What do you guys think of Dota 2? (Defense of the Ancients 2)

>>386894526

I don't have time to play it anymore, but I still watch tournaments.

It's a very good game but only in ideal conditions, otherwise it's a total shit show

good game filled with animals

Shit sucks. Artifact looks promising though.

>>386894526
actually it's just Dota 2. it doesn't stand for anything now

>>386894526
Best game ever, much better than League

>>386894526
Held back by a shitty community, and the way certain mechanics are unexplained is unbelievably fucking frustrating. Haven't played in years though, so maybe that's changed.

As an esport it is miles ahead of LoL, too stressful to be fun though

>>386894526
I didn’t get into but my friends all did and now it’s all they’ve played for years with some being at 8-9k hours. Thanks Dota.

>>386894526
Shitty HotS clone.

In a nutshell?

ADDICTING RAGE AND RUSSIANS

>>386894526
It's good, Icefrog is a genius, but Valve is terrible and actively holding the game back.

I don't like seeing people being mean to each other so I stopped playing.

>>386895614
Doesn't LoL have a bigger esports scene? All I know is that Riot sucks at international tournaments

Who do you guys think/want to win TI7
I want liquid in the finals at least

fuck the chinese

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it's a fun game, but a very stressful one, Too much of it in a row and you start to feel heated up
Best Boney coming trough

>>386896368
Riot viewbots all their events so their numbers are way inferior than what they claim

>>386894526
Mobas are exclusively for children.

Enjoy your character-based PvP with like four skills, scrubs.

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>>386896564

>>386894526
If Valve could handle their own shit with cosmetics, it could be really appealing even on visual point.

>>386896713
(You)

>>386897721
Play fighters with me and I'll teach you I'm right.

>>386897784
Play assfaggots with me and I'll teach you you're wrong.
Number of inputs has nothing to do with a game's depth or what it takes to play it optimally.

Even regardless of that, "4 skills" is misleading because every character has 4 to 6 abilities and 6 item slots that can all be actives.

>>386896437
>white cuck rooting for sand niggers

>>386897993
>numbers of inputs has nothing to do with a game's depth
LMAO

So if a game had only one input and you just spammed it at right moments, the game could be as deep as a game with 20-30 different inputs?

Fuck you.

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>>386894526
It'd be great if matches were 15 minutes instead of 30 to fucking 120. Playing an hour just to lose is for sick fucks.

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>>386897784
>fgc autist

>>386898161
>So if a game had only one input and you just spammed it at right moments, the game could be as deep as a game with 20-30 different inputs?
Absolutely.
A game's depth doesn't come from the amount of inputs, it comes from the situations they're used in. By your logic, strategy games as a whole are 100% incapable of having any depth at all since their entire gameplay is input-independent.

>>386898162
wait wtf 120mins? does dota 2 games really go on for that long with shit players?

Whats the average time 40-45?

>>386898162
>It'd be great if matches were 15 minutes
neck yourself faggot

>>386898431
>>386898431

Not with shit players but if the other team turtles hard matches can go on for fucking ever

dont play fucking mobas man dont do it I had a bad addiction

>>386898348
And by your logic, no such thing as technical depth exists. Strategy games are indeed technically retarded, even more so than mobas. In them, you simply minmax variables, and the amount of those variables makes the game deep.

Meanwhile mobas have a simple HP system with a low level of technicality. The only thing that requires actual thinking is rotation, but even that is just common sense which you learn quick.

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bredi fun dou

>>386898709
>The only thing that requires actual thinking is rotation, but even that is just common sense which you learn quick.
what the fuck is rotation

>>386894526
I didn't enjoy it, but it was probably because it was my first MOBA game and I was shit at it.

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>>386898761

>>386898513
You love to waste time? Fucking addict. Go run down mid for fun.

Solo MMR is valid but highly inaccurate.

>>386898431
He's making shit up. My match average after roughly 1.9k matches is ~40 minutes. The global average is roughly the same, I believe.

I love how much depth there is to drafting and how the game is balanced.

>>386894526
It's like crack cocaine on meth, sprinkled with speed, ecstacy and acid. Highly addictive, and will completely ruin your life forever.

>>386898638
This. It's addicting, I played 4k hours and I regret every minute of it. My friend is still addicted, he'll be late for work and shit because he's playing Dota. It's a serious addiction.

>>386898936
>waste time
nice projection

>>386898801
How you rotate around the map depending on situation. Basically where to go.

>>386898958
what does this even mean
and there's no other way to gauge player skill directly besides W/L ratio

over a thousand games MMR is accurate, just because you're not 5k now doesn't mean it's not accurate, you simply have to climb on a 52% win rate if possible over the course of hundreds of games

i quit in 2015, player base got too insufferable and valve is too pussy to implement region locking

at the time though the game was really fun i dont know whats going on now with talent trees and what not

>>386898994
not if you get your GF and a couple of friends into
best social game ever for people with actual friends

>>386899036
oh, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and figuring you maybe meant spell rotation. map rotations are not common sense and basically is only done properly at the pro level. basically you're an idiot.

>>386894526
Shit devs
Shit community
A game of inconsistent quality

Possibly the worst game to spend your time on. You need to spend thousands of hours to even be decent at it and when you finally stop playing all you will feel is regret.

>>386899114
>and there's no other way to gauge player skill directly besides W/L ratio
Correct, but people still treat MMR like it means anything.
>over a thousand games MMR is accurate
It's not.

>>386894526
A good game ruined after TI5ish by jewery and lack of a playerbase on US west
>still no region lock implemented, instead valve makes more skins andd goypendium
>some skins so many particles they rape your framerate, even on minimum settings
>long q times, only to get games with lowskill and toxic shitskins

I only play games with skeletons in them.

>>386899031
Explain to me how playing an hour long stressful game and losing isn't a waste of time.

>>386898709
>And by your logic, no such thing as technical depth exists.
Nope, I didn't say this. I'm telling you amount of inputs isn't a universal metric of how deep or challenging a game is.

A game with 10 inputs can be incredibly static and simplistic with its mechanics being very obvious and easy to execute, and a game with three inputs can have a lot of non-input stragetic depth to it and a lot of unique interactions that make it deeper and more mechanically in depth as well.

If you just look at the number of buttons and measure depth on that alone, you're a narrow minded idiot. This is exactly as stupid as saying the only thing in chess that requires actual thinking is the act of physically moving your pieces. It's like saying team FPS is literally nothing but aiming and shooting and none of the positioning/sightline strategy, teamwork, mindgames, etc actually exist.

Games aren't just input. You're a fucking moron.

>The only thing that requires actual thinking is rotation, but even that is just common sense which you learn quick.
Thanks for confirming you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
Map rotation is highly fluid and isn't at all common sense, and if you seriously think this is the only thing you need to think about in this game then you clearly have absolutely zero understanding of how it's actually played.

>>386898969
Forgot to add: while matches can last anywhere from 15 to 120 minutes, they rarely do. Personally, only around 100 of my matches lasted over an hour.

The large variance in game length (but still, with a very reasonable average) is a natural consequence of the fairly freeform nature of the game, which allows for player creativity and emergent gameplay. What this idiot is asking for is essentially a massive dumbing down of the game, whether he realizes it or not.

>>386899136
Yes they are, all you have to do to learn it is simply spend time reading the minimap. And the reason pros do it most efficiently is because they play and care about it the most.

Throwing stones is not difficult either, even when pros do it the best.

Rotation is basic gaming vocabulary. You should play more, expand your horizons.

>add region lock
>suddenly pros can't play with each other

rmyt

it's not like wc3 dota was region-locked you homo monkeys

also goypendiums are WORTH IT
>complaining about fps
>in 2017
>when game literally has the most fucking optimization valve cares for any options like reducing engine render rate and whatno

you literally have to be on a craptop or using integrated graphics to be sub30

>implying you're not lowskill

>>386899135
no video gaming is an addiction and you all need to seek help.

>>386898969
1.9k matches? You mean 1.9k MMR ahahaha

>>386899294
>its only not a waste of time if you win
pretty poor way of thinking

wastes of time are retards destroying their items and running down mid

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>>386898162
>It'd be great if matches were 15 minutes instead of 30 to fucking 120. Playing an hour just to lose is for sick fucks.

The average match is actually close to 40-50 mins. This is because people often forget to add in matchmaking time, hero select time, readying up time, pauses and post match.

I mean generally you have to set aside 1 hour per match in advance.

So yes, matches are way too long.

matches are too long would just be matches are too short if changed

if you wanted to play fast-dota go play customs

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LGD TO FALL

LIQUID ARE DOING IT

>>386899682
>still no custom -EM mode

>>386899424
>Yes they are
no, they aren't.
>simply spend time reading the minimap.
reading the minimap isn't even the half of it you retarded poser. post your dotabuff.

>>386899297
>Nope I didn't say this
This is literally what you said:
>Number of inputs has nothing to do with a game's depth

It is directly linked to a game's technical depth. You are a mere liar.

>Games aren't just input
Now this is something you don't find me saying; I literally explained you the depth of game is the combination of many factors, which you failed to understand.

You are a scrub and a liar who plays games for children. SAD.

>>386899297
If you truly believe rotation is some kind of challenging mental task, you are someone who has never done anything intellectually challenging in his life. All it requires is training and getting used to it. Where to go? Use simple reasoning. Then master it.

Dota pro players are not exactly smart academic people, they are just teenagers with too many pimples.

>>386899812
>post your dotabuff
What if he ends up revealing he's 6k? What would your response then be?

>>386899815
>All it requires is training and getting used to it. Where to go? Use simple reasoning. Then master it.
so many vague words to say absolutely nothing.

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post moar gals

>>386899913
there's a reason why pros hate playing with 6k players.

>>386899979
All high mmr faggots are like this when you confront them about the fact that they dont deserve to be in the bracket. Most of them play at specific times during the day to lower russian percentage. They are just metagaming the shit out of it.

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>>386900017

>>386900090
you're fucking retarded, what about russian pros

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>>386900017

>>386900151
>russian
>pro
:)

>>386900158
>shoes

Reee

Stopped enjoying Dota once they added comeback mechanics. Even after they "dialed it back" it still fundamentally changed the way the game is played in a way I don't enjoy and the healing shrines exacerbated the issue.

>>386899815
>>It is directly linked to a game's technical depth
Technical depth =/= depth.
I also just explained to you how a game with more inputs can be less technically deep than one with fewer.
> I literally explained you the depth of game is the combination of many factors
No you didn't. Your original argument is literally "wahh it only has 4 buttons (which is also wrong to begin with) so it's casual"

>All it requires is training and getting used to it. Where to go? Use simple reasoning.
Anything sounds simple when you minimize it on that level. Just destroy the base! Use simple reasoning.
But the point, like I just told you if you actually open your eyes and read, is that rotation isn't even close to the primary strategy and thought focus required to play dota. You're trying to criticize a game you don't know how to play.

>>386900254
What ruined the game was farming. They fixed this, but because of that, late game heroes are now OP in the early game.

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>>386900224
>actually noticing that shit

>>386900090
Do you have the slightest clue of how popular mobas are in Russia? Russians play CS and mobas all day while drinking vodka, look at the pro players.

>>386900360
you mean look at the asians

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I want to irresponsibly finish inside of wickedscosplay

>>386900331
You fail at reading comprehension majorly so it is no use having a discussion with you.

I hope you simply feel good about yourself when you sit in a bus and hear 12 year olds talking about how they are going to play Dota when they get home, with the likes of you.

>>386894526
The cancer that killed valve

>>386900481
Is that meant to be Slardar?

>>386900540
>no argument
Thanks for admitting you were wrong!

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>>386900540
concession accepted

>>386900641
>scaly
>wings
>thinks thats supposed to be Salad Radar

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>>386900017
Literal best girl with worst winrate

>>386900778
>has lost so many main stage matches shes not drafted or banned anymore
Lmao

im at TI right now, watching liquid eviscerate those chinks felt so good

>>386900778
Post WW porn

>>386901137
It felt great even on stream, last hope for a non-china win. They got this.

>>386900075
wait, im actually retarded.
why do pros hate playing with 6k players

>>386901301
>>386901137
>EU
please go

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>rooting for towelheads

>>386900778
>pick wyvern
>lose
really activates your almonds

>Liquid playing 4D Chess while LGD is playing Checkers

>>386901356
Better than chinks.

>>386901356
>wanting the chinese government to rake in ez millions
go away, china vs china matches fucking suck aside from newbee

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>>386901556
>china vs china matches fucking suck
True, it's much better to watch people try to get instant draft wins with huskar brood.

>>386901345
because they're low skill compared to them and sometimes steal core roles. pros will wait 20 minutes just to queue into a 7k game

>>386894526
Why do the Koreans love LoL but could care less about Dota?

Not that I'm complaining, just look at how Korea dominates the esports scenes of LoL, SC, and OW. Makes for a boring time

>>386894526
7.0 was a mistake, it's too fast and too gank heavy. It's like a more balanced LoL now rather than being its own thing.

1 hero a year? Terrible.

RENTING cosmetics

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>have watched TI every year since 3
>have been to 2 in person with friends (4 and 5)
>still havent played it that much personally because low level play is for masochists
Why is DotA still so ridiculously inaccessible?

>>386901917
Because LoL is all economy race instead of actual strategy, so it has the same appeal to them as SC2

>>386901917
LoL is mindless "do the same thing every game as efficiently as possible" so you can win it by being the most soulless automaton possible.

>>386901917
koreans have shit taste. seriously look at their top games played

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Literally the perfect game, unfortunately since it's a multiplayer-only game it's experience is only as good as it's players which are some of the worst ass cancer you'll ever come across in video games. All the money pooled from hats and compendiums should be contributing to giving each and every player a paid psychiatrist.

>>386901983
https://twitter.com/Cyborgmatt/status/892491016967561216

they also want to focus on new players. new hero probably tonight

>>386900331
Technical depth is a subcategory of depth. Strategic depth is another depth that is often mentioned. You are wrong.

LETS GO LIQUID

>>386901917
>Why do the Koreans love LoL but could care less about Dota?

Because Koreans don't play shit games

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>>386902962
>Koreans dont play shit games
>LoL
>SC2
>OW

>>386903075
None of those are shit games

>>386903224
t. gook

>>386894526
No region lock, it's shit

I tried to like it to start playing it, but HoN broke me. I can't enjoy it, and i stick to this dying game.

I am unironically excited for Artifact

>>386894526
Not enough innovation, still no PvE mode, slow updates.

Runs very well even on toasters, not P2W, can get cosmetics for free and generally well balanced because of how much items are important.

>LGD getting baited this hard

>>386901983
7.0 was a big mistake (as the player numbers show) but I wouldn't call post-7.00 Dota anything like LoL.

Nothing wrong with a low new hero output either.

>>386900347
>Not noticing all windrunners are foot fags
Go back to league

>>386903224
LoL is an objectively bad game

>>386902413
>new hero probably tonight
Is there any actual evidence for this?

>>386903891
No it's not

>>386901983
>7.0 was a mistake, it's too fast and too gank heavy. It's like a more balanced LoL now rather than being its own thing.
But LoL is slow and has very little ganking.

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It is just what I expected from it. It is good, and bad and makes everyone mad and cheer but lately I'm not much into it. I will soon be 29 years old and my reflexes are letting me down, my computer isnt helping too, game sometimes lags and I'm not in the mood to invest myself in this game. It takes too much of you to play it well and a single match can take more than an hour to end and losing it can be really stressful.

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>>386904001
the fact that they always reveal one at TI now and there is a special show coming up now?

>>386894526
Watching the Internationals there were some really fun games but the balance is kind of shitty. Every game has the same 3-4 characters that you've seen played since the beginning. Also the games were a little hard to follow because every single character was decked out in arcana garbage that changed the spell effects on everything.

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>>386904175
burning's 29 and got like top 6 TI

>>386904071
>"strategy" game with only one forced team comp and lane layout you're allowed to use
>grind for years or pay to unlock all the heroes that counter and synergize with each other
>is laughably snowbally when all players are playing optimally, first blood/tower/gold advantage/etc has super high winrates

It's an alright game played on a low to medium level, that's really what it's designed for, but competitively it's an actual joke.

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>>386894526
It would be better if we had region lock

>>386896713
>>386897784
Yeah, a fighter game you just need to learn one combo and how to avoid being pinned down. Wow. Such grown man game.

LIQUID
U
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SYLPH
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>>386904284
But he is a pro and got money doing it, I just want to have fun.

>>386904607
FOUR MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS

this better be a waifu hero

>>386904321
I wish that thing they did with the servers to match people within range worked. Kinda hard to make it work in EU but in SA is so simple but still they manage to make me get matched with peruvians and equatorians wich have simply 250 ping on my servers.

>>386904615
the point being that reflexes alone aren't that important

>>386904691
Sylph is a girly sounding name

I hope its an elf with midriff/cleavage and a nice butt

>>386904793
I know, but not only speed but I sometimes fuck up in precisingly clicking on the target or stupid miss clicks and even worse creep scores than when I even didnt know how what last hit or deny were for.

>>386894526
Valve/Reddit/Whoever fucked it.

two!

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post yfw new furbait hero

An armadillo/pangolin fencer and a fairy, ehh

>>386905295

>loli fairy hero

I'm ready

FAIRY WAIFU
W
A
I
F
U

>>386904959
It's ok pro players do it too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVXxu-seHms

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2 NEW FUCKING HERO

its an alright game that will bring out the worst in you. i spent 3 years of my life dedicated to it, got to an amateur pro level. then i realized that i was playing the game for 12 hours a day and completely stunting myself in other areas for something that i'd never truly be great at. still recovering from all the time i wasted

Was that Raccoon Aladdin voiced by Phil LaMarr?

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fairy waifu saved it

>>386900778
NEED

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I don't think my laptop would run it all too well even lowest settings shit sucks and it's usually not this toasty

This sucks really hard that this is my major drawback from playing this with the yeah yeah girl I still like dicks that I always have to miss out rather than play and get to have fun with her

inb4
>her

She's trans so she's a trap anyway and on her prescriptions

>liking an SJW pink tumblr fairy

kill yourselves

It seems like its fun once you've put enough time into it to really get good. Every once in awhile I'll try to get into it, but the long matches and steep learning curve ultimately keep me from enjoying it.

TWO NEW HEROES
MOTHER
FUCKERS

>>386905716
I can play DotA with everything maxed out on a 760 with an i3

Unless your laptop is literally ancient you could play it by now

I really like the Zorro Pangolin and I think the Fairy is a qt

>>386894526
its trash

i regret the time i spent on it

Imagine still playing fucking dota 2 by gaben the ultra jew in 2017

lmao

Is it me, or is Bloodseeker the easiest hero in the roster. I've just casually been having monster games with him recently without much effort or thinking.

>>386906024
you playing pubs or ranked?

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>that feel when imagining the fairy cosplay at TI8

Im gonna need both hands next year

>>386894526
games take too long so I can't play it anymore even though nothing has changed. Also the player base is just TOO shit to handle. Just too many people letting their kids or adults with no social skills that feed and rage posting when you are off by a pixel or someone makes a mistake.

Its just not fun. I wish dota was a police state where you had to enter your social security and being a dick got you banned for a lengthy amount of time. I would go back in heart beat.

good thing the card game is coming out so I won't have to worry about rage.

>>386906080

International ranked

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The new guys look pretty cool.
But after not playing for a long time it's hard to believe how muddy and low-polygon everything looks. Heroes of the Storm is a pretty casual game so I understand if some people don't like it, but man does it have some gorgeous looking characters.

Fucking hate the game and the retards who keep shilling for it. Bunch of losers who should be shot on sight on these boards

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https://youtu.be/I4iESoQzbB0?t=99

Here you go faggots

>>386905437
Stop trying to make me feel good, senpai :3

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>>386906082
>liking cosplay sluts
go away, normalfag

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Just a fucking fairy and puss and boots.
Valve strikes again with its garbage.

why do the new heroes look like league champs?

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>>386905867

>>386906160
They look like something from Paladins.

>>386906349
because they are trying to make dota appeal to league and hotsbabbies, like with the talent patch

>>386906349
Because they want that audience.

>>386904780
They had it for a week and then removed it because Europeans were complaining and BRs kept losing games but that week was glorious.

>Friend unironically thinks Dota has fast releases
It took them years to get pit lord out, yet he thinks new Champs are gonna be done in a month

>>386906402
talents are better then stats and add more late game viability to shit heroes

>>386906386
Fencer definitely, but the fairy is too weirdly cutesy for Paladins. It's more like a Strife character, I especially get that vibe from the cinematic.

>>386894526
pre-gayfrog was better.

>>386894526
Unironically one of the best games ever
As shitty as Valve is I wouldn't want it in the hands of any other company.

>>386906538
it also completely destroys the core concept of dota when heroes can get +60 damage from a talent for free and not need to grind out over 6k gold worth of items to attain that

as an esport it's pretty fun to watch

the thing I hated about LoL was having to grind levels to unlock ranked, grind to unlock stupid gay runes, and also they even make you link your twitch to facebook to even post in the tournament streams.

also dota2 seems like it's less focused on grinding last hits. I might try playing it a bit

>>386906402
I believe that Talent trees are much better than just adding stat points. It can give nice twists and make supports and early game heroes a bump in the late game.

>>386906630
don't worry those carry rubiks, CM, lion, and lich are definitely gonna take over the meta

>>386906349
Care to provide how you think that?
Because they arn't low poly models with low res textures?

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>>386906554
>Too cutesy for paladins

Except they've been in paladins for a month or two now.

>>386906736
see >>386906630

>>386906751
nobody mentioned mage supports, so why are you?

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>>386903224

>>386906349
They don't. If they did, they'd just be humans. I'd say, at the very least, they don't look like heroes that fit the dota aesthetic.

>>386906858
but those games are fun

>>386906842
because those are the only ones with that +60 damage talent your crying about oh so much?

>>386906842
it gives heroes what they need to stay viable throughout the game
it serves to stop a team from winning at pickphase

>>386906181
>haha hey a new skin for dazzle nice
>its a new hero
>oh thats cool I might come back for that for like a game or two
>oh hey a second hero wooow ok thats alright

Its alright

I have a couple thousand hours played. currently uninstalled with no real chance of reinstalling.

Looking forward to Artifact.

I just wish they'd dive deeper into the lore. Valve is ridiculously slow with comics and shit.

>>386906842
>60 damage
>6k
>Divine rapier gives 330 damage
What are you trying to imply here?

>>386906997
not all heroes are MEANT to be viable at all stages of the game, that is the point of dota. if you are an early/mid game team then you need to win before late game rolls around.

it's almost like you people never played pre-allstars dota, or even wc3 dota in the first place.

>>386907114
They should just fucking hire Slacks to do that shit already. He'd do it with the biggest smile on his face and it would also be very interesting.

>>386907148
divine rapier is also a nonstandard item that is rarely bought because all it takes is 1 gank and your team has lost the game.

>>386906997
I thought they were for those 5 support games where you need to pull a right clicker out of your ass

>>386907216
what if they gave spectre a buff on her passive, would she be THE late game hero?

>>386906892
>they don't look like heroes that fit the dota aesthetic.

They look alright, Puss in Boots has a really great silhouette. I think it's just they don't fit into any of the knight/shadow/assassin/spirit categories the Allstar Dota heroes fall under.

>>386907216
The point of balancing the game is make all heroes good at something. Thats why you see in Dota tournaments over than 100 heroes picked at least once. You are totally wrong on that assumption because since icefrog took over dota thats what he is trying to do, make every hero viable on it's own way.

>>386907216
I'd say talents still don't make all heroes viable late. It's not like CM will all of a sudden wipe your team with that +300 nova damage. She can now push lanes a lot better though but getting her to 25 in the first place is a rough stretch. It's not too often supports even hit their 25 talents unless the game goes on really really long.

>>386907216
pre allstars dota developers made their own game you should try it
its called league of legends
there only half of the hero pool getting picked at tournaments is considered a success and every champion has 10 minutes of time to shine each game (early, mid or late game)

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>>386907280
I'm hoping Artifact opens up a bit of the lore. For real though, more than anything I'd love to play a CRPG set in the dotaverse

>>386907216
LOL no one played old ass dota

>>386906759
Oh well, I haven't played since they fucked everyone over by turning their innate abilities into super legedary cards or whatever.

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>>386907595
>no denies
>runes and masteries
>everyone has flash
Nah. Pendragon also didn't make original dota, he just hosted the playdota website.

>>386907412
I didn't mean I hated the way they looked. I think they look interesting but I wouldn't fault a person for thinking they were from a different game. I just hope their voice lines aren't "leagey" and lul so randumb quirky. Valve's done a great job with monkey king being a giant hubris asshole so I'm not too worried.

>>386896368
like in cash pool size? LoL has a larger player base so it would make sense they have more viewership

WHERE IS MY SYLPH PORN REEE

>>386907776
they stole half their champions from the playdota suggestions subforum
teemo and rammus for example

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>>386907656
>no one played old ass dota
>people were bitching about dota being too popular and destroying every other custom game because lobbies are just filled with dota, before allstars was even a thing

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>>386907940
>tfw she'll never make your forest unsafe

>>386901703
They walked right into that. And as much as I loved Timbersaw, it really isn't going to do any good as midsaw, it just doesn't have the early burst.

>>386901703
Huskar dazzle brood you mean.

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>that feel when the Grand Finals wont be called by Ayesee and Draskyl

>>386908950
>listening to anyone but v1lat

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Nice try Valve but League has the superior furry characters

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>>386909145
>furry
>anything but absolute garbage
go away animal rapist

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>>386908950
>the bagels will never turn into breadsticks

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>500 MMR
>1200 hours
Should I just quit? Am I wasting my time?

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>>386909145
League steals every one of their characters though.

>>386909276
>tfw openai is already pro player level in 2 weeks

>>386909256
>Hammers wont be dropped
>Sabers wont be rattled
>Won't be a day late and a dollar short

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does dota2 got big boobs in it?

>>386906349
they dont, too many polygons

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>>386909470
>Arcade Hecarim
>MLP
This has gotta be bait

>>386909470

It's actually Season 3

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>>386909739
>Defending Riot's bullshit
Shill elsewhere, thank you

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>>386909276
>>500 MMR

>>386909893
>yugioh invented Ra
You're retarded.

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>>386909679
not really. just lina and qop

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>>386909893
>MLP again
>Yugioh invented Egyptian birb
God damn it's like Barneyfag bullshit.

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>>386894526
one day i will get to 3k one day T_T

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>>386909958
You're despicable, Riot shill.

>>386909958
>falling for it
Your retarded.

>>386910006
Hate Dota Lina for trying to be Slayers Lina then only going quarterass on it. Either have her be her own fire mage or make her Slayers, not have two spells based on Inverse and throw the rest out.

>>386910125

>>386894815
this
its fun to watch TI even if I dont play, but i cant imagine playing with a pug

>>386910128
autism

>>386910006
On the bright side, you're able to zoom in on their models ingame with that cinematic mode. I'm pretty sure that's it's only real use.

>>386898891
There is no time to explain.

Get in.

>>386906160
>Heroes of the Storm is a pretty casual game so I understand if some people don't like it
The reason to not like that is the blizzard balancing, you have characters that have an amazing combination of good abilities and good talents and some which have fucking nothing. That is made worse thanks to the fact that teams share levels and there are no items.

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>>386894526
it's incredible, really just amazing

>>386906630
But putting that on stats has a similar effect since you're getting health attack speed, mana and whatnot.

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I wanna FUCK Sylph!

i really want to play dota 2 but years of league has ruined me. i suck so fucking bad at dota i just end up getting frustrated and quitting. its happened like 4 times already. feels bad man.

This looks neat https://youtu.be/l92J1UvHf6M

>>386911425
Just play EZ heroes like Zeus and Wraith King

>>386911732
ai vs ai tournaments would be cool as hell

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>>386911425
just relax my maaan, half the fun of dota is the learning experience

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>>386912238
thanks, arnold.

>>386911732
>>386912050
The AI stuff will be neat when you add strategy, roles and roaming especially. Timings and shit are really important

>>386906736
In theory it does, in practice it helps farmers and cores more because they reach levels 20 and 25 far earlier and can thus capitalize on these talents far earlier.

People also like to talk about the increased depth talents add but I consider it mostly bullshit because it's only a skin-deep comparison. Your talent tree is almost always decided at the start of the game. What will sometimes alter it is how far ahead or behind you are when you pick the talent, but it is minimal (whether you pick +200 health or +25 damage does not change where you laned, or which items you will build or how you will play going forward). The talents do not create new builds in interesting ways: the talents that modify abilities come up way too late to justify an entire build (e.g. Windranger's Powershot build is a dumb meme), and the ones that create new builds (such as mage Ember Spirit or carry Lone Druid) do so by giving you a ton of stats for an extremely low investment (one levelup point is nothing, compare +12% spell amp to one rank in any non-primary spell).

Compare this to the builds +stats created. Let's take mid Warlock, for example (which is the highlight of +stats but that's what the game lost when it switched to talents): it allowed for Warlock to be played in a completely different position (pos 2 instead of support) and requires him to invest several points into +stats, making his other spells much weaker since the player simply did not have the levelup points to rank up everything he wants). Even for the less interesting builds, many of these characteristics remain: AM with +stats does not have points in his other spells, and neither does Juggernaut. It is also true that +stats were not used often, but I'd argue this is because players, including professionals, had not experimented enough with them. Warlock mid was a fairly new thing in pro play, for example.
(1/2)

>>386913197
Other downsides of the talent system include being intimidating to new players, since it asks them to make irreversible choices whose cost and value they cannot gauge (as opposed to +ranks, which are mostly ignorable until you get into higher play), and adding in far too many power spikes to the experience curve, along with giving the player far too much power from leveling up. Some heroes' weaknesses are also almost completely mitigated by talents (e.g. Windranger's mana problems). The problem with this is that the hero strengths and weaknesses being emphasized is a staple of Dota's hero design and gameplay.

All in all, talents are redundant with several of the game's pre-existing systems. In an abstract sense, they function similarly to items, but with a pathetically low amount of possible combinations. The idea of uniquely modifying your spells also existed in the form of Aghanim's Scepter - which is better designed because upgraded spells play into the items system which requires the player to make a hard choice and a gold investment, and as a result the upgraded spell can be much stronger and gotten at any point during the game.

>>386906981
Lone Druid has a +50 damage talent, Shadow Fiend has a +2 damage per soul talent which is in effect a +72 damage talent, Sven has a +65 damage talent, Tiny has a +60 damage talent, Lina has a +50 damage talent, Mirana has a +50 damage talent, TA has a +40 damage talent. Those are all heroes that can right-click very well.