Please begin the friendly discourse.

>>386744729
Skyrim belongs to the nords

>>386744729
I would dare say that the Imperial faction is much more consistent and bodes a much better future for the Skyrim region than the rebellious Stormcloak faction.

Anything that is against the Thalmor. I wish we could have united the factions against them, but Bethesda is gay

>>386744729
I'm about to reinstall. Has anyone tried the mod that makes NPC AI like the Sims?

>>386744937
Being able to unite them would simply remove all choice.

Stormcloaks are controlled opposition. Go with them if you're a true Nord but Skyrim has a better chance against the Thalmor with the Empire than alone.

We've been over this. The Stormcloaks are retareded because:
A) Their main point of contention, the Talos ban, was not being enforced at all until they started protesting it.
B) Ulfric's claim to the throne is invalid because he cheated in his "duel" with Torygg.
C) They are the giving the Thalmor exactly what they want, two smaller enemies who hate each other instead of one larger united one. Divide and conquer.

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>Stormcloaks win
>Thalmor roll in and beat the everloving shit out of everything thanks to the stormcloaks not wanting to work with the imperials to take out the greater threat

>Imperials win
>General Tullius' plan for a rebellion against the Thalmor continues, potentially leading to the empire getting rid of those prissy little fucks with a much stronger force than any stormcloak bullshit

Everything about this game was shit
The combat is shit
Movement is shit
Spells are
Dialog choices are shit
Dungeons were shit
Enemies are shit

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>>386745076
Please continue...

Reminder that until Ulfric caused the Markarth incident, Talos worship was still practiced unpoliced in Skyrim and anybody was free to engage in it.

Reminder that there was no civil war in Skyrim until Ulfric became a power hungry moron, and used an ability taught to him in good faith to murder a rightful ruler.

Reminder that the Stormcloaks are simply being misled, and are still decent people (who are 100% right to want to kill all the fucking elves)

The battle plan WAS ALWAYS to treaty with them, outbreed them and then in 20 years crush them with superior numbers. Human birth rates are 20 to 30 times what elves push out, meaning we could have had a single generation pass and outnumbered them hugely. But no, lets have a civil war to cut down our numbers with massive causalities, and make the Thalmor even stronger.

Stupidity is choosing the Stormcloaks
Being slightly less stupid is choosing Empire
Being smart is uniting and wiping out the Elves

How do I have FUN in this game?

I WANT TO HAVE FUN.

>>386745116
I M P L Y I N G

Bethesda deliberately made The imperials The right choice. So obviously them

>Reminder you are an idiot if you pick stormcocks

>>386745076
whivh one? Immersive citizens? I don't know of any mod that fits your (vague) description

>>386745328
>Imperials win
>every human race in Tamriel is perpetually bent over to accommodate BIG ELF DICK for the next thousand years

>Stormcloaks win
>nords get genocided
>every remaining human race in Tamriel is perpetually bent over to accommodate BIG ELF DICK for the next thousand years

Better dead than cucked

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>>386745716
What are you even talking about?

>>386745716
>There is still people who unironically think the Empire isn't scheming to overthrow/destroy the Aldmeri Dominion

>There are people who didn't understand the presence of Thalmor at the beginning of Skyrim was to save their puppet's ass, and that's why General Tullius ordered his summary execution

>>386745716
>for the next thousand years
we'll outbreed and outnumber them in 15, maybe 20. By the time Skyrim (the game) starts, its already been a while.

>>386745557
The way I learned to have fun in Skyrim is not to make builds. Skyrim is very shallow, so if you try to restrict yourself to a build playstyle, you're not gonna get enough to have fun for long.

>>386744729
>both are terrible
>can't start your own faction, win the war, and conquer skyrim with your arsenal of daedric artifacts

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>>386745694
>>386745397
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/77792/?

>>386746080
Fucking this. I tried to make an Imperial Legate Loyalist type build but I found that there was nothing to do after the civil war quest line, I couldn't join the thieves guild because a legate would not do that and I couldn't join the assassins guild for obvious reasons. A Bethesda game punishing me for wanting to RP, what a shock.

>>386746101
>Using meme arrows when you're not supposed to
>Autism

A more important question:

What wil be Todd & Co.'s workaround for the Civil War outcome in the next TES?

Yet another Dragon Break?

>>386746437
>replying
>on an image board

shiggy

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>>386746101
This fact alone makes Skyrim the worst TES.

I'm the fucking dragonborn, basically the second coming of Tiber Septim and Reman Cyrodiil, every single dragonborn carved their own empire in the world but you're telling me that I have to be the fuckboi of a shitty corrupt empire or a shitty power-grabber who just cares about being the high king?

>>386744729
Imperials are the only objectively good choice. The Stormcloaks are short sighted and fucking stupid. While either side winning would be beneficial to skyrim in the short term, the Empire needs to stand united against the piss skinned knife ears. The Stormcloak victory would only fracture the Empire further and lead to the deaths of practically everyone in Skyrim.

>>386744937
Generally speaking you can unite them with a Legion victory. I'm not trying to come off as a thalmor apologist, but the only option that works in the long term is a legion victory. Skyrim can worry about its independence when the thalmor are reduced to ashes. An independent skyrim would be weak to massive threats like the thalmor, so uniting it with the Empire -- even if it's temporary -- is the best choice.

>>386744729
If you are shortsighted and easily #triggered: stormcloak
If you like to play 4dChess and do not easily fall to elven tricks: legion

I'm not categorically opposed to Nord independence, and the Thalmor / Aldmeri can suck my cock, but I'll never support a rebellion lead by a fucking Commie like Ulfric Stormcloak. He's like every great dictator in history, dressing up his desire for wealth and influence with flowery promises of independence and fortune for the common man. Ulfric wants to be king, I'll bet he doesn't give a shit about Talos.

>>386746387

I'm playing the game for the first time as an Imperial Legate type as well, and I'm getting the same feeling. Glad it's not just me.

>>386747991
>Commie
The dude wants to be a monarch lmao

>>386748190

Although I was loosely using the term "Commie" as shorthand for, "Smooth-talking military leader who tricks the common man into fighting to to put him in power with false promises of taking down some demonized scapegoat enemy," what makes Communist leaders much different from monarchs? They rule for life, exert absolute power, and often pass their titles and responsibilities to family members.

If Ulfric wins - and by some miracle the Thalmor don't immediately invade and rape every single person in Skyrim - then he'll do exactly what Communist degenerates always do. He'll reward his longtime friends and advisors with huge swaths of land and massive riches, pass his position on to his son or nephew or something, and absolutely nothing will change in the daily life of the common men of Skyrim, who fought a bloody war to make him King.

People SERIOUSLY FUCKING BELIEVE supporting the rebels is fine. Dumb motherfuckers.

>>386746638
>An independent skyrim would be weak to massive threats like the thalmor
This, I was a huge storm cloak but I realized that skyrim wouldnt be strong enough to take on the thalmor, which would probably attack skyrim after the civil war knowing skyrim is at it weakest. But damn imperials are gay.

Your efforts are futile. The Thalmor will win in the end.

>>386749513
Yeah, rebelling against something will never lead to anything good. Just look at what America became.

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>>386745328

>>386744729
The imperials in Skyrim aren't the imperials in Oblivion, they take the name but none of the impact. I side with the Stormcloaks simply because they don't put in retarded jarls (Maven) or accept invasion and then delude themselves by repeating this "We're waiting for our time" bullshit

>>386749971
shut the fuck up liberal

>>386750021
>uniting skyrim against a larger menace is thalmor posting

fuck off and take your white gold cumquat with you

>>386749752
I was too because I really liked the Stormcloak culture and because I think roman shit looks retarded, and I thought they were just thalmor puppets, but if anything, Ulfric was. Not a willing or even knowing one, but certainly a puppet. I think the worst option for skyrim is letting the war go on.

The suggestions in this thread of a third party in the civil war are just as bad if not worse because they'd be weakening both sides entirely. I doubt you'd find many willing neutral people, let alone people willing to fight in the first place.

>>386749137
com·mu·nism
ˈkämyəˌnizəm/Submit
noun
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

But let's not have a debate on this, I knew what you meant

>>386749971
A terrorist state?

>>386750021
How are the Thalmor like the Jews? If anything they're the Nazis of Tamriel

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>>386750197
>Stormcloaks
>Not retarded

>>386746038
what empire are you talking about? the empire without emperor? or the empire where every general is a thalmor dicksucker? the empire was dead after oblivion face it.

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>>386750527
ikr?

>>386751125
Acts committed by the U.S government were and still are pretty bad. I could care less about the people here, they can do whatever they want.

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Why does every Stormcloak victory rely on "Muh stronk OC Dragonborn coming in and saving everyone and KILLING THOSE MEAN ELVES WHO BULLY ME :((("

Every time I see some faggot on /v/ who talks about the Dragonborn killing elves and saving Skyrim I die a little more inside

>>386751469
Because thats the only way skyrim would stand a chance fighting the Aldmeri Dominion in the war after the stormcoak rebellion.

>>386752321
I think his point was that the canon Dragonborn didn't pick sides in the conflict.

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>>386752321
So the Stormcloaks winning is basically a pipe-dream

>>386752637
Yes.

>>386746387
The hell are you on about? As a Legate you can actually enlist the Imperial Legion and wipe out the Brotherhood. You can also go city to city, working for the Jarls and strengthening post Civil War Skyrim so it can begin resupplying the Empire and troops. You're only limited by your own imagination.

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Any one else ever role-play as a douce bag thalmor?

>>386744729
Finish the Stormcloaks quest line and listen to the dialogue. Stormcloaks are nothing but fools, chances of overthrowing the elves are slim with the empire, what hope do you have without having an empire?

>>386746387
If you want to RP differently you should make a different character with a different personality. After the civil war ends your character realistically would get married and settle down. The game has great replay value if you use your imagination when starting over each time.

I finished the civil war questline siding with the Stormcloaks for the first time recently.

For a proud warrior race like 90% of their victories rely on underhanded tactics and or abusing how OP the Dragonborn is. Also that ending was rough. Tullius deserved better, he wanted to fight the Elves from the inside. Siding with the Empire next time for sure.

>>386750197
The Stormcloaks only have two major Holds, Windhelm and Riften. And the Jarl of Riften outright says she doesn't trust Ulfric and thinks his rebellion is just a veiled grab for power, which it is. Then of the Stormcloaks minor Holds, Jarl Skald of the Pale is the oldest and senile of the Jarls and literally all of his advisors tell him he should be siding with the Imperials. And the final minor Hold is Korir's, Winterhold, the smallest and weakest of the Holds. And what does Korir talk about? He sends you on quests to try and impress the other Jarls so they don't think he's as weak as he is.

Those are your Stormcloak Jarls.

>>386753428
>role-play
>in skyrim
unless you're role playing a stealth archer who's main goal is to have an ever shifting moral compass to the point of being nonsensical, then yeah man sure wario fart inhale deeply

>>386744729
>Play a high elf
>Join with the Stormcloaks

Fuck whoever tries to execute me.

>>386744729

The Empire pays its agents better, and Imperial trade and transportation means more exotic drugs and nonhuman hookers to blow my gold on.

>>386744729
Only literal cuckolds support the Imperials

>>386754086
>be dark elf
>kill everyone in the gray quarter

>>386744729
As much as I hate faggot Imperials, I hate Thalmor MUCH MORE. UNITED WE STAND...... for now

>>386754446
Except Stormcloaks are the cucks. You're prepping the Thalmor like a good little sissy by doing everything their puppet says.

>>386754446
People that are able to see that the thalmor will fuck skyrim if the stormcloaks win the civil war support the Imperials. the only way to save skyrim is to worship talos in secret not that hard.

>>386754052
U mad dat a high elf is yo dragon man nord boi?

How would an Independent Skyrim stop themselves from getting fucked by the Aldmeri Dominion after coming out from a Civil War?

Daily reminder that the Thalmor only started enforcing the Talos ban when Ulfric started spurging out

>>386754996
Hope the dragonborn knows how to use console commands

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>keep being neutral until the capture a dragon mission but can't do it until the imperials and stormcloaks agree on not taking whiterun as soon as they have the chance
>go to the greybeards to the peace talks
>Ulfric asks for Markath while Tullius asks for Rifter
>okay seems pretty fair to me
>Markath gets handed to Thonar, a member of the corrupt and full of cunts silverblood family
>while Riften gets handed to fucking Maven leader of the thieves guild
Fucking hell everything is fucked up no matter what you try to do.

>>386755074
Can I have source to help in future arguments.

>>386755108
In fairness, Maven practically ruled Riften either way. The Jarl was the only one in the whole city who didn't know she was in deep with the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild.

Markarth though? That's unfortunate.

>>386755108
Times lime these dragonborn needs to whip out his dragon dick and kill

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>>386747991
He actually doesn't give a shit about talos, the empire didn't enforce the talos ban at first and he made talos worship into an issue just to force the empire to crack down on the matter, just to legitimmize his rebellion.

He didn't give a shit about "muh nord tradition" either, the way of the voice specifically states that the thu'um is not to be used as a weapon so his challenge of Torygg (who, I might note, actually shared his opinion on the Talos ban) was a deep heresy to the nordic culture he so claims to defend.

If you want a more in-depth explanation, or if you don't believe me, it's in pic related

>>386755108
>>386755231
What did the silverblood family do?

>>386755201
Dialogue from Alvor
"We didn't pay much attention to it when I was a boy - everyone still had their little shrine to Talos. But then Ulfric and his "Sons of Skyrim" started agitating about it, and sure enough the Emperor had to crack down. Dragging people off in the middle of the night... one of the main causes of this war, if you ask me."

Recently did good skyrim playthrough (you know stormcloacks, destroying db, no stealing etc). This game is really underrated

>>386755442
Corrupt as shit, they strongarm out anyone else in the area and steal their property. They bought out the city guards and imprison anyone for life who speak against them. They also use the Forsworn to carry out assassinations by blackmailing them with their captured King.

The Silverbloods are essentially the Blackbriars except they have their own Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood.

>>386755415

>Not to be used as a weapon

Aren't there a lot of nordic stories about great warriors using their voice alone to slay their enemies? It's still bullshit to use it to win what is supposed to be an honorable duel, though.

>>386755739
Thanks.

>>386755454
>good
>stormcloaks

>>386755415

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No

>>386755442
They control the Cidhna mine prison (in which you either work or die of starvation) and also have all the guards of the city on their pockets.
When you try to find out what's goin on they charge false crimes agaisnt you and throw you in the mine prison for life.
They also harass those who won't sell their lands to them.

>>386755454
>good playthrough
>sided with the badguys
nah man

GOOD PLAYTHROUGH
Civil War: Imperials
Dark Brotherood: Destroy
Thieves Guild: Ignore
Dawnguard vs Volkihar: Dawnguard
Blades vs Paarthurnax: Blades

EVIL PLAYTHROUGH
Civil War: Stormcloaks
Dark Brotherood: Join
Thieves Guild: Join
Dawnguard vs Volkihar: Volkihar
Blades vs Paarthurnax: Paarthurnax

>>386755840
If you're talking about the first tongues, I think that was before the way of the voice was fully codified, although I'm not too clear on the beginnings of all that.

Then again, it's not like Paarthurnax spoke too particularly kindly of how they subdued and banished Alduin, so who's to say the Greybeards and the Way of the voice's doctrine don't reprimand the first tongues for what they did?

>>386755090
epic

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>>386756009
>Blades vs Paarthurnax: Blades

>>386755932
How does it feels to be NO'ed by the numidium?

>>386744729
It was always
Legion = Soviet Union
Thalmor = Nazi's
Skyrim = Finland
Finland remained more or less independant and shrecked the shit out of the people that tried to roll them.

>>386755840
Originally, Kyne turned Paarthurnax against Alduin and had him teach humanity the Voice to fight back against the dragons. This is pre-First Era. Eventually Alduin is banished and the Nords keep using the Voice, even though it was only intended for use against the Dragons. Calamity befalls the Nords and Jurgen Windcaller, the strongest in the Voice develops "The Way of the Voice" so that they can keep the skill alive and trained for when the Last Dragonborn comes, but otherwise, it is no longer allowed to be used as a weapon by non-Dragonborn.

This all happened thousands of years ago, early in the First Era. Hell, it predates the founding of the Empire, even. The Dwemer were still around. That's how old the Way of the Voice is.

When Ulfric learned the Voice, he did so from the Greybeards and under the tutelage of the Way. Him using it as a weapon, let alone to assassinate a boy-king was sacrilege that spat on thousands of years of Nord tradition and the Gods themselves.

>>386756009
>Dark Brotherhood: Destroy

I dunno man, the DB often gets contracted by people who have pretty relatable reasons for wanting to kill someone, that was the whole point of the recruitment mission (killing Grelod). Granted, they kind of shoved that in your face so you probably knew that.

So the DB probably kills as much people who "deserve it" as much as don't. but of course, if it's a good playthough you're probably thinking "Killing is unnacceptable" if you take issue to the DB killing people who "deserve it", in which case why is it acceptable to kill them?

Basically I say the most "good" way to play the DB is to not get involved.

BONUS:
>Blades vs Paarthurnax: Paarthurnax
>in evil

The fuck dude, care to explain? Paarthurnax educated himself about the violent and malevolent nature of his kind and himself, and overcame it, and then tried to teach that pacifism to mankind. The Blades just want to kill him because they can't let go of a grudge in the face of the change he's made. What the hell gives man?

>>386756183
>evil dragon that admits he could easily replace Alduin and it's a constant losing struggle to not do so
>didn't turn good because he wanted to, but because he was forced to
>excusing the genocide he committed and the countless Nord souls that will never see Sovrngarde because he fed them to his brother

It's okay to like him, but don't be that faggot from Avatar and fuck over all of humanity because you have a crush.

>>386756574
>Dark Brotherhood
If you've sided with the Imperials, then it's actually an Imperial operation to wipe them out. It just makes sense. Not to mention that their ultimate prerogative is to murder the hero-Emperor.

>Paarthurnax
The dragon didn't invent that pacifism, Jurgen did. Paarthurnax just hid in High Hrothgar behind the Greybeards for millennia. And his "kindness" was forced on him by the Gods. If you confront him over it, he admits he's going against his nature and he's constantly tempted to return to what he was. For an immortal creature, that means eventually he's going to slip. Even if you ignore the countless atrocities he committed as Alduin's right hand before the Gods literally forced him to stop, you're ignoring the fact that on a long enough timeline, this thing is going to go back to its old ways.
>It is always wise to mistrust a dovah. I have overcome my nature only through meditation and long study of the Way of the Voice. No day goes by where I am not tempted to return to my inborn nature.

>>386756479
Legion = USA
Stormcloaks = SJWs
Thalmor = Jews

The Thalmor try to cause a rift in the Legion and appeal to the stupidest people, the Stormcloaks, that they should turn on everyone else because somehow they're being oppressed. The Thalmor then quietly grab up power while everyone fights everyone else.

>>386757169
>Dark Brotherhood
well, never thought about it that way...say, can you kill a DB member at any point in the quest and jump ship to the "Destroy" quest? Now I kind of want to play an imperial loyalist that turns on them when he's contracted to defy his oath and political loyalty

>Paarthurnax
Okay so maybe I'm just in denial here - I'll give you that you've proven that Paarthurnax isn't quite such a simple question - but the statement that he'll eventually revert is somewhat predicated on the assumption that his battle against that temptation is losing, which I don't recall being stated anywhere

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>>386754468
>play Dark Elf
>'Do you hate Dark Elves, too?'
>'Yes'

>>386758102
Nah, if you don't kill Astrid in that house then the Dark Brotherhood NPCs become essential and you're locked into the quest with them.

And again, Paarthurnax directly says:
>No day goes by where I am not tempted to return to my inborn nature.
And
>It is always wise to mistrust a dovah.

>>386758431
He also says:
>The Blades are wise not to trust me. Onikaan ni ov. I would not trust another dovah.
>We were made to dominate. The will to power is in our blood.

>>386758431
>>386758576
I guess then, it just comes down to how and how strongly Kyne enforced or coerced him to change, and whether she's still doing it or is willing to do so again should he turn

>>386755415

Ayo lemme get some sources on

> Ulfric tortured women and children
> Torygg was a teenager

If Alduin is defeated, Paarthurnax isn't a threat because any dragons that die can't resurrect anymore.

>>386756678
>didn't turn good because he wanted to, but because he was forced to

When is this ever implied?

>>386760595
>> Ulfric tortured women and children
"Native women were tortured to give up the names of Forsworn fighters who had fled the city or were in the hills of the Reach. Anyone who lived in the city, Forsworn and Nord alike, were executed if they had not fought with Ulfric and his men when they breached the gates. "You are with us, or you are against Skyrim" was the message on Ulfric's lips as he ordered the deaths of shopkeepers, farmers, the elderly, and any child old enough to lift a sword that had failed in the call to fight with him." ~The Bear of Markarth

>> Torygg was a teenager
Torygg being a boy is mentioned by a bunch of NPCs.

Proventus: "He'll do no such thing! A dagger in the back is all you could expect!"
Irileth: "He was rather straightforward with Torygg."
Proventus: "Torygg? He simply walked up to the boy and murdered him!"
Irileth: "That boy was High King of Skyrim."
Balgruuf: "I'm not the High King, but neither am I a boy. If Ulfric wants to challenge my rule in the Old Way, let him. Though, I suspect he'll prefer to send his "Stormcloaks" to do it for him."

>>386761117

I see

Long live the Empire

Death to Ulfric Turncloak

>>386761064
It's not implied, it's outright stated. The 7000 Steps, Emblem IV says Kyne called on Paarthurnax to defect. Numerous other texts, like The Dragon War also state that the Gods forced him to defect (though that book says Akatosh instead of Kyne). Etc etc.

The thalmor, fuck humies.

>>386761472
>Kyne called on Paarthurnax, who pitied Man; Together they taught Men to use the Voice; Then Dragon War raged, Dragon against Tongue

Nothing about that says it's forced, only that Paarhurnax had sympathy for humanity which would be why he answered the Goddesses asking him to help.

>>386754052
>I'm a boring min-maxing completionist, so everyone else must be too
Consider finding a new hobby, I don't think you're cut out for videogames

>>386756009
How can you even side with Paarthurnax. There is no option for it other than just not killing him when asked to.

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The Redguards held off the Thalmor fine by themselves. Whats to stop the Nords?

>>386762465
Killing the blades, so they will not send people to try to kill paarthurnax.

>>386755108
That's politics for you

>>386762620
When I tried to kill them they were unkillable. Fucking lazy ass developers.

>>386762351
Well, here are the facts.

1. Paarthurnax was Alduin's second in command. His atrocities are supposed to be without peer during the war.

2. Gods intervened on humanity's behalf, calling on Paarthurnax.

3. Paarthurnax, millennia after admits he still struggles with his inherent nature not to genocide humanity and conquer the world and that everyone is right not to trust him.

Now, you can suppose that between 1 and 2 he suddenly had an epiphany that the lore literally never mentions and decides in the middle of the war that he's fighting to side with humanity and this is just coincidentally right before the Gods were going to make him anyway...

Or you can do the very simple math.

>>386762781
1. That's why his turning on Alduin was all the more impressive, he had the most to lose but he still sided with a mortal race.
2. Gods asked Paarthurnax for aid because he alone of all the dragons pitied man
3. Paarthurnax is no real threat to genocide humanity and conquer the world because Alduin is defeated, so dragons will not resurrect when killed.

The Blades grudge against Paarhurnax is very petty as they weigh the thousands he killed when forced into Alduin's service without considering the billions he's saved since giving humanity the sole means of stopping the dragon's rule.

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>>386744729
Please begin the friendly dumping

>>386763407
Jesus christ, how?

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>>386763407

>>386763347
Literally none of that is supported by anything other than your headcanon.

>>386744729
There is literally no reason to support the Stormcloaks unless you're a Nord. And even if you're a Nord supporting them is still a questionable idea.

>Empire is obviously just playing along with the Thalmor for now until they've recovered and can strike back, but Stormcloaks are like a retarded child that starts whining and ironically gives the Thalmor exactly what they want
>The Talos ban wasn't even enforced until they started bitching and grabbed the Thalmor's attention
>Ulfric has a questionable claim to the throne at best, cheating like a shitter by using Thu'um, and bastardizing the teachings of the Greybeards even though he goes on and on about how important Skyrim's traditions are
>Stormcloaks are a bunch of rebels in rags who are ill equipped to take on the Thalmor, the Jarls who support the Stormcloaks are also completely and utterly incompetent. Jarl of Riften is clueless about all of the corruption that goes on in the city and is just a puppet for Maven, Jarl of Winterhold is seen as weak and useless by the other Jarls + his own city was recovering when refugees from Morrowind poured in but now they've been expelled, Jarl of The Pale is a senile old coot who isn't taken seriously by any of his advisors

The only reason why Stormcloaks are even a valid choice to begin with is because the Empire tried to execute you in the beginning over a misunderstanding. That's it.

>>386745391
Alchemy was fun

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is there a way to stop this game from crashing every time you alt tab

>>386764528
google oblivion alt tab crash fix you dill

>>386744729
So you're asking me to pick between a
>jewish-controlled cabal
and
>a patriotic resistance group seeking independence (1776 anyone?)
Yeah really difficult question

>>386764240
>The only reason why Stormcloaks are even a valid choice to begin with is because the Empire tried to execute you in the beginning over a misunderstanding. That's it.

And then people who only played Skyrim will call you a retard because of that

>>386764703
I mean a jewish cabal controlled cuckntry

>>386746038
>There are people who didn't understand the presence of Thalmor at the beginning of Skyrim was to save their puppet's ass

This is very interesting. Is there anywhere I can read about this in more detail?

>>386764240
It wasn't a misunderstanding, when Tullius captured Ulfric the Thalmor requested custody of him under the guise of the talos ban, with the intentioned of secretly letting him go to re-ignite the war and weaken the empire further. Tullius's answer was to kill ulfric there instead of transporting him to solitude and giving the thalmore time to enforce their request.

Problem is, the empire at this point is not openly hostile to the thalmor's interests, so he needed a cover story. his cover story was to have ALL the captures executed then and there, possibly using the bloodthirsty bitch captain as an explanation.

Which brings up the idea that her bloodthirst and eagerness to have all the prisoners executed quickly may have been an act, but that's another story and quite irrelevant

hero of kvatch was here
dragonbron a shit poopoo

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>>386763462
years of collecting

>>386764918
Politics are more complicated than you think they are. Read >>386755415

SKYRIM IS FOR ARABS! ALLAHU AKBAR!

>>386750738
>Reading comprehension

>>386764952
It's not much, but I addressed it in>>386755415 and >>386765089

>>386754052
>tfw you always end up playing a huge slut that can't stop getting tied up in shit making most of the game revolve around finding a blacksmith
Is there even a reason to play it any other way?

>>386765089
>Tullius's answer was to kill ulfric there

You'd think he'd execute Ulfric first then and solve all his problems instead of letting one Stormcloak grunt ruin everything.

>>386765182
Skyrim is for the nords you cuck

>>386753428
this is my go to in Skyrim. They start out with Fury. Fun to make the humans kill each other. You can find Thalmor clothes by the Talo shrine right outside the starting cave too.

>>386765312
yeah, he kinda fucked up on that. maybe he thought killing ulfric first would be too obvious, I don't know.

>>386765330
The empire never said it didn't.

none
shag wenches, obtain septims
to hell with you squabbling idiots
hail Sanguine

>>386765552
What

>>386765563
As fair an answer as any I suppose

>>386761117
How will stormcucks ever recover?

>>386764952
In the Thalmor Embassy, there's a book on Ulfric.

>>386765940
by not giving a fuck
a boy king isn't going to mount a good offensive against an overwhelming force
rebellions are to be struck down if you want to maintain any semblance of a nation state, see the US civil war, see ireland, see FARC, see Tamil Tigers, and the responses they all received.

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so what do you guys think are going to be the canon choices to be told on TESVI's books?

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>>386761117
Saying Torygg is a teenager is exaggerating. You can find him in Sovngarde and he's hardly a "boy"

>>386766357
probably a combination of both outcomes, as bethesda us prone to do

>>386766357
pyrrhic victory for the empire
Thalmors don't fuck over the region for whatever reason, maybe internal power struggles or problems back home/somewhere else

>>386766357
yeesh that's hard. I think it's more likely than anything that they'll just asspull something else, and that the last dragonborn did the peace council and then never took a side after that.

As for the result? Since TES was originally inteded to be about the fall of man to mer, I'm gonna say that the canon is that the thalmor successfully drag it on until they're ready to initiate the second great war.

>>386766357
Probably the stormcloaks winning because it causes more problems thus more lore thus more games thus more dlc thus more money.

>>386766468
Nords grow beards at like 6 years old. Torygg was likely in his early 20s which is extremely young for a high king and why everyone called him a boy. Every other jarl at that point was older than him. Elisif herself barely sounds like she's legal.

>>386766357
It all depends on whether or not the Thalmor are interesting enough to hold up most of a game by themselves. If they are, then things continue to fall apart, the Emperor is dead, Skyrim declares independence, and the Elven Nazis are the world-ending threat of the week. If they're not, then things actually get better, the Empire has them mostly in hand, and they serve as a subplot at most and someone else is the main threat.

>>386766735
Exactly. The mere fact he was called a boy probably denotes a certain degree of disrespect.

>>386766468
>the game didn't make a special model for a throwaway character
>therefore all the lore in the game is wrong :DDD

kys

>>386763976
Not that guy but how are you so fucking dense that you miss the irony of your own comment?

>The gods intervened
Well as you said here are the facts: If you read the legend it was only Kyne that intervened and even then Paarthurnax says himself that it was Alduin's claim of godhood that made him turn against him.

>Paarthurnax was Alduin's second in command and his attrocities were without peer

True, he commited attrocities but would you deny the orders of Akatosh's firstborn in an age where he is at his height of his power and has scores of dragon followers?

>Paarthurnax still admits after millennia that he still struggles with his nature.

And yet there he is on top of the throat of the world constantly meditating and using the way of the voice to tame his draconic instincts for literally thousands of years.

>BUT HE COULD GO BAD, HE SAID IT HIMSELF

There was a power vacuum the first and second Alduin is defeated and tell me just for the last time where the fuck he is and what he is doing rather than maybe being second to Alduin in power and taking up Alduin's mantle?

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>>386766735
>Elisif herself barely sounds like she's legal.

>>386766794
>all the lore in the game
ONE character calls him a boy in the entire game, that doesn't mean he's a teenager.

>>386766468
This makes me realize that there are no teenager characters in any of these games
I hope in the next game they at least make children have more than two stupid faces

>>386766964
no, it means he's a boy

>>386766468
This was such bullshit because if Ulfric is killed he also goes to Sovngarde. How can they both go to Nord heaven when they take opposite viewpoints?

>>386767048
what did he mean by this

>>386766964
Pretty sure they tell you his age at one point, or a rough estimate.

>>386767074
Nords are fucking retarded.
They don't care about what they fight for, they just care about fighting with bravery until the end for it.

>>386767048

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmVzk5PHlP4

Daniel Plainview called Eli a boy. That doesn't mean he was one.

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>>386767074
what DID he mean by this?

>>386767180
Loved this film

>>386767074
Sovngarde is heaven for Nords.

>>386766779
The thalmor and their goals are actually the connecting threat along all of the games. They seek to sever the towers that hold tamriel and mundus together so that they can return to aetherius as their creation myth states (recall they the elves beleive they were once from aetherius, free of suffering, and the creation of mundus and the universe bound them to the physical world and it's suffering)

This is why >>386755415 mentions the sacking of the white-gold tower as a huge lore moment, as the white-gold tower was one such tower (the other known ones being the throat of the world, which is presumably intact, the red mountain that was severed at it's eruption, and green-sap whose state I don't know

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Fuck, now I want to play again

Who should I marry this time, anons?

>>386767074
>Implying Ulfric deserves to go to Sovngarde.

>>386744810
Yes Skyrim belongs to the Nords but the Nords belong to the Empire

>>386767180
Is he shouting him to death?

>>386767347
and the empire belongs to the thalmor :^)

>>386767279
Torygg legally declared the official religion of his people as false and Ulfric started a civil war that killed thousands of his people trying to restore that official religion. Why would both of these people get into heaven?

>>386767310
Shahvee

>>386767289
And the Adamant Tower, the oldest.

>>386767530
o shit how the hell could I forget THE tower

As a note of personal conjecture, I'm pretty sure that the fate of yokuda was governed by the accidental severing of the tower/s in yokuda and that if aldmeris ever actually did exist, its fate was that the thalmor's predecessors severed any tower/s it had

>>386767496
>the official religion
No, he signed the treaty than banned the worship of Talos, one god of that religion. Not the entire religion.
>Why would both of these people get into heaven?
Maybe because Sovngarde isn't ran by Talos,

>>386767496
>Torygg legally declared the official religion of his people as false
No he didn't.

>>386766552
>Since TES was originally inteded to be about the fall of man to mer
I never heard of this, can you elaborate, maybe with some sources.

I've never played Skyrim but with my experience in Morrowind and Oblivion only a retard wouldn't choose to side with the Imperials.

>>386767860
Sovngarde isn't like heaven in the first place, it's not for those who do good in life, it's for those who were fierce warriors in life and died "valiantly" in battle. chances are it's filled with lots of bloodthirsty pieces of shit, outnumbered only by those who were pressed into military service and didn't cower on the battlefield anyway

>>386768071
It's a bit different in Skyrim, the empire are a bunch of bitches now, that get bullied by an independent altmer empire.

>siding against Balgruuf
>siding against Tullius
>siding against Elisif

Empire all the way, everytime.

>>386768343
>bullied
Dont listen to the stormcloak.

>>386762583
Yeah but Redguards have fast twitch muscle fiber. and curved swords

>>386744729
Is the modding for enhanced edition not shit yet?

The choice is basically this

Stormcloaks
>Let's fight an unwinnable battle but never compromise our values

Empire
>Let's accept a humiliating peace and compromise our values but in return buy time and the possibility to eventually actually defeat the Dominion

Pick your poison.

It's 2017, have mods made it a 10/10 yet?

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>>386768561
C U R V E D S W O R D S

in what order should i do the questlines for the story to appear consistent?

>>386769115
>caring about the story

just go install some loverslab mods and enjoy the wank before you uninstall

>>386768749
Except that ulfric compromised his "values" in order to legitimize this rebellion that nobody wanted beforehand

>>386768830
sadly that's impossible; the engine just imposes too many limitations

>>386768749
>never compromise our values
>the faction that kills women, elderly and the children
>violated millennia of Nord law and tradition
>turned its back on an Empire that Nords built and traditionally was ruled by Nords
wew

>>386770027
What elderly and children?

>>386770103
see>>386761117

>>386768830
There's a mod that turns The Lusty Argonian Maid into a One-Handed skillbook.

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>>386770246
>>386761117
Really made me think

>>386770602
Everyone in Markarth supports that version of events though. And if you can find a single instance of anyone anywhere saying it's wrong or even exaggerated in-game, we can discount it. Hell, not even that, if you can just find a SECOND version of events?

But you can't. Because there's not one. So take your falseflagging babynuts on out of here Stormcuck. You can't ruse the Empire.

>>386770918
I actually sided with the Empire though

But you can't deny that this book is written in a biased tone

>>386771016
You can't deny that every account in the game supports it and it's the only written version of what happened. The truth was bias.

>>386771254
Who the fuck even says anything about killing children by Ulfric in the game?

>>386771609
See: >>386761117

>>386771718
Was already rebutted by posts under that

>>386771909
Except it wasn't. The best it had was showing an in-game model when the game has no models for teenagers. But the game is explicit that Torygg was the youngest of the Jarls and was the only one not even around for the White Gold Concordat. You categorically CAN NOT find anything suggesting he was older.

>>386771718
that doesn't disprove what he said, it's exactly what he was pointing out, no NPC in the game tells about the executions mentioned on that book.

>>386772095
Guess that's why they gave him a beard lmao

Young adults are often called "boy" by older men

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>>386745391
gtfo of this thread then faggot. we already know all videogames that arent weeaboo or nostalgiabait are shit to you stupid assholes. everyone in this thread enjoyed the game but you. go cry in a corner you purist faggot

are there any characters more fucking based than tulius and balgruff?
>tulius is sent to literal where by the emperor to fight some cucks who are mad that 'muh religion' and killed the high king
>captures cuck leader at the border
>thalmor get sweaty because this is probably game over for them; the death of cuck leader would mean no civil war/no divided troops and the empire can finally rape the thalmor out of existence
>thalmor request that they take cuck leader because muh religion
>tulius tells them to fuck off and decides he wants to execute cuck leader on the spot at the nearest town

>balgruff is smack in the middle of this civil war
>dragons attack somewhere under his jurisdiction
>stormcucks live nearby said somewhere
>he decides to send troops to rescue anyone in the town/reinforce in case of a second attack
>m-muh civil war! stormcucks will think this is aggression!
>tells his advisor to fuck off because he's not letting his people die because of cucks

>>386744729
On the left
>Imperial ROMA, SPQR as FUG, the only shot for man against the thalmor
On the right
>SALIL AS SAWARIM

>>386772385
It is mentioned he wasn't around for the White Gold Concordat and that it was his father who signed it in. That makes him no older than 26 and probably a sight younger.

My best guess is that he and Elisif are 14-18.

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>>386772784
>The outer walls are strong. We can hold them there.
They have catapults.
>Dammit. The walls are falling apart as it is!

Oh Balgruff.

>>386747991
>>386746387
since you ALREADY payed for the game, i will help you out. there is a mod for either version of the game that makes every fort AND town in skyrim a siege mission and greatly lengthens the civil war. if you play a certain way it can last forever. i have been playing as a thalmpr agent fighting alongside the empire and it has added about 4 to 5 hours of siege battles to the game.
>I'm playing the game for the first time as an Imperial Legate type as well, and I'm getting the same feeling. Glad it's not just me.
with 3d rpgs like this, you have to work your imagination into it sometimes. if your not to old too play video games your not too pretend some of the miscellanious missions and faction missions in the game are assignments from the empire/stormcloaks. just make the decisions in a way that help either faction or the way a soldier of either side would. you people expect more content than was possible out of this several years old game.
>inb4 all games are shit with not enough content muh nostalgiabait

>>386772784
Except he didn't execute Ulfric on the spot.
He was executing all Ulfrics men in front of him and was going to turn him over like a good little puppy,

An old toothless dog may snarl at its master but it knows better than to bite him.
Tullius is no fool and knows who holds his leash.

>>386773857
what, he was literally in line to the chopping block after you and his lieutenants

"4th era was a mistake"
-Martin Septim

>>386773968
If he was going to off Ulfric he would have done him first. As a true representative of the Empire Tul didn't have the balls.

Everyone and everything associated with the empire is as weak as water.

>>386773968
Yeah about that, why the hell are we on the chopping block as the second one?
Surely they had more important ones to chop.

>>386774362
>>386774450
probably the "empire and their damn lists"
bureaucracy. i dont think anyone anticipated a fuckhueg dragon to appear, lol.

>>386774450
Because Bethesda wanted that cool shot.

>>386774450
plot convenience, doesn't disprove the rest of the story behind Tullius

>>386767074
its like valhalla, die an honorable warriors death and you're in

>>386770918
MUH SIX GORILLION FORSWORN

>>386775061
How many major losses do you think are on Tully's record?
The only worse military commanders are the AD.
With a few more conquests like Hammerfell and Cyrodil the Altmer problem will solve itself.

INB4 C0DA bullshit.
If that is the case Tiber achieved CHIM so they are fucked there as well.
Altmer are boobs.

>>386776585
Is General Tullius supposed to be like Julius Caesar or is he just some random General the emperor sent in?

>>386777369
I don't think the Empire has any Caesers to send.
If the empires military leadership put their heads together it would sound just like a bowling alley.
Tully is just the one they sent.

PS
Captcha was a street sign for Meade street.

>>386777369
I think he is supposed to be Drusus who also ventured against the "northmen" Germans. If he is supposed to be Caesar he should've been at least some kind of Gouvernor of Skyrim.