Is he canonically the strongest Megaten protagonist?

I dunno maybe

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>>386824647
Not even close.

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If you count the admin ending, yeah he's up there with Nanashi and Abel.

>>386824789
>aleph
>eternally punished by YHVH
>god tier

>demifiend
>killed by Lucifer alone who is holding back
>god tier

>seraph
>fights a train then dies
>god tier

>DeSu protag
>struggles against Betatron
>god tier

>>386824647
If autism is a power yeah

>>386824647
yes, his autism gives him retard strength

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>>386824789
you forgot the true god tier antagonist

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The strongest right here cannonly

>>386825972
persona ending didn't happen

>>386826034
of course the other ending proves he is the strongest

>>386825959
More like School Shooter tier.

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>>386824789
Where's /ourgirl/?

>>386824789
Outdated tier list. Doesn't take into account break record and IVa.

Can I play DDS on PS4? Or should I just settle down for emulation?

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>>386824789
Fixed

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The closest he gets is in Break Record's Alcor ending. But I don't recall him having the absolute authority to, say, destroy the universe, that Nanashi gets.

>>386826638
Savestates are very comfortable to use for SMT games.

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>>386826732
>the dog is nof Asahi

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Reminder that the next SMT game is for Switch.

>>386826883
Feel free to make an edit of your own.

Demifiend power is exaggerated by fans. He should be dropped down a tier.

>>386826821
I try not to use savestates when emualting since I'm not of teenage age.
The shadows overlapping with models in DDS really ticks me off.

>>386826967
Eh, in the stephen fight he is the only protag that can do big damage outside of nanashi

>>386827013
I use savestates to save time. Like if I get stuck on a boss I savestate before it so I don't have to spend time running back. It's nice when you don't have much time for video games between work and social life.

That said respect to the people who choose to not use them even when playing in emulator.

Also the shadows overlapping is something you stop thinking about after awhile. At least that was the case for me when I played Nocturne.

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He's certainly the glibbest

>>386824647
>This autistic fuck made every single party member in his game male or female wet for him.
How? is autism just a desirable character trait in the Desu universe?

>>386824647
Yeah, he can just delete anyone who even bothers to try opposing him.

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>>386828736
>Makoto knocks on the door
>always answer with "Pervert"
bullying Makoto was fun

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>>386825154
Demifiend is canonically bullshit, since he's immune to everything with the exceptions being elements that didn't exist in SMT3 (Earth in DDS, Gun in 4A). He's your main muscle in the diamond realm.

>>386826646
>moving doomguy into normalfag tier
Peoples say he's just a vending machine because they don't savescum his stat growth so they end up with a pussy ass weak nigger, doomguy can still solo his game with the right build

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>>386829690
what's the matter marine-kun? could it be youre... craivng my mcAsura Roga???

>>386826821
>implying it feels "right"
Felt wrong with KMT and SMT1.
Fuck 2 though, barely any damn terminals

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>>386829289
>You will never sniff her hand

How can one girl be so best.

Fuck Ronaldo and if you ever sided with him you're a cunt

>>386830783
>do Ronaldo's fate line that ends with him coming to believe that it's more important to save lives than it is to further his crusade against jyppes
>shortly after he attempts to kill Makoto in cold blood
Talk about whiplash.

>>386825154
Demifiend was said to be significantly stronger than Lucifer himself in Imagine and is constantly wanked over in basically all the material about him. It's heavily implied they were successful in overthrowing the Great Will too considering Demifiend is still around, aimlessly drifting through the Amala, and looking for a purpose in DDS.

Either way, the games are inconsistent as fuck in their portrayal of the relative strength all these different entities and gods possess, it's dumb as fuck trying to compare them and stuff them into some weird sort of tier list.

>>386826821
They completely run counter to the games' design. Fuck off with that shit

>>386831234
>doing record breaker route
>Ronaldo's idea is to defeat every fucking star and administrator that comes back when we regress the world
fucking Ronaldo

>>386831489
I meant the Triangulum route/arc before you choose which ending you want, I went with Yamato/Miyako

>>386831489
>>386831538
Yeah, I know what you meant.
At least that idea is metal as fuck

>>386831238
>It's heavily implied they were successful in overthrowing the Great Will too considering Demifiend is still around, aimlessly drifting through the Amala, and looking for a purpose in DDS.
Well he didn't since the great will is still around during the events of apocalypse.

>>386831798
Stuffing IV/A in the same continuity as the rest of the games is the absolute single most retarded thing. It makes absolutely no sense.
The Diamond Realm shit in particular is complete fanfiction and goes against everything we know about a lot of these characters.

>>386824647
I had to triple check because I thought that was Arata from Cyber sleuth and I got really confused

>>386824647
Why the hell did you post the rival Guy from Cyber Sluts

>>386831891
>amala network makes everything canon.
>Great will is the one being above the amala network
Unless there are two great wills the one who is retarded is you.

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>>386832006
Because its the same artist who does the art for Cybersluts

>>386824789
You did not even include Nanashi. That guy is the toppest tier in SMT

>>386832235
Ah, that explains it

It's still a carbon fucking copy holy shit

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>>386832235
Fumi!

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>no panties
>bra visible

>>386832235
>>386832435
I'm going to pierce foomy

>>386831621
>>386831489
It's the most retarded and amazing ending in smt

>>386826821
>>386830730
Get out and don't come back until you beat the game without savestates, casual scum

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>>386832690

Well, he can control Akashic Record, which can rewrite the entire multiverse but since Desu2 is a completely different verse, it's likely ineffective. He also has 4 factor that make him invicible and one-shot the enemy, but I'm not sure it can apply to other Gods

>>386832235
>the same artist

name pls ?

>>386824647
*steals ur heart*

>>386832114
The Great Will does not exist in IV/A and neither does the Amala.
Using the Amala Network as an excuse to establish some sort of connection in the most arbitrary cases is retarded, the higher beings in the world connected by the Amala are all still the same; there's only one Lucifer, only one Kagutsuchi, only one Great Will. IV/A's world is entirely it's own thing no matter how much people try to read into things that are kept purposefully vague and try and establish some sort of continuity and connection between all the different games.

>>386832963
Suzuhito Yasuda

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Io

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>>386833048
Best bro. Her death is pretty fucking brutal too.

>>386832984
Theoretically he and Goro could be the strongest since they can attack anyone through the metaverse without their knowledge. It just depends on how much characters strengths in the real world match with their cognition

ONE MORE GOD REJECTED

>>386833129
Considering that a retired Olympian was weaker than a geriatric artist, a fat fuck launderer, a hallucination, a CEO, and a politician, i don't think physical strength correlates

DeSu protag is so cool.

>>386832997
The great will does exist in IV, but it was localized as the axiom.
Amala multiverse is the name of the entire smt verse.

>>386833389
The Axiom is not the Great Will, they couldn't be any more different.
The Great Will is an entity with an expressed individuality and purpose, while the Axiom is more like a concept, a collective unconsciousness of absolutely everything, and entirely passive - It never acts itself, it doesn't even the ability, nor desire, to influence anything.

There is no, absolutely zero, reason to believe every SMT game is connected by the Amala. The Amala Network exists in SMT3 and in SMT3's multiverse an infinite number of different worlds are connected by it. As far as I'm aware there is absolutely no mention or reference of it in any game other than DDS1/2 with the Terminals, Brahman, and Demifiend himself showing up.

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>>386833684
>As far as I'm aware there is absolutely no mention or reference of it in any game other than DDS1/2 with the Terminals, Brahman, and Demifiend himself showing up.
And guess who showed up in IVA as well?

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>>386824789
>>386826646
>not posting the official /smtg/

>>386833889
If you had played IVA you'd know that that's not the actual Demifiend.

>>386834006
>T-this one doesn't count because it doesn't fit my headcanon.
Here is my last (you)

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>>386829289
>>386833072

>>386834206
It helps if you actually play those games and don't just skim through wiki articles, you know?
I assume that's what you are doing since they make it quite clearly what those past-SMT protagonists popping up in the Diamond Realm are when Stephen decides he's bored and wants to fuck about a bit more.

>>386833889
>version of demifiend that's yhvh's bitchboi
>even though its impossible to side with yhvh in nocturne
m-muh amala

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What if there are infinite Demifiends?

>>386824647
He's pretty high up there since Break Record at the very least. Primal factors of the universe are some pretty potent things. It's a shame that they powercreeped Abel so hard though.

>>386831489
I always do that as my first ending due to how fucking retarded and awesome it is. Yes, it's something a rock could think up, but like hell am I passing that opportunity up.

>>386834612
>being this retarded.
Iva Demi said that he was fighting lucifer which means he was doing the tde.

>>386834743
What if (you) were a demifiend?

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will we ever get another female protag?

>>386835089
Hopefully never

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>>386834003

>Tamaki that low

She's only nerfed outside of the Expanse.

>>386835089

Hopefully.

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You're buying Alex's game right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-nLwCaUaE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5DDpV-7xiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmndfArw-ME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8NZqTft0S8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DtreWZLhHY

>>386834003
>Karma is a bitch.
>Joker.
Why?

>>386829690
>SH weaker than Raidou and Devil Summoner 1 protag
The fuck is this?

>>386835712
>3DS game
>buying
I'll think about it.

>>386835774
He fucked with the man steering Japan's future that's what

>>386835774

That choice still annoys me. He belongs in Extraordinary at best.

>>386835814

Hacker-kun doesn't have powers. It's all in his GUMP and those Demon Swords.

>>386835774
Probably because he ends up spending a couple of months in juvie.

>>386835904
Not if you put everything into STR.

>>386835971
If that is why then door should be in karma is a bitch tier toom

>>386835904
You fight (what I assume is a copy) the DS1 protag, and two (actual) Raidous.

>>386836024
These tiers are stupid anyway.
The hug tier list is much better.

>>386836015

>He believes the World of STR meme

Go DEX, go MAG, or go home.

>>386836043

That was a set of extra missions only in the remake. Also, it's Raido and Raidou. There's a difference.

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>>386835712
Mastema is fucking fabulous

>>386835712
>friend of humanity Mastema is voiced by Kira Yoshikage
Of course I'm buying it. Just make it release normally in Europe.

>>386836141
>Raido and Raidou. There's a difference
I know, I just didn't feel like putting both of their names.
>That was a set of extra missions only in the remake
Also are those not canon or something?

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>>386836141
>SH
>MAG
Nigga you retarded.

I really like DeSu2's protag's design. All of it works well together. However, I feel like DeSu 1 has better characters and interactions with them. Basically, DeSu 1's protag is better.

>>386836273

Fuck that's right, you had Nemissa for that. Touche anon.

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>>386836182
>Just make it release normally in Europe.
You and I both know that won't happen;_;

>>386836345
Could you make Nemissa WORLD OF STR?

>>386836392
You could, but that would be very unwise.

>>386835712
I hope we get the option to kill Nukiko

>>386836516
She's a big demon girl

>>386836603
Would Hitome still know some magic after Nemissa is gone?

>>386836182
>edgy spic voiced by Rohan Kishbe
What a coincidence

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>>386836387
It's gotten a little better than it used to be, at least.

which cyber sleuth chapter is this from

>>386836691
No, why would she? It was Nemissa who was casting it, not her body.

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>>386836815
This one, you need to beat the game 3 times to unlock it

>>386834003
Remember that nanashi fight YHVH with help from their companion. So Nanashi should in the same ranking as flynn since he was fight alongside with him.

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>>386837565
>nanashi fight YHVH with help from their companion.
maybe if youre a BITCH

>>386837565
Don't forget Satan! Satan is your most faithful companion.

>>386837632
>toki will never stroke you off

>>386837565
The only reason YHVH actually dies is because of Nanashi though,
If we're gonna be specific about it, all the SMT protagonists should be on the same level because they are all Messiahs. Aside from Demifeind.

>>386837784
Could be anyone in Nanashi's place. All the gods need to permanently kill each other is a fucking human zombie puppet.

>>386828736
Literally 1/8 of these are meme garbage. The rest are funny or fine or good writing

>>386824789
>>386826646
>>386834003
>Door above Chad

Bitch can't even summon without an evoker

>>386837927
Dadga did things differently though.
Kirishna tried to merge with Flynn to become a Godslayer instead, so maybe Dadga did things improperly?
Either way, Nanashi was a Messiah too.

>>386838102
But he sealed away the human embodiment of the desire for death.
All Ziodynecock did was dispel the fog of ignorance.

>>386824789
Isnt one of the demons in Soul Hackers a final boss in Persona?

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>>386837784
>YHVH actually dies

>>386838102
I thought that the universe arcana had a higher power level than the world.

>>386838215
And Nyx is a bartender in Nocturne. What's your point?

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>>386838182
Chad would've sealed it without dying

>>386838253
Hackerman should be above Persona 3 protag

>>386824647
I'm going to try out DeSu games, which one is better 1 or 2?

>>386838247
Door is a special snowflake that needed a superspecial arcana created for him because he's such a bitch

>>386838509
Most people prefer 1's story but both are good in their own way.

>>386838509
DeSu 1 has the better plot, DeSu 2 has an endearing protagonist and not!S.Links.
Musically I prefer 1 to 2, but that's just my opinion.
DeSu 2 has very slightly improved gameplay to 1, at least in the remakes. Certainly not anything make or break at least.

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>>386838230
Technically yeah, and he stays dead if you become the new Supreme Being.

>>386838307
No, he wouldn't.
Though I o enjoy the Chad meme.

>>386838230
In Anarchy YHVH does die permanently because you destroy the universe where people acknowledged him as a God. In Bonds you pretty much do nothing because people still start trusting in him sooner or later so he will return again one day

>>386838509
Both are really good! The gameplay is both is similar, and the music is great. If I recall correct, 2 has less grinding, but both are really fun, well worth the play.

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>>386838687
>tallest Persona protagonist
Wrong.

>>386838710
He will only stay dead in the one true good ending in IV which is considered a bad ending for whatever reason

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>>386838787
Persona 2 was great

>>386838787
>Persona 1 & 2
Literally don't matter

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>implying any of these normies can resist hacking

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>>386824647
without milk

DeSu 3 when?

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>>386839470
never

>>386839470
Never, gotta milk Persona and Persona IVA more.

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>>386839470
after Soul Hackers 2, Soul Hackers: Dancing All Night and Soul Hackers: Arena

>>386839621
>nice cloak dude
kek this could actually be in the game

>tfw Atlus is too busy remaking old games to actually work on a proper sequel to any of them

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>>386839762

Can somebody make a gif of the beginning of the mastema video? I had a hard drive failure recently and cannot do it myself

>>386840824
>moshi moshi
that gif must be old as fuck

>>386840946
I'll try, 20 mins for a webm tops.

>>386840954
>/13
nevmind

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>>386841098
>>386840946

>>386841702
For a second there I expected him to have a Toddface.

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>>386841763
Buy my game, son of man.

>>386841702
Fucking perfect thank you, son of man.

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>>386841763
That could be arranged if I had good video editing software.
>>386842015
Special edition or regular?

>>386839762
Based Spooky.

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>>386832963
Yasuda is a master of two women types:

Bubbly, starry eyed cowtits, and smug grin :> shaped mouth cowtits. Choose your fighter.

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>>386842328
______Both______

>>386824789
>doomguy that high
>the guy who is as strong as late game Demi that low
Shit list, as expected of nusmtg

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>>386842476
Also he draws skin indentation which is probably THE most important thing to ever draw when putting a woman in leggings.

You may not think much of it, but it's a bigger thing than you realize.

>>386842476
>Bubbly, starry eyed cowtits
Literally starry eyed? Like Elphelt? Post some of those.

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>>386838787
>Both are 5'11
Only based Kanji and Eikichi are not manlets throughout the series

>>386842634
Yes sir

>>386842681
Who, bunny or SMT1 protag unless you're not talking about normalfag tier?

>>386834003
Didn't Joker literally defeat god?

>>386846029
Not really a God, a manifestation of the desires of Humanity that took the guise of a God.
It probably had God-like powers but can't truly be a God and even in Gnostic mythology Yaldy/The Demiurge is a pussy pretender.

Hence why Joker and Satanel can save Christmas.

>>386845320
SMT1 Hero. It makes no sense for him to be that low after the dlc.

>>386846029
So? Yu fucks a goddess on a daily basis.

>>386839762
but Soul Hackers 2 happened it was a japanese pre-smartphone phone game

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>>386846298
>fucking only a 1/4 in the game by the time he dies in the nukes
>doesn't even have Masakado's Katana or Kagutsuchi
>able to keep up with the end game protags
What is this guy made of?

>>386846823
He can get Kusanagi.

>>386834003
Who is that next to Flynn?
P1 protag?

>>386847063
Nah, pretty sure that's SMT IF.

>>386846976
Bot that eraly in the game. Just imagine how broken late game Hero would be.
DLC Hero was just starting his joruney, he was a neet buying coffee for his mother a couple of days ago.

>>386847185
Nah, tamaki is standing by the door

>>386847063
that's the OG MC himself, nakajima

>>386847208
>Goes from being a N.E.E.T. crushing on Law's girl to being Adam of a new world.
How can one N.E.E.T. be so powerful?

>>386847341
>that's the OG MC himself, nakajima
"The guy who let his teacher get raped by Loki" Nakajima?

>>386847452
Yes. Joker could learn a thing or two from him.
>dating your teacher
>daring your tracher who is also a prostitute
what the fuck Joker

>>386847452
Yeah, you know him well. Akemi "I'll show Inanna what it means to give birth to a new universe." Nakajima

>>386824647
Wait, which bunny are we talking about in here? highschool bunny, Ronaldo's eternal warfare ending bunny, heavenly throne bunny with gay rhomboid sword?mag/vit build bunny ?

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>>386847671
Joker understands that cakes need more love too.
Besides, all that means is that she knows how to fuck real good.

>>386847428
>once his mission is complete he goes back to being a neet and dies like a bitch
2deep4me

>>386848018
All part of fucking God's plan.
Might've reincarnated as Aleph and fucked Hiroko, so in the end he still wins.

>>386847428
>>386847208
Was he a NEET? He had a friend who was dressed in a uniform but granted that guy never seemed to go out
>can crush rocks with his bare hands
How can anyone even compete?

>>386848014
>joker is a filthy normalfag
>makes out with a human toilet on a daily basis
Nakajima disapproves.

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>>386848307
>>joker is a filthy normalfag
>Joker "Too Smug For God" PT.
>Normalfag.
Besides, Joker's canon soulmates are the Velvet Lolis.

>>386848139
Hero can't reincarnate. I guess it's because the Great Will fears him the most.
>>386848167
He was too cool for school.

>>386848537
>Hero can't reincarnate.
He'd fuck it raw.

Shrinky-shrinky

How was SMTIVA?

>>386848917
You have a cool dad.

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>>386842681
Just you wait till we get Yukiko's game, he'll have a friendship ending where he overshadows even uncle skeleton and godmode bunny put together.

>>386848917
Daddy Dadga was a fucking lovely bastard.
If you follow him, you fix the system completely without any room for Golden Picard to fuck things further.

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>>386824647
H e sure does look like a faggot, i bet he's wearing that bunnyhood and loving it like the limp wristed sissy he is.

>>386848950
>Breath of mem aleph
>brilliance of humanity
>normalfag but relied on Zelenin's voice
>the friendship of not-Yukiko's thighs
If the neutral ending was happy outside of the loss of the reps, Arthur and the issue of humanity not listening, what will go on with the new ending? How happy will it get?

>>386849198
Fuck off Emps you hypocrite asshole.

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>>386849402
Probably something along the lines of harnessing space Yukiko's technology to create portals to other dimensions and bring them together with meta-Gores and law-approved spores.

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>>386835712
>Demeter

>>386850305
I need more Louisa Ferre

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>>386842634
>>386843548

have another

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>>386848504

>>386850816
HWRD is the reason why I went down the best route
the torrent route

>>386824789
But Bunny became a god though and Blue Hair Jesus had the power of the universe on his hands and then there is of course Nanashi who became a literal god killing machine

>>386824647
Has varying endings.
His power varies from being a governor of the universe that has the power to remake existence as an admin, to a kid who can fight with demons.
Since Triangulum forces you to always have at bare minimum the powers of the factors (Power over Heat, Space, Time, and Gravity),>>386824789 this list is incredibly innaccurate. At minimum he'd be tier 3.

>>386825154
>seraph
>fights a train then dies
He actually stays behind and doesn't reincarnat so he can go in alternate timelines help both Serph and Sera achieving enlightnment

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>>386848014
>oh! Is this perhaps your mother?

Fuck, he is right. She looks like her mom

>>386850305
>I want Lucifer in drag

This is how you sound

>>386838116
Krishna fucked up because he tried to be both a god and a human observer when he fused with Flynn, Nanashi wasn't a divine being, Dagda just kept ressurrecting his while giving him his power instead of taking the ability to collapse the wave function of the gods

>>386851307
I want to fuck Louis.
i want to take care of grandpa Louis needs.
I want to be pegged by Louisa
Fuck IV and IVA

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>>386848504
Fucking Joker living the dream.

>>386824789
>>386826646
Are you people retarded?

He's the administrator

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>>386849198
>>386849479

>read the last book
>Emp can talk after 10k years but he didnt want to
>nag at his son even when he is trying to save humanity from chaos
>has the balls to said the did nothing wrong and that the others fuck him by not following his commands blindly
>I never give two fucks about people, it was all about saving the idea of humanity as the ultimate race against anything else in the universe
>by the way my son I know you love me the most after Horus but know this: I never loved any of you, you are nothing but tools, defective tools because you all fail me
>now go, try to fix YOUR fuck up if you can

Man, the Emperor is perfect for smt as a neutral route

The strongest megaten character is probably Steven honestly.
>Fights 4 Protags trying 2 of which are broken as fuck
>Seemingly only was slightly injured and didn't really try.

>>386852090
Thankfully the Tyranids will wipe out all life in the galaxy if those faggots remember they exist and are infact invencible

>>386851981
Even if he wasn't going for that ending he also mandatorily will get all the factors of universal control aside from "Master of Life."

Why don't people like Doomguy as much

>>386852195
Nah. He eas too much of a pussy to summon post flood Hero.

>>386828736
Honestly all those choices reminds me of playing a Malkavian in Vampire the masquerade.

>>386852612
I love him, but he is really not that strong.
His law/chaos representatives suck ass too.

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>>386852612

You cant mini-max him and in both chaos and law routes he is boring.

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>>386824647
No.

>>386824789
This tier list is also terrible. Speesh marine is canonically pretty strong when you factor in the endgame that he's combing magic and demon skills with an enhanced suit of power armor.

>>386825134
No, he isn't. He can still die of old age even as the new owner of the Akashic Records.

>>386852793
>can solo the Demiurge
>not strong

>>386852963
You can in the endgame if you grind enough forma

>>386838247
The Universe is another name for The World. Still Door-kun is canonically stronger than Chad-kun

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>>386852793
>he's not really that strong
He beats both the Demiurge and Mem Aleph on his own after the same Demiurge one-shots Metatron with a literal bitch-slap and Mem Aleph even says its his power that defeats her. Yeah he's not strong if you take away his DEMONICA suit but regardless he's a high tier with it after getting shit like the Sword of Heaven, the Peacemaker Gun, etc...

>>386853341
Not really. Door-kun has to sacrifice himself to hold Nyx back in check. Nyx is pretty low tier as far as antagonists go compared to the Bels, Lucifer, Ed Bighead, Mem Aleph, Satan, Brahmin, etc...

>>386853369
Do we know anything more about DSJ yet?

>>386853505
Yeah but Chad-kun didn't fight any of those, he just fought some angry roastie.

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>>386851307
>he doesnt want lucifer in drag

>>386853646
>>386853341
Whose Chad-Kun? Yu/P4? MC from P5?

>>386853795
P4 MC

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>>386853649
Would you fuck this?

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>>386853795
When you hear chad, who came up in your mind?

>everyone at peak performance in tier lists except Doomguy

>>386853649
Lucy is cute

>>386853884
I'd have to be a lawfag not to

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>>386853893

>>386853956
Peak performance?

>>386854053
But you'd have to bottom for her!

>>386854312
Not if I beat her and prove my right to top. I'm gonna use all my best spells to pierce her defenses

>>386838102
Chad also can't summon without an evoker, he's only able to do it without in the TV world (and spinoffs equivalents)

P3 protag is literally Jesus though

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>>386853795
There is only one Chad Ziodynecock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV99oYiopi4

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>>386854061
>Not posting them

what are you, gay? just post anything lewd you got, honestly.

Can you still use just MC IN P5 to level faster?

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>>386854653
So he and Joker are brothers huh?

>>386854653
>unlikable emo
>doesn't marry a prostitute
Joker has more in common with jesus than MC.

>>386829473
soo, how do you pronounce that /v/? is it Freak-uu-jewel?

>>386854653
That's pretty low

>>386855072
Fray-kuu-gull
Is how I pronounce it.

>>386824647

I want to slap his cute butt.

>>386855072
Fray-koo-gle

>>386824647
Short answer: No.

Slightly longer: He doesn't kill an actual god, just the equivalent of a high ranking angel. His competition includes Hawk and Nanashi, both actual godslayers with Nanashi becoming god. Kazuya from DeSu1 is also more notable than him as he survived an ordeal without a small military and can go on to become Jesus or start a fight against God.

Why does Lucifer go from the antithesis of YHVH in SMT1-3 to an aspect of Satan, a servant of YHVH, in SMT4?

>>386855406
Canopus is only the equal of a high ranking angel?

>>386854568
But the P3 cast can't summon outside of the Dark Hour, or can they?

>>386854653
No.

>>386855406
Polaris possesses power over creation, she certainly is above the angels.

>>386855568
They can in Arena, or at least Akihiko and Fuuka can. Don't know about the others

>>386855475
>>386855667
Maybe above the angels, but she's not wiping out timelines and ruling multiverses like YHVH. Maybe we should turn this into a strongest antagonist thread.

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>>386834003
>Joker above actual literal Jesus Christ
Joker is about as strong as Yu and is 100% not as powerful as Maya, Tatsuya or Door.

The only reason he beat the Demiurge is thanks to Mishima, and the matchup.

>>386854978
>That version of the myth of Satanael
What? I hope that's AtlUSA fucking something up because the Demiurge isn't God and Satanael isn't Satan.

>>386855913
And the only reason MC beat Nyx is...
Wait, he didn't defeat Nyx.

>>386855907
He wipes out the being who assigns the gods.
Polaris possessed the capability to wipe out all of existence, control time, and create new universes from scratch.
Canopus is above her and is stated to be an unfathomable being that lives outside of any multiverse.
Bunny and friends destroy them with ease and will always have power over heat, gravity, space, and time by that point. By no means am I saying he's stronger than Nanashi, who does it solo, but he's certainly not weak.

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>>386853138
>Aleph's fly as fuck visor helmet
>bottom tier
>while a bunch of boring ass beanies in mid tier

>>386856239
None of the Megaten protags are weak. I didn't mean to imply that.

>>386856132
>Wait, he didn't defeat Nyx.

The entire second half of persona 3 was the characters saying again and again "Nyx cannot be defeated"

Also, please don't dillude the purpose of persona 3.

Persona 3's message is about emotion and psyche, and cannot compare to the DEMONS AND SHIT you see in SMT

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>>386856132
Because you can't? Because humanity will keep wanting death?

Joker did everything he did while the hearts of Japan were rallying for him. That's why Satanael was able to be summoned. Door did everything he did with all of the world against him.

>>386856504
>this guy who defeated the final boss of his game is weak
>but this guy who didn't defeat the final boss of his game is like super strong
>insert comment that has nothing to do with power levels

>>386855714
Wait but wouldn't that mean that the P4 cast can use their personas outside of TV world too?

>>386856585
Power of friendship gave him universe arcana. Without it, he literally lost to Nyx farts

>>386856585
Just like YHVH and that has never stopped people from killing him.

>>386856786
If they can they haven't done so yet

>>386856832
The power of friendship across SEES. The rest of the world was all cheering for Nyx to ravage their assholes.

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>>386855072
its Fri-koo-kel for exact pronouncement
and Fri-koo-kl for more common dialect pronouncement

the second k in kel or kl is spoken in a softer tone (like the "k" in "school")

>>386856832
All nu-Persona protagonists would have lost without the power of friendship

>>386856842
But YHVH is far and away above the power level of any Persona antagonist.

>>386856786
Maybe?

It's stated somewhere (might be the Drama CDs) that anyone can summon it without an Evoker or something to aid them (TV World, Metaverse) but it requires lots of training.

>>386855913
>literal Jesus Christ
Not this shit again.

>>386856754
i wasn't the original poster you were replying to friend

im just a p3 fag

P3 was able to use the UNIVERSE arcana and connect with every single person on the entire planet. that puts him on demi fiend levels anyway

>>386856980
Joker didn't use World arcana. He used peoples hopes for spirit bomb bullet but Satanael was stronger than Yaldy

>>386857134
>>It's stated somewhere (might be the Drama CDs) that anyone can summon it without an Evoker or something to aid them (TV World, Metaverse) but it requires lots of training.

Well, the P2 cast can do it but we all know they're stronger than the P3-P5 cast

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>>386824789

soul hacker is my protagonistfu

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>>386826646
>having SJ anything other than its own tier
P4 babies should keep their shit opinions confined to their circle jerks.

>>386857010
And people still manage to kill him. Meanwhile MC had to die to seal Nyx. He is weak as shit.

>>386857162
>whole planet and still only manages to seal Nyx
Super weak

>>386857162
>that puts him on demi fiend levels anyway

Spoken like a true self-inserting P3fag.

>>386857221
P2 cast also had Philemon on their side, which is why they're all sociopat- Wild Cards.

I don't think we've actually seen a natural summoning in all of Persona, have we?

>>386857313
But I'm not saying MC is stronger than any SMT protagonist or most of the rest of MegaTen, just Joker and Chad.

>>386857313
Defeating Nyx would mean destroying it and if you destroyed the embodiment of death then the world becomes fucked either way. Sealing it was the only way

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>>386857162
>Demifiend levels
I agree that MC is far and away the strongest Persona protagonist, but to put him at Demifiend levels is fucking stupid.

Would Aigis place on this list? With the Wild Card she's probably as strong as the P2 cast, considering even without Personae powering her up she can jump ten feet in the air.

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>>386857479
>Sealing it was the only way
PT will get rid of it for good

>>386857715
She's talking about Erebus here, not Nyx

>>386857471
And how do you know that when all he did was become a huge bandaid? And that was after using the universe arcana.
P3faga are silly.
>>386857479
>in a series where the world gets destroyed and rebuilt on a minthly basis
>after what happened in P2
Yeah, I'm sure defeating Nyx would make the Amala network implode.

>>386853138
That Fedora-tipping tier tho.

>>386857794
Because he got the Universe Arcana in the first fucking place.

Also, he's saying that the Personaeverse would be fucked, not the entirety of the Amala Network.

>>386853138
>No, he isn't. He can still die of old age even as the new owner of the Akashic Records
No? Alcor said an administrator will live and watch over human forever (fuck now I realize why he wanted to sacrifice and stay with bunny)

Nyx is just a big ayy tho

>>386857794
>Yeah, I'm sure defeating Nyx would make the Amala network implode.
Not that, but death would cease to exist in the Persona world. Which is bad

>>386857793
Yeah but Nyx isn't hostile by herself, it's Erebus which is humanity negative emotion that makes her "evil"

>>386857679
Door and Chad have Wild Cards and aren't even close being as strong as the P2 cast.

>>386857385
>which is why they're all sociopat-
What?

>>386858019
Yeah, but they would only be able to get rid of Erebus if that's the case, not Nyx

>>386857921
>muh universe arcana
Which means absolutely nothing.
I guess the other guy was right and you are a self inserting p3fag.

>>386858113
Do you not realize that a Wild Card is basically a mental illness?
>Personae are the masks you wear through life, the thing you use to hide your true self from the world
>Wild Cards can change their Persona on the fly, and as such presumably change their entire personality
>Joker, Narukami, and MCs all use them to socialize with people and basically fake who they are
>A symptom of being a sociopath is faking emotions in order to fit in.

>>386858229
No Erebus means Door can stop being Door because Nyx won't wake up and attack

>>386858278
But I self insert into Joker. I'm just not stupid enough to think he's on the same level as Door.

The thing is they Door could've arguably killed Nyx, but then that fucks everything up. A world with immortality is stupid

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>>386858353
>>A symptom of being a sociopath is faking emotions in order to fit in.
Everyone is faking emotions though

>>386858372
Erebus keeps popping up. Say Elizabeth really has to go to the bathroom and he really quickly runs over to Nyx. Then we're all fucked.

>>386855714
Fuuka's a special case, in Arena they say summoning wothout an evoker is possivle IRL but requires intense mental concentration and training, but she does it in P3 with no problem

>>386858528
Dude we talking about PT changing peoples heart so they stop being emo. >>386857715 if that happens Erebus can't resurrect

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Demifiend is above Lucifer and therefore the single most powerful playable entity in whole Megami Tensei

>Muh J-Jesus
>Muh g-god slayer
>Muh s-strange joorney

Fuck you guys

>>386842750
I wonder how many bought Cybersluts just because of said sluts. I did, at least.

>>386858447
>this guy is stronger
>why
>he just is!
You guys sound exactly like >>386858815
I'll just go and take a shower now.

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>>386858815
Man I wish this version would get a fan translation

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Persona Thread
>Who is the best Waifu?

Megaten Thread
>Who is the strongest character?

Persona is a mistake.

>>386858686
>Let's brainwash people to stop wanting to kill themselves
Wouldn't work. If the PT imprisons more people, they summon the Demiurge again.

>>386835712
>No texan/Yokohama accent for Irving
The bastards!
Not even ritual suicide would be enough to atone for their sins.

TIME FOR BED

>>386858949
I'm not saying "he just is". Door is the strongest.
>Has the strongest Arcana in his possession
>Seals Nyx because Nyx is impossible to destroy without ruining the Personaverse
>Has the personification of saving people as his Ultimate Persona
Neither Joker or Narukami could do that with Myriad Truths/Sinful Shell. Especially considering Sinful Shell only works against the Demiurge.

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>>386858815
>nanashi kills lucifer while he's part of a two-boss rush, the game is not even over and he kills lucifer's phantom later then goes on to kill stronger dudes

>>386859276
What? There's no "prison" anymore. Wish to be ruled over and wish for death were two diffrent flaws of humanity.

>>386859275
Based Yamai saw this bullshitery already 8 years ago comming

SMT IV wikipedia:
As an example of this, game director Kazuyuki Yamai said that some of the staff would be used to contemporary games featuring "sweet" female characters who "say nice things", and as a result would want to add that "sweetness" to Shin Megami Tensei IV; meanwhile, Yamai saw the series as having "bitter" content, and thought that it would not be possible to add "sweetness" to it. Additionally, the staff members had differing images of the meaning of Shin Megami Tensei

>>386858815
>above Lucifer
He only beat him because Lucifer wasn't using his full strength. Then he became his underling.

>>386859530
>Seals Nyx
No. He seals Erebus from reaching Nyx.

>>386859727
He seals Nyx. If Erebus was sealed than Elizabeth wouldn't be able to teleport him to the fucking moon in Arena

>>386859727
Other way around anon, Erebus can't reach Nyx because Door Kun sealed Nyx.

>>386825154
>DeSu protag
>struggles against Betatron
At full power Abel can slap his ass and he need to run away like a loser

>>386859813
He's not blocking Nyx from escaping because she's just sleeping, he blocks Erebus from reaching her

>>386859658
Then, SMTIV:A happens. Not that i complain though, the gameplay is amazing.

>>386824647
The strongest are the one who defeat YHVH: Aleph, Nanashi and Flynn.

>>386859992
So Nyx is sealed.

>>386859530
>I don't know anything about Arcana's
>I definitely don't know why MC got the universe Arcana
>Jesus was super strong, guys!
Retard alert.

>>386860084
>Then, SMTIV:A happens.
What about it? The bikini thing is DLC.

>>386860086
Yes but my point is that it's not some amazing feat when she's not trying to escape. He only stops Erebus which isn't all that strong

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>>386860084
Yamai wasn't even in the development team of IV:A

He were just allowed to do a couple scenario drafts. Atlus benched his ass after 2013.

>>386860212
>she's not trying to escape
Then why was she throwing literal death at you? She was obviously trying to stop you from denying humanity's wish for death

>tfw no SJ movie featuring Idris Elba as Gore

>>386860181
Apocalypse was basically a persona-fication of SMT

For me personally, it hurt to play this game.