what's the /v/erdict on this game?

Graphics and music are the best thing it has going for it.
Interesting gameplay. You may like it, you may not.
Stupid story. Especially too the end, very confusingly written. Radical Dreamers was a beta test for this game's plot and it still made more sense.

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>>386748796
Pretty much this. It's a great game for the PSX library, very lovingly crafted and high quality. I've got fond memories of it, and I still listen to the soundtrack today.

It's a beautiful game despite it's flaws or the controversy of it being a "sequel" to Trigger. It is and it isn't.

Also yeah, Radical Dreamers is great too. Awesome VN experience.

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>we never truly get to save Schala from her fate
it hurts

>>386749784
Radical Dreamers is a lovely experience. Just make sure to get comfy first.

>>386750272
Good, she deserves to suffer

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>>386750272
They could've just made a Chrono Trigger 2 to tie that loose end up. Could've even been released alongside Radical Dreamers or something.

>>386750432
I did, and man. That's a comfy memory.

>>386750272
It always bugged me how you don't get a "true" ending for beating Lavos at the Ocean Palace. The developer's ending is a gag, and it feels wrong to get a joke ending by defying the odds at one of the most important story beats.

>>386751370
You're right. You would think that would've been the best time to beat Lavos, but think about how the future would've changed if Zeal never fell. It would've changed everything. Same if you were allowed to kill Lavos before he even landed on Earth.

>>386751370
I think in the DS version after the Ocean Palace incident, she was sent to Darkness Beyond Time where the defeated Lavos absorbed her allowing it to survive and further strengthen it's ability to travel time becoming the Dream Devourer.

>>386747394
it alright

>>386751635
Zeal would still have fallen after Lavos' defeat, since Zeal drew its power from Lavos.
You could have saved Schala and perhaps Queen Zeal and Janus too.

>>386747394
superior gameplay to CT.

>>386747394
It's a great game if you think of it as a lone game and not compare it to Trigger. Hell, if they changed the name of the children on the beach and turned Lucca into a different character with that accent, would anyone complain about it as much as they do?

Still my favorite game of all time, lots of good memories playing it.

The story may be told poorly at times, but its incredibly interesting if you do enough digging to fully understand it. Its a lot easier to follow if you play Radical Dreamers first.

Its not perfect, but it does enough unique and interesting stuff to make it a game worth playing. Ignore Triggeredfags who hate it because "they stole my characters' happy ending from them".

>>386751936
Good point. In that case it would've been the true ending.

I liked Cross' story a lot more than Trigger's.

As someone that's played both (including the DS port of CT), I feel like a minority.

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>>386747394
Too much characters and piss the lore of the original.

It was a great game.

>>386752489
Got to the CC forum on GameFAQs. You'd find like-minded people there.

>>386752731
Here on /v/, though.

Trigger is a great game, no question, but Cross gets shit on for the reason >>386752182 gave.

It's possibly the best jrpg on PS1 except for the plot, which isn't make much difference since every jrpgs on ps1 has shit plot.

>>386752871
I actually thought /v/ also hates Trigger. I saw some threads not long ago that were shitting on it, but I haven't noticed anyone ever mentioning Cross.

>>386747394
Messy and confusing, flawed despite cute music and gfx. For me main problem was characters, there was just too much of them to care. Dropped it halfway through, never picked up simce, kinda shame.

>>386752987
/v/ hates everything.

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I never played cross
is it true that Chono and Co all die in it?

>>386753149
They all die off screen and don't factor into the plot very much.

>>386753149
They show up as ghosts, only Lucca was the one implied to be killed.

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>>386753178
>>386753214
how does each of them die

>>386753149
What the fuck did they do to Ayla?

>>386753261
we never get to know what happened to Frog, Robo, and Ayla.
Crono and Marle appeared alongside Lucca as ghost children.

>>386747394
The title screen is maximum aesthetic

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>>386753149
>best girl got killed by a literal who villain because the worst girl needed a backstory and a revenge plot

>>386753261
Not sure about chrono and marle, but it's implied Lynx kills Lucca.

>>386753586
Schala/Kid did nothing wrong though?

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>>386753345
Made her 100% sex

>>386753586
>Lucca
>Best girl
Eh, but i respect you're opinion

>Kid
>Worst girl
So true

>>386752616
too much of something isn't bad. just don't use them. I don't see anyone whining about 105 characters in suikoden

>>386753782
Her face is fucked.

>>386752182
Somebody post that huge Chrono Cross story summary collage.

Or the one about Earth seeds.

>>386753753
I would've rather had Kid just be a qt pirate girl who just used to be an orphan instead of a Schala clone sent back in time to find the Destiny Trigger or whatever they called Serge.

The fact that Serge existing is what splits the timelines and the fact that he is called "assassin of time" by FATE may imply he actually ends up killing Crono, Lucca and Marle in the past while they are children through some mindfuckery with FATE in a timeline before the events of Chrono Cross. This explains the Home World timeline and the ghost children being children.
The story is confusing as hell but kind of fun to speculate about. A shame we won't get Chrono Break.

>>386753952
You don't hear much about Suikoden in general, especially not in a Chrono thread.

Too much of something is bad. That means not enough went into other areas.

>>386754135
I see where you're coming from, but wouldn't just make her character a tad shallow with no purpose in the story besides being a qt blonde girl just for the sake of shoving a filler character for your party?

Giving Schala blonde hair, it really can't even be described as anything but mental retardation.

>>386753373
Robo is F.A.T.E., the super computer that's the crux of Lynx's plan.

>>386754517
I hear people say the enlightened ones dyed their hair or something retarded like that.

>>386754493
I'm speaking more from the perspective of someone who liked Radical Dreamers better as a complete package. In there, if I'm remembering correctly, Serge is just Serge and Kid is just kid. They're rolling with Magus for some reason, and Serge talks.

>>386754553
I thought Robo was Prometheus, who FATE kills for allowing Serge to become the prime directive or whatever.

>>386754654
Well then they re-fuck it up by closing any gaps between Trigger and Cross in CT DS where she has blue hair.

Did you enjoy the two parallel worlds?
How could that be improved, and what games also feature going back and forth like that?

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BEST

>>386754741
Meh, you're probably right. Its been awhile.

The point is he is in the game.

>>386754781
Hmmm... it's a bit strange why the pendant Schala wears was passed down to the Guardiana royal family (the thing that Marle wears, and the sole reason why Crono and team was able to time travel at all).
Marle has blonde hair, and it was implied that Guardiana descended from Zeal... meaning the hair dying thing could be true.

>>386754898
Literally Bulma, not that I'm knocking it.

Why didn't we ever get a full-fledged CT anime by Toriyama?

>cross includes a couple of throwaway "oh uh yeah this was a trigger character" changes, a piddling basically-qte post-final boss, and some rushed text dumps just before it, so that square can push the chrono branding
>somehow this retroactively nukes every copy of trigger and everyone's memory of it forever, only cross describes what truly happened
>literally everything else about cross (game systems, visuals, etc.) along with the trigger-free remaining 95% of its story somehow no longer matters or exists

chrono cross is one of the most interesting games of the era, and i genuinely don't understand this mindset of refusing to appreciate anything about it, because it somehow "ruins" a completely different game (on a completely different system) that was doing completely different things

>>386755189
Square was more focused on Final Fantasy, and let the Chrono series rot.

>>386754391
Break got trademarked just before Square-Enix merger, probably it got scrapped because of that.

>>386753373
Miguel shows up five seconds later and specifically tells you they aren't actually ghosts, they're just echoes of a dead timeline. Chrono and Marle survive.

>>386753373
Ayla hunted dinosaurs each day and fucked Kino each night for the rest of her life.

>>386755553
What's in a name, right?

Apparently a lot.

>>386755778
>echoes of a dead timeline

Which one?

Overall great game. Would have been better off if they just excluded Chrono Trigger altogether. It was nice having alot of characters to choose from and the multiple endings/ new game+ is great

>>386755580
there's no reason to continue it really. CC didn't even need to exist.

>>386755580
People who have spoken with Square higher ups have said that there is some reason that they simply can't make another Chrono game. No further details were given, but they act like it's a pretty firm impossibility.

>>386755823
Probably the unaltered timeline where the Trigger crew saved the world, before Lavos was able to meddle with the timeline through the Frozen Flame.

>>386755823
>which one
this is just me pulling speculative shit out of my ass, but the timeline during Crono and Marle's childhood was destroyed by Lavos (hence why they appear as ghost children in Cross.)

remember that Lavos was able to survive by fusing with Schala and over time evolved into being the Dream Devourer and matured into the Time Devourer

>>386756138
maybe killing lavos.

>>386747394
A bad game with good visuals and music.

>>386753540
seconding, goat title screen

>>386756250
So what you're telling me is the Time Devourer ate the timeline from Chrono and Marle's childhood.

Nevermind that "fusing with Schala to turn into the Dream Devourer and then the Time Devourer" is probably one of the stupidest sentences I've ever read involving a JRPG plot.

>>386756438
>So what you're telling me is the Time Devourer ate the timeline from Chrono and Marle's childhood.
yes, probably because this prevented the Trigger cast from discovering timetravel, it would be a good idea to kill them off as children.
>Nevermind that "fusing with Schala to turn into the Dream Devourer and then the Time Devourer" is probably one of the stupidest sentences I've ever read involving a JRPG plot.
this is true though, you did play CT:DS yes? and the secret boss is called the Dream Devourer (Lavos fused with Schala), and the true final boss in Cross is the Time Devourer.

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>>386756250
>remember that Lavos was able to survive by fusing with Schala and over time evolved into being the Dream Devourer and matured into the Time Devourer
>Lavos and Schala were cast into the Darkness Beyond Time
>Lavos was able to mature over time

Really microwaves my popcorn.

>>386756731
Yes, I did play it, and it still sounds stupid. It's just needlessly convoluted, probably in a vain attempt to tie the game to Trigger.

I really liked the song that plays if you get the best ending.

>>386757075
>It's just needlessly convoluted, probably in a vain attempt to tie the game to Trigger.
i somehow believe there is some truth to this, honestly. Cross' plot somehow invalidates the Trigger team's effort of saving the world.

>>386756138
>Probably the unaltered timeline where the Trigger crew saved the world

So the dead timeline is Trigger's good ending(s)?

>>386756731
What the fuck are you talking about? Lavos couldn't eat regular timelines, only dead ones in the process of breaking down. He was a parasite barely hanging onto his existence by latching on Schala who was still a regular temporal entity not being broken down as a piece of a dead timeline. His revenge on humanity was orchestrated through the Frozen Flame and drawing back Chronopolis and Terratower, and using the Dragon God as a weapon.

Lavos could never undo his destruction, he was just going to sit there and keep fucking with the timeline for more snacks until he was strong enough to reach out beyond his prison.

>>386757304
Probably, it isn't confirmed or anything, but it makes sense. When Lavos drew Chronopolis back in time after fusing with Schala, it essentially rewrote the timeline to one where Chronopolis was there all along. The timeline from Trigger would be overwritten and break down at the Darkness Beyond Time.

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>>386757330
>>386757550
I feel like Masato Kato got the idea of time eaters from Stephen King's Langoliers. The rest is just good old JRPG-tier autism.

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>>386757275
Pretty much. Something about the dangers of meddling with time, except if we're meant to buy into Cross' subtext about Schala being the heart of the planet, she instigated all of the events of Trigger anyways.

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>>386747394
Best soundtrack ever. Will buy import on steam if there ever was one.

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>>386759651
Edgy Pinocchio/10

>>386759774
He... wasn't really edgy, was he? If he stops you there, you never go and beat the shit out of FATE and the Frozen Flame never gets released.

Or am I remembering wrong?

Also, I found the idea of a fucking fisherman pulling these powerful moves out of his back pocket really cool at the time.

>>386759937
Just look at him. He looks like an old Pinocchio in a grimdark anime. I don't remember why he tries to stop you.

He's badass, sure, but it's like he shows up out of nowhere and now you have to kill him. He was friends with Serge's dad apparently.

>>386747394
Better than Trigger.

Awful game, and basically shits on everything good about Trigger.

If you unironically like it, kill yourself.

>>386759651
i replayed the game multiple times because of this fuckboy

>>386760130
Yeah, he and Serge's dad (who had a japanese sounding name... errr, Sazaki? Something like that) were in the same boat when they tried to save Serge from the shadow panther poison that got stranded at Chronopolis on that stormy night. So he should know everything that Lynx info-dumps on you later.

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>>386760308
I remember losing against FATE a lot. In hindsight, I remember that being pretty cool.

Dario was also a tough fight. Same music plays here as when you fight Sazaki in the Dead Sea.

>>386760564
>>386760458
Sorry, not Sazaki. What was the fisherman's name again?

I got to disc 2 and lost motivation 'cause life sucked and I wanted to kill myself.

God I wish I could find this game again so I could play it.

>>386760643

It was a really boring name like Gilbert or something.

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>>386760643
Miguel

>>386760643
The fishermen is Miguel.

>>386760564
i think i've done about 3-5 playthroughs on the ps1 then attempted to do it again on emulator years ago.
that one time i finally beat miguel on ps1, i got stuck on dario so i had to replay again cause i may have missed a star.
i was doing well on emulator until the game just crashed a lot. that was probably 9 or 10 yrs ago now. to this day i haven't finished chrono cross but i loved this game because of the art direction and soundtrack. story is really retarded

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Love the story and the soundtrack.
Does the mean I have autism?

>>386760894
Dario is easy, he has a very stupid AI. Keep one of your characters on debuff/revive duty (using non-white spells means he retailates with shitty debuffs) and equip the black plate (you... you didn't forget to steal from the dragons, did you?) to Serge. You can heal him back to full by using any white spell because Dario retaliates with a very damaging black tech that, because you have the black plate equipped, heals you.

>>386761295
yeah i did that. it was the only way i could beat him after about 2 playthroughs. i never get why i had to do the hard way when i could've probably just look for ways to get an extra star since you can't power level in this game.
the last time i got stuck was >>386760564
i think with the fight against serge. i was almost done then the game just died.

>>386761552
There are actually some sort of hidden XP levels. I have no idea what they are based on, but sometimes you just randomly get a big boost in power without getting a star.

A good way to win is using Sprigg, if you pick up some of the more bullshit monster forms she can steamroll a lot of stuff.

>>386761825
also i had to find a way to get more stars since getting Glenn will get you lesser stars i guess.

i don't know when i'll be able to play this game again. i think it won't be the same as i remember now. if it gets a steam release i hope the graphics will hold up today

Harle was too sexy for her own good.

Jesus christ, I'd frech fuck the shit out of her.

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>>386763581
Iz ova her Monsieur