase.

Again, you lack even the most basic of logical thinking, I don't even want to insult you at this point.

>>386929047
>Then the player retention rate is irrelevant, because if both games are liked equally, they will have equal concurrent player count
They won't because they sold different amounts AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA stop acting stupid on purpose!

>>386929047
Forgot to mention: all of the comparisons need to be made within the genre. When I say "GOTY", I mean RPGOTY, because the entire concept of "GOTY" is retarded, which is something I have already explained multiple times.

>>386929146
>They won't because they sold different amounts
The amount of copies sold is irrelevant, if the sales numbers can be skewed by marketing, but you have to actually prove that first. What matters in such a hypothetical case is the concurrent player count alone, as it alone indicates the number of people who actually find the game fun and want to keep playing it. Those who have fallen for the marketing will quit the game and will skew the player retention rate, so the retention rate stops being an indicator as well in this case. How is this hard to understand?

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>>386929396
You have to learn when to give up a lost argument dude.
>The amount of copies sold is irrelevant
No it isn't. A game's active players can only be based on the copies it sold. If games have an equal retention rate they will have different number of concurrent players based on the sales they have had over a life time and their release dates, which in the case are in the same year, Witcher 3 having been released before. Does that make sense to you? I've said it several times. It's simple fucking mathematics.
Even if the games are equally fun, and have the same retention rate, Fallout 4 would still have more players. Does that make fucking sense to you? If Fallout 4 theoretically sold a one millionth of the copies it sold it would not beat out Witcher 3 even if you think the game is more fun. Do you see that line of reasoning?

>if the sales numbers can be skewed by marketing, but you have to actually prove that first.
Yeah it's a pretty well fucking known fact marketing influences sales. Anyway that fact is actually irrelevant the only thing that matters is that Fallout 4 sold more copies initially.

>>386929560
I should replay fallout tactics.

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>>386929047
You literally said that anybody who has played one RPG game is the "RPG playerbase"
It doesn't matter when or what
>"insignificant fraction"
>FO4 sold more
>more people played that game
>the "insignificant fraction" would benefit FO4
>still loses

>>386929228
>all of the comparisons need to be made within the genre
>When I say "GOTY", I mean RPGOTY, because the entire concept of "GOTY" is retarded
>GOTY is retarded
>but RPGOTY matters
Yet arguing why W3 doesn't deserve it
So that makes it even more impressive if an RPG with less copies sold beats not only those within its genre but all those outside of it

>>386929396
>the only number that matters is the concurrent players because is benefits my argument regardless of other facts

Seriously stop everyone will think you look like pic related

>>386901585
Think of the plummet of quality fron 1 to 2 and its like that from 3 to 4. Yeah.

>>386929858
>A game's active players can only be based on the copies it sold.
A game's active players are based on the number of players who actually find the game fun and want to keep playing it. We're not talking about peak player number here, we're talking about concurrent player numbers after the game has been out for a while, which is exactly the comparison that was done between W3 and FO4 in this thread. It is irrelevant how many copies the game sold, because when the concurrent player numbers stabilize (again, we're not talking about peak numbers), only those who actually find the game fun and want to keep playing will remain. Those who bought the game on false pretenses due to marketing and did not find it fun, because it was not the game they expected, will quit it and this will be reflected in the player retention rate.

>Even if the games are equally fun, and have the same retention rate, Fallout 4 would still have more players.
Retention rate does not reflect the quality of the game because players can be lured into buying the game they won't ultimately like via marketing, you are retarded for even suggesting this.

Again, your straws are getting more pathetic with each post. You have no argument, time to admit it.

>Yeah it's a pretty well fucking known fact marketing influences sales.
Nonono, you have to prove that the marketing for FO4 was more effective into luring more players, who are not interested in the genre, into buying the game, compared to the marketing for W3.

>>386929560
>kino
I hate sekret club lingo.

People who think Fallout 4 is a better game than Fallout 3 are severely misguided

>>386930269
It's way worse than that. Fallout 2 is worse mainly because of a focus on quantity over quality. The core mechanics and roleplaying is still just as good - you just have to wade through lots of garbage while Fallout 1 had very little garbage.

>>386929995
>You literally said that anybody who has played one RPG game is the "RPG playerbase"
Precisely. The rest of your post is just nonsense.

Again, I ask you to prove in a simple and objective manner that the majority of the RPG playerbase thinks that W3 should have been awarded the RPGOTY title in year 2015 or you simply have no argument.

>>386919979
Don't forget that the Enclave power armor now somehow canonically existed before the war. Another fantastic lore addition from Bethesda.

>>386904936
didn't put GOAT*

ftfy

>>386930426
No, central mechanics were broken and the entire ingame universe was cheapened with pop culture memes obnoxiously spammed, time travel and talking rats who love cheesy poofs lol! There hasnt been a great fallout since 1.

>>386930556
At least use the examples players will actually discover on their first playthrough, like the talking plant that offers to teach you chess moves that will allow you to beat a scorpion at chess if you only help move the plant to another garden.

>>386930325
>A game's active players are based on the number of players who actually find the game fun and want to keep playing it.
Mathematically okay, a game's active playerbase is based on the retention rate for a given set of copies at a period in time for all sets of copies it sold.
A few rules here:
1) More people can not play the game than bought the game
2) Games that have equal retention rates at all points in time will have different numbers of active players based the total copies they sold
This means that
- Even if Witcher 3 has equal retention rates for sets of copies it sold to Fallout 4, it would have a lower active playerbase
Essentially meaning
- If Witcher 3 is as fun as Fallout 4 is, it will still have a lower concurrent playerbase than Fallout 4

You're trying to argue this on emotion and "if a game is fun more people will play it!" and I'm very simply trying to explain to you that concurrent playerbase is not like some sort of linear function with fun. Other variables go into it, including copies sold.
Therefore it is retarded to make your argument that Fallout 4 is a funner game because more people are playing it.
Hopefully you see the light now.

>>386930695
>>386930556
But wait, which mechanics were broken?

>>386897738
But Witcher 3 sucked... meme it up all you want but it's objectively bad.. unless you're a fucking 14 yo that masturbates to his le epic raspy voice badass rated mature for mature people like me hero with a tumblr tier writing around him.

>>386930732
> for sets of copies it sold to Fallout 4, it would have a lower active playerbase
For all sets of copies it sold compared to Fallout 4, it would still have a lower active playerbase

>>386930695
King raat and brian are first playthrough. The game was bad from the get go with the temple of trials. I just want a 3D remake of fallout 1.

>>386930818
I don't have a problem with Keeng Rat. He's actually pretty creepy. He's a molerat that has mutated just enough that he can speak in broken English but is still hostile. That's actually spooky. But the psychic rat with the cult is retarded, yeah.

>>386930738
Certain skills were totally useless, miss/hit ratios totally off, some builds unwinnable, too easy to stumble to san fran first playthrough and get gamebreaking power armour.

Okay I think I can make this crystal clear
If Witcher 3 were actually Fallout 4, meaning that they were functionally the same game in every way, except counted separately, then Witcher 3 (Fallout 4) would have less active players than Fallout 4 (other Fallout 4) because it sold less initial copies, even though they are the same fucking game.

>>386897301
APOLOGIZE

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>>386906307
>Dem tags
>Fallout 4
>RPG

>>386930957
???????????

>>386903587
no everybody got an award exept homer then he goes to space

anyone who likes bethesshit games is 100% reddit, neogaf, tumblr, whatever. you're a newfag and you don't belong here with your shit taste and objectively wrong opinions. fo4 is one of the worst games i've ever played. it makes skyrim looks less like shit. how is such a thing possible?

>>386897301
Oh groovy, so it's all going to be bundled together? I can't wait to pirate it once it goes on sale.

>>386930916
>Certain skills were totally useless
They were useless in Fallout 1 as well. Half the skills in classic Fallouts are useless.
>miss/hit ratios totally off
Was it really any different than in Fallout 1?
>some builds unwinnable
Not really. You can get to the Enclave base with minimal fighting and if you get the turrets and the Enclave squad on your side they can handle Horrigan for you.
>too easy to stumble to san fran first playthrough and get gamebreaking power armour.
It's arguably a lot easier to get power armour in Fallout 1. All you have to do is visit the Glow with rope and a rad x or two, and then go to the Brotherhood base.

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>>386897301
You guys made fun of me ever since my masterpiece's release.
Well who's laughing now, nerds?

>>386930732
>a game's active playerbase is based on the retention rate
Dear Lord, you are fucking retarded, please stop. Retention rate is the result of the active playerbase stabilizing and is calculated by comparing the active playerbase at the moment with the number of copies sold or, more precisely, the number of people who have played the game at least once. The active playerbase is not based on retention in any way, BECAUSE PLAYER RETENTION IS CALCULATED FROM THE ACTIVE PLAYERBASE, fuck.

What are you even trying to argue with your posts? Player retention rate is not an indicator of quality unless both games have been marketed with the same exact effectiveness, as the marketing efficiency influences retention numbers. The whole argument is about objective means of evaluating the quality of a game and, as I have already explained, only the concurrent player count (the stable one after the game is out for a while, not the peak one which happens mostly at launch) matters in cases where different games have different levels of marketing.

>>386930994
I'm responding to this guy
>>386930325
Who's making the argument that because Fallout 4 has more active players, it's a better game. I'm trying to explain there that even if Witcher 3 was the same game as Fallout 4, Fallout 4 (real fallout 4) would still have more active players than Witcher 3 (also Fallout 4).

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>>386931065
>todd posting

>>386931085
>Dear Lord, you are fucking retarded, please stop.
The absolute irony

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>>386931113
HELLO Redd*T!

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>>386930325
That's not me you retard you attracted more people who want to beat up an idiot who has no argument since its been broken not only by myself but yourself

>>386930443
>Again, I ask you to prove in a simple and objective manner that the majority of the RPG playerbase thinks that W3 should have been awarded the RPGOTY title in year 2015 or you simply have no argument.
You sure ask others to prove their point a lot but have yet to do so yourself
You can check any of these to see that using your own logic that the playerbase voted for W3:
>>386928680
>>386927438
To which you replied
>So the "RPG playerbase" voted for W3 to win GOTY.
>An insignificant part of it did, yes
Of course its going to be small because there are other games for people to vote for. Yet it got more than FO4.

Show me your numbers
>>386931152
Confirmed autistic troll

>>386931085
>What are you even trying to argue with your posts? Player retention rate is not an indicator of quality unless both games have been marketed with the same exact effectiveness,
The argument is that, if the games are equally fun to play, equally fun to replay, etc., basically if the games provide the same user experience (or are for example the same exact game), then their current playerbases will differ based off of the copies they sold.
So even if Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 are just as good, or the same game, they will have different active playerbases, which is what your entire argument is based off of.
This should could not get any clearer.

>>386931336
>Confirmed autistic troll
Why would you call me that

>>386931336
>That's not me you retard
We're both arguing with him and in that case he's responding solely to my points

>>386897301
fucking finally
now I can pirate the whole thing without bothering with patching DLC

>>386930325
>Nonono, you have to prove that the marketing for FO4 was more effective into luring more players, who are not interested in the genre, into buying the game, compared to the marketing for W3
No I don't dude I've already tried to explain this shit.
The reason I don't is because we're assuming theoretically in all my arguments that the games provide the same user experience, are equally fun, etc. and have the same retention rate.

You're still trying to act like these games in my arguments have different retention rates. You're going for something totally different than what I'm arguing and is quite frankly off topic.

>>386931424
>then their current playerbases will differ based off of the copies they sold.
If the games are truly equally fun to play and both games had enough marketing so that the RPG playerbase has enough knowledge of their existence, they won't, because all of the people who do not like the game will have quit by the time concurrent player numbers stabilize and this will be reflected in the player retention rate. If anything, the player retention rate shows the effectiveness of the marketing campaign, not the quality of the game.

>>386931336
So no actual proof that the majority of the RPG playerbase thinks that the RPGOTY title of 2015 should have been awarded to W3? OK, I didn't expect anything else anyway. Meanwhile, the fact stated in the beginning of the argument is still there: the RPG playerbase prefers playing FO4 to W3, which is indicated by vastly superior concurrent player numbers. Truth hurts, but you will just have to deal with it.

>>386931804
Fallout 4 is not an RPG. It's an empty platform designed for the player to turn it into an erotic hardcore survival shooter where you get raped and impregnated when you lose a fight.

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>>386931723
The fuck you just say?

>>386931804
> If anything, the player retention rate shows the effectiveness of the marketing campaign, not the quality of the game.
This is so retarded.
Literally what?
It's not really retention rate as a whole but retention rate for a given set of copies for at a certain period of time. Maybe that's confusing you I tried to make it clear that's what I meant earlier
>>386930732 here. What that means is that I'm not talking about its ability to retain a playerbase but how many people stop playing the game after having played it for a period of time, meaning that this is independent from marketing or changes in active playerbase.

>If the games are truly equally fun to play and both games had enough marketing so that the RPG playerbase has enough knowledge of their existence, they won't,
They literally mathematically will okay.
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>386932019
it's okay todd I'll buy 2 copies

>>386931789
>The reason I don't is because we're assuming theoretically in all my arguments that the games provide the same user experience, are equally fun, etc. and have the same retention rate.
OK, so you're assuming that both games have equally effective marketing, right? This means that the RPG playerbase is equally aware of the existence of both games and their actual strengths/weaknesses, features and so on. This also means that an equal number of people will be dumped into buying the games due to marketing hype and will drop the game by the time the concurrent player count stabilizes. Is this what you mean?

If so, then both games will sell strictly based on how they appeal to the RPG playerbase (because the number of duped people is equal due to equal marketing efficiency). Now, if the games are truly equally fun, i.e. if they both have features that equally appeal to the RPG playerbase, they will sell an equal number of copies and in this case the player retention rate will be equal as well as the stable number of concurrent players some time after launch.

Yes, in this impossible case the retention rates are equal, but they still cannot be considered an objective indicator of quality, as the STILL depend on the marketing efficiency (it's just that the marketing efficiency is the same in our hypothetical case). In the end, the only thing that really shows the quality of the game is the concurrent player count, i.e. the number of people who find the game fun and keep playing.

>>386898959
They won a film academy award?

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>>386932093
Hello fellow anonymous poster. I just wanted to add that you and I think alike! I was just about to announce to everyone here my desire to buy 2 copies myself! This is truly a glorious day for gaming!

>>386932162
>OK, so you're assuming that both games have equally effective marketing, right?
NO. Marketing is separate from the actual game.
I'm assuming that when you play the game you enjoy both as much and have the same user experience.

>>386932056
>how many people stop playing the game after having played it for a period of time
>this is independent from marketing
>when marketing heavily influences the number of people who bought the game on false pretenses and will quit it shortly after playing it for the first time
You're not making any sense, really. Read my post above.

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>>386903541
It would almost look like they were selling an incomplete game before...

>>386932287
Your post above assumes I assume that both games have the same level of marketing which I never said. Marketing is irrelevant here. I said that earlier.

>>386932242
>Marketing is separate from the actual game.
What does this even mean? Marketing influences the number of people, who will buy the game that they will not enjoy, because it will skew their perception of what the game actually is supposed to be. Do you agree with this statement?

>>386897301
I never played Fallout 4, is it worth picking up cheap and blasting through? I have fuck all to do for the next few weeks, really enjoyed New Vegas although head bad things about this. Is it really that bad?