Is this actually fun or is it just a glorified cash shop?

what game?

It's terrible. Blame the Korean open beta testers.

>>386786556
Waifu Generator9000. Skyrim mods has more options though.

Its not worth playing long term so not worth playing at all.

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>>386786556
The made a game world then instead of actually making a game around it they just added a cashshop and called it a day.

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>>386786556
BDO, right? It's rubbish.

Combat is awful, crafting/city manager is facebook tier and the stamina system blows. Cash shop is not only expensive but some items from it are considered mandatory.

Avoid this shit.

>>386786556
It's pretty fun and you don't have to buy anything.

>>386787905
True. If you don't care about grinding or pvp, you don't have to buy anything. But then you find out there's other things to keep you from having fun. Energy, amity, crafting.

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Fun game play, very very very grind heavy, and if you don't like life management shit (managing gathering/workers, connecting gathering nodes, AFK wagon riding to trade and all that shit) you will get bored around the 40s or 50s. But hey its 10 bucks.

>>386786556
The character creation was nice.
It's all downhill after that.

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>>386788328
>its 10 bucks
I bought it on sale for $6 and I still feel a little bit of buyer's remorse. At least I can post waifu pics.

>>386786556
Its the best MMORPG in the market right now.
>inb4 I get called a shill
I don't give a fuck. I'm enjoying the game and want other people to play it too.

>>386788986
post your slut so I can laugh at how bad she looks

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https://youtu.be/3CSV0daf4xs

>>386789430
I'm not watching that shit. Just give me the basic rundown.

>>386786697
White Forest Offline

>>386786729
why

>>386786556
It's a glorified ERP-chatroom

>>386786556
I had more fun playing Tera then this piece of shit.

>>386789509
Spend lots of money

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I love it!
Its pretty much Rune Factory online!
>tfw just spent like 3 hours taming horses and helping my friend with his farm
Battle system is fun too, so I never get bored of grinding like I do in "point & click" mmorpgs.

>>386787905
I've been playing for about 4 months and only spent 10$ for an outfit cause I got a discount coupon for free somehow.

>>386786556
Fun for 3-4 weeks, afterwards you want to quit. No PvP, no raid PvE, just mindless grind end-game with cash shop.

As it is an MMO, it is not worth to start just to quit soon after.

Sadly MMO market is at its worst in two decades now. No game worth starting and no promising ones incoming.

>>386789693
This.
I spent a lot of time whoring myself out.

Pick two

Homo game[_]
I'm gay for playing this[_]
Korean[_]

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>allow people to put outfits up on the market
>fix the price range so that selling outfits on the market is a huge waste of money
What did they mean by this?

>>386790009
Is there any swimsuit yet?
Honestly only thing I might drop some cash in for.
And maybe a cat pet.

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I keep seeing people say negative things about this game, but I keep seeing thread being made about this game and it's been doing well before and after the Steam version according to MMO/PC sites.

Another thing; I see a fuckton of people claim that want a true open world MMO and this one in particular is 100% open world with no form of teleportation traveling and no party dungeons or even loading screens. It's the true next gen open world experience. And yet... I see so many negative comments. So many people shit on this game (on 4chan only) and there's even an active general on /vg/

I have come to the conclusion that 1, you all are console gamers and 2, the so called MMO players don't know what the fuck they want in an MMO. They say they want something and when the gives it to them they say they want something else, so they never wanted it in the first place. Black Desert Online was never even shilled hard as something like fuckign Zelda but it gets the same amount of hated as if it was made by some triple AAA company.

What a weird fucking situation for a game.

I just went through a mmorpg month where I downloaded pretty much every big mmorpg available right now and Black Desert is the only one I will keep playing.
Also Guild Wars 2!

>>386790456
>you want-
What I want is to enjoy the game but they won't let me.
I want to craft a simple bet to put in my house but I can't do that. I want to buy a saddle for my horse from the vendor but I can't do that. I want to level my gathering but I can't do that. I want to talk to npcs and learn more about the lore but I can't do that. What I have to do is jump through hoops and play annoying conversation mini games.

>>386790456
>And yet... I see so many negative comments

Are you new to /v/?
They will shit every game, no matter if its good or not.
Don't be a retard and try the games yourself and build your own opinions instead of fallig for /v/ memes.

>>386786556
both

>>386790778
But what you are complaining about is literally the blueprint for all MMOs in existence. Things are handle that way on purpose. That's one thing about an MMO. You look at it from a viewer standpoint and go "holy shit this looks soooo good!" but people never think about the MMO aspects. Never. Not until they are playing the game and run into those tedious task you brought up. That's what an MMOs - a game meant to drag out.

But then if... everything was simple and you achieved everything in the game at a fast rate your complaint would instead be "there's not enough end game content" or something along the lines.

In my opinion, if you can't deal with the grind then no MMO will ever be fun for you. Playing with friends make that grind feel less tedious, but going in solo you start to feel the effects immediately. That's where all the complaints about MMOs come from - the solo players.

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>>386790456
the problem is the people here play shit like WoW or FFXIV (Final Fantasy WoW)

and they are very hostile towards talk of any other MMO except for their favorite which is usually dying in some way or another cause its a tower of shit and a statement to the fact that most modern MMOs are garbage.

BDO is like in open beta. It lacks content, but it has the foundation to build upon a lot of good features. IE: Instruments exist but no real indepth system to use them. Farming is barebones, but they showed they'll expand it when they added cows to it. Maybe more types of animals to be used in farming like chickens?

As time goes on I only assume this will be like a mash up of vindictus like combat with the open world all those faggots demanded but couldn't get on a source engine. While also including all the nice features mabinogi had that wasn't just combat related.

It is literally a game in beta still being developed, it was never a full game that was complete. I don't even know what they were thinking.

>>386791476
>but it's an mmo, it's just going to have hurdles and time gates
Yeah, I know that. I expect stuff like rep grind from mmos. The thing is I don't have to constantly grind rep in other mmos to buy shit. I grind the rep to unlock the tier I want and that's it. I can now buy whatever it is the vendor had locked away. In BDO rep is basically a second currency on top of silver. So it's not so much I have to reach 100 amity with this vendor to unlock the bed, the bed just costs silver plus 100 amity. After I buy it I'll have to grind more amity if I want to buy another. That's beyond annoying.

>>386791523
>BDO is like in open beta.
Nigga this game release last year in March or some shit. How is it still in beta?

>>386791523
>It is literally a game in beta still being developed
BDO has been out of beta for a really long time.

>>386791476
>Playing with friends make that grind feel less tedious
I played the trial with a friend. We both got bored and quit before even hitting 30. The main factor being the lack of dungeons or any harder content.

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>>386790456
I bought the game at release and was mentally prepared to love it. I played for some weeks and got bored. Here's where I think you are wrong:

>Active general on /vg/
Half-true; if you pay attention to what kind of content is produced, you see it is all ERP and waifufags because there is literally no other content.

>People want an open world MMO
True; people yearn the adventurous feeling of the MMOs of the old days. BDO has a pretty open world, but that is not the only thing they want from an MMO. BDO is all graphics with no content or challenging achievements to accomplish. Quite typical for Korean MMOs.

>You're all console gamers
I've played exclusively on PC for the last 8 years.

>MMO players don't know what they want
We know what we want but unfortunately, BDO only delivers in some departments. The lack of PvP and PvE content, the UI, the lack of armor models (unless you buy them from cash shop for what, 20 dollars each? I remember the price being extraordinarily high), the lack of guild vs guild... These are just few things that come to mind and obviously, MMOs are created of a million different details.

tl;dr: BDO was nice for a couple weeks, but then its emptiness became apparent and players left. Nowadays they sell it for 10 dollars or whatever to keep the playerbase somewhat alive. If it was a successful game as you claim, they would not need to do that.

>>386792416
>The main factor being the lack of dungeons
Well I don't know why you would be expecting there to exist dungeons in an open world game.

>or any harder content.
Name one MMO that offers difficult content before reaching level 20 - 30 or the halfway point in the level cap.

>>386792610
>combat's pretty fun but grinding mobs is boring. are there any dungeons?
>no
>do things get any harder?
>no
And then we stopped playing.

Maybe the dev could get creative and add areas meant for groups or require more skillful play. But they won't do that.

modded skyrim is better if you want waifus

>>386791523
>It is literally a game in beta still being developed

You are fucking retarded.
Theres so much content in BDO its fucking ridiculous.
And they are STILL addint shit all the time.

>>386789693

>It's a glorified ERP-chatroom

So, it's like every other MMO in existence? Good to know.

It has potential to be incredible, but it ends up feeling very bland to me.
I feel like if you're one of those autists who can get hardcore into roleplaying and have a good imagination, you'd enjoy it.

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It's a game built around not being a hero but living a life. There's no grand quest or really any feeling of something happening in the world, its all very localized stuff. "Its for people who want to be the villager not the hero" is the best way ive heard it described. Which doesn't sound too bad if it wasn't for the tedium of the grind for no real payoff at the end unless you want to PK or PVP, A lot of the systems in the game are poorly explained and you have to dig around online to get anything done. It's not as bad as everyone says but its not great either imo. Its got anice world to explore and a great waifu creator.

>>386793160
>if you're one of those autists who can get hardcore into roleplaying and have a good imagination, you'd enjoy it.
Not even then.

I'm not following the korean server stuff but I heard that you can now pretty much have your own pirate crew, sail the sea in search of treasure and fight other ships, so now its officially better than Archeage.

>>386792602
>the lack of guild vs guild...
I will never ever understand why anyone likes this or any large scale player vs player battle. Sure, you probably watch lord of the rings or some shit and through "man these guild vs guild battles are going to be like that" and "I'm going to be this one man army taking down 100s of players with my Legendary Excalibur sword!"

Reality:

- Shittiest optimization known to man
- You can't see what the fuck is even happening on your screen, just a bunch of colors flying everywhere
- Anytime you die or get kills there was never any skill involved, just a player who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and thus got gangbanged like this is a porno.
- Edgy kids

But if this makes you all hot and bothered more power to you. Me personally, I prefer low player count, arena style 3v3 or 1v1s.

>>386793226
You definitely slay monsters and use your weapons as if you were a hero, just as much as in any other MMO. You make it sound like as if BDO was Harvest Moon, which it definitely isn't.

>>386793475
Who said it needs to be large scale? No one mentioned Guild Wars 2. 10v10 would be perfectly fine as well. It is a social thing and people like competition.

Plus, it is just one thing. Yet again you resort to twisting words:
>But if this makes you all hot and bothered
Never said that. You just created a strawman and then ridiculed it. I am a 1v1 person myself.

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>just came home from work and it was snowing outside
>been playing BDO for a week now
>get into the game
>its fucking snowing ingame too

Time for some comfy grinding I guess.

>>386793742
>Guild vs Guild
>10v10

What is even the fucking point? How does that even look from a Guild PoV

>GL: Alright I need muh finest warriors!
>It's literally a 10 man circle that gets picked every time
>everyone else gets left behind....every time

>>386792602
>The lack of PvP and
>the lack of guild vs guild

Nigga what the fuck is this then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU1_0s9jhCo

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>>386793475

>Shittiest optimization known to man
>You can't see what the fuck is even happening on your screen, just a bunch of colors flying everywhere

Go to options menu and you can turn off the VFX and alter the U.I configuration. It's that simple.

>Anytime you die or get kills there was never any skill involved, just a player who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time

The person who dies in any "random" situation is the one that has a lack of skill, due to not paying attention to the surrounding environment. Also, knowing the combat mechanics helps in these particlar circumstances.

How do I properly enjoy this game?

I really want to like it, but it feels as though it doesn't want me to play it. Everything has an obstacle to get around, even things that shouldn't.
I enjoy interacting with NPCs, seeing what they have to say and the game won't even let me do that without having to do some weird mini game thing.

Now, I normally don't mind complex games. In fact, I often enjoy them. However, this game is needlessly complex. There's a silly system plastered over fucking everything it seems. It feels as though the game is actively fighting against you.

I've gotten a character to level 36 or so, and I'm bored. It's an mmorpg without the mmo part. I've done everything solo, and it does not seem like there's any reason to group up with people. There is no need for party play at all from what I hear. They made a multiplayer game with single player gameplay. There are no dungeons, no organized/instanced pvp, no raids, nothing. Just grinding to level and grinding for professions, and from what I understand, the only truly organized multiplayer stuff is when 2 guilds decide to duke it out in some pvp enabled zone somewhere.

What is there to even do in this game that's fun?

>>386794565
The fact that I must dumb down my game to PS1 tier graphics says something about these large scale battles in MMOs. Not to mention, everyone is on different hardware so...

>The person who dies in any "random" situation is the one that has a lack of skill, due to not paying attention to the surrounding environment. Also, knowing the combat mechanics helps in these particlar circumstances.

You're not thinking about hardware while making this statement. Some people are playing on toasters. You might have the advantage on them regardless because you're running on a better PC can manage this clusterfuck better than there's can. There is no skill involved. It's a positioning game and requires dumb people to do dumb shit like wonder off into the enemy camp with zero help.

>>386786556
Cash shops can be fun too.

>>386794149
Multiple teams can play at the same time, obviously. It can be an arena kind of thing where first comes and first serves. If you are not familiar with this, to me it sounds like you are the one who lacks experience with MMOs, not those disliking the waifu simulator.

You also have this really uneducated habit of creating strawmen constantly. You should stop that.

>>386794236
There is definitely a lack of PvP content and modes, though admittedly I had forgotten about the "fight over nodes" system they had, which counts as GvG I guess. I'm not sure if that was introduced at release in the west or if it came later. So I was wrong, though that kind of mechanic does not look very appealing to me.

>>386794565
>implying witch/wiz spam is """""""""skilled"""""""""""
Seriously node wars boils down to who has to most witches/wizards. Fucking koreans cant balance for shit.

>>386795239
You're the one lacking experience if you truly believe that in a 10 man Guild war you would ever get selected over the 9 already in the circle and possibly a 10th for reserves. Unless... you ARE the GL or one in the circle. That is Guild 101 man. I don't even know why they allow people to create guilds with 100+ players when you don't even interact with even 10% of those players and look awkward when you get matched up with them in dungeons or against them in PvP battles.

>Join Guild
>Everyone says hi
>Never speak to you again
Unless you're a girl or pretend you're a girl.

>>386786556
Grind simulator
The character creator is a bait

>>386795239
>Multiple teams can play at the same time
Oh I forgot this part. And you mean multiple circles, no teams. You will never be a team, just a circle of friends you play with. You so called team would never consist of other guildmates, just your same 10 every time.

>>386788328
bought it on steam sale and I still refunded it cause its a shit show

>>386795797
If there is an arena type of system where you queue for a guild clash, the guild can simply form as many raid groups as they have willing members.

If they want to keep it open world and avoid zerging, they can design a guild war system where guilds need to divide their troops and fight at different locations at the same time.

There are ways to get around the zerg issue.

>>386789661
koreans hate open sandbox mmos like the original ultima online and want themepark mmo shit that might as well be a singleplayer game

>>386786556

it's a glorified chraracter creator

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>>386786556
>mmo

Take a wild guess.

>>386795919
When I hosted PvP teams in one guild in another MMO, I simply called out people to join via the guild chat and the first ones responding got in. That's really just a matter of people how it turns out.

If you are discriminated in your guild, switch it.

>>386790456
>Bloated shit tier UI
>Animu 'art'style that is beyond horrible
>Barely any outfits, enjoy looking like every other fuck around unless you pay real money
>Combat is pretty shit, like every other 'action' mmo
>Story is a complete joke

>>386796105
>BDO
>themepark mmo
The fuck you on about? Have you even played the game?

>>386789693
i have literally never seen any RP, ERP or otherwise. what fucking channel are you on

Cuz i need to get in on this

>>386796345
Fukken pc gaems too many buttans wtf!?

>>386796345
>Animu 'art'style that is beyond horrible
>BDO
>Anime
the fuck nigga, are we playing two different games? I wanna play the animu one, fuck this western looking trash.

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>>386795015

>There is no skill involved. It's a positioning game and requires dumb people to do dumb shit like wonder off into the enemy camp with zero help.

That "reasoning" can apply to any videogame genre in the world anon. FPS' & TPS', RPG's, RTS', Racing, Platforming, Fighting and Puzzle games all depend upon POSITIONING (which tests the players skill in a virtual environment) to either achieve a victorious outcome or lose outright due to how the individual player understands/utilizes the fundamental mechanics of the game. It does depend on skill.

>You're not thinking about hardware while making this statement. Some people are playing on toasters.

Not my problem.

>>386786556
It's fun for a while. If you're going to play just take your time with everything and move a your own pace.

>>386796660
>Fukken pc gaems too many buttans wtf!?
Glorious shitpost, BDO has some of the fewest buttons in any mmo. Its amount of skills are a fake out, most of them are garbage or a case of pick X or Y.

BDO combat puts me to sleep more than any shitty rotation mmo, all that graphical flash means shit.

>>386796361
Calpheon 2 is for (E)RP

>>386796942
So doing combos with mouse + shift and several buttons puts you to sleep but mashing 1 2 3 doesn't?

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>>386795393

>implying witch/wiz spam is """""""""skilled"""""""""""

IIRC, high-level Ninjas/Kunoichis and Sorceresses are effective against the Witch/Wizard classes.

>Seriously node wars boils down to who has to most witches/wizards.

Isn't that due to the fact that they're a popular class to use, rather than being over-powered?

>>386797471
wiz/witch and DK are OP as fuck though

>>386797207
>Mashing 1 2 3
Shit example, look at FFXIV. Ass load of skills. BDO is on par with Guild Wars 2 and Wow in terms of garbage combat. Its literally three at best rotations you spam, and nothing in the game requires any teamwork or effort.

Its a dress up game where you need to buy the dresses.

>>386797676
>look at FFXIV
>Stand in one spot
>watch slow ass animation
>Do it again

I'm looking. That is as snorefest as it gets.

>>386786556
>glorified cash shop

HA!

A glorified cash shop with cute china girls, more like. Whats not fun about ALL THAT.

>>386797676
This >>386797907

Just thinking about it puts me to sleep

Paid 5 bux. Reached maybe lvl 30. Got bored and quit.

Based on what I saw there's no way I'd spend more than 30hrs in this. But for that money it's worth the 5 bux I guess.

Nowhere as fun as archeage was back in time. I feel sorry for anybody who missed that boat.

>>386790213

Because that's how PA develops the game for the korean market and Kakao adjusts what they can for the Western market. Even though they miss a lot and often do a retarded job that was a good move. It kinda prevents people from paying to win.