ITT: The most out-of-touch decisions from people who make games

>>386896517
>strong black wymn

Items with a low chance to drop, also have a random chance at becoming 5-20 item levels higher.

Game requires internet access to download custom cards or camoflauges.

Phantom Dust, why?

>>386896517
Everything that Sega ever did.

Gamers really want us to push progressive Politics in our Games.

Better question, when's the last time a game developer was actually in touch and made GOOD decisions?

For the record my all time favorite games include Kamidori Alchemy Meister and Recettear, to give a sense of what kind of games I enjoy.

>>386896647
Sure made them successful, though.

Who thought a game about being a cabbie would be so awesome?

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>>386896517
"Let's make games with no sex appeal, so kids with raging hormones will instead fetishize the most non-sexual and mundane things, like shoes, cartoon animals, eating food, and musical instruments!"

"I'm sure they'll grow up well-adjusted and normal after playing our generation of games!"

>>386896517
most of final fantasy 14

>>386896921
/thread

>>386896762
Certain aspects yes, but the most? No, that would be Konami.

>>386896517
>tout multiplayer in your upcoming game
>take exactly one year to release basic MP capability

>>386896727

It's working fine as a business decision though. You're just butthurt because you're personally not the only one being catered to anymore.

For every butthurt /v/irgin that protests Undertale for a perceived slight, 3 dozen tumblr gurls will buy it.

>>386896806
Divinity Original Sin.


Blizzard pre 2009.
Valve pre tf2.
Nintendo pre Wii.

>>386896921
is this why tetris is my fetish?

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Prime example right here.

YOUR MOM HATES DEAD SPACE 2 and everything else contained in that spree of godawful EA marketing tricks. The fake Dante's Inferno protests and whatever else I'm forgetting.

>>386897174
>Valve pre tf2.
You mean before their most successful games?

>>386896635
Where else would you download from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FElmjlzdSSM

>>386896806
path of exile

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>>386896517
>'hey, you know what'd make our game even better? god damn open world!'
>'but don't add too much content in there lawrence, we ain't got the budget for that haha'

>>386896517
>Tacked-on multiplayer nobody asked for

>>386896517
>Charge $60 for a game
>Charge +$30 or more for "Collector Editions" which bestow in-game benefits
>Make various pre-order bonuses for different retailers
>Have an in-game real-money shop
>Balance your game assuming people will use the real-money shop so that anyone who fails to will have a poorer experience
>Meanwhile this is a sequel that adds a small handful of new ideas to the exact same game it is a sequel of

They keep doing this shit and they wonder why their franchises die.

Everything they added in Shadow of War

>>386897770
That new LOTR game?

>>386896921
When does this ever happen?

>>386897174
Blizzard seems to have extracted its head from its ass over the past couple of years. Really gives me hope.

Nintendo killed it at E3. They are set to dominate for all the right reasons, and I say that as someone who didn't like them.

>>386897391
TRIGGERED. I forgot about that.

>>386897621
Thing is, that's an own goal by gamers. The People demanded an open world Mass Effect...and got it. Open World has been all the rage because people seem to think it's great.

>>386898016
Its one of the new offenders.

Ass-Ass Creed has done it within the last year or two. Diablo 3 before that. They keep wanting their players to pay full price for a game but then provide them a F2P experience.

>>386897802
But those things are great...except for the micro

>>386898083
Were you born yesterday?

>>386898264
To be fair, having a world to explore and being able to tackle objectives in any order sure beats going through endless hallways like last gen's FPS craze.

>>386897697
Thankfully that trends seems to have died down a bit, it really pained me how every fucking game had to include some worthless versus multiplayer in them during the 7th gen. Who the fuck is going to play stuff like Chronicles of Riddick multiplayer anyways?

>>386898363
Were you? That shit doesn't happen at all. People don't get fucked up fetishes because people make games with no sex appeal.

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Let's have people decide what bonuses they get when they pre-order, and the more people pre-order, the more tiers open up

>>386896921
>Its the game's fault I'm a loon with fetishes for weird shit
This was always meant to be anon. Even in another world, you'd still be a sicko with obscure fetishes that would disgust the average person. Accept it and stop blaming others.

>>386898139
I feel like Bliz has just fuck-awful employees who keep getting assigned to projects, then do a piss-poor job of leading them. Just full of terrible design choices and shitty money grabs.

Diablo 3 was deeply broken until it finally came time to try to sell an expansion. They realized nobody would buy it so they had to strip out the cancer and try to make a fun game instead of an ATM machine.

And as they did that, they were making Overwarch. A game in which they completely ignore requests for balancing and decent matchmaking. Instead they make a "competitive shooter" where the matchmaking is designed to force you to a 50/50 win/loss ratio, so it will place you in games with people drastically above your ranking in order to force a lost. Meanwhile, they make sweeping nerfs and buffs which manage to make unplayable characters overpowered and overpowered characters worthless. When 90% of the character choices are split among 1/4 of your classes, you haven't balanced shit.

>>386896517
I like my Xbox but holy fuck Kinect is a piece of garbage.

>>386897621
>>386898264
The problem with open world designers is that they think people want an open world. When in reality what people want is an open world/level with shit to actually do in it.

I think Dragons Dogma is one of the best most well crafted open worlds in all of gaming. The world is large but not too large, it takes time to travel from place to place (until you get the teleport stones which is a great way to move around quickly and a unique fast travel system in both the first iteration and dark arisen), there's always something new to see (atleast the first 1-2 times through), new areas open up as you play, new content is unlocked, you can go pretty much everywhere from the start, most areas are unique with their own unique settings and content, there's not a lot of hand holding, the list goes on.

DD has a great open world because there is actually shit to do, content to see, short cuts to discover, stuff to PLAY! But most open worlds are just large, empty, boring places with sparse content that is mostly just samey or repetitive when you actually get there. Having a world to play on that is 10% content and 90% bullshit isn't fun; having a world to play on that is 70+% content and 30% whatever other bullshit IS fun.

MGS5 is a good example of a bad or mediocre open world. The world is open, but who cares? All the content is on the bases and the actual designed parts of the world. That's the good stuff. Sneaking into bases, etc. Not traveling through miles and miles of worthless, empty bullshit with nothing to do but hit up some guard posts with 3 guys and 99 worthless collectibles.

>>386898927
I enjoy Just Cause, but when their maps went super-retarded big, it mainly got to be a pain in the ass to travel anywhere. So they put in fast-travel.

Why even bother with an open world just to put in magic doors to skip you past it. Saints Row, a shittier series, handled this problem so much better but just giving you free access to high-utility vehicles

lets implement a combat system that puts you up again one enemy at a time who also fights like shit and call it a day

>>386896921
With all due respect, since when is it the developers responsibility to get kids off?

And nobody decides they like fucking shoes because of video games you retard.

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>>386898495
Exhibit A

>>386896727
Sjws dont care what gamers want

they are a cult

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>>386896517
As a dabbling gamedev I am completely out of touch with my own ideas even. I keep telling myself, at least it's not unity, but god damn

>>386898361
base building is the new open world

>>386899254
A cohesive idea for a game, that works all the way through and stays fresh, is a lot harder than people give it credit for. A lot of games have some neat idea that doesn't have anywhere to go, so you end up with a 2 hour game or a 6 hour shitty game.

Adding microtransactions to a game that costs more than 99 cents.

Multi-Episodic games ending on a cliffhanger or having a shit ending

>>386899386
I like survival and base building. I am all for this tidal wave of shit that is flowing over us all.

Because there's a chance that one decent game will float by me and I can grab on

>>386898395
Once again, HL2 sails above all.

>>386899431
>mfw trying for steampunk metroidvania 3d
>mfw I have no idea what the fuck I am doing

Metroid Prime Federation Force

>>386899637
get a writer

>>386896624
I STILL remember that semi-official blog of that try trying to recruit a Liquid Metal Slime in Dragon Quest V.
Game devs are completely out of touch with reality and have no idea what they're imposing on a player with bullshit low success rates on shit that's totally random.

I'm starting to think nobody here knows what "out of touch" means. Shady business practices like loot boxes aren't really out of touch since that's not really trying appeal to anyone, it's just trying to exploit people.

Creating an app for you to specifically voice chat through your phone for the Switch, now THAT is out of touch since Nintendo is convinced that they are appealing to an audience when that audience doesn't even exist

>>386899719
>writer
I really don't see how story will make good gameplay though. I am mostly focusing on experimenting with various sidescroller mechanics and asset pipeline for now. What I need is an artist, someone who can draw what my game will look like.

Quite possibly the dumbest desicision I've ever seen was in Borderlands 2 DLC

> introduce new rarity of guns
> can only be bought from a specific vendor
> vendor only accepts Seraph Crystals, a new currency
> 120 each
> Currancy only drops from ultra hard optional bosses in the DLC
> 6-10 crystals per kill
> game only allows you to fight bosses once per day
> ONCE
> PER
> DAY

That means it would take 2+ weeks of boss killing to afford a single weapon, literal months to get them all. They weren't even good weapons, a couple were decent but most were gimmicky and lame. I don't think a single one was best in its class. Ignoring the fact that the weapons were lame and the bosses weren't fun to fight (that's just incompetence) the desision to limit bosses to once per day is honestly baffling. Did Gearbox expect players to login, spend 5 minutes fighting a boss and log out? It's not like Borderlands has much to do once you've completed all the missions, it's a big game but definetly a finite one.

They fixed it with a hot fix pretty quick, but guess what: the next DLC had the same issue AND the next one. If you weren't connected to the internet you could only fight the bosses once per day. Eventually they patched it properally and the 4th DLC did not have this issue. They even buffed the weapons eventually as well.

why are developers so afraid of rewarding the player nowadays? you can do the most ludicrous of tasks and get paltry rewards

theyve all got game design shit shoved so far up their ass they forget to make games fun

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Did they expect people to get hyped for this?

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>you think you finished the game
>you really didn't, it was a jew trick
>to get the true ending you have to redo the entire thing
>the levels are exactly the same
That was always lame as fuck

>>386900148
The reward has always been overcoming the challenge itself. Everything else is just unimportant extra shit.

>>386900283
of course there was going to be a negative reaction as first


but so many damn people play dota and card games in the long run it will make millions

>>386896921
this tbqh

>>386900365
you see, this is the problem

>>386900373
It's a good move financially-wise, but they should have announced it subtly instead of bringing all this negative press to it.

>>386900449
Not if you design your game around it. Like super metroid. Rewards are near garbage, but you feel accomplishment even for something as simple as item percentage.

>>386900561
youre a fucking idiot

>>386900357
Someone just "beat" super ghouls and ghosts, didn't they?

>>386900283
Don't be a retard. These kind of games are quite popular. People don't need to be super excited for it, Valve just needs them to play it and pay money.

>>386897391
Also when EA artificially generated drama regarding LGBT characters in a Bioware game, and they even made a petition and had bots sign it.

>>386900048
>only allows you to fight bosses once per day
Holy shit now that's some mobile-tier garbage.
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>386899254
The engine doesn't make the game, anon. If it's a good game, nobody gives a shit if it's made in Unity. Likewise, if it's a shit game, nobody will say "at least it's Unreal"

>>386898815
They've been doing this since forever ago though, I'm not excusing it, so don't take it as that, but blizzard has always had some of the most awful reactionary balancing issues with all of their games. They always over buff or nerf something, leave it that way until enough people complain, then reactionarily overnerf that thing to almost uselessness while over buffing something new and repeating the cycle.

>>386900605
nice argument underage.
>>386900693
no but the engine breaks the game.

>>386900605
>I have no argument so I'll just insult him!
hahahaha bye kid

>>386900048
Hahaha how are Borderlands 2 even difficult just use a save editor nigger

>>386900662
>>386900491

>>386900283
doesn't matter about hype, realistically it's going to be the main alternative from hearthstone.

Why create a single player game that can't ever meet expectations when you can create another long lasting cash cow with micro transactions

>>386896517
When puzzles are made pointless by in-game hints.

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Dead Rising 4 too.

>>386896879
Fucking die in a fire, sale out.

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Will anything ever top this?

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Are they ever going to make something as good as Origins again?

>>386896921
Games aren't porn.

They have no responsibility to teach you about sex.

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>>386897136
Bullshit. If anything, it alienates us because we feel like you are pandering.

At no point in time have I ever bought a game because the MC or supporting cast member was black-like-me.

Actually, that's kind of a lie. I bought the fuck out of San Andreas, but still, shove Mafia III up your ass, faggot.

>>386896921
Games were never meant to cater to kids' raging hormones, weirdo.

>>386901078
But Origin was shit too

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Can't believe nobody posted this yet.

>>386896517
>ITT: The most out-of-touch decisions from people who make games
Atlus restricting streaming for P5
I get why they did it but it was retarded.

>>386901110
>out of context blurry as fuck DBZ wallpaper

Wow you really are black.

>>386901175
Edge was trending in that current time so it's not a completely blatant wrong decision.

I want to say the entirety of LiS because I couldn't put together something that feels more like it's desperately trying and failing to be hip with the kids if I tried, but then I also see people dump genuine praise on it for some reason that's beyond me. I'm the age of the target audience for that shit but the fact it feels so horribly out of touch almost makes me think I'm the one who's out of touch.

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>>386896517
The most out of touch decisions made in the current game industry is ANYTHING Nintendo does related to online play in any capacity. Seriously, who the FUCK at nintendo approved Mario Maker levels being unsearchable by name?

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>>386896517
>diversity quota

And that's how you get things like these pervading the games industry.

>>386901078

Probably not. I miss when Origins was new, I spent like 500 hours replaying it to see all the different outcomes. Inquisition just makes me not give a shit.

>>386896921

Anime loli's aren't normal in video games I hate to break it to you

>>386897174
>Divinity Original Sin.
I'm playing this now.

What a fucking great game.

>>386900283
Fuck I'm mad. When is valve going to make an actual fucking game again?

YOU'RE OUT OF TOUCH

>>386896517
I'm surprised 1981-82 Atari hasn't been mentioned yet.

They produced more copies of Pac-Man and ET than there were actual Atari 2600 systems in production. I heard a rumor that Atari thought those games would be bought multiple times by customers so they "could keep a copy at the vacation home" or some shit.

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>gamers don't like isolated singleplayer anymore, they want social experiences while playing their games!

>>386900827
people who don't want a card game are likely not to buy a card game even if it blew up like this. People who are interested in trying another card game likely don't care that people who don't want a card game aren't interested in one. In that case, any publicity is good publicity.

>>386899580
hl2 had nothing to do with it, there were plenty of similar games around then

>>386901546
basically anything nintendo does is out of touch, for example:
>paper mario in general
>not having a mic or a mic out on the switch
>voice chat in general on the switch needing your cellphone
>making that cellphone app stop working if you switch apps
>discontinuing nes classic after barely making any of the damn thing
>mario maker 3ds not being able to connect online to download levels

that's just off the top of my head

>>386901401
but edge on the least edgy game basted on bombings

>>386899254
>>386900782
>at least it's not unity

The problem is that shitty one-man devs don't have the money to pay to remove the splash screen, and all of the good games made in Unity don't have the splash screen, so no one knows. Unity is perfectly fine; the issue is that it's easy to use, so tons of garbage is made with it using default assets and shaders.

That's like the culture of "use C and roll your own" on /dpt/ that is absolutely crippling impressionable would-be productive devs.

>>386901086

That's not what he's talking about. They don't have to teach you about anything but they also don't have to ban characters like Lara Croft from ever existing again because a big part of her appeal was sexual. It's not necessarily bad for a kid to have fap material around. Shit, it probably kept me from exploring the internet for more depraved shit during my formative years.
He's suggesting there may be a link between hetero sexual appeal disappearing in the media that pre-pubescent males typically consume (action cartoons, comic books, video games) and the rise of more fetishistic lust i.e. sexualizing non sexual or "furry" characters, subcultures like the bronies, stuff like that.

I would be interested in learning more about something like this.

>>386899896
I imagine a writer that can write a story can give you plenty of ideas of what to put into the game. ie: plot dictating what kind of world the set is in, backdrops, themes, imagery, ect.

>>386902005
Did they ever make a proper account system?

>>386896517
Let's make another installment to a much beloved game--and let's make it a prequel.

>>386902303
This is 100% true. Most of Unity is drag and drop so it's easy to make absolute pure garbage and that isn't helped by the use of an asset store.

>>386896517
>We tried to making it more accessible to a wider audience

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>>386896517
RNGineers.
>Grind to unlock engineers
>Grind to get the materials to upgrade your ship modules
>There's an arbitrary cap to the amount of materials you can carry at one time and there's extremely limited information in game on what materials are actually worth keeping
>Waste important/rare materials on useless upgrades so you can get access to both other engineers and actually decent upgrades
>The quality of all upgrades are based on a dice roll
>Each dice roll costs materials

I'm just ready for 2.4 to come and go so Frontier can start rolling out the quality of life improvements and major gameplay and balance overhauls they have planned. There's a genuinely good game buried underneath all the grind.

>>386902303
from what I have heard, unity is very ineffective. I have seen arguments that a real developer will optimize his own game and the engine will not matter at all. At that point you might be reworking substantial parts of the engine, or at least it takes away time from other things you should be doing. For instance, Godot doesn't even support PBR yet, which is crippling for 3d games. You could reinvent the wheel, maybe you do it better, but really it comes down to this: if the devs of the engine couldn't do it themselves, what else didn't they do? I don't know, I hedge my bets on the industry standard, after moving on from 2D games in godot.
>>386902362
True, but an artist can do exactly the same, except he can actually draw shit. You will mostly be looking at shit and in a 3d sidescroller game anyway, and not so much reading text.

>>386902695
This.

>>386902751
>a real developer
I literally stopped reading here.

battleborn

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>ctrl+F Tripwire
>0

Come guys

>>386896517
>Make a fighting game based on fast paced quick as fuck reactions and mechanics for swordplay
>make it peer2peer instead of dedicated servers
>cant play offline ever even for only single player campaign
Why

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>>386897136
>It's working fine as a business decision though
It's people like you who buy assembly-line AAA games and don't care when independent studios get bought and slowly die under companies like EA or Activision.

>>386902846
I'm a bit surprised this wasn't posted yet.

It's like they just *knew* what the market wanted, and doubled and tripled down on it without asking anyone outside their marketing bubble.

>>386897136
undertale isnt free?

>>386902751
You can say that about any engine though. Unless you're starting from scratch and making your own engine, you aren't going to be able to perfectly optimise your game. The bigger the project, the more need there is to use an engine such as Unity or Unreal (even game maker). At the end of the day depending on what you want to make will determine whether or not a game engine is needed. That and obviously your technical knowledge with programming.

>>386896517
Too much cinematic experience

>>386902874
The mainstream media will have a larger backlash on someone who isn't following the narrative than a company who happens to do the whole "diversity" thing. From a company stand point it's the safer bet. There's no reason to stray from the safe route.

>>386896517
>out of touch
'I want games to pander to me and me alone!'

>>386902815
?OK?

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>dude put a kid in it and it will be art

>>386903058
You can't say engine X lacks feature Y for any engine though anon. I see your point though.

>>386902709

>This patch will totally bring QOL Additions
This is Skinner bait

>>386902846
>>386902916
According to Randy's interview, they all knew the game was going to flop when Overwatch was announced but Take-Two still went ahead with it.

>>386899173
I don't think those are the kind of fetishes you get from lack of sexuality. You find this shit even in sexualized series.

>>386900048
You know, I'm not much for raid bosses and shit, but loading up my Release the Beast-Krieg and soloing the Ancient Dragons was fun as fuck.

>>386903479
>blaming overwatch
It was a factor, but battleborn is such a clusterfuck that it would have bombed anyway. They just got the perfect excuse

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I will eternally be reminded that Trion fucked up everything. From Rift, to Archage to Trove.

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what a fucking misfire on every level

>>386898927
>When in reality what people want is an open world/level with shit to actually do in it.

They hear this, and then they just cram it full of CONTENT. Not gameplay as such, but, you know, content. See: Dragon Age Inquisition, for example.

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>>386896517
>Hey guys, we have two big budget, multiplayer-heavy, first person shooters that will be finished later this year. How much time should we put between the releases?
>How about a week?

>>386900148
>why are developers so afraid of rewarding the player nowadays?

>start a new game
>achievement: Game started!
>walk one step
>Achievement: baby steps!
>fight an enemy
>Achievement: it's clobberin' time!

It's people like you that shitting up games with this bullshit.

>>386901006
I really can't think of a better example, holy shit that was glorious.

>>386904470
They're willing to spam you with achievements but not anything meaningful. Now alternate costumes and game modes are sold as DLC instead.

>any decision where the developer/publisher changes the game to appeal to "progressive" types, not realizing that they're a minority audience if you can even call them an audience when they're not actually going to play the game anyway

Fucking escort missions. Nobody has ever liked those, not ever, and yet they keep doing them.

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>>386896517
>Locking the highest difficulty until you beat the game once
Of all things, this is the one thing that will never not rustle my jimmies.

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>devs for some reason think the game is too short
>decide to cramp it with hundreds of different kinds of collectibles and other filler activities
>most of the actual progression is locked behind that wall of pointless bullshit
>now the game feels like a fucking chore instead of being short and satisfying
Why do AAA devs have such a massive fucking boner for this shit?

>>386896596
Do black women really play games that much?

>>386904929
>Making a game focus more on the political message than the content of the game itself is /pol/ gripes
yah, nah you cunt. Games that do that shit are usually shit because resources are directed to the wrong thing and it ends up being more about being inclusive than making a good game.

>>386899173
>sonic
>no sexuality
Play SA1 and wait for Amy to get on screen. Jesus Christ I would have killed myself with someone else watching as the camera automatically pans up her dress.

>>386905030
Easy content.

If your game is too short, you get critically panned. if it's bloated, it has more "value"

>>386905030
Longer is always better as far as a lot of people are concerned. Look how many reviewers jizzed themselves over how long DA:I was for example, even though it was full of fucking nothing.

>>386897136
Except Undertale is actually pretty good.

>>386897391
I thought that Dead Space mom ad was brilliant.

>>386902751
Either way, a good creative talent coupled with an editor can give you really neat results.

Base building
Open world
Crafting
Survival
Required internet connection for single player games'
Early access

>"will make you cry like an anime fan on prom night"

I don't like anime or megaman but wow what a fuck you to your audience.

>>386901930
I never liked isolated singleplayer thats why I liked the arcades way more than PC.

>>386905158
>a black person is a political message
woof.

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>>386905695
I know what you're trying to do and you're retarded for baiting like that

>>386896517
>be arenanet
>have guild wars
>make "guild wars 2"

still makes me vomit to this day

People with a degree in game design. Nothing quite says 'talent' than feeling the need to pay someone else to teach you what makes games fun.

Seriously if you're in one of these meme degrees focus on programming, it's the only salvageable skill.

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>What type of graphics should we have in our indie game? Isometric 2D? Hand drawn?
>I know! Let's add pixel graphics!

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>>386901297
wait what

>>386905158
Except it's not.

>Beyond Good and Evil 2
We know little about the game but it has a massive cast of characters. You just decided to get triggered by the one black woman in it.
>Wolfenstein II
Again, we have no idea what roll the black woman is taking but she's not a protag. A white man is.
>B-but Nazis and politics.
Wolfenstein being Wolfenstein.
>Uncharted: Lost Legacy
The closet example to what you're talking about but the game doesn't try to shame whites or push agendas. Game doesn't try to push political messages.

Please, show me all these games that are brainwashing people you xenophobic turbosperg /pol/fag.

>>386896517
EXCLUSIVES

>>386896517
Making multiplayer for a single player focused game, for the sake of having it. Utter waste of resources with no returns because people are playing better MP games.

>>386896517
Lets add memes to our game

Anyone else notice how the games pushing agendas these days are almost universally bad?

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>>386906070

>>386901297
My favorite part was getting a fuck error message every time I got some dumbass achievement.

>>386906268
That's because they divert a lot of resources to that and devs who tend to push inclusive agendas are the same devs that want a forced 50/50 split between men and women int heir offices even if it means taking in less skilled and experienced workers. Also doesn't help they tend to have a terrible culture that doesn't benefit game creation, too focused on pronouns to make a functioning game.

>>386905752
>i cant actually counter this argument

>>386903373
>This patch
No, whatever is coming after 2.4 will, at least according to Frontier. 2.4 will likely just be more grind to get modules that will let your ship interact with the Thargoids.

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>>386896517
Three sequels and they still have absolutely no clue why people praised the first game.

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>>386906635

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>>386897369

>>386906913
I haven't played past the first game but based on this picture I'm guessing the second one had too much slice of life and the third one had too much edge.

DLC content that requires addition DLC content in order to complete it. That's probably one of the most Jewish things a developer can do.

>>386906913

Don't forget the part about Portable exclusives~!

And the part where they made a completely fucking different game.

>>386907287
I don't think I've ever experienced this, toss me some examples.

>>386907438

SMT IV.

>>386898927
DD's open world would be better if the game was more developed. I adored exploring interesting locales like the Watergod's Altar or seeing my pawns comment about the mysterious (Bluemoon) Tower in the distance. The world was filled with things to do, and each area had unique geography, enemies, and treasure.

Then I played the main quest and found that 90% of the areas you go to are places you HAVE to go to, and if you just follow the storyline quests there won't be any places left to explore.

The game in general needed more time, but regarding the open world it should've rewarded exploring for its own sake more than it did. The only time it does that is postgame, especially when you run into dragonkin.

>>386907438

Fire Emblem Awakening's DLC. At least, shit like future past. I don't think you can beat it without downloading at least some of the DLC that increases your stats.

They inflate the stats of enemies so much that it seems almost impossible to beat the chapters.

>>386896517
Always Online for games that can be played solo.

Choosing to put half of your fucking game on a single disc and making people download the rest online.

Choosing to put NONE of your game on the disc and only including a steam key in it.

Really killing a good portion of people who don't necessarily have the best internet.

>>386896517
#skilledAF

Let's reboot resident evil lol it'll be great. We'll put Leon in it cuz he's a pretty cool guy right. Tank controls are shit, our fans loved the games with tank controls but lets change em anyways. HEY it got 10/10 GOTY wow. Wow.
Wow...

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>lets make a sequel to this loved franchise and casualize every gameplay mechanic to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

I'VE GOT AN IDEA FOR KICKSTARTER!

>>386906923
>and im being passive aggressive about it

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>>386907962

Some of you don't understand what "out of touch" means, it isn't simply "thing I don't like". Out of touch decisions are ones that are at odds with the general public, something that most people aren't in favor of.

>>386903301
Worked for the Last of us and Bioshock Infinite.

>>386907224

Haven't played the third one but the second had garbage tiny maps and you could only take like 6? units per map. It also went full anime with the setting (A fucking high school) and the characters themselves were garbage or waifu shit.

>Lets add crate bullshit to the game with unbalanced guns that shit all over what little balance the game already had
>Also let's add them to a remake of a game as well thus fucking up the balance there as well

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>>386896517
>Items can drop with a higher level requirement
>They end up being shittier than the gear you normally get at that level
Why does every MMORPG do this?

>>386901923
I thought it was "This is SUCH a killer app that people will buy a 2600 just for this!"

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>remake game
>doesn't add cut content

>>386908169
That new cod? What do the crates do?

Out of touch decisions blizzard has made in World of Warcraft

>Remove arena teams
>Add Stat templates
>add mythic difficulty dungeons and raids
>randomize stats and Ilvl on gear drops
>add more daily hubs
>add grindy as shit artifact power/class research
>add more artifact talents for 2 patches despite community outrage
>enable said talents in pvp despite being met with community backlash
>prune abilities (AGAIN)
>make most rotations rely on legendary drops aka MORE RNG
>buff demon hunters in pvp and pve despite public outcry


Shit why do i play this game

>>386905030

Metroid Fusion did this really badly, collecting all the super bomb expansions was a fucking chore, you had 81 SUPER BOMBS BY THE END OF THE GAME.

>>386902709
>There's a genuinely good game buried underneath all the grind.

How can one man be so wrong?

The Wiiu's name.

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>>386901923

'80s and '90s era Atari is probably the best example of a company making out-of-touch decisions. They were completely tone deaf to what consumers wanted.

>>386897136
>It's working fine as a business decision though
>citing undertale
undertale actually happened to have an enjoyable game behind it and it wasn't ABOUT muh feminism tumblr pro-diversity etc.
as far as successful games that existed purely to pander to sjws, the only one i can think of is gone home and that had the entire indie collective and their sex buddies in the journo industry backing it

>>386908508
Don't forget the fact that Zero Mission had many collectables locked off until you get Power Bombs, which you get about 5 minutes from the end of the game.

>>386908426

Give you insanely overpowered guns, they added them to the CoD4 expansion as well with weapons that where never in that game which fucked up the already terrible and fucked up balance the game already had.

Literally pay 2 win guns since they where stronger.

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>time to make a sequel to this survival horror game
>but it needs more action and explosions
>and co-op
>and overpowered weapons
>and lets make every weapon in the game use the same ammo type so the player will never run out it
>forget the monsters and add some human enemies with guns and a cover system
>and a love triagle sideplot
>while we're at it, lets change the personality of the main character so that he's a one liner machine action hero
>and the last boss is the moon!
>looks great, but we're not quite there yet. I think its missing something
>oh, i know. Microtransactions!
>10/10 game of the decade! everyone here is promoted!

>>386896517
Nioh's trip from Alpha to release. Alternatively, 7th Dragon's quest system.

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>>386908340
>Adds it as DLC

>fuck designing levels, just make it procedurally generated
>fuck balancing shit, just make everything random

>>386908508

He said most of the actual progression is locked behind that shit. You didn't need 81 super bombs. It was superfluous, but you didn't need to collect them to beat the game, unless you wanted to 100% it like a super autist. But then who the fuck would be masochistic enough to do that?

Most mini games included in games. Unless you're playing Mario Party, chances are you aren't a big fan of the pointless mini games put in games.

>>386908664

>Real ending is DLC

>>386903301
I still have no idea what they're going for with this reboot...

>>386898495
You obviously was born within this last 15 years.

>>386908963

That was quite possibly one of the stupidest decisions made in a video game. No ending should be locked behind a paywall

>>386904689
Why give unlockables for free when retards will pay $3 for it instead?

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>>386907840
>game gets popular
>sequel doesn't focus on the things that made it popular in the first place
>however, it appeals to newcomers who don't know the original
>franchise loses its original indentity and becomes another generic cash cow

>>386905198
>>386905030
Like the other anon said, it's a value thing.
With AAA games being expensive as hell day 1, people want to feel like they got their money worth with the time played, even if they ignore the fact that most of the time was spent doing repeating side quests or collectibles.

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>>386903761
this is the absolute worst
2nd place goes to arenanet

>>386906286
Instead of proving him wrong you use a buzzword

How retarded are you?

Let's release our open world game just before Zelda.

Also, the whole life work of Randy ''bobandy'' Pitchford

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>>386906286
>I can't debate this. Better meme about cherry picking despite it being all the relevant titles in 2017 featuring black characters.

ftfy

>>386908001
>because i have literally

Gears of Mass Effect

Everything Blizzard ever did to WoW.

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>>386906286

>>386909657
vanillababs straight up fucking delusional as always

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>unskippable cutscenes, especially when placed just before a boss fight (Unskippable only on the first viewing is fine though).
>localisations/sequels/etc that either completely change or ruin a character's personality or both.
>Items that drop are worthless due to rewards from quests being ridiculously better.

I'm still mad about Rebirth 2.

>>386896517
The overabundance of games trying to copy the success of COD during the 7th gen, and forcing some kind of MP component into their game.

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>>386909376
>>386909506
>>386909515
>>386909797

t. you

>>386909993
>no argument at all

wew, didnt think youd keep passively aggressively posting for me to finish that string

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The design decision to scrap Guild Wars's "8 skill slots, 1000 skill pool" build system in favor of a highly restrictive "active combat" system for Guild Wars 2 is probably the single most out of touch move that I have ever witnessed in game development. They took the defining characteristic of their original product and then completely removed it for the successor and replaced it with something that was not only worse in every way but also completely generic and watered down.
>>386909452
Hey, say what you want about Blunderborn and modern Gearbox but the original Borderlands was the furthest thing from out of touch. Borderlands 1 struck at the absolute prime era of Reddit quip writing 10 years ago. Randy practically ushered in that style of "le badass humor" game that everyone copied for years afterwards.

>>386896921
This 100x

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Prove me wrong, you can't

Still mad 5 years later

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>>386910101
I miss gw1.

>>386905129
Yes the younger generation do and they prefer playing white male characters as their husbandos

>>386896517
The current glut of low difficultly games with "realistic settings" with no style

>>386909819
>flying mounts
>death knights
>Dude let's rape every zone lmao
>fucking pandas
>garrisons
>timegates and mana
Do not play the fool.

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>>386910249
>out of touch
>making billions and billions of dollars

>>386906149
Sometimes it works out well; Goldeneye Multiplayer was made in only 6 weeks and it became the main reason it was popular.

>>386896921
Degenerate

Can't blame games for your depravity

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>>386910037
>samefagging this hard

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>>386910313
>vanilla didn't have timegates

>>386896921
t. butt blasted weeb that not everyone likes moe blobs

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>>386896517
>press a button something happens
>horse armor DLC
>skip option for gameplay
>we want to charge you for your "clip" when you want to reload
Am I missing anything?

>>386903479
>knew their game was a hot pile of shit
>still goes out of their way to (try and) antagonize Blizzard
I'm not even saying that I don't believe you, if anything, that sounds like something Randy would do, but that's pretty fucking sad lie or not.

>>386910405
and yet, some /v/irgins act like they don't understand the simplicity of the concept.

>>386910543
>also samefagging and STILL unable to come up with the simplest counter

>>386905158
>black people existing is political
Only for you freaks

>ctrl-f mods
>0 of 0
paid mods

>>386909993
>Getting btfo this hard.
LOL

>>386910634
>doesn't know what a samefag is

>>386908449
Wait they removed arena teams?

Who even plays the game for PvP now?

>>386910634
>arguing against someone who's baiting and cherry picking
>>386910736
He should since he's doing it to get an argument out of me

>>386908664
what game??

>>386910634
They do this every time you call them out. Poltards are sniveling rats without the courage of their convictions becsuse they know its fucking nuts

>>386910736
>literally state that that was me
>a samefag is someone who pretends it isnt
>cant counter AND stupid

>>386910226
>Yes the younger generation
nope. unless you mean the occasional hyper-pleb tier game such as call of duty.

>>386909659
4chan was complaining about things like this way before /pol/ or even /news/ ever existed. Maybe this is just not the place for you.

>>386910405
>>386910625
Twilight is a good book.

>>386910851
yeah. its really failed as a containment board, it just brings more people that stupid to the site then anything else

>>386910903
exactly. if you disagree your a contrarian and again, skinner in the picture

>>386896517
Making enemies give less experience if they are too high/low level compared to the character that kills them on mmos.
That's soggy bullshit.

>>386910736
>>386910784
>>386910851
all me ;)

>>386910851
Here's a pity response to shut you up for a bit or at least make you change the stupid shit you keep saying: race is a political thing because of policies like affirmative action and an entire political party dedicated to divisive racial politics (democrats.)

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>>386911034
>taking credit for one of my posts
die in a fire lad

>>386897136
Undertale didn't have any SJW propaganda you mentally ill cunt.

>>386910942
After it ruptured during the U.S. election it's been nothing but a bypass for dipshit r*dditors to flood the other boards

>>386911060
first generation i didnt buy because i lost interested

what's so bad about them?

>>386896517
ITT: Nintendo post-2010

>>386910987
SAO is also the best anime to come out in years.

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>>386911139
I can finally show people why I didn't bother arguing with the first guy, kek

>>386908449
>each character has his own rating - Good
>each class can be tuned for balance separate of other classes - Good
>more content - Good
>Better Rewards - Good
>more content again - Good
>a way for progress that isnt just a random loot roll for a new weapon from a boss every week - Good
>MORE CONTENT - Good
>character progression is reflected in pvp - Good
>Reducing wasted abilities which were made worthless or redundant thanks to the new talents - Good
>Normal rotations get changed when you get a legendary - Good
>Buff weaker classes when they need it - Good

holy shit.
you complain that they add abilities, but complain when they remove abilities
you complain theres grindy shit but complain when you dont have to grind for pvp stats
you complain when more content is added, but complain when nothing is changed

someone is out of touch, and it isnt the fuckers who added bouncing pandas into their space-age fantasy game

>>386901673
Maybe not in the ones you're playing.

>>386896517
more gender politics in games

>>386897136
Undertale is good.

>>386911128
>>386911034
still me ;)

>>386900357
>Jew Trick
What other kind of trick is there?

>>386911215
>wont make an argument
>considers it valid
>then someone ignores him
>OH NOW ITS NOT VALID LOL SEE

pol

not even once

>>386902916
the blunderborn video is in the first 25 replies

>>386905030
Ever watch 10 Cloverfield Lane? It was a good movie till the ending when a fucking alien fight happens.

Answer is a bunch of bigwigs forced the shit probably because they though it'd sell better.

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>>386896921
What the fuck? Why would you ever post this, tile boy?

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>>386910786
If I'm reading that post right, it's Dead space 3

>>386911186
The game is plagued by a heavily prominent narrative that constantly interrupts and railroads you, while it doesn't have any good writing to back it up. The characters are one-dimensional and 95% of the time they talk without saying anything.

The level design is at an all time low and the new features suck too. There's nothing good to find here except that the graphics are the best yet.

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>>386911504
You know, your bitching depends on if I'm the one who said >>386896596 but I wasn't. I'm >>386905158 so why would I argue about niggers? Do I look like a democrat to you?

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>link your Facebook account and play with your friends!
>micro transactions shoved in
>on disk dlc
>sjw propaganda
>all of the above in a series know to be a single player experience

>>386911650
>join in on the argument taking that side
>but thats not the side i was taking

whats next, "i was just pretending to be retarded" or..

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>>386911060
Is there a fucking reason why these are being remade?

Everything about the difficulty settings in Pokemon Black/White 2.

>>386910882
Who gives a shit about a game having black characters. Cry about it /pol/tard.

>>386911286
Better rewards for who? If Scrubs McRaidfinder can rng his way to the same gear that's obtainable in the latest mythic content, there is something grossly wrong with the system.

>>386911839
we waz mario n shirt

>>386911813
Those shouldn't even had existed if you needed to erase your save for them.

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>>386911749
>Being this incapable of critical thinking
Are you sure you're not the one going "I was just pretending to be retarded"? If you can't see the link between the two I suggest re-taking some elementary classes.

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>>386912015
>im just sidestep that i took /pol/s side and pretend now im not

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>>386911752

>>386911212
I'm still disappointed SAO wasn't a 100 episode experience, especially when the first season rushed shit like no other. Instead make way for muh sister loves me wahhh now let's save Asuna while she gets sidelined for the rest of the show, time to find le deathgun waahhhh new girl shot a guy waahhhh my feels filler all over the FUCKING place, oh look the show finally has action? Well its about t- nah let's watch them eat food and talk instead :)

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>>386911650

>>386911212
from an investor point of view, SAO is a gold mine. and that's all there is to know.

>>386911212
and if you disagree your contrarian. see where this is going?

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>>386912605
E-celebs are /v/.

>>386912605
my contrarian what?

>>386912734
>grammar nazi reveals how low tier he is by not knowing the difference between formal and informal settings

>>386912126
You're seriously that incapable of critical thinking and now put words in my mouth. Jesus Christ go to school

Dialogue wheel
Voiced Protagonist
Diversity of the worst kind (the brown kind)
Ugly women
Generic male protagonists

>>386911839
Shut up, /pol/.

God, it sure is /pol/ in here. Everyone is /pol/ but me.

>>386912687
well, thats a rule, thats different. a better statement would be "/v/ thinks e-celebs should/shouldnt be" and we dont really know which groups larger, so we dont know whose contrarian

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>SAO
Please grow the fuck up

>>386911839
Calm down there nigger

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>>386913092
>literally link to me while im debating a /pol/tard and take the opposite side
>no way i didnt do this even tho i literally also posted "ur argument relies on that being me"

>>386912937
>gRaMmaR nAzI rEVeAls h0w l0w tIEr hE Is bY n0t KnoWINg tHE diFfeREnCe BeTwEeN F0rMaL aND iNƒORrmAl sETtiNgS

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>>386913153
Looks like it's you my fellow anon.

>>386905129
I don't think you have to be of a given race or gender to enjoy playing a game featuring someone of that race or gender.

I have played games starring white men, brown women, blue aliens, green lizards, etc. It's not that big of a deal.

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>game has bots that do reptitive tasks that no real player would do
>"we have to get rid of them by removing free trade and pking"
>pvp dies
>"we're a pvm game now so let's improve the pvm experience"
>replace old combat system with a clunky tab targetting, button smashing (muh rotations) combat system
>game dies

>>386913306
I still don't get this meme

>>386913329
>ill just stop making sense

uh okay

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>>386913179
SAO Abridged is good though.

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>>386913273
>literally retarded

>>386913306
uh, yeah, thats what i said

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>thread for consumers to come together and commiserate
>people fling shit at eachother instead

>>386913430
>going back to no actual arguments

>>386913418
That's literally impossible
I gave that show a literal 1 it was so retarded bad
People used to always say naruto was the de facto show for 13 year old kids first anime but SAO blows all other anime out of the water for being the quintessential brainlet anime

>>386905129
There's not many of them and all the ones I know are weebs.

>>386913459
Haven't you heard? Consumerism is communist. We should shut the fuck up and be grateful for the slop we're given, except when the slop shows black people in a positive way, which is also communist. Good capitalists obey their masters and hate who they are told to. Europa has always been at war with Eastasia.

>>386905129
I have literally

LITERALLY

Never seen a black woman literally play even a single videogame in my entire life that wasn't "Just Dance" for the PS3/4.

>>386913614
Real talk here, SAO episodes 1-14 are kino. If the series had ended with Kirito walking out of the hospital, supported only by his iv stand and determination to find wheelchair wife, it would have been an instant classic.

>>386896921
Musical instruments?

>>386913829
What are you talking about goy

>>386913614
I don't think that's very fair. SAO was fucking FINE early on. Later on it shit the proverbial bed.

All it had to do was be like .Hack, and it started off fine.

>>386913459
It's the anti-/pol/ people who sperg out at the slightest mention of political ideas being a negative towards gaming. Just look at the thread

>>386897369
Was that the game with the cartoony aesthetic at first then was changed to generic shooter because of play-testers?

if it was, fuck whoever did this

>>386913935
No it wouldn't because the series was fucking trash and the worst anime I remember watching ever
>>386913974
>I don't think that's very fair. SAO was fucking FINE early on.
It wasn't. At all. Trash fucking show.

>>386896647
b-but i like RTS

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>>386913614
SAO Abridged is good though. It makes SAO watchable.

>>386914047
You should probably come back when you have over 200 series, at minimum, under your belt. Sorry, friend.

>>386913347
Dumb pvp cuck. I'm glad your kind is dead, I've never seen a worse cancer in any online community.