Fallout 1 and 2

>>386800535
They were good.

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>>386800535
Probably thet WERE good back in the day but I don't know I just 22 years old.
My first Fallout was F3 and I don't care about the old games that look and play like shit.

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>>386800535
They are still fantastic. Literally played 1 for the first time 2 months ago and it was great. Atmosphere has not been dethroned since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SefxmOv-88M&t=90s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38zN_vF_dQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7zfrSJUEbY

>>386800860
they*
Also I can say the same thing about TES. Arena/Daggerfall/Morrowind probably were good but now they are shit.

The cancelled game in the video was allegedly going to be Fallout 3 before they lost the rights to Bethesda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bi02gl9QTo

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>>386800535
>being a young and healthy kid during the 90's
>realise that fallout came out almost 20 years ago

>>386800535
Played F1 for the first time in 2012.
It was a good game.
Never played F2.

Having never played any Fallout games until recently I'd say Fallout 1 holds up well.

3 is really boring, NV similarly boring. Thanks to big monsters having tons of health, the turn based combat of 1 and 2 feels more satisfying than endlessly plinking away at something in real time while back pedaling.

1 was really interesting, I liked the water chip time limit and the supermutant surprise afterward. The tone in FO2 seems to have really changed, I didn't like it as much but it was alright.

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>>386800860
>>386800994
Sadly this.

>>386800535
I fucking hate turned-based isometrics and still had a good time

>>386801518
>you now realize the 22 year old in here is essentially talking shit about your childhood

Am I reading the thread right? Kids don't want to play a story-driven game because it looks bad?

I played the originals after finishing NV, and although it took awhile to warm up to the design, once you get the hang of these games they're still really good.

>>386800535
I only played them for the first time a couple of years ago, they're good. The only thing about them that is really annoying is how slow the combat is, even at max speed. Trying to get Vic out away form the slavers in F2 through brute force isn't difficult, but it's still such a pain because you have to wait for every NPC in town to use their turn to run away every single turn.

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>>386800535
They're good but the underages here don't have the IQ required to play them.

>>386801654
To be honest I don't expect someone younger than me enjoy that kind of games. We're from different generations.

>>386800535
Not nostalgia. I played both for the first time only a couple of years after playing New Vegas, and the first one is my favorite game in the series now.

>>386800860
>My first Fallout was F3
No wonder your tastes are shit. All it takes to get Bethesdrones hard it last-gen graphics and a giant sandbox with a bunch of repetitive mindless tasks to do.

>>386801859
Not at all because exactly one post is even remotely negative

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Come play it, faggots
https://fonline2.com/en

>>386802320
What's new and different about this one compared to the first one?

>>386800860
t. nostalgiafag who played Fallout 3 as babby's first RPG for the first time 9 (yes, nine) years ago on his Xbox 360 when he was 9 years old

Works both ways at this point you dumb faggot.

>>386803020
>Nostalgia
>Works both ways at this point
NO.
I still enjoy Bethesda games. F4 is way better than F3 and I don't give a shit about F3 being my first Fallout.

>>386803020
I played FO3 as my first Fallout when I was 18 on release, and I realize the older games are better. That guy's problem is more being a dumbass than a nostalgiafag.

Isometric RPG's are all garbage. It's why people bought Pillars of Eternity out of nostalgia then nobody bought anything else after that.

>>386800535
Two of the worst games Bethesda ever made.

>>386800860
>my first fallout was 3
That's why you consider it good, playing fallout from the first game make your realise how shit 3 and 4 are.

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>>386803257
Someday you will stop "enjoying new games" and you will get stuck in your past memories about your childhood games.
Then you will hate everything new that people younger than you enjoy.

>>386803617
I hope I don't get that way with music. I hate how pretty much all older people only listen to the stuff from their youth and hate everything modern regardless of what it is.

I'm 23 and my first fallout came was F1 because i bought the pack of the original 3 in the hype for F3. And while, because I was younger and stupider when F3 came out I thought it was better than the originals, with age and maturity I learnt that the originals flogged the fuck out of nuu-fallout

Only retarded kids who believe that new = better would disagree

>>386803836
That's more because they stop caring about music and only remember a few songs they enjoyed, but don't care enough to embrace and understand new things. I hated newer music the younger I was because I cared so damn much about it, but now that I don't care so much I am indifferent and more accepting.

>>386803385
The only ones that sell these days are Diablo-like ARPG. In fact I don't think any game similar to Fallout of old ever was made besides the Wasteland games.

They're great RPGs. Definitely play FO1 first though if you're trying them for the first time. FO2 can be really unforgiving and difficult at times if you're unfamiliar with the first game. Welll, it's difficult and unforgiving regardless really. Fuck burst weapons and critical hits.

>>386803617
I have already become this way since maybe 2013. It gets worst every year. The fact that the industry has changed so much doesn't help matters. It isn't just you though. Even that new God of War game is getting shitted on here for trying so hard to appeal to new gen gamers when God Of War was already a series that appealed to casual new gamers. The demographics just keep getting younger and the taste in gaming shittier. It is why Overwatch even has those character designs to begin with. That shit would have never been a thing in 1999 or even in the year 2007.

Do I need any mods/patches/fixes for FO1 and FO2?

>>386804445
You may need to patch in the kids again since they get removed in the later versions of the game. It isn't PC enough obviously.

>spoilers
It is pretty brutal the first time I saw that enclave guy with his chaingun tearing an entire family to pieces. The kid included.

>>386800535
They don't look like much, but when they came out the first, and to a lesser degree the second, were pretty new takes on the cRPG genre that were actually executed well given the standards at the time. The only other big PC game that matched its scope at the time was Baldur's Gate, and that didn't even come out until like half a year later.

>>386800535
They were really good at storytelling and actual roleplaying, but gameplay wise they suffer in comparison to FO3;NV;4.

>>386800535
I tried them and didn't like them, it's one of these games if you didn't play them back then you're not going to like them

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>WRPG released before 2003
>Good

>>386803617
I hope it never happens to me or no too soon. I really enjoy new games even multiplayer games like OW (I love Mei). If we talk about FO I'm still playing F4 because it's good.
But I think VR is my no turning back point and when those games become an standar I will leave this shit.

>>386805001
>a bloo bloo why i can't skip the dialogue ?

>>386800535
The first few hours of both seriously drag. They really get into gear once everything opens up, but the starting hours are boring

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>>386805001
You're full of shit, I didn't play them until highschool and they were fine.

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>>386800860
Fallout 1 and 2 look better and play better than fallout 3 though...

Since this is the WRPG thread, I have to ask, if i'm getting into Baldur's Gate do I go for the complete edition or the enhanced edition?

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>>386805027
>WRPG released after 2003
>Good

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>>386800535
Played Fallout 1 for the first time a few years ago and loved it, couldn't get into 2 though, I played it a bit but it just didn't click.

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>>386805027
>>386805307
Both of these are true.

>>386805278
Complete will require some modding.

Enhanced is good to go out of the box (unless they fucked it up with later patches for their retarded 'expansion'.

Don't give beamniggers money, pirate only.

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>>386805389
Same, i can't express how much i hate new reno.

>>386805307
New Vegas was good, you faggot.

>>386805402
Thank you.

>>386805506
>>386805389
I always stop at Vault City. Equipment and stats aren't good enough to kill them all, don't want to help any of them.

>>386800535
Still extremely good with some rough edges. Played both of them back to back about a week ago.

>>386800535
it worked because it's system worked:

>The team laid down some simple rules:

>Rule #1: Multiple Decisions. We will always allow for multiple solutions to any obstacle.
>Rule #2: No Useless Skills. The skills we allow you to take will have meaning in the game.
>Rule #3: Dark humor was good. Slap-stick was not.
>Rule #4: Let the player play how he wants to play.
>Rule #5: Your actions have repercussions.[4]

>>386805402
According to some anons there's a version of the EE that wasn't fucked by the newer patches, can't remember the exact number though

>>386805389
Fallout 2's early game is terrible. It really takes off once you finish up with Modoc and move onto the big cities.

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>>386800860
>>386800994
I'm 32 and my first fallout game was 3.
I never really liked isometric games other than syndicate, theme hospital, commandos and jungle/urban/nuclear strike

Morrowind was the first TES I properly played too, though I had a go on arena as a kid but didn't like it.

>>386805580
>Stop playing a game because you suck hard enough to kill a town

IIRC all you get main quest-wise out of it is Vault 15's location. You don't even have to "help" them since fixing gheckos reactor isn't what Lynette wanted anyway. You can pickpocket the day pass off the customs guy and go from there. Just stick to playing Todd's games instead.

>>386806047
>stealing
>while roleplaying as a goody-two-shoes
Sounds like it's you that needs to go back to Todd's games, anon.

1 was meh.

>>386806138
Good RPGS don't fucking have black or white morality. If you don't like Vault City then you should have no problem sneaking in. Not to mention you can pass a fucking speech check or bribe your way in.

>>386806329
Or you could just take off your armor and talk to the guy handing out the passes to automatically get one because of your Vault 13 jumpsuit.

>>386800535
Hey! You not look like ghoul. How come?

>>386800860

My first fallout was 3 and I played 2 just before 4 came out. 2 is my top favorite next to New Vegas.

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A little bit but it's far from perfect. While they're some aspects of the game that allows decent amount of choice, the game is still designed to be very combat oriented and no matter what the game always feels like it wants you to focus on Agility and a little bit of Small Guns. Other skills like Gambling and Traps are virtually useless and the RNG turn-based style of combat gets grating after a while.

>>386806138
>go back to Todd's games
fucking games.
I am playing FO4 now, trying to get all the companion perks before i rape the institute with the BoS and start the DLC.
it forces you to play specifically and do certain thing just to level them up.
What a fucking terrible design choice.
Someone at bethesda needs to be sacked

>>386806827
>gambling
>useless
Getting your gambling skill above 50% in Fallout 1 is turning the game to easy mode. Just go to a table, hold down the 1 and 4 key with something, go eat lunch or watch a movie and come back to more caps than you could possibly spend.

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>>386800860 (You)

>tfw started playing Fallout NV because of how glowingly hbomberguy described Fallout 1 and the ending confrontation with the Master

Played FO2 a bit. Found so many blatant oversights in the early quest design that I dropped the game.

How come you can't go to the junktown guards and tell them about the guy turning people into iquana bits? Oh that's cause those guard NPCs are rigged to another quest. So you just run around talking to literally everybody instead of doing what's logical. Terribly inorganic and game-like.

For a game of it's time I guess it's fine, but that's where the shills always forget that even their hipster game is full of the same shit.

How much text are for someone with not perfect english

>>386807663
A lot.

>>386802320
Seriously what the fuck is this?

>>386800535
>go down abandoned vault for water chip
>die of rad poisoning
>wtf is rad poisoning
>cant get out, always die of rad poisoning
>character fucked

t..thanks. fucking rad-x, how are we meant to know

>>386807923
>i told the vault dweller to find something in the glow
>he actually did it

I want to play them but i cannot stand turn based shit

>>386808071
Put all into survival and speech, there literall 0 figthing.

>>386807507
Iguana Bob wasn't in FO2, neither was Junktown.

IIRC, the choice to report Iguana Bob to the cops in FO1 was cut from the game for some reason. There are mods that fix this.

>>386808007
Can't remember... Can you avoid going to the Glow in the first place? Or you are railroaded into doing it?

>>386808071
Just set animation speed to fastest and get 10 AGI....

>>386807507
You find a guy selling the food at a stand in another town and can use the police there to blackmail or shut him down because of knowing the truth. It's classic crpg shit. Just a game of its time.

>>386808315
You can avoid it, you only need to go to the glow for sweet loot and to join the brotherhood.

>>386802320
>multiplayer
Into the trash

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>>386805027
>>386805307
>WRPG
>good

>>386803409
hope it brings (you) some sort of confort

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>>386808643
>WRPG

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>>386808878
>

>>386802882
2238 or Reloaded?
>>386807910
Fallout Online.
>>386808568
Faggot.

>>386807507
>>386808260
It was time constraints from what I understand. I'm sure if they had all the time in the world they could have made every quest perfect. They didn't have the luxury of time on their side like companies such as Rockstar and Bethesda have for their flagships.

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Two of the combat skills (big guns and energy) in FO1 and 2 have no weapons to be found until midgame (unless you metagame) and the game gives you no hint about this at character creation, so if you build your character this way, you'll be pretty much defenseless.

/v/ will defend this atrociously bad design.

>>386807507
Because they had the GURPS license pulled from them a few months before release so the time that should've been spent on stuff like that had to be spent on putting SPECIAL together and making sure the game still worked. Blame Steve Jackson.

>>386809303
Git gut.

>>386809303
>make faggot that can't survive in the wasteland
>die
>learn from mistake, make faggot that can survive in wasteland
>beat game

>>386809303
That's what companions are for.

>>386800860
I didn't get to play one and two until a decade afterward, They have a lot of ways to interact with the wastes, I prefer 1 over 2, because I enjoy the time constraints of the purifier.
Fallout 2 is good as well with all the things you can steal and dialogues you unlock.
Fallout New Vegas is the closest the newer fallouts ever got to trying to capture the world-building that was Fallout 2.
Fallout 3 was mediocre in story and choices but if you turn your brain off, it is kind of fun to eat people.
Fallout 4 is trash for anything besides porn.

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>>386809073

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>>386809303
imo i don't think it's all that surprising for an old video game to have bad or questionable design that you wouldn't find at all nowadays. since. yknow. its old and was made back when people in general didnt have a lot of experience with video games.

>>386809303
>learn about rare expensive high-end technology most of your life, lacking any other real skills
>get thrown into the wilderness with nothing, no money, no connections, fucking nothing except a piece of flint on a stick and a shitty pistol
>"WTF WHY ARE THESE BANDITS KICKING MY ASS"

I'm gonna do a science girl run in New Vegas. What skills, perks, and S.P.E.C.I.A.L should I focus on?

>>386810191
>not beating up bandits with your stick

Arroyo's shame, you

ITT: People born after 1995

>>386800535
Master from Fallout 1 is one of the best video game villains:
>is not inherently evil
>fights for what he believes in
>his believes are based on information he has at hand, which suggest his decisions will only led to betterment of humans
>when presented with sufficient evidence which suggests major oversight that could led to disaster, he regrets his actions and proceed to kill himself.
Name 1 (one) better antagonist.

>>386810351
Yeah a nerd who did nothing but study instead of training or exercise isn't gonna be very strong and will lack the combat skill to beat someone with a sharp stick. Who would've thought?

>>386800535
I played the first fallout for the first time last year. I must say that I had a hard time getting used to the movement and gameplay but I really had a blast after that.

>>386805067
Imagine having taste this bad.

>>386810757
It's a shame it's almost over right after it gets incredibly good.

>>386809303
That is why if you go with one of those weapon skills you make sure you also choose another weapon skill to back it up retard. Suck it up and make compromises. The bulk of these games is doing just that anyways until late game.

So this might be the right thread to ask this. Any tips for a beginner playing Daggerfall?

>>386811073
>playing Daggerfall
don't

>>386810450
yeah but he's ugly

>>386800535
I had a tough time starting, what with not being used to the control and gameplay style. however, once I did, I had a great time.
It actually got me to try other games like Arcanum and Baldurs gate, which I also love

>>386810191
WOOOOOOOOOOOW THE GAME DIDN'T TELL ME I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THIS GUN UNTIL THEN

THAT'S SHIT GAME DESIGN WOOOOOOOOOOOOW

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>>386800535
>try playing these games because i hear a lot of good things about them and i loved new vegas
>spend hours building a character
>don't know how the combat works
>die to the first few enemies in the starting caves
>stop playing
Why can't I into CRPGs?

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>>386811465
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or legitimately angry

>>386812172
Because they're boring.

>>386812208
Look up DipShitPhil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnVBLV2zUbU

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>>386812208
>he doesn't know about /ourguy/

>>386802151
>t. pretentious shitter

>>386812172
Because you didn't put shit into weapons

Is the MMO or any of the other big mods any good?

>>386800535
They still hold up well today.
Morrowind on the other hand is pure shit /v/ overrates for no reason.

>>386812839
No, anon, I genuinely don't get the combat system.

>>386813232
I don't think Morrowind is "pure shit" but people here definitely defend its flaws like combat and static NPCs.

>>386813421
Step 1: dump points into small guns
Step 2: equip small guns
Step 3: shoot things

>>386805816
>>Rule #2: No Useless Skills. The skills we allow you to take will have meaning in the game.

I was going to say Outdoorsman but that let you pick if you wanted to avoid encounters (and avoid being taken away from minimap to take a whole 3 health damage from thirst, or get crap free loot (yay 2 fruit...))

>>386800535
You can bitch about the combat system, about the UI and all of it being dated. However, everything else in the games was 11/10. 10/10 for 2 due to the amount of meme's.

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>>386800535
Partly nostalgia maybe? They were and still are neat little games that have something special about them. Vidya doesn't age. But Fallout 1 is very short, simple, and fairly railroaded. Fallout 2 attempts to remedy this by being the opposite, but ends up removing a lot of thing that made Fallout 1 good. The entire franchise can basically be summed as baby's first RPG, because I can't see how you can think they are deserving of especially high praise unless you played them as a kid who didn't know any better and then never went on to play any other RPGs.

Fallout NV is the best game in the series.

>>386813698
Except in one where it made it that you just skipped them all together without any option. That may have been fixed in a fan made patch????

>>386813675
>>386813421
Int is a dump stat, that is what mentants are for just before you level
So is CH
Endurance, Luck, and Strength (to a smaller degree than the 2 are important).

If someone uses those soundy things more complex than grunts, punch, jab, thrust, or hip kick to the eyes, face, or groin.
Actually even if they grunt at you, you should probably do that.

Alternatively there is extremely weak start / mid, and just crazy late throwing build.
You pretty much use flares and target the eyes, abuse luck with more crits and better crits to kill with 0 damage and have about 6 targeted throws or more per turn

>>386813421
Explain what the issue is? F1 or F2?

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>>386813973
>However, everything else in the games was 11/10
You mean like the railroaded storyline, the choices that didn't really make a significant difference beyond the immediate moment, skill check dialogues still being random even if you had the skill to pass it, the broken gambling system, the retarded ending, the suicidal companion AI, the game only being 4 hours long, etc etc.

>>386813996
>anime image
>shit opinion

Yep it lines up

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>>386805001
honest to god this
I've tried multiple times to play older CRPGs but I hit a wall hard with anything older or more dated than than KotOR

>>386812726
t. brainlet
Have fun with your settlements and MMO tier fetch quests.

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How did that brainlet not realize the creature he has been putting years and years of his work into were sterile?

>>386814510
NV is the only Fallout game with genuine multiple quest solutions with longstanding multiquest impact on the game as well as consistent interconnected lore. Fallout 1/2 choices are about as deep as modern biodrone shit, maybe that's even giving them too much credit. Hell, the games give such little shit about what you do at times it's almost humorous. Even after you beat the game and save your whole vault everyone just tells you to fuck off.

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>>386805001
I started playing FO1 a week ago and I'm loving it

>>386815256
He didn't do any internal scans. He saw that their genitals remained intact, and didn't think anything else about it.

>>386800535
I didn't get to play them when they were new. I got them both a couple years ago from gog because I was on a toaster and couldn't run modern games. Emulating Vagrant Story was among the highlights of the time; I thought I'd struck gold with a massive DOS library I found on tpb way before all the legal shit. DOSBox and ScummVM -good times. The Fallouts were amazing compared to most of what I could play, but now that I've upgraded and got to play things made in the last decade I find it hard to enjoy older games.
I tried playing Baldur's Gate after "the modern experience" and couldn't bear it past the journey to the inn to meet your first companions. Even the older Thief games and Morrowind have lost their charm. I don't even emulate anymore unless one of my kids wants to play something I played at their age.

In short -they were good, but it's also nostalgia for the ones lucky enough to have grown up with them.

>>386815458
Shouldn't he have been a little more precautionary about something he was dedicating his whole life to that he planned on taking over the entire lasting world with?

>>386800535
What's the best way to get into these games? Should I use a walkthrough or go through it blind? Any mindset I should utilize? Quality of life tips & tricks?

Fallout 1/2 are only good if you can read

>>386815603
Go blind, but if you're getting lost quick look shit up.

>>386815552
Did you ever stop and wonder if the reason you choose newer games over old ones is because they take genuine effort to get into?

Because that is the real reason why and it isn't healthy. You don't have to play old video games,
but at least read a book or something. We should all try our best to survive through this age of vice together.

>>386810450
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Augustus_Autumn

>>386815603
dump everything in to perception

aim for the eyes

>>386805001
It really depends on how early you go into video games, and what kind they were.

>>386815603
Decent agi for AP points and decent perception for aimed shots might make your first run smoother

>>386800535
They're still good.

>>386800860
Very nice bait.

They're good but way too aged for modern players. The combat can be frustrating, most of the game is just words and words, the controls and menu can be clunky, in the case of 1 it's short, and in the case of 2 it can be buggy as fuck. But once you get used to it, you can see why people love it. Roleplaying elements are so well done that you can play it anyway you can and the worldbuilding is so believable despite the fantastical elements.

>>386813421

In general, Agility is the best ability score because it provides all of your action points. Each action costs points. Each hex moved on the map is 1 AP. Reloading a gun is 2 AP. Getting into your inventory is 4 AP. Shooting a single shot is usually 5 AP. Targeted shots cost 6 (they also increase the chances of critical hits and they can inflict debilitating status effects like blindness). Burst fire usually also costs 6.

Games like this used to come with a manual. I still have mine somewhere around here...

>>386811073
>>>/vr/
If anybody knows, they'd be the ones to ask. Seriously. All I can say is save often. Like, after every successful fight because the controls are so archaic that just... ugh... kinda like System Shock, but no guns. I get that it was great back then, but holy shit... I'd rather play DaS with keyboard and mouse.

Either that or
>>386811353

>>386816209
>Games like this used to come with a manual. I still have mine somewhere around here...

Still have mine too....so lazy and the games were so cheap I think I have about 6 copies of each. 1 each of the very first release, and I used to have the PC Gamer demo disc that was an early release with a quest in Junktown that wasn't in the main game.

I tend to think Luck is a pretty important stat compared to Agi, but that is probably based off the specs I play.

I tend to take a higher LK, higher agi, higher PE, higher INT and decrease ST to 4 (you can boost later to use the sniper effieceintly), drop CH to 4 (I think been a while), I think I even lower EN

>>386800535
Bit of both. They were great for their time but have aged like milk and are much more annoying to play today than other games from the same time.

Unless you really, really want to see the roots of Fallout or have nostalgia for the games, they can be hard to play.

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>>386815854
You're probably right. No you're definitely right -at least in my case.
I would love to read a book or something, but most of my favorite authors are dead and the ones that aren't haven't released anything new in some years and I can only reread something so many times before it gets boring. It's the same with games. Even sandbox games get old for me after a couple hundred hours. Maybe I just need a new hobby. Maybe it's just Maslow's hierarchy of needs kicking my ass. Idk. My bills are paid and not starving. Maybe I really do just Need to get my dick wet and find Jesus before I can enjoy the simple things again.

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>>386818527
in my defense (as poor as it is) i game for entertainment. i will never be paid for mastering games of long ago. it's difficult to put myself through that "must learn thing" phase just to have a good time. it's one of the perils of escapism. the whole point is to break away from that nose to grindstone mentality.

>>386818527

Learn to make things (welding, carpentry, something). Learn outdoorsman skills and go camping in places where you have to gather your own firewood. Learn a new language. Do something real that you can be proud of. Everything worth doing requires effort.

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>>386815854
All jokes aside. Thank you for pointing this out. Statements like this are why I still come here.
Once again anon is more open and honest than the ppl I know irl.

>>386814415
I was talking about 1 & 2 dipshit.

>>386809303
You start off with a laser pistol if you tag energy weapons retard. Not sure about big guns tho never tagged it.

>>386818909
Doubling on that learn a new language idea. I never feel better than when I feel progress in Japanese

>>386813675
>metashit
Fuck up cunt.

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>>386819287
>>386819287
https://youtu.be/uBiewQrpBBA
>tfw you'd be king weeb if you had internet back when free discs were being handed out because 1st world spoiled
>"wanna computer son?"
>"nah dad, i'd just play gaymes and nintendo does that already"
>"d'okay"
>enb has no idea how fucking lucky he was...
>no idea...

>>386819517
>meta
Okay, okay, it's an rpg, but c'mon. Get into character here -you either grew up in a utopian vault or were tribal. You honestly expect them to know fuck all about bazookas and plasma rifles?
Plasma maybe, but only for the vault dweller, but still it doesn't justify daily training in plasma weapons on the off chance that you'll be sent out on some grand Post Apocalyptic Adventure where plasma weapons will be in every derptards pockets just waiting for you find one.

Better off going hand2hand because it's a wasteland out there and who know's how common that amazing shit really is.

>also currently playing nv giantdad because normal guns was easymode even with gimpy vats
at least until fighting the legate. fuck that fucker. 40+ stimpaks, TAKE ALL THE STIMPACKS!!! AND THE SUPER ONES TOO!!! AND THE MOLERAT MEAT!!!!, plus mentats for per bonus and guns magazine and buffout and jet and whiskey addiction and turbo and rushing water and omg WHEN WILL HE FUCKING DIE and once he does FUCKING FUCK!!!!! FUCK YOU SNIPER AT THE SHITTY GAURD TOWER OF TWIGS AND TARPS!!!! FUCK ALL YOUR LEGION BULLSHIT!!!! and companions unconcious for majority of the fight. fuck that.[/SPOILER]

no gods, no masters, ftw
>trying to help ncr this time
>god help me.
>4 of them died helping me fend off legion assassins and i had 2 companions
>game over man -game over!

>>386800535
>i see fallout 3 trailer
>get hyped and sad at the same time because i can't play it
>realize that there is a fallout 1 and 2 and play them
>have a blast with them
>i play fallout 3 many years later
>i hate it because they removed any meaniful choice and the only thing left is a akward shooter with a terrible story

When fighting the Legate -take all the drugs@@@!!!!!

You'll know when the time comes.

>>386804445

Google FALLOUT 1 FIXT and FALLOUT 2 RESTORATION PROJECT.

All you need + loads of restored content that was cut.

These are practically mandatory and all you ever need. Download GOG versions of FO1/2

>>386800535
I played Fallout 2 recently and it is genuinely a lot of fun. I don't even have any nostalgia for it, because I was way too young to play it when it came out.

Of course, the gameplay itself is a bit clunky, but I still feel it's satisfying enough to kill enemies and explore the world, but that's not the main focus of the game in my opinion, or at least shouldn't be, as the writing is what takes the cake on this one. Unlike Fallout 4 I'm actually reading through all the dialogue and enjoying it. It's funny and it's interesting.

10/10 Would recommend.

Around 2008 my friend had built a new PC for gaming... going to his house to play new games was fucking amazing (we were still kids at this point and all I had was a PS2 and bunch of old Harry Potter PC games I played when I was 6). He showed me Fallout 3 and I was blown the fuck away... then Bioshock and I was blown way the fuck away.

Naturally, being a retarded kid I thought my shitty, 3 year-old Windows Xp laptop could play them; they ran those old Harry Potter games fine, why wouldn't they play giant graphics-intensive HD open-world FPSs.

So several blue screens later I was fucking furious - but instead of doing the obvious thing (begging my mum for a new computer) I realised that there were older games in both these series's. If it was Fallout 3 then there must be a Fallout 1 right? And a quick Wikipedia search revealed that Bioshock was based on older game by the same studio, something called System Shock 2...

So I pirated both of them and was hooked. Fallout 1 was hard to get into, the combat fucking sucked for one thing, but it offered one of the greatest stories ever - where I could change the fates of almost everyone I encountered in the Wasteland, where I could set my Intelligence to 1 at the start and play as mongoloid. Where I could be good,evil, selfish, selfless, the works.

And System Shock 2 immersed me like nothing else before or since. Seriously much as I loved the original Fallouts System Shock 2 left the bigger impression.

Naturally this led to me getting all sorts of games from this era, simply cos my shitty PC could run them: Deus Ex, Thief: the Dark Project and Thief 2, Planescape: Torment, System Shock 1 (fuck those controls), Half-Life, Unreal, Doom, Quake and so on...

A few years later I finally get a new PC and at last I get to play them: Fallout 3 and Bioshock.

And it was a complete disappointment.

Something absolutely was lost, or misunderstood, or blatantly ignored, or didn't test well with playtesters... I dunno...

>>386800535
F1 was good.
F2 was Memelands of it's era.

>>386800535

Probably good but never my cup of tea. I don't like combat based on numbers and RNG, turn based to top it off, and an isometric view on top of that.

They hold up if you have an attention span. It took me a few tries to get into FO1, but the writing is solid enough that they're definitely playable today if you can play CRPGs.

>>386801859
not the graphics but the gameplay

pillars has similar gameplay but that is better, they changed the changeable problems in it like faster speed, loot everything in the area, controllable party members and their inventory

if there would be a mod just for the speed up i would play it again

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>>386800535
I don't know. Never played fallout 3 since it came out almost 10 years ago. I don't play old games that look like shit. My first fallout was F4, Although it's showing its age I still have nostalgia for it.

>>386800860
This. My first one was Fallout 3 as well and it was great. Of course it aged like milk so for the new gamers it's going to be crap nowadays, which i totally understand.

>>386802151
>I love isometric shit so it's good
>I dislike 3D rendered shit so i dislike your tastes

Poor abort of an human being.

>le underage meme
I am 29 and my first Fallout was 3, immediately followed by NV. I never gave a shit about the series before and I haven't touched 1, 2 and Tactics until they were released on GoG.
The first fallout games were good and the visuals were nice, but the controls were shit. I guess most of the love for these comes from nostalgia, which I don't have because I spent my childhood playing GameBoy and NES games. I didn't have a PC until I was 12 and there I mostly played strategy games like HoMM 2 and 3 or AoW.

>>386800535
Were? No. They are still good. Fallout 1 and PS:T are the best story-driven RPGs to date and Fallout 2 is the closest thing videogames have to tabletop rpgs in terms of actual "role playing".
F2 is my favorite game ever, it's god damn beautiful.

>>386828453
Fallout 2 was my favourite game when I was a teenager but calling it good now would be wrong, the game systems are unbalanced as hell, combat is shallow and it has a very small amount of content compared to modern RPGs

I played both recently in high school. Fallout 1 is really good, whereas Fallout 2, while still a lot of fun doesn't live up to 1 and has a lot of unnecessary stupid shit built into it..

>>386828554
>the game systems are unbalanced as hell
Ha

>combat is shallow
Haha

>it has a very small amount of content compared to modern RPG
HAHAHAHAHA

Your settlements need assistance, you should go check up on them. Here, have a (you)

Combat is rather shitty, i like tactical turnbased games, but if you compare 1 or 2 even to Tactics the combat is too breboned. Still great games none the less 1>2

>>386828859
random encounters are mostly bullshit, especially the route from Arroyo all the way to Modoc. A low level player equipped with nothing but a 10mm pistol and a leather armor shouldn't have to fight against 10 bandits with sub-machine guns, rifles and metal armor.
And don't get me started on the Kaga encounters.

>>386829368
welcome to the real world jackass where bandit's don't give a shit that you're underskilled to take them on.

>>386828926
That's funny because I found Tactics' combat to be utter shit compared to FO1 and FO2.

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>>386829490
>bandit's don't give a shit that you're underskilled to take them on.

Yet they stand idly waiting for their turn and get shot at
And really is muh realism your argument when proven demonstrably wrong that the game is balanced.

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Fallout 1 and 2 are definitely great games that hold up.
I tend to hate older games but once I learned how the systems in Fo1 worked I had a fucking great time playing 1 and 2.

3 was my first Fallout and I think it's the weakest game of them besides shit like the Twin Sticks game.
t. oldfag who never played them when I was young

>>386828859
>absolutely no arguments
most of the games skills are useless, combat is final fantasy tier "use best gun and heal" and once you've hit Vault City/New Reno/NCR 6-8 hours in and done a few quests the game becomes trivially easy

>>386829368
>And don't get me started on the Kaga encounters.
Kaga is restored content from a mod.

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why won't they bring back the pancor? literally best shotgun in gaming history

>>386830764
Barter, Doctor, and maybe First Aid are hardly most of the game's skills and Doctor unlocks several dialogue options and combat implants.

You are also going to die to burst fire or any enemy with miniguns if you think you can sit there and tank shots. Fighting on the oil rig is instant fucking death if you're stupid enough to try that.

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>>386831007

Bless mods for adding in the M37.

>>386831127
>You are also going to die to burst fire or any enemy with miniguns
by the time you're fighting enemies with miniguns, you have power armor, which means the whole game is about who crits first

>Barter, Doctor, and maybe First Aid
There's aren't even the useless skills. Try Throwing, Traps. Sneak, Repair, Gambling, Outdoorsman. And don't say oh they're useful in x and y niche situation, they're 3-4 times worse than the actually useful skills. Being able to play the game in any way you want is a great thing about Fallout, but don't act like Small Guns Speech Lockpick high int high agility isn't dominant cliche

>>386831334
I like high science and high repair with high int and luck myself

>>386800860
You haven't played Fallout, dude.
Fallout 3 is just a global Oblivion mod.
Fallout 1/2 is a classic example of a one city block RPG.
The whole idea behind F3+ is just different. That's probably the reason that I couldn't play it. I just don't like TES.

>>386831334
Traps is useless and points in Sneak are relatively pointless but none of the rest are.

>>386800860
They actually look pretty fucking good for how old they are.
Isometric or 2D perspectives age much better than 3D. Fallout's isometric perspective just adds to the retrofuturistic atmosphere I feel.

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What is this about "Older Fallout Games"?
There were no fallout games before Fallout 3, They are all non canon

>>386831334
I'm discovering Fallout 2 atm, and it seems to me like SG/Speech/Lockpick into Big guns or energy is the way a first playthrough *has* to be played, to be able to enjoy exploring without trouble. Once you know the game, other builds can be tried and enjoyed because this time you know where to go to make use of those less useful skills, where to get good gear from the beginning to survive in melee etc

I'll tell you in a couple of weeks because I installed it yesterday.

Hope it is as good as people say because I think I lost interest in vidya because pretty much any modern release I played in the last years was pure garbage.

>>386831007
Those two pump shotguns are so unfitting in the fallout universe. Like they just copy pasted a real world remington 870 into the game like an amateur modder would do. I didn't like how they just through real world AR-15s into the game without making them look falloutish either.

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>>386830278
Pete Hines deserves to get locked in a fridge for 200 years

>>386830845
i know but still fucking retarded though

>>386833027
real world guns are canon. even if you don't take tactics as canon, which it is, F2 and even F1 have real world guns. just accept it

>>386830278
Did these game designers even play F1? The ghouls will die from thirst if you steal their water chip.

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>>386833345
Not interested in talking realism in a game with radioactive orks and talking mutants

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I never got into Fallout as a kid, so I decided to play 1, 2, 3 and NV last year when the Fallout 4 hype was at the peak.

Long story short, 1 and 2 are amazing games that aged just fine, 3 is just Bethesda retardation with terrible "humor" and infinite plot holes with a terribly designed world, it's literally just a bad TES game with guns, while NV is a solid overall game with a ton of dumb bugs typical of an Obsidian release.

Every Fallout game is unique in its own way, 1 is a very focused story that's slightly short, but very satisfying to get through, 2 is a fun quirky game with tons and tons of content, 3 is just a shit game and NV is FO3 done right.
I can understand if people have different opinions if they played the games on release or out of order, but these are my experiences after playing them for the first time, in release order, as a 27 year old.

>>386833471
F3's story actually isn't too bad. It's simple, really, it's a plot about a man and his project. Nothing else, really, not every fallout story has to be about saving the world, I also liked NV in that context, but we went back to stopping muh evil institute in F4

>>386800535
RPGs aren't video games, so they're only "good" if you enjoy reading text boxes that are equivalent to a very, very low quality pulp novel and also hate video games.

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>>386833586
I agree

Say, anybody here going to buy the newest COD? We're going back to the roots. Pre Order Now for Beta Access

>>386833416
The writers of Fallout 3&4 have no clue about time. Look at what happened in the last 200 years on Earth. In the games everything feels like the bombs dropped a year ago.

>>386833561
The idea is fine but the execution is completely retarded, I can't even begin to talk about the problems with Fallout 3's writing or I will be here all night.

>>386833561
It would be a solid story if there weren't so many holes in it. Providing clean water is all nice and good, but why is there even a conflict with the Enclave? Their reasoning is "a crazy computer is guiding us XD". The GECK is also shoved in for no reason what so ever except to remind people that it's the thingy from the first games.

I know I sound mad as hell but it's pretty frustrating for me because I hate seeing wasted potential like in FO3.

Isometric games of that era were the ugliest pieces of shit. If the games dint hurt to look at, I'd finish them

>>386833806
Don't think about it so much. It only makes as much sense as it needs to. Geck is needed for purification parts, after all, you are trying to start up the mother of all water purifiers. It makes perfect sense for Enclave to have another base in D.C, after all, it has roots in Pre War Military. Their execution of the Enclave is retarded tho, you should be able to side with them and never have to fight them again after the purifier quest, if needed, the fact that the game forces you to fight them is the only gripe I have with the story. Computer part isn't even that hard to swallow, it's actually a nice little plot point that the enclave has a civil war of sorts, I imagine that Autumn has been rallying his troops, who don't like having a computer president, hence why they ignore president's direct orders and shoot you anyways

>>386834059
if you're too much of a pleb to finish them, at least watch a playthru of them. MATN is just about to wrap up F1 this sunday

>>386833726
>tries to imply that I am casual for not enjoying his boring non-game
>not knowing that RPG fans are the ur-casuals
wew lad

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>>386834357
I agree, all real gamers play Online First Person Shooters. Get on with the times, dorks

>>386834513
No matter how fast and fancy CoD movement gets the game is still complete trash when you die so fast, it's "whoever sees the opponent first wins" every single time.

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>>386834679
There is another reason it's complete trash

>>386834513
>too slow and stupid for real games
>m-muh codbabbies!
pathetic
>>386834679
>what is map control

>>386833586
>RPGs aren't games because I say so
Just shoot everybody in the face if you so desire

>>386833471
Just curious, did you sometimes have to check a guide for Fallout 1/2? I was lost after finding the water chip and having to "stop the mutant threat", so I had to check the official game guide (which is awesome cause it gives hints without spoiling)

>>386800535
>action game player, love quake, tf2, sc2 (real time, requires alertless and extreme speed) ect ect.
>try to play the original games after playing nv
>fight one rat
>realize that this is the combat system I will be using for the rest of the game
>uninstall

>>386826926
>if there would be a mod just for the speed up i would play it again
>what is combat speed in game's options
>what is sfall

>>386800860
Kill yourself nigger.

>>386805816
>Rule #2: No Useless Skills. The skills we allow you to take will have meaning in the game
They clearly didn't follow that one.
>Rule #4: Let the player play how he wants to play
That one went to shit because the #2 did.
>Rule #3: Dark humor was good. Slap-stick was not.
They get rid of that in 1998 with F2.

>>386806419
You can?
I was playing Fallout 2 for 14 years and i didn't know that.

>>386800535
they are good

stop say
>MUH NOSTALGIA

New Vegas was my first, 3 was second. I played 1 for the first time a year ago, and I had a lot of fun, but shit like companions that couldn't equip weapons because of missing animations or cut content like the computer in the glow, or how a fucking bb gun I got right before shady sands bested every other weapon in the game, even the upgraded plasma rifle because of its accuracy kinda hurt it for me. Also I remember unarmed always having a ~70-80 accuracy even with over 100 unarmed. Never played 2

I played Fallout 1 for the first time in February of 2006 when I was 17, 9 years after Fallout 1's release, which means there was no nostalgia factor at the time, and I still enjoyed the game.
That being said, yes, they are good and it's not nostalgia.

>>386801996
Obviously their characters did not survive the post nuclear test.

>>386802065
Nice to see someone else went back and enjoyed them as well started with 3 and went back when NV was announced and enjoyed the hell out of them. I mean I was used to older games that helped mostly didn't play Fallout because I was a console guy first and foremost when they were new, but I loved the shit out of them.

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>>386800535
They were good, and like
>>386800992
says, the atmosphere holds up greatly. They're also feel darker, even depressing at times. Just listen to the intro narrations for both games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA

https://youtu.be/pXMnRaSkkp4?t=2m44s

They don't wallow in the zany 50's aestethics too much, you see the destruction and desolation of America firsthand and how civilization tries to rebuild after such disaster. It's just thematically different compared to the way Bethesda handles it.

>>386838052
>Never played 2

If you like New Vegas I suggest 2. If only for story reasons, and the fact NV feels more like a Sequel of sorts to 2 than anything.

>>386839040
I can second this, New Vegas was my first and 2 was my second, fell in love with both.

>>386833345
More like, DID THEY EVEN PLAYED F3 THAT THEY MADE?!

>>386809303
>level up
>he puts every skill point he has into big guns and energy weapons
>still no big gun or energy weapon
>level up
>he keeps putting every point into big guns and energy weapons
>"too hard this game I can't hit shit!!"
>still no big gun or energy weapon
>level up
>he keeps putting...
Sure brainlet.

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>>386809303
Big Guns and Energy are supposed to be late game weapons but they are a bit too sparse. Better than finding a Minigun in F3 that shoots massive 5mm bullets and does NO FUCKING DAMAGE though.

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>>386840043
>mfw Joshua was right all along

>>386833416
It pains me to see people like him become writers for video games. Who the fuck lets these mongoloids do that?

Fallout 1 and 2 were great
>>>/wsg/1820628

>>386841463
cringe