What did they mean by this?

>more than 8 cores to play GTA, Witcher or ubisoft garbage
what did (((nvidia))) mean by this?

>>386778030
Nvidia knows they have the fastest card out there, and the VEGA card is gonna compete against the 1080(non-TI) and Nvidia have Volta soon to roll out.
See it as a 25% smirk / 75% nice gesture.

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>>386778030

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AMD's gpu's just got fucking BTFO like no tomorrow from that

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INTEL BTFO

This would be great and all if pairing nvidia with amd wasn't hot garbage for dx12, even worse than nvidia usually is with intel.

>>386778030
I'm drunk and I literally don't know what to say about this. it honestly seems like NVIDIA is completely emasculating AMD but that can't be it right? American laws protect against like such a thorough btfoing right

>>386779426
I hope you go to sleep and never wake up

AMD doesn't want gamers to buy vega. they'd rather rely on the unstable miner market.

>>386779426
No it's basically just
>Hey your gpu's aren't that good but we should team up to cash out on enthusiasts

>>386779426
>rivals exchange friendly words
>wtf why there no laws for this ass raping?!

rabid fanboys are the worst

>>386779761
neither are the threadrippers for gaming

>>386778468
A fair assessment

>>386778030
How did ryzen turn out anyway? I need to pick up a new cpu soon.

>>386780039
ryzens are great. I plan on getting one.

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That makes no sense. Games only use 4 cores efficiently. 7600k is the best gaming CPU. Threadripper is a waste of time and money.

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>>386778030
Intelfags eternally BTFO lmao you suck!

>>386780175
7700k is best for gaming and thread ripper is not for gaming.

>>386780321
I think AMD has more money than sense these days.

>>386780039

Fantastic value for money, but if pure performance is all that matters and you have money to burn, you're better off going Intel.

Be aware if you do get one and if you have an nvidia gpu that they don't always play nice for some reason. DXMD in dx12, fallout 4 and GTAV perform much lower than expected for example. Something to do with nvidia's drivers.

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>>386780039

It's the same old AMD garbage

>>386779976

True.
AMD, also used Nvidia 1080Ti to bench the Ryzen, and they used Intel to bench their RX580
AMD uses what gives them the best performance, while they opt for performance/$.
So they using other brands hardware is solely to show how their hardware perform with as little bottlenecking as possible.

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>>386778030
>>386779397
I like it

>>386781038
Looks like the i7 7740X is what you want if you don't wanna pay 200% more money for 10% more power

>>386778030
so i have a i7-7700k that's already overkill for what i do, and it cost $400. how much will this thing cost?

>>386778030
I guess it's their GPUs that compete but it's still kind of weird.

>>386780039
Very good contender but not top shelf in terms of pure FPS in many games. It really depends on your circumstances and what you're going to be doing.

>Low budget
Go Ryzen as cost for performance is much higher.
>Streaming
Go Ryzen because 7700k is shite for stream quality
>Mulittasking
Go Ryzen

If you have the money to spend 7700k is best as of this moment with a few caveats, that being temps and overclocking. Runs hot when overclocked and you will not likely get the 5.0+GHz clocks unless you delid/use water cooling.

If you do end up going Ryzen you have to make sure to pair it with proper RAM as your performance is heavily dependent on it. At the end of the day, go with your gut. I am still running an i5 4670k OCed to 4GHz on air but I notice bottlenecks when playing a game and watching a stream/youtube at the same times. If I had to upgrade I would certainly choose Ryzen myself because I'll benefit from more cores/threads then I would a higher clock.

pls no bully

>>386781810
If you have a 7700k already then it's not worth it.

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>>386778030
>What did they mean by this?
Nvidia was a major AMD partner at one point

>>386778030
this sounds like a job for the fixer
https://youtu.be/B2nXvegzRl4

>>386778030
they want to ship retardedly overpowered, overpriced hardware to people who dont need it

>>386781038
>>386781581
it's almost as if threadripper isn't aimed at games

wow

>>386781810
$1000 for 1950x
$800 for 1920x

You do not need either of them unless you are actively creating content that would benefit from all the cores/threads. Benchmarks show Ryzen performance in games so there's really no need for it.

t. someone who really wants to get a threadripper but can't justify the purchase

>>386781038
Why do people use shadow of mordor as a benchmark when it runs at 120 fps with an FX6200 at max settings.
All of these benches are literally straight CPU which no one realistically will lack a gpu unless they are poor as dirt, in which case no one will have a i7 integrated graphics fucking ever.

>>386778563
I thought this would be top 10 anime crossovers

How's Ryzen for emulation, I know AMD CPUs have had a history of not playing Emulators well

>>386780039
It's going to be the best option for a lot of people, but as always if you're looking at raw gaming performance Intel is still top dog.

>>386780039
I've got a ryzen 1600 and it runs great. Upgraded from a 2500k.

>>386782912
i haven't tried it on my 1600 but i'm guessing intel is still better because of single core requirements from emulators.

i could be wrong though

>>386782912
r7 1700 seems to be the best CPU for PS3 emulation right now

intel is still better for gaming tho

>>386782360
>>386782547
>$1000 for 1950x
jesus christ. i got the 7700k for games, 3d modelling, game dev stuff and it performs beyond my expectations. are these for people who just want to spend tons of money?

>>386783001
i upgraded to my 1600 from a 8350.

shit's pretty good, and the stock cooler holy shit its magical

>>386781581
Why are you running 4k with an rx 580. Also with 4k resolution it depends more I the graphics card than the CPU anyways.

>>386783032
Yes, they are. Mainly for the AMD fanboys so they can "Hah! AMD IS better than Intel!"

I'm still using a 2600k just fine, still rocking 8GB of RAM. Upgraded from a GTX 680 to a GTX 1080, and everything is still just fine.

Sounds like AMD is winning.

>>386783096
I agree, I have the stock cooler on still and keep it oc'd at 3.7. The temperatures are nowhere near hot.

>>386783096
what temperatures are you getting? with my 7700k i needed an expensive noctua cooler. i thought noctua was a meme, but i don't go over 50 celcius. i've always been curious about how the ryzen coolers perform, but never looked it up.

>>386783262
>still rocking 8GB of RAM
i needed 16gbs for texture work. snagged 16gbs of ddr4 for $100 before the prices went to hell.

>>386783262
>amd releases a processor for professional use that easily beats the twice as expensive counterpart from intel
>I-its only for amd fanboys to be happy!

S A D
A
D

>>386783448
My only issue is multitasking. Occasionally, I'll have to close my browser to free up memory (usually 50+ tabs) then just restore my session once I close my game.

>>386783469
I dunno, I'm quite happy with my 5+ year system. Still runs everything just fine.

>>386781038
>faggots always use GPU-based games to benchmark CPUs
>when shit like World of Warcraft acts one of the best CPU benchmarks for gaming

Unless it's handling something like WoW which relies on CPU 90% of the time over GPU, those """""benchmarks""""" can rightfully get fucked.

>>386783276
Half winning. Can't wait to be disappointed by Vega on Monday.

>intel faggots crying

lel, is there anything better

>>386783671
>usually 50+ tabs
lmao. i still close my browser when i do texture work, since you're working uncompressed, you'll fill up 10+gbs of ram very quickly.

>>386783448
mid 40's under load in summer without AC and high 30'sºc outside, and you can barely hear the cooler.

it is a low TDP processor though.

i've always heard the 7700s are very good but run hot as fuck

to be quite honest what kept me away from intel on this upgrade was:
>only 4 threaded processors on 1600 price range and not that much faster in games, sometimes slower
>requiring to pay extra to overclock on both processors and chipsets
>stock coolers are pretty poor and required to spend extra on a good one
>intel still likes to change socket like a motherfucker every few months

i do like intel processors, but amd usually is more convenient on value and longevity of the sockets

>>386783873
Yeah, I'm already working on the plans for my next build. Probably gonna go for 128 GB RAM for RAMdrive use and so I never have to close anything ever.
I have a lot of disposable income and make a supercomputer every 7 years

>>386779423
But that's just wrong...

>>386783775
as someone who really dislikes nVidia atm, i think vega is useless unless the prices are really fucking good.

also, whatever happens every fucking vega card will be purchased by miners anyway

How many mh/s?

>>386784041
>mid 40's under load in summer without AC and high 30'sºc outside, and you can barely hear the cooler.
that's awesome.

>>386784041
>i've always heard the 7700s are very good but run hot as fuck

it does, but the problem is people are buying a $400 cpu and slapping on a $15 cooler, which is really stupid. i went intel this time around because the 7700k had everything i wanted, was on sale, and i got a discount on the mobo. i saw some weird compatibility issues with windows 7 and 10 on ryzen, but i hear they cleared that up. this was months ago though, and it would have crippled me at the time.

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>>386781038
This. How can AMD fags even compete?

>>386784157
Price and miners is part of the reason I'm ready for disappointment. The lowest card is $400 and it goes upward from there. No thanks to miners that will only be higher like the 1070 which was supposed to be in the $300s I thought.

>people still say games only use four cores when the most AAA games use at least 6

>>386784194
980~ i think.

>>386783775
>>386784157
they're a company just as any other, they don't care about the consumer any more than Intel if they would get away with it
The miners miners don't care Vega has shit price performance when it comes to gaming

>>386784330
dang it ya almost got me

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>be interested in the prospect of PC gaming
>realize that nearly every advertised/shilled game is western

Why doesn't Japan release their superior games on the superior platform? It only makes sense.

>>386778030
>AMD hasn't delivered a performant processor in literally over a decade

I know you're trolling, but holy shit, AMD is still fucking garbage.

>>386784565
buddy if you want weeb shit you either get a jap console or you run some shitty visual novels on a fucking toaster.

it's not rocket science.

>>386784565
Blame Nintendo. They struck out with home consoles and Sony followed.

>>386784448
No that would be insane. 2x ROI in like a day.

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Can we all agree that PC gaming would be better off if AMD or Intel went out of business? Vendor wars are hurting gaming.

>>386784692
>if you want weeb shit you either get a jap consol

so are you telling me that I need to buy an entirely different device, the device I was allegedly supposed to be replacing with this PC, if I want to play all the good games? I bought a PC to avoid the PS4, but I still need the PS4 in the end?

wtf i hate pc now

>>386778030
Ryzen was a complete let down, had MOAR CORES and still didnt best the 7700k, didnt even pay attention to thread ripper because i knew it would be more of the same.

someone make a "friendship ended with Intel new best friend" meme pic edit

>>386784908

But isn't Ryzen 5 better than the same priced Intel CPU?

>>386784897
>something would be better off if only 1 company had the monopoly over the available technology

eh?

>>386784907
Blame yourself for liking anime garbage.

>>386784565
But don't plenty already do? Hell, Tekken 7 on PC is among my next planned purchases.

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>>386784565
>Why doesn't Japan release their superior games on the superior platform?
The Japanese realize that playing games on PCs is wrong. They were designed for office work, not gaming.

If you want games, buy a game machine. It's not complicated.

>>386784907
yeah, it's what ya get for being an autistic fatso :(

>>386780039
Hasn't changed
>high core count
>good for threaded applications
>cheap

Too bad most games are still bounded to at 2-4 cores.

>>386785052
>le monopoly meme
Intel's been innovating for years without AMD's help. Sure, Threadripper looks impressive, but Intel announced the i9 not much later, and it looks even better.

Without AMD, we'd still have the i9. The monopoly meme is flawed.

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>>386784897
>Can we all agree that PC gaming would be better off if AMD or Intel went out of business? Vendor wars are hurting gaming.

I don't fully even know where to begin to explain to you how idiotic this statement is. In short:

AMD: Won console wars, failed miserably in desktop. Should be punished by going out of business

Intel: Backed gamergators, provides affordable chipsets, unmatched single-thread performance

AMD is fucking cancer, Ryzen is a marketing gimmick.

There is no ambiguity here.

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>>386783775
>Vega
>http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-review-sample-unboxing/
>New Vegas are already literally dead on arrival

>>386785197
oh boy....

>>386781409
>Looks like the i7 7740X is what you want
Well if you want a CPU that costs more than previous gen but hotter 2x more because of shit design than sure

Read some reviews before opening your mouth retard

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>>386785197
>i9
>Looks better

Should I bother getting a new computer with something like an i7 7700 and 1070? I just know the moment I do someone's going to come out with something even better.

Supposedly Quantum CPUs are close.

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>>386785090
Only a handful. For instance, anything Sega that's not Sonic isn't coming to PC for one reason or another. I dare say Sega (and their affiliates like Atlus and Vanillaware) are the only Japanese companies that don't support PC like, say, Namco or Capcom.

>>386785136
pls no bully

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>>386785447
>something like an i7 7700

if you can't pony up the litter extra for the i9, just get a console, kid

>tfw want to build a Threadripper system
>Tfw I have nowhere near the necessary funds to do such a thing
>Tfw I also have no real reason to build a system like that, I just want one because it's kind of absurd.

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>>386785447
>Supposedly Quantum CPUs are close

>>386784897
no, what we actually need is AMD to kick the shit out of Intel and Nvidia, and force them to be competitive.

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QUICK! Is the new I9 CPU's good for emulation or no? I don't know if I should go for water cooling first or new CPU.

>>386785447
>Quantum CPUs are close
depends on your definition of "close" I guess

>>386785685
>and force them to be competitive
hi, are you a high school freshmen taking econ 101 for the first time?

>Intel makes superior products
>Intel gets to charge more

you are literally ignorant socialist cancer.

>>386785724
I don't see them hitting consumers for another two years at least.

Building first pc, can't spend crazy money.

Am I good with Ryzen 5 1600 and A GTX 1060 6GB?

>>386785824
>suggest we need a strong free market
>you're a socialist

are you literally retarded?

>>386785693
Any modern CPU is good for emulation. But most emulators don't take advantage of more than 4 cores or 4 logical cores so getting an i9 would be pointless.

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HERE IN CANADA AMD KEEPS US WARM

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>>386785724
>depends on your definition of "close"
Well, they are """"""""""""quantum""""""""""
so the distance and time is relative

>>386778563
Came here to post this.

>>386786003
if you go all AMD you can benefit from hyperthreading between the CPU/GPU.

Makes no sense to mix n match

>>386786003
Yes

>>386785963
>2 years
You're off by quite a bit.

>>386780675
Yeah but to be honest it really depends. If you're someone who games, uses development software like Zbrush and Maya, game engines even a ryzen should be able to open these up and work just fine. I have no idea how the average person should need an I5 unless they are incredibly intensive and versatile with using creative software all at once.

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>>386784780
Oh yeah not mhz, the titan gets apparently over 100-150~mh/s.

>>386786013
>strong free market
You sound like a Republican. I hope you realize that.

>>386778030
"32 threads, 64 PCI-lanes, quad-channel memory, 3584 CUDA cores, and 11GB of VRAM makes a really good consumer-level workstation"

>>386785447
they won't be for general purpose computing, you theoretically cannot run traditional software on them

>>386785963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60OkanvToFI

>>386785963
You do know it requires an enormous amount of energy to power and cool a quantum computer right? There won't be any consumer level quantum computers in the foreseeable future.

>>386786103
meant to say i7

>>386786130
they're trying to be nice anon

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>>386778563

>>386784565

You say this, but Japanese games are increasingly coming to PC lately. It's not always at the same time as console launch, but they're trending up and not down, which is a good sign.

>>386786103
That Anon is still right though, an intel CPU would be better if pure performance. The problem is getting an 8 core CPU is like three times more expensive for a small performance increase which isn't really worth it.

>>386786130
dumb normalfags will fall for it

>>386786246
Nice filename

>>386785963

I wasn't aware Bill Gates was your average consumer.

>>386786318
I guess but my point is you have to be a particularly needy individual with a profound hobby or even job for an i7.

>>386786110
Wow

>>386786295
Yeah cool, but what about Sega's games like Yakuza, or their subsidiary's games like Persona or Dragon's Crown?

>>386778030
I have rarely met games that use more than 3 cores well or at all on my i7 X980 , most seem to be RAM/GPU dumps. So no idea why every processor manufacturer is pushing multiple cores when they are only really good for rendering video/audio or using adobe suite shit.

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>>386786130
I'm really looking forward to the Vega cards if they support SR-IOV, Linux workstation base OS, with the ability to dynamically load a Windows VM for legacy games as needed with both OSes having access to the GPU as needed.

It would be nice to not have to do that though, Windows is really falling behind lately in apples to apples tests and its only going to get worse as more games start using Vulkan.

>>386782679
>he has not seen episode 5

>>386786085

Thanks, I'll look into it to see if I need/care.

>>386786092
Cheers.

>>386786382
nice name, namefag.

>>386786246
why does it come with a candy

>>386786498

Obviously not every Japanese game is coming to PC. It's funny you bring up Sega though. They're probably the most PC friendly Jap publishing house.

>>386786118
>i'm now a socialist and a republican

how did you survive long enough to post here?

>>386786736
It's a case sticker.

>>386778249
Those games you listed only uses 4 cores.

>GPU doesn't show in device since I changed the cpu
What do?

>>386786738
>They're probably the most PC friendly Jap publishing house.

Dare I ask "how"? By porting games from last generation consoles MANY years after consoles had them, and then making new games only for consoles?

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>>386785197
>monopolies
>innovation

Take an economics class please.
Intel is innovating BECAUSE they want to stay above AMD.

>>386779964
Says who

>>386786085
I heard bad things about amd gpu and drivers but it was a few years ago, is that still a thing?

>>386787097

What is Creative Assembly, a Sega dev, responsible for one of the best PC exclusive franchises ( Total War ) of all time?

And yeah, porting games from a few years back is great. How is that not great? How is more good games on PC bad? How is that not good? It's more than fucking anyone else does.

I guess you could mention Square and Capcom for making sure their biggest bestest AAA shits make it to PC ( kinda )

>>386786445
Oh definitely. For the average gamer it's whatever. Hobby user? Saves a bit of time, but odds are you're rendering overnight.

I guess if you're a streamer or hosting your own servers then sure it's useful. Otherwise you're getting such a minimal performance increase, assuming 100% CPU usage, since background tasks + windows won't be interrupting a game.

>>386785586
I9 is more multicore trash without the numbers to back up the obscene price tag. It's a decent cpu with a shit cpu glued to the top to upsale idiot early adopters because it's new.

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>AMD for gaming

>>386787306
>creative assembly

Umm sweetie, we're talking about Japanese games here?

>And yeah, porting games from a few years back is great. How is that not great? How is more good games on PC bad?

Never said it was bad.

>How is that not good?

It is when they exclusively port games from the distant past while they keep the fresh quality games for consoles.

>It's more than fucking anyone else does.

In 2016 alone, Capcom ported Dark Arisen (from 2013) and Dead Rising 1 (from 2006) while also releasing SFV for both console and PC. Sega on the other hand has only given PC Bayonetta and Vanquish, while the PS4 has gotten Yakuza Zero, Puyo Tetris, Persona 5, and Azure Revolution.

>>386787594
>even nvidia knows when to abandon ship
face it anon, intel is done

>>386787306
>>386787779
>Reddit spacing

>>386778249
funny you say that because GTA 5, Witcher 3 and Watch Dogs 2 all spread their loads on 16 threads very easily, and could possibly spread it even more
You chose the wrong games for your shitposting

>>386787889
>Reddit meming

>>386787819
>nvidia took money to promote amd
>that means they're good now

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>>386780039
It's great man. It caught Intel pants down because they didn't expect Ryzen to be this good.

Intel has released 3 different architectures in less than 5 months trying to compete, but all of them are hotter, drain more power and perform worse clock per clock

>>386781038
>Posting on release benchmarks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RMbYe4X2LI

At least you don't come to /g/ anymore

>>386787908
>You chose the wrong games for your shitposting
Or he chose the games he's interested in. The games that actually do that are few and far between. Or he was cherrypicking like you are, GTA 5 and Witcher 3 are two of the most optimized games I've seen in a long time.

>>386787050
Untrue

>>386788046
>Or he was cherrypicking like you are
What am i cherrypicking exactly anon? I quoted the three games he was talking about. I don't know what cherrypicking has to do with it.
I expect an apology!

>>386787908
too bad it doesn't make those games less garbage

>>386784565
but edf 4.1 is all you need

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>>386785197
>AMD Threadripper cpu reviews:
>"Better than Intel in almost every way" - PC World
>"Kick ass for the price" - Anandtech
>"Core-i9 killer" - Tom's Hardware
>"Cpu on steroids" - Anandtech
>"STOMPS on the i9" - Register
>"Punts other puny CPU's just across the city" - Linus Tech Tips
>"Is this intels worst nightmare?" - Forbes
>"AMD rips through intels i9 in every way" -Extremetech
>"STOMPS on Intel" -PCworld
>"Destroys every other cpu on the market" - BGR
>"The worlds fastest processor"- VentureBeat

yeah kid, i9 looks better

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>>386785197

>>386786736
so you hallucinate the performance and tell your friends about it so they get baited too

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>>386786034
???

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>>386788035
Thanks, I'll get a Ryzen 7 most likely

>>386788790
GLUED TOGETHER

>>386789037
nice rugs

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>omg CPU X squeezes 5 more FPS than CPU Y
>B T F O

I'm still using a 4690K and it pretty much never goes to max load on anything. I don't think something so miniscule is worth this much shitposting.

>>386788940
Honestly my i7 2760 has been regularly running up to 100 for the past... what 5 years or so? My AMD GPU went out far before it did.

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>>386787964
>paying $100 extra for 5% more performance plus an extra $60-$80 for a decent cooler plus extra for a z270 board
you can shit on vega all you want but to disregard ryzen because "hurr its useless in gaming" makes you look like one grade A chucklehead.

>>386780175
Lol

>>386789037
Holy shit, that could have been me if I didn't get into weebfigures.

>>386788790
None of the i9s CPUs use a ringbus design

>>386785197
Do you even know what monopoly is? LOL.

>>386778030
>nvidia makes gpus only, they couldnt care less if you bought an amd cpu as long as you buy an nvidia gpu

>>386782471
>nforce

Holy shit i still got my broken nforce4 sli in storage.

>>386789709
It does, actually. L3 slow as fuck.

>>386789956
what

>>386789797
>AMD has clear advantage in 4K over intel corelets
>Nvidias gpu only advantage is running games at high resolution since 1080p is just overkill
I wonder why they want to their product look even better.

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>>386789101
I cracked up when Intel released that pathetic document. It's like if they had hired a /g/ poster to shitpost

>>386789165
Even an old I5 2320 or a FX 8320 are more than enough to play games at a reasonable quality at 60 fps. The reason everybody is flipping like chimps is because now that AMD are competitive again, Intel will finally stop releasing the same processors over and over again at retarded prices.

It's a win-win for consumers.

>>386789956
>>386790106

Ah you're right, According to pcgamer they don't use ringbus. Still, the latency seems too high

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-ongoing-testing-of-intels-x299-and-i9-7900x/

>>386789797
Well, there is spite.

Intel blocked Nvidia from producing x86 chips, locked them out of the motherboard market and destroyed the budget graphics market where they used to make the majority of their money but which no longer exists thanks to Intel bundling GPUs with their chips.
If AMD ever managed to really weaken Intel it would only mean good things for Nvidia.

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>>386785693

needing cooling is a myth, i do fine

>>386778030
wtf i hate intel now

>>386778030
>Nvidia says "hey AMD, your overkill processor works well with our overkill video card"
>Nvidia fanboys distort everything and actually think Nvidia is directly attacking AMD like they're high schoolers who love E-drama or something

>>386790914
>124 C
Anon are you okay?

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>>386785197
>Without AMD, we'd still have the i9

>I can actually afford a CPU with ECC RAM and enough lanes for multiple PCI-E SSDs

Maybe I CAN play and stream at the same time

>>386791208
yeah its just a mutual money making strat for both

>>386780675
>ure performance is all that matters and you have money to burn, you're better off going Intel.
>money to burn
Baka, it's not only money to burn, Intels HEDT are literal housefires and standard offerings are garbage compared to Ryzen, Coffee Lake has been confirmed to have no backwards compatibility with H270/Z270 which means dead socket, while AM4 is planned to be used for the next 4 years. Buying Intel at this point is more than burning money.

Yes fuck those intel faggots.

>>386782471
Nvidia bought out the company that was the major supplier for AMD at that point. They were contractually obligated to supply the chipsets.

>>386783032
You call that expensive but Intels trying to pedal their 18 Core variant for $1999, and their 16 Core for $1799

I have an i7-6700k. Is it worth upgrading?

>>386792746
No, Ryzen is absolute trash for gaming. It's Sandy Bridge IPC with moar corez.

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>>386790342
>According to pcgamer they don't use ringbus
Intel doesn't have any other way to string cores together other than ringbus, even their mesh topology is just more ringbusses between every core.

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>>386790914
>124°C

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-amd-ati-graphics,6311.html

Reminder that at one point they were caught price fixing but it was dropped. Probably because a lot of money started flying around.

>>386792746
wait for 7nm ryzen or whatever intel has if they respond with something better
>>386792843
that's all you need apparently >>386789489

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>>386784330
I see what you did there

It's still AMD though, or am I missing something?

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>>386793105
t h i c c

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>>386793105
Let me laugh at myself for the stock cooler,

>HAHA FAGGOT

There, now it's out of the way.

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>>386793105

>>386785212
>implying

>>386793318
wraith spire is fine, you can easily reach stable 3.8/3.9ghz. Way better than the stock intel coolers.

>>386792858
Is there any particular reason why they stick with it even though it's bad? Are better methods copyrighted or something?

>>386793115
Ryzen is genuinely impressive, especially when compared to the FX-series processors. Threadripper can give you server processing power for mainstream prices.

>>386793871
>Sandy Bridge IPC is okay because MOAR COREZ
Amdrones everyone.

>>386794083
>implying intel have made any significant ipc gains since 2008

>>386793738
It involves redeveloping their entire architecture ala what AMD did for Zen, Intel's been using the same P3 arch from the 1990's after Netburst's failure. Intel has supposedly got something in the pipeline but it's not due until 2020. They were relying on AMD folding I think.

>>386792746
That's a good CPU, what do you wanna do? Run quad 1080ti's?

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>>386794083
Broadwell IPC actually, my friend. And Intel hasn't made any major IPC gains in the last 6 years due to lack of competition and smartphone take over, this basically puts Ryzen among the heavyweights and it has competitive prices and more cores. For someone building a new rig right now, Ryzen is a much more flexible option.

>>386794083
Zen is actually pretty much on par in terms of IPC, the main hurdle is the process that's optimized for operation around 3 GHz and brickwalls hard around 4 GHz.

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>mfw AMD+nvidia

Intell shouldn't even be part of any conversation in the next 2-4 years. Their I9 fell flat and was literally rushed just so it can fight AMD's growing market share. Ryzen gained significant market share and literally the #1 bought processor in most countries and every suggestion out there is saying Ryzen and not intel.

The only advantage intel has these days is single core performance which only matters for a handful of games and emulators. And even if you want the best performance for gaming, one should account for the price of the motherboard/fan as this will make any intel build >$100 higher than Ryzen ones excluding the cost of the CPU itself.

>>386784565
It's Nintendo and Sony's fault, there were a ton of Japanese PC games back in the day. I don't really understand why consoles took off so well in Japan.

threadripper is the dark souls of cpus

>>386785486
Sega of Yurop loves PC, for some reason Sega of Japan hates it. It was SoE's idea to release Valkyria Chronicles on PC and the Japs got massively butthurt for some reason.

>>386787908
Funny that this "spreading" has nearly no advantage to a 4 core
. But good for (((them)))

>>386794083
Clock for clock Ryzen matches Devil's Canyon. Also SL/KL's IPC is only 30% higher than Sandy Bridge, so Ryzen is probably 10% off. the main difference is clocks. In comparison Bulldozer was like 25-30% worse in IPC and the clocks didn't scale as well as AMD had hoped.

>>386790914
The floor is lava

ITT richfags

>>386797556
There not being advantages to a 4 cores (4 threads*) CPU is not a good thing anon

>>386780321
how did soda bottle get into his other hand

>>386797949
This
>tfw all I have is a 3 year old HP laptop that's low spec and barely powerful enough for low spec vidya

>>386784157
If you're buying Vega for games get the bundle, it's $100 more but you get two games and a discount on Ryzen and a Freesync monitor. Although I wouldn't put it past miner scum to just eat the extra $100 and sell the Steam keys on G2A.

>he fell for the intel meme

I seriously hope none of you still buy intel CPUs

>>386797047
Single core performance is important and Intel still has the edge in this area, the thing is that Ryzen's single core performance is just good enough for all main applications and the extra cores and threads make Ryzen a very attractive choice.

>>386798498
Single core performance is important for office application as well since most normie programs are designed to run on the shittiest Celerons and Pentiums. Bristol Ridge APU's are still based on Excavator not Zen, so the Kaby Lake Pentiums have a definite advantage.

>>386798498
Not to mention that AM4 has an actual upgrade path to whatever follows up Zen, Coffee Lake has been confirmed to be incompatible with the current LGA1151 motherboards.

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>>386798810
>intel has to rely on pentiums now that ryzen has btfo of the entire i5 lineup and is within 5% of an i7
best timeline

>>386800287
and that 5% is only in gaming, the r5 1600 steps all over the 7700k in anything productive for $100 less.

So whats a decent cpu for gaming no streams and minimal browser tabs? Sporting an 8350 and a 1080 on a 1080p 144hz monitor

>>386801231
if you really want to upgrade now then a 1600 won't bottleneck anything, otherwise i'd wait for ryzen 2 or 3.

>>386795435
Me too, R5 1600X+GTX 1080 @ 1440p/144Hz.

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>>386802746
BUT YOU NEED A 7700K FOR HIGH REFRESH RATE

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Can some explain me when AMD began to be so outclassed and left behind by Intel and Nvidia? this was always the case ? i rembember when ati ws still its onw company this didnt happend.

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>>386805739
Don't you mean when Intel was left behind?
There is no reason to buy an intel cpu anymore at all

>>386805739
Two very different reasons. In 2000 Intel released the first iteration of the Pentium 4 which was a complete disaster, it was worse than high end Pentium III's and AMD's Athlon Thunderbird. Intel eventually salvaged it the best they could, then AMD crushed them with the Athlon 64, which Intel had to license. Their first dual core was shit as well, the Pentium D which was two Pentiums glued together. However they bribed OEM's like Dell and HP for exclusivity, basically they said if they supported AMD Intel would charge them more or even refuse to supply them. So OEMs sold Intel almost exclusively despite the Athlon 64 beating the P4 in almost every game and benchmark. So Intel managed to stay afloat long enough to modify the old Pentium III arch into the Core 2 Duo, which was sucessful. AMD made some missteps like overpricing their dual cores, the Athlon 64 X2 and especially the gamer oriented FX, tried to make a dual socket mobo for consumers which flopped, and then released the phenom, an Athlon successor which wasn't as impressive as the Core 2 Duo/Quad. then Intel came out with their first i7's and i5's, Nehelem and Westmere. AMD's Phenom II's had great price to performance but Intel still had the majority marketshare. Then Intel released Sandy Bridge, which was a massive improvement over the previous gen with the iconic i5 2500k and i7 2600k. AMD released Bulldozer, the FX CPU's for desktop, which despite having 8 cores, applications read it as 4 cores with 8 threads instead, and it had horrible IPC performance, actually slightly worse than the previous Phenom II X6 1090T. Sandy Bridge crushed it. AMD managed to improve it slightly with Piledriver, but Ivy Bridge crushed that as well. Once Haswell was out AMD was forced into the low end of the market, where they had to rely on APU sales. They had to design a new arch from scratch pretty much, that's where Zen comes from.

>>386778030
Direct X12 with amd+nvidia crossSLIfire

>>386806558
Part 2
There are a couple reasons for AMD/ATI's fall in the GPU market. You're right that ATI was always competitive in market share with Nvidia until recently. After AMD bought them out it's kind of been a money pit for them, their APU's are sucessful, and of course AMD mobile chips are in the PS4 and Xbone. But why does no one buy their desktop GPU's? A lot of it was the original Bitcoin mining boom. In 2012/2013 there was a huge flood of new PC gamers, and due to the shortage of AMD GPU's they all bought the 750Ti. Keplar and Maxwell were massively popular, in part due to the low power consumption. The 750Ti was great because you could stick it in any piece of shit OEM PC and it would work fine. Mining actually hurs AMD in the long run since they have zero mindshare in the eyes of PC gamers anymore, many people have never owned an AMD GPU simply because they're too hard to find or too expensive.

>>386806590
I can fit the number of games that support that with both my hands
Which I lost in 'nam so there are none

>>386778030
>1700x+1080ti
feels good, my 6700k was a piece of shit compared to what I can do with this processor

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>>386778030
>ITT: People who thought Nvidia was butt buddies with Intel
Hahahaha

Nvidia fucking hates intels guts

I don't think AMD is worried about their GPU business as they're selling out their cards.

>>386807853
While selling all their shit out is good for them, selling virtually nothing to their actual demographic gives their image bad rep.
But they basically know their cards are only good for mining so they aren't really missing any of the gamer demographic anyway. Vega is a toilet floater so whoop de doo gotta Just Wait(TM)

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fuck intel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osSMJRyxG0k

this isn't even deniable, why the fuck would you still support these fucks?

>>386808750
>fuck intel
>"Yeah intel is pretty shitty now, oh what's this vid"
>AdoredTV
The guy is a moron, could've just said your spiel and been done with it

>>386807498
6700k wasn't a bad chip, i hope you're making full use of those cores/threads.

>>386808750
god that accent is grating.

More than two cores is still irrelevant for 99% of all games (clock speed is still king). DX12 and Vulkan are aiming to change that, but it will all depend on whether or not the the new engines (and their associated flagship games) deliver.

R8 my build
I don't know jack shit about building a pc I just put stuff together that was compatible and had good ratings and price

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>>386809157
Completely
Multiple VMs, Adobe suite is a hog, switching from photoshop to lightroom to premiere and after effects
Davinci resolve, etc

6700k was 4 core hyberbreading and I'm getting basically the same if not better 4k gaming performance. Better minimums and with my faster ram it trades blows with the 7700k

>he's deciding on what CPU to get before the Coffee Lake reveal
top keke

>>386809595
>still shitty TIM
>still bingbus
>still low PCIE count
>literally mobile tier
Yeah, DOA basically. They pushed it up too far just like skylake and kabylake x

>>386809595
>Zero IPC improvements
It's nothing, it's Skylake with more cores done better

>>386809551
Forgot link
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QMdjr7

>>386809719
>>386809787
>all this fake news

>>386798498
Kerbal Space Program and some of other games I play still focus on single core performance. I was looking at upgrading to Ryzen and it would actually make my experience worse than my intel chip.

You fags dont remember, but amd and nvidia were bff before amd bought out ATI, Huang was furious.

>>386809892
At least get DDR4 memory senpai

I know you're going for a barebones cheap build but at least be on the current platform. Bulldozer sucked dick too

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>>386809892
>Wireless Internet
>Year of our lord
>Are you aware it's the current [year of our lord]?

>>386809892
thank fuck you didn't buy anything yet, you can get waaaay more for the money. You're gonna have to scrap everything except maybe the psu and monitor. Full budget?

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>>386809968
That's not exactly fake news
It's literally the truth, there are no IPC improvements and it still has everything that make kabylake and skylake bad. It's literally just Skylake-X without the ludicrous power consumption

>>386809892
I think that CPU is going to bottleneck the GPU.
The build is shit. Sorry.
>>386810279
Can you even use DDR4 in the mobo? I don't think so.

>>386810548
i don't have anything right now, but if I did I'd say $400-$800. I'm a poorfag sorry I'll have to save up.

>>386809892
>>386810818
Btw, don't spend 100 buckaroos in a fucking keyboard and mouse, when your PC is so poor.
Get a CMStorm combo, or something cheap like that. Use the money to improve your CPU to an older i5, or something.

>>386785685
To be honest you can't complain about Nvidia not being competitive.
They are so fuckin competitive that VEGA is barely matching their mid-range chip on the GTX1080, while the top tier chip on the GTX1080Ti is still unmatched, and they have Volta coming out in just a few months.

If Nvidia was even slightly more competitive that it currently is, AMD would be dead.

>>386811185
>CMStorm combo
DO NOT. Mine was broken with minimal use. Just after warranty. THOSE SHIT BASTARDS.

>>386782502
This sort of marketing resonates with me

>>386787819
Intel might have fucked up this round, but they have so much money that they can afford to fuck up for decades, no jokes

>>386810095
>KSP
Unity has upcoming support for multicore. Just wait.

>>386811420
kek, my mouse wheel stopped working after a year. KB still going strong, though.

>>386810095
Can currently disprove this
My 1700x handles the workload very well in KSP, no issues whatsoever. Actually better than my 6700k did when it comes to physics

>>386807049
There is anything they can do to be competitive again,it seems like is imposible to them.

>>386811591
Neat. I hope Take 2 funds KSP 2 and they can use a better engine.

>in B4 microtransactions REEEEE

>>386809892
there you go lad
be sure to double check the PSU, because i know a certain line for a little more is GOAT, but i cant be fucked spending more time on this.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KYKPpb

>>386811695
FUCKKKK!! Same thing broken on mine but the numpad which was never used is somehow wonky and pressing randomly.

So what I've gathered from this thread is that intel is now officially team reddit and amd is now /ourguys/?

>>386786029
What if I wanna fap while playing vidya and shitpost all at once, while rendering 3D scenes?

>>386810879
probably best to wait anyway, gpu prices haven't recovered yet. The 1050 ti is the only decent card unaffected by cryptomining right now. Better to invest more into a better cpu/platform. You can always upgrade

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3qMGZ8

>>386811703
I don't think that you would run into issues, just that it isn't enough to buy a new board and chip for, unless you're a good goy.

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>>386778030

>>386811718
>>in B4 microtransactions REEEEE
You're playing KSP and you didn't know? Multiplayer support is paid DLC/subscription.

>ryzen 5 1600 with 1060
D-Did I do good for 60fps 1080p?

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Why are so many Nvidia shills saying this is a btfo ITT when it's the exact opposite of that?
>Hey we make great GPUs, you make great CPUs, let's team up like we did with Intel CPUs
>WOW BTFO WOW LOL GET SOME LOTION FOR THAT BURN .2 cents added to account
I swear /v/ thinks the world runs on their logic.

>>386811841
Will nvidia is still there so the jew should only be half worried.

>>386811974
Yes but if you bought a SSD with that then no because I feel you're that guy in that thread yesterday or a few hours ago or something.

>>386811987
>I swear /v/ thinks the world runs on their logic.
You mean real life doesn't care about brand loyalty?

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Does this mean i should upgrade my i5-6500?????

>>386812031
>blaming the Jews for your small penis

>>386811740
>1600x when the 1600 is the better value
>noctua cooler on a budget build when wraith spire will do him just fine
>no gpu
>literally $10 more for 3000mhz ddr4, crucial for ryzen
that's better than anon's original build but that isn't saying much.

>>386812093
>You mean real life doesn't care about brand loyalty?
Yes
Real life also doesn't have literal brand fanbase wars like /v/ does either

>>386812101
nyet

Which is better for 3D work, like modeling rendering etc. intel or amd? I was planning on upgrading soon from a factory build PC I got in 2012, it has an old i7 in it.

>>386812064
No I bought a 3tb harddrive.

>>386786550
>dynamically load a Windows VM for legacy games as needed with both OSes having access to the GPU as needed.
Is this even possible?

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>>386811987
>/v/ is one person
Go back to /g/ and complain about /v/

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It means that NVIDIA and AMD have publicly announced in a subtle manner that the wars were a phony marketing scheme to hid the fact that both corporations are competing to hurt your freedom.

>>386812223
Why are you one of those types of retards where if someone is obviously talking about a trend on /v/ you default to spouting the retarded "LOL /V/ ONE PERSON IMPLYING" meme? /v/ isn't one person, but it has trends.

>>386812101
no, you're fine for now. Consider upgrading once 7nm ryzen is out.

>>386788790
I wonder who's small white penis is behind this post?

>>386811740
>>386811819
Thanks bros, much appreciated

Also
>>386811740
I'll look over it, I think I have a friend that'll help me with that.

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Best processor pair with 1080Ti water cooled?
Gayming only 4k

>>386812031
>nvidia
>jew
Nvidia is currently the only one out of the three that doesn't have an office based in isreal

>>386811987
can't deny that vega is pretty lackluster

>>386812362
You gotta go back man, you're not ready
>>>funnyjunk

>>386812147
Thats the lowest build anybody should do. The GPU is my rec, but hes free to pick which ever one he wants seeing is it will massively blow his budget. The x has better OOTB clock speeds. And RAM is whatever,DDR4 is still fucking expensive no matter what you get.
>>386812423
no problem lad, take it to /g/pcbg as well.

>>386812147
Not him but how you improve it. Post a link

>>386812176
If you're old one is still working just wait. Only thing that will make ryzen/new intel cpu do for you is faster rendering time(and probably previews) so unless you're working for a company that needs your stuff quickly, then getting your file 1 hour to 30 minutes earlier than what you have now is not worth it to buy a new comptuer.

>>386812427
Theyve done kike shit in the past so theyre honorary jews.
That being said, i currently have a 980 so.

>>386812495
>uh oh, I was being a stupid faggot
>better move the goalposts and call him new
Kill yourself

>>386812425
nothing can push 4k past 60hz so an r7 1700/x should be fine.

>>386809551
oh, a r8 thread how cool
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kbgdhq

>>386785824
more like
>Intel makes vastly inferior products
>bribes the shit out of every OEM
>nobody can afford to sell AMD systems and lose their bribe money, even if AMD gives chips away for free
>AMD's R&D budget suffers
>we get shit like Bulldozer

>>386812576
So has AMD

Pretty sure literally every company on this green earth has done kike shit

Except for schiit, schiit is bro tier

>>386806558
>>386806590
thanks for the info senpai

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>>386810203
Before Jensen founded Nvidia, he worked for AMD designing computer processors. Nvidia and AMD used to collaborate back then against their mutual enemy, Intel, who has repeatedly fucked both companies over in a variety of different ways.

After AMD bought Ati, their relationship pretty much dried up, because AMD became a computer graphics competitor with Nvidia. Nvidia's gone on to be hilariously successful, turning over billions and billions of dollars every year, but AMD's suffered continuous problems with declining marketshare and business because of shitty management and lack of money.

Nvidia's recently been putting out recommendations for AMD's new Ryzen CPUs; which is why people think that Jensen sympathizes with AMD in some way. From a strategic standpoint for Nvidia, it's an opportunity to make more money selling Nvidia GPUs and AMD CPUs to the server or desktop market, and also distance itself from relying solely on Intel for certain things it needs to accomplish.

For Jensen, it's revenge.

>>386812798
>it's everyone elses fault for Bulldozer
just take the L man, that was all on AMD, they did that shit twice by releasing piledriver
Then they fixed it all with Ryzen and etc

>>386787287
Having switched to AMD last year, honestly I prefer AMD's GPU drivers for the most part. OpenGL performance is a little lacking, but there aren't many games that use OpenGL, and performance in Vulkan, the successor to OpenGL is absolutely amazing.

>>386812736
Why not 7700k or 8700k?

So, lads
I'm looking for a GPU.
What are the non asian aftermarket GPU brands?
Murican, Yuropoor, I mean.

>>386812502
>The x has better OOTB clock speeds
rendered pointless once you oc the 1600. You can reach 3.8/3.9ghz easily on the wraith spire. As for ram i agree with you, you're going to spend a lot so you might as well spend a little more for higher frequency dimms. 3000mhz is the sweetspot for price/performance with ryzen.

>>386812535
>>386811819

>>386813069
>7700k
>4 cores
>stuttering houesfire
>shitty thermal paste
>8700k
>not even close to being out yet

>>386782604

t. fails to understand benchmarking

>>386812746
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tfz8tJ

let me know when they start making games worth upgrading for

>>386812542
Ah ok, thanks for the tip

>>386813069
i'd recommend a 7700k for higher refresh rate displays (1440p 144hz and below), but since you're running 4k i'd rather go with ryzen.

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I bought a RX480 along with my Ryzen 1600, right before the bitcoin fever.
It's not as bad as people make it out to be for 1080p gaming, plus it somehows gets a performance boost by being paired with a Ryzen. But still
>too poorfag for Nvidia

>>386784308
7700 costs 300$ not 400$. also even with 100$+ aios the 7700k has proven to hit temp limit

>>386813884
>It's not as bad as people make it out to be for 1080p gaming
I don't think anyone's saying that. The RX480 is excellent performance for your dollar.

>>386813884
It's a pretty good build. Stop whining.

>>386784907
There are plenty of weeb games on PC they just don't require very powerful computers which is really a good thing when you think about it.

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>>386813884
>didn't sell it on ebay for $500 during etherium peak
you goofed anon, i got rid of my 290 for $350

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>>386812969
>Intel's rebate payments to Dell maxed out that fiscal quarter, February to April 2006, at $805 million
>That figure represented 104% of Dell's net income for the quarter.
>AMD noted that it tried to give HP a million free processors at one point, only to be told that HP was so dependent on Intel rebates, it couldn’t afford to take them.
Had it not been for Intel's monopolistic practices, AMD would have absolutely dominated during the Pentium 4 era, especially in the server market.
It's really impossible to say, but it's very likely things would have turned out differently if AMD hadn't been running out of money.
And they released three revisions of Bulldozer- Piledriver, Steamroller, and Excavator, not just one. CPUs take a while to design, so they were stuck iterating on Bulldozer while a replacement was lined up.

>>386778030
>What did they mean by this?
AMD finally made a processor thats competitive with Intel.

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>>386814262
>AMD noted that it tried to give HP a million free processors at one point, only to be told that HP was so dependent on Intel rebates, it couldn’t afford to take them.

>>386780175
Threadripper and the X series intel are enthusiast tier stuff completely unnecessary for gaming. Ryzen 7 or a 7700k are already overkill for gaming and could run anything you can throw at them at 4K already.

>>386778030
They are aware that AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU is the OTP.

>>386813075
So like this then?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kZMGZ8

>>386778030
you can mine a lot with a mixture of both google

>>386783753

That's because you need a good benchmark to benchmark a game. It has to be as close to 100% the same as possible.

This is why you don't see a lot of BF multiplayer benchmarks but you do see single player. It is a controlled environment.

>>386784330
reminds me of those shitty benchmark vids and fox news statistics

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>>386782912
I've been emulation a ton of PS2 games recently and my 1600X runs even the most intensive stuff like SotC just fine.