not a SINGLE Artifact thread

there's nothing more to say
shitty card game
anyone who expected valve to announce anything of value at a dota tournament is retarded
it's going to sell really well and make them a shit load through the market

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>>386698427
yes, let's fling more shit at it

keep it going boys. fuck dota in its entirety

Freemium trash hearthstone clone that's going to make millions regardless because of fucking koreans

>>386698623
>valve
>koreans

one of these don't belong

Response seems to be overwhelmingly negative

I'd say I really hope this flops but it's a card game that probably takes like a week to program. Won't really matter

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I was incredibly not hype for it but then I conjured up an image of how it would work in my head and now I'm slightly excited

>check reddit front page
>"Look at crowd reaction to the new valve game" is #1 on r/videos
>heart skips beat, click to see what new game i missed
>Dota Card Game

It's simultaneously completely shocking and completely obvious

>>386698608
I wonder if the amount of dislikes will change anything about the existence of this game.

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idk man looks pretty good 2 me

>>386698852
>reddit
let me stop you right there, buddy

>>386698852
completely shocking and but not entirely obvious. there were so many things to expect...

it felt like a slap to the face

They will probably use steam market for card economy so the game is already shit

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>>386698427
>have literally unlimited money
>can develop literally anything you want due to unprecedentedly libertine company culture
>make a fucking copy of hearthstone

best part is they contradicted themselves,
they made it seems like it wasnt even supposed to be Dota related

>>386699069
>all card games are hearthstone clones
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't, but still

>>386699225
>wasn't
meant was

I'm honestly excited about it.
BUT how the fuck do they announce it and show absolutely NOTHING?

No gameplay, no funny CG video, NADA.

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>>386698608
>people will still play it regardless

>>386699225
from what ive heard it sounds more like the card game runescape game but with more depth to it.

but since hearthstone is popular thats the one we compare it to.

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>a video game is an abstracted simulation of high fantasy heroes battling a war of epic proportions
>make a card game based off that game
>its not even an original concept, its just a further abastracted version of a game thats already an abstract version of a cosmic conflict
>you have to buy cards to play it, probably sinking hundreds to play it at a competitive level
>meanwhile original game is literally 100% free and becoming competitive is completely on the player with no gates ingame
what the FUCK were they thinking

>>386699310
cuz don't you its hard to develop images with random stat numbers moving across a static image board?

>>386699225
fine, 'internet card game as is the trend as of the late following the runaway financial success of blizzard's hearthstone'

that's beside the point

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>>386699718
whatever you think of card games, a hearthstone clone is like that but to the power of a thousand cancers
still, you're right
>tfw will never be billionaire with game dev studio to tell them to make whatever I want

>>386699718
Hearthstone isnt even a good video game card game, it hardly does anything that you couldnt do on a table top. Its just all RNG shit

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>>386699393
People didn't accepted paid mods even after Valve preached it really hard

>>386699069
>make a fucking copy of hearthstone
What's so bad about this? Considering that Valve does the f2p model more or less right, it should be the only competition Hearthstone has which is never bad.

>inb4 anon lists 3 dead games and a physical card game and thinks he's making a point

>>386700401
>What's so bad about this?
hearthstone fucking sucks ass

>>386699885

All cards games like Hearthstone, i.e. MTG, Shadowverse, etc, are all RNG shit. Let's not pretend otherwise.

>>386700951
Yeah, but Gwent is fucking amazing.

>>386701064
gwent aint a copy of hearthstone though

>>386698427
lol fuck all the haters, hope this destroys Hearthstone. Hearthstone looks goofy as fuck visually, hopefully this will just be the better Hearthstone. Everyones just bandwagoning the fact they havent done HL3, Portal 3, L4D3 etc. just suck it up kids.

>>386701064
but it's not NEAR as popular as Dota, this game will rival Hearthstone no doubt

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>>386701064
I mean I guess.

>motherfucking card games on lanes
What the hell were they thinking?

>>386701064
It's dead Igor. Let it be.

>>386698952
Why? Reddit is a better site than 4chan at this point.

I wish I was on /v/ when it got announced. The reaction must have been spectacular. I hope there were greentexts of Gabe coming on stage at E3 and announcing it instead of HL3.

>>386698427
Is it based on getting resources every turn to play cards like Hearthstone? If so then I'm out. Play Points are the worst mechanic in a card game that turns what could be an interesting deck building experience into a game that's 50% Skill (Deck composition and play patterns) and 50% luck (did you draw the shit you needed). THe only way to get over it is to either have a shitload of generalist cards, or to have tutors out the ass, both of which are terrible solutions to a problem that shouldn't exist.

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>>386698427

Anybody remember when battleborn tried to take on Overwatch and lost?

Now here's the new hit CCG FPS Called 1v1 announced the same day.

>>386698608
So why do a lot of people hate it?
Is it because it's not Half-Life 3?
Is it because the new game is another card game?

I'm personally interested in how Valve will pull off this game, especially since they're definitely very late in the game to release their own card game.

>>386701946
People are mad at what it isn't, after a while people will calm down.

>>386701946

Their poor choice of audience to show it to is the issue. Nobody who plays Dota gives a fuck about games that don't have APM Requirements.

its an online card game were with a built in market to sell and buy singles from other players, it is by default on a higher level than its competition of online tcg's the number of people throwing a temper tantrum that valve is making a game in a genre they don't like is pathetic

>>386698623
No, it's going to make millions because Valve drones have no standards. That's why they still play TF2.

>>386698769
>week to program
Surely this is bait.

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>Dota is dying
>Artifact is DOA

>Hearthstone is still going strong and HOTS is getting better

BLIZZARD ALWAYS WINS BABY

>>386699069
Why should Valve put effort into making anything when retards eat their shit like it's candy?

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>>386698427
>>386698608
Did you rike it?

>>386699069
But all of Valve's game are just copies and mods of other games or game that began development under different dev teams.

>>386701064
It isn't anymore.

>>386701946
Theyre making a fucking card game while their main ones have lots of problems

Still remember how hard drones sucked on Valves and that fat fucks dick. Oh how the times have changed.

>>386702384
>lots of problems
I don't play any of the current valve games. What are the issues you've found?

>>386698427
We had 3 500-post threads last night, you're just slow

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But will Ilexa be a card?

https://www.f-list.net/c/ilexa

>>386702178
>tf2
>bad
heres your ((you))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4jPtrDCLo

Bet Valve isnt going to talk about this much until next year

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>>386702546
quit bringing your degeneracy to all the wholesome artifact threads

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>>386701946
>Is it because it's not Half-Life 3?
That's part of the issue, yeah. The issue of them delaying and delaying HL3 without openly admiting the game is dead, so they can focus their forces in making hats for their f2p games pisses people off.
They shoot themselves in the foot by not wrapping Half Life 2 ep2 with a proper ending for Half Life instead of makign a cliffhanger to milk more episodes, only to ditch the idea when they realized you can get even more money with hats.

The pot's been boiling for some time now, and announcement this is triggering a reaction that sooner or later was going to happen.

And this is only one of the problems, mind you.

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>children's card game
>no motorcycles

Valve fucked up

>>386698427
https://youtu.be/OR4jPtrDCLo

>ITT Brainlets angry because Valve is targeting a more cerebral/strategic audience for once.

>>386702738
they don't need to announce that a game they never said they were making is dead
at no point in history have they made the claim that half life 3 was in production. People like you assume they are making it then every time they release something else you throw a hissy fit. This is the same shit that happened when portal 2, both left for dead games, and csgo were announced

>>386698427
>dota
>cardgame

That's why nobody is talking about it.

>>386702726
>using my webm

>>386699412
>what the FUCK were they thinking
"lets make mad bank on dotafags"

>>386698427
Wonder how many Perus/Russians are going to populate this game

Anyone else loved how it backfired? they thought they would have the world at their feet with just a logo.

>>386701878
CCG FPS? tf u talkin about you cunt

>>386703086
>>386698427
Maybe because all they've shown is the logo animating itself into existance. There's nothing to talk about yet.

>>386701878
Randy is at it again.

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>>386703238

>>386700336
Never overestimate assfaggots

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>>386703406
>cardgame fps

what the fuck

My one hope for this game is that it will actually be a fair free-to-play model.

Dota 2 is one of the most fair F2P games that exists. Every single gameplay related thing is available for free, all the monetization is in the form of cosmetics. You don't get a single tangible gameplay advantage by paying, only things that make the game personalized and pretty.

Obviously this is harder to do with a card game. But what I see very likely happening is direct Steam Marketplace integration, where users can buy, sell, and trade their individual cards with other users and completely bypass the RNG game. And on top of this you'll see the usual Valve thing of adding pretty lights and particles and card backs, so on and so forth.

That's the only reason I'm still optimistic about it.

>>386700336
Valve just allowed them. They didn't preach them. And Bethesda has shown that paid mods will be a thing and people will accept them.

You overestimate the selfcontrol of the average vidya consumer whore.

>>386701946
Card games fucking suck they're for dumb ass geeks

>>386701703
Then leave and fuck off forever.

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If ever in your life unironically said "based gaben" you are partially responsible for this lazy modern day valve.

>>386702074
There's a big difference between not giving a fuck about a spin-off game and actively hating and showing it by disliking the reveal video on youtube.

Anyway, wasn't Valve working on 3 new VR games for a while now? Is this one of them or are they still hiding on what those 3 new games are?

>>386703590
It will definitely be accessible. It's what they need to do in order to appeal to the population of DOTA 2.
Perus and Cykas will absolutely not stand for a freemium game

>Teaser shows the name of the game and nothing else.

Yeah OP, so much to talk about. It'll probably be shit, like all hearthstone clones, including hearthstone.

>>386703761
>le praise gaben! XD

Imagine being that faggot who fell for that meme

Imagine that Valve made Hearthstone back in 2014.

All the cards would be free.
Every hero would have a million alternative portraits.
Every card would have 2 million different entry animations that make no sense.
Every card would have 10 million alternative art which make absolutely no sense and makes it impossible to recognize what the opponent just played without having to reread the card text.
And the first expansion would release Soon™

>>386703590
>users can buy, sell, and trade their individual cards with other users
You're probably right about this. That would make the new/returning player experience much better than something like hearthstone.

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>>386703000
First, witnessed
Second, the mere concept of ending your game with a cliffhanger implies a new game will come
Third, God GabeN EXPLICITLY stated when half life 2 came out that is was part of a trilogy, several times. If you imply that is ok if 3 was never in development to begin with, it doesn't, if anything only makes things worse, since they never even started.
Fourth, shove a cactus in your gaping ass you fucking faggot

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>Artifact
>Artifact Episode 1
>Artifact Episode 2
>?

I think Valve started developing this around the time when Hearthstone became real popular but due to Valve's incredibly slow development process, we are only getting it now.

[H] Unusual Sunbeams Vintage Genuine Inscribed Timbersaw HoloFoil card series 1 (inscribed: Enemies Timberchained)

[W] offers

>>386698427
the only thing that sucks is that we have to wait until 2018 to get it

atleast show some gameplay ree

>>386698890
I doubt it. Remember the L4D2 boycott?

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>>386704087
>Third, God GabeN EXPLICITLY stated when half life 2 came out that is was part of a trilogy, several times.
>trilogy
>trilogy = 3 games
>1. Half Life 2
>2. Half Life 2 ep1
>3. Half Life 2 ep2
you GOT your TRILOGY nerd!

>>386704289
I mean, at least you'll be able to TRADE your fucking cards, so it's automatically better than Jews of Stone

FUCK valve

>>386704087
im glad you posted a picture to describe your own post, there are thousands of games that end of cliffhangers, they don't all automatically get a sequel because you like them. grow up champ

>>386703418

Assfaggots dont want the game

>Go play artifact

Is going to be the new insult to anyone you don't like in dota.

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Who /VP/ here?

>>386704792
valve has constantly posted "3" and sets of 3 things and shit on their sites and presentations, that is a legal contract to make half life 3. do you even understand european law? no because you are a fat trumpturd. now go home kid.

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>>386704548
"Welcome to Half-Life 2, Episode 2. We are at the mid point in our trilogy that will conclude in Episode 3."- Gabe Newell during commentary mode

>>386704792
>dev promises game
>he doesn't make game even if he fully can
>this is not a problem

>>386698427
IMO instead of a teaser trailer they should just show a gameplay video or a game demo either in the TI7 venue or on Steam so they could build up hype for the game.

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>>386701946
>Is it because it's not Half-Life 3?
YES I WANT HL3 REEEEEEEEEEE

>>386698427
Is this, dare I say it, dead on arrival?

>>386705271
>that is a legal contract
>so stupid to think that non European company's are under European law because you can look at there websites from Europe
im not even an American but you are one of the least intelligent people to have ever post on this awful board

>>386705283
"No you've all been confused, the Half Life 2 trilogy was completed with ep2. We left it with a solid end but a bit of ambiguity because we wanted the player to be able to imagine their own conclusion." - Gabe Newell, CEO of Valve in official interview.

>>386704548
They were supposed to make 3 episode you retard

>>386705560
>im not American really!!! ;_; :( :(
lol sure thing kid thats why you're so bootieboned over calling out amerilards non-existent consumer rights!

>>non European company's are under European law because you can look at there websites from Europe
>implying
kek tell that to google and it's BILLIONS IN EU FINES and valve is next! google, more like gurgle... gurgling EU DICK OF JUSTICE

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Can we all agree that this is the cutest Dota personality? I'd fuck her.

>>386705875
This is just sad.

>>386706001
Don't know who that is but she looks like a dude

>>386706078
RUDE
that's Lady Action Slacks

>>386706189
Still look like a dude

>>386705875
still not american
>EU DICK OF JUSTICE
oh dear, you just keep lowering the bar for dumbest post

>>386706078
>>386706270
it is a dude

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It should have been a Dota fighting game.

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>>386702978
>Card game full of RNG
>Cerebral audience

HAHAHAHA

>>386707242
What's the matter? Not enough twitch reflect apm """"skill""""?

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Valve total equity (2012): 2.5 billion
EA total equity (2016): 3.3 billion

Atleast EA can keep pummelling out shit and something might be at least fun, I'd rather have constant meh games then nothing for years and then shitting out a bullshit card game because they decided to not sit on their arses counting skin shekels.

>>386702182
no it's surely just exxageration.
But come on, a new entire first person shooter is going to take much more time and effort to program then a shitty Yu gi oh tournament with flashy effects

>>386707134
>RNG and input delay in a fighting game

>>386702469
TF2 has been hyping a major update that's set to fix the most broken class in the game for a year now.
CSGO is growing stale fast and is majorly imbalanced due to them making changes that should have gone to a PTR server, which CSGO doesn't have and sorely needs.
DotA itself is starved for content.
The Half-Life franchise still doesn't have a conclusion and has been left on one of the worst cliffhangers in gaming history for a decade.

>>386705182
I'm anything but China at this point

>>386708415
Designing a game isn't just pure programming. Designing a good card game takes more time than creating a good FPS, despite the technical part taking less time.

>>386708730
>DotA itself is starved for content.
If anything, Dota is getting the wrong type of content. Valve has somehow managed to alienate a large portion of the silent part of the playerbase while still not delivering on promises made in 2010 that would have a massive impact on the playability of the game.

Also HL is completely fucked, all their writers left.

>>386709032
If they're silent, then how do you know what they want?

>>386701946
Why not "all of the above"?

>>386708436
>>RNG and input delay in a fighting game
Might be just what the fighter genre needs to liven things up and get modern gamers into it. Try a bit of innovation rather then the same tired old memes.

>>386698608

This isn't even about dota you mongoloid, it's a fuck you to more crap card games in an already saturated market of garbage card games.

Nobody wants these yet they are cash cows and valve will shill to get some skin in the game. 0 integrity.

One of the most coveted and arguably best game devs on the planet decide it's ok to do this because profits instead of devoting time and brainpower to making something revolutionary.

That's why it's fucking getting downvoted and people hate it.

Please think before your fingers begin to move.

>>386709032
>while still not delivering on promises made in 2010
??

>>386709164

Also, fuck my post format, I keep thinking this site has margins but this site likes to emulate notepad with 0 margins.

>I'm mad about everything

>>386698427

My main question is what approach will they take to the game. Will it be a more streamlined approach like Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm, or will it be archaic and complicated like Dota 2 and MTG.

On the surface it looks like a pretty creatively bankrupt effort. The card game market is pretty saturated right now and its very doubtful that Valve suddenly discovered a new way to play cards that will render other games obsolete.

It feels less like a creative venture (which all of their other games were) and more of a financial one.

>>386708436
XD

>>386698427
>The company that redefined the first person shooter
>Invented a whole new way of cinematic cutscenes
>Mastered the physics engine
>Made a 3d animation software that's as easy to use and as easy to learn as they come.
>Returns with a card game after 5 years of complete silence in the field of game development.
>Also, Valve lost all of there writers too.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

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gabe needs to stop pretending he cares about the video game industry and just open up a bank or casino

>>386709164
How is the market saturated when there is only Hearthstone?

>>386699069
>copy of hearthstone
retard

>>386698427
Fuck dota, fuck valve and fuck gaben

>>386709484

Because there's not ONLY hearthstone.
There's hearthstone, gwent, some kind of elder scrolls card game, shadowverse. Basically you name a big game franchise and theres a dev somewhere losing sleep over how to make a card game out of it. It's fucking pitiful and not where video games should be headed.

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>>386703406
>gearbox
When will they learn?

>>386709102
Because they express themselves via the playercount, which has been dropping hard since the start of this year. It's worth noting again that Dota is the only game whose playercount was totally unaffected by Overwatch's free weekend last year.

>>386709291
Among other things, better ways to deal with a leaver (having a player of similar skill level or a bot replace them), better bots in general, better tutorials and practice options.

>>386709686
>There is Hearthstone and there is dead game 1, dead game 2 and dead game 3
Wow, it really is a saturated market. I bet platformer are a saturated market because there are a bunch of dead indie platformer. No one will buy the new Mario game.

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>>386703406
>cardgame fps by gearbox

>>386698427
looks like a lambda

>>386709828

That's the thing though, with platforming games and ACTUAL games the devs have a chance to create a new experience. With card games you're already painted into a corner because we all KNOW this game isn't going to be revolutionary.

You know why most card games are dead games? Because they are all the same, why play a knockoff if the real thing is completely free? That's the issue and valves abomination isn't going to bring this genre back from the dead.

That's why everybody is calling this an abortion and why it's not ok to continue this trend in a place where creative integrity is limited because companies are just in it for the money. What more can be done with cards that hasn't already been done? 3 simultaneous boards with 5 heroes and creep waves, give me a break, valve didn't even want to try, they are importing the idea (that's not even theirs) into card format and it is going to be DoA.

Keep in mind of valves game track record and tell me you aren't entirely disappointed with this decision. Try it, your fingers won't let you type it.

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>>386708898
>anything but China

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>>386703406
>combines the action of fast-paced 1v1 first person combat with the metagame strategy of a collectible card game
So basically they're gonna do some kind of Hardcore Overwatch where picks and counters dictate the issue of a match, but even worse?
Like, if you use a card deck that get obliterated by another deck according to the current meta, there is literally no way you can make up to it through the FPS part?

>>386710209

Brings back horrible memories of Kingdom hearts chain of memories.

Going to be baaaad.

>>386710145
Oh, so you KNOW something about the game that we don't have any information about and that's why you can make the judgment.

k

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>>386703000
>at no point in history have they made the claim that half life 3 was in production
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt0w9YP_wZ0

Please jump off a bridge now, thanks.

>>386702384
>>386708730
What's the most broken class in TF2?

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>>386710209
They're just talking out of their ass
The CCG part will just be a glorified load-out system with collectable weapons and utility items
In the end everybody will use the most optimal shit anyway

>>386708415
Maybe if the only interactions between cards are "do damage" and "take damage", sure. But that would be fucking retarded. Half the reason MTG has never had a good online game is because coding for the insane amount of unique interactions that can occur is a fucking nightmare.

Even Hearthstone, as simple as it is, has hundreds of unique interactions that have to be properly programmed.

>>386703000
>at no point in history have they made the claim that half life 3 was in production
It's a real shame you ruined those trips with talking out of your ass you fucking retard

>>386710604
Demoman.

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Dota can't hold a candle to the Runescape card game. That was actually innovative and you had to lay out the board beforehand.

>>386710209
It sounds like a worse Paragon. Slow and shitty and cards are just a stand in for items

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at this point i expect little from those fucks at valve

im just waiting for that pyro update that seems like it was promised centuries ago

what a joke of a company

>>386698427
Is valve the new DC? Are they going to follow trends with 5 years of delay? Whats next? Left4Dead 3 is a battle royale game in 2022?

>>386710971
maybe

>>386710450

No, I don't know more than anybody, but I can follow the money, and following the money says that valve will make the easiest to make version of their card game using ideas that already exist in dota, because it's safe.

It will maybe be popular for a month or two and will be a waste or have "card back crates" Because we want those.

Come on dude, you don't see a trend with these wastes of time?

>>386710717
you know mtgo works fine right? they already have all the interactions working

>>386710741
Still? Hasn't that been the case since beta?

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>crowd going AWOO with Lycan

>>386710741
>>386711567

It's medic and has been since day 1

>>386703406
>Project 1v1 is: FPS; hobby-grade coop campaign; genre-blended, multi-mode competitive e-sports; meta-growth, choice + epic Project 1v1 Heroes!

This is like calling the guy you get to write your arguments for you after he's been on vacation for 10 years only for him to give you a food analogy to use.

>>386711734
I'm getting mixed messages here. Is it demo or medic? How is medic broken?

VP ARE DOING IT

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can ubisoft sue in any way?

>>386709416
>The company that redefined the first person shooter
>Invented a whole new way of cinematic cutscenes
>Mastered the physics engine
>Made a 3d animation software that's as easy to use and as easy to learn as they come.
>Returns with a card game to redefine yet another genre

>>386712502I didn't know ubisoft invented triangles

VP WHY

RIP Valve 2017

>>386710774
>valve can't compete with fucking Javex

lol

>>386709982
Nigga I don't know what lambda's you've been seeing lately...

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Last year at Steam Dev Days they said they would make big product announcements related to VR content, and that they think nobody will be disappointed. At the same time, they claim to have three (3) VR games in development. I want to root for Valve, but at the same time I know that's just going to make me angry again.

>>386712091
> The thing about the medic.
If you are in a competitive match, any format, if don't have a medic you'll certainly lose. This makes the others supports useless.

>Demoman
Pubstomping. Hes has high explosive splash damage, enormous boosts if it is a direct hit; Stick jump as mobility option; Any building fears him.

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>reading replies about TF2
>remembering TF2 is forgotten

GOD DAMNIT VP

>>386713271
I just lost my steam account just now because someone wanted my tf2 shit.

Please kill me

>>386713362
It's okay senpai, just spend $1000 and you'll have items of no equal value in CS:GO.

It'll fill the void in your heart for TF2 design and gameplay.

>valve takes dota from blizzard
>blizzard "copies" dota with hots
>valve "copies" hearthstone with artifact

I wonder what the next move in this 1D chess will be

I don't think I've ever witnessed a game panned just right after the reveal...

That has got to hurt developers.

>>386713032
it'll probably just be VR ports of their older games

everyone had the same reaction when hearthstone was revealed. not saying artifact will be as popular as HS, but people will play it and they will make a lot of money from it.

>>386713620
> Blizzard takes Warhammer when GW cucks them
> Blizzard simultaneously takes Dune 2
> Blizzard for the first time makes a playground it's modders
> One Chinese dude makes the most popular map in this playground
> XingLing tries to contact blizz to share the idea, blizz says to him to fuck off together with his partners and "irrelevant map"
> Icypepe watches all of his friends leaving the project to develop LOL and HON
> Valve bets on his idea because of LOL's success
Yea, I see that you are wrong here.

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>>386713271
>boot up tf2 for first time in a while
>cp_egpyt_final starts loading
>get on
>BLU starts capping one of the points
>see teammates running the opposite direction of point
>everyone else is a sniper on the last point or spy doing fuck all

>>386709005
>Designing a good card game takes more time than creating a good FPS
Depends on your definition of good. Your foundation of subjectivity means there is no objective basis of FPS vs Card Games.

>>386703406
it's worded quite poorly but I believe they're just comparing it to the supposed strategic depth of a card game, not saying it's actually a card game
although it's best to suspect anything from gearbox at this point, no matter how retarded

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>>386713362
take it as a lesson to not tie your gaming existence into a platform that enjoys fucking its consumers in the ass.

Anyone who buys a Steam game is part of the problem.

Use Discord if you want friends to play games with. Play f2p multiplayer shit because that's really all there exists anyways just don't buy garbage pixels for money you manchild.

Everything else just pirate.

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can't be disappointed when you expect nothing in the first place

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>>386712209
>>386712804
>>386713297

Will you be excited to play cards against your dota waifu in VR?

>>386715035
pretty much

at worst it's just a heartstone ripoff that'll die in a month or so, but have like a week of playability

at best it might actually be good

>>386699393
Correction anon. Around 20k people will protest it and actually not play it,if that, and over 20 million will play it actively for 10 years. It will be an extremely vocal minority.

>>386715295
looking forward to that qop art

not a SINGLE person asked for a dota card game

>>386717383
wrong

>>386717536
go to bed or eat something gabe

It's so disheartening no one even wants to make fun of it. Everyone's too sad.

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>>386703000
>yfw you're too young to have been able to play HL1, HL2 EP1/2 when they came out

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>Could've made Steam Smash Brothers
>Instead make a lazy Hearthstone knockoff

They could of at least made it a VALVE card game, so they could incorporate all their IP's.

At least then we could of gotten a crowbar 1/1 card, or Gordon as a minion card.

Instead it's just Dota characters no one gives a shit about.

>>386713362
>I just lost my steam account just now because someone wanted my tf2 shit.
What? How?

>>386718185
speak for yourself half-lifecuck

>>386710209
>>386703238
>>386703514
>>386714582
It's basically FPS with gacha. I'm in the beta and already got a "how to play"

>>386718378
>No counter strike cards
>No "Terrorists/Counter Terrorist Wins" cards
>No Portal "Your minion returns to your hand" cards
>No Barnie Cards
>No LFD cards

Not only is the game going to be shit, it's also not taking advantage of the valve IP's.

It's doubly shit.

>>386698427
The reaction people had when it was announced live you know you fucked up when your own fans give a big sigh of disappointment, what the fuck happened to valve they used to be great.

>>386698890
>>386704514
Well the Infinite warfare boycott worked though it was most likely franchise fatigue

>>386698427
>Teaser on youtube have a lot of dislike, maybe the worst reception of any valve Game, including ricochet
>Crowd live reaction was literally a "awww", even dota fans are disappointed
>A lot of fans lost the little faith they have
>Valve had stop making false accounts on FB and Twitter, evento they know what's happening
The problem isnt the game itself, valve hasnt release a new game in 6 years, had a problem with communication, lack of support and now they announce this
We can boicot this

>>386698427
>another fucking card game
Feels like the early 2000s again

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>tfw you lived long enough for normie kusoge to devolve from dota to dotastone
the older i get, the more i realize it is, in fact, the children who are wrong.

>>386698608
Even dota fans didn't like it.

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>>386719134

>no XCOM style CS spinoff

feels bad

>>386698427
Let me guess, it another hearthstone clone.

I don't understand. Dota 2 has a legitimate reason to exist since the series started before LoL, but how did Valve expect everyone to not realize this was a shameless Hearthstone clone?

I hope someone fucks the servers up until they are forced to shut it down.

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>>386703406
>still no borderlands 1 port to current gen consoles
>still no annoucement of borderlands 3
>heres the chance to participate in our super super early test of our next game

>>386719327
>any card game is a hs clone
Nice try blizzard

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>>386713271
>Valve will never release the pyro update

>>386719398

blizzard invented cards

>>386719398
Maybe, but It feels like it

SO TIRED OF FUCKING CARD GAMES

I swear to god every couple of months a new one pops out of the woodwork for no reason. At least Gwent started as a minigame in another game. Elder Scrolls card game, Dota card game, Runescape card game, Shadowverse, Plants vs Zombies card game, etc.

Just fucking stop it already. The time investment to learn a new card game, collect the necessary cards, and build a proper deck is just too annoying.

>>386719418
I've decided just to never give them anymore shekel

>Valve does F2P right
yes, good goys, now get to level 2000 on your goypendium

>>386720030
idiot

wait what happened to Gwent?

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>>386720451

it's still in open beta

>>386698427

There's a vocal minority but it will still make millions of dollars. There will probably be a mobile port on IOS and Android.

Not much more to say. Not sure why people keep wanting HL3. All their writers are gone.

>>386720030
but that is F2P done right

I get all the gameplay stuff for free and whales who love cosmetics fund the development of the game on my behalf

>>386719383
That's a really bizarre thing to want.

>There are three game boards that represent the lanes
>You control 5 heroes, just like Dota
>You can equip item cards on to the Heroes that you buy with gold
>There are creeps that spawn every turn
>You can play creature cards
>Some cards are cast on the lane and have persistent effects on that lane
>Each Hero has abilities like their Dota counterparts, e.g., you can cast track on a Hero as Bounty Hunter and get extra Gold

>>386709146
Consider killing yourself, even if you were being sarcastic.

>>386698427
>not a SINGLE Artifact thread
Valve paid shills would be asleep right now.

>>386721203
why would VALVE need paid shills

>>386721203
>valve paying for advertising
lmao

>>386721219
>>386721248
>implying valve doesn't shill

>>386721413
>nothing is real, nobody really likes everything, someone is always pulling the strings
how do you drink liquids without fear of being poisoned

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>>386701878
gearbox is actually copying DE

>>386701312
Hearthstone has great ui. By showing as little as possible it tells as much as possible. If you don't understand, compare it to the clusterfuck that is waifuverse design.

I just want my full art shiny QoP card

>>386720904
Valve did F2P right in Dota 2, because they would have had absolutely no chance of convincing the existing DotA playerbase of 7-11 millions to transition over to Dota 2 if they had locked gameplay behind a paywall. It was also probably an Icefrog stipulation that the gameplay be completely free. Also, don't forget that in TF2, you still need to buy the weapons, which provide gameplay differences, if you want to use them.

There is no reason to believe their F2P model for Artifact will be consumer-friendly at all. It's easy to guess that it will be an economics experiment that uses their marketplace in a more prevalent aspect of the game (i.e. card trading)

>>386721884
who the fuck even plays dota 2? I have like 50 steam friends and none of them play the game.

>>386698427
I never seen a successful E-card game.

Who keeps pushing this concept

WE WANT THE HEARTHSTONE AUDIENCE

>>386721937
~12 million people

>>386721413

This is the one company that does not have to. They have a monopoly on digital distribution in PC gaming and that is not going away anytime soon - their new games are just side projects like this, and will print money without any shilling because they simply do not need it.

>>386721937
Yeah I'm in the same boat. Everyone I know who used to play Dota 2 dropped it, including myself.

>>386721937
Dota 2 is mildly popular in the West, but no so much elsewhere. It doesn't even crack the top 10 in the world.

>>386701946

I'm not expecting Half Life 3 anymore. Although I was kinda expecting to hear something about Left for Dead 3. Guess I was wrong.

>>386722186
that's completely wrong though. most of its popularity is in russia and china. it's more unpopular in the west compared to CS and LOL

>>386722014
And how many of those are smurfs/bought accounts?

Riot claims that League has 100 million players, should we just take that number as face-value as well?

>>386722186
us east has like 90k players. most people are in china/sea/eu

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>>386722287
12 million players who've played one game this month. If we're going by the metric other companies use, it's well over 100,000,000, especially if you include China (which SteamSpy doesn't)

>>386722186
Dota is massively popular in:

>Russia
>Ukraine
>China
>Malaysia
>Philippines
>Singapore
>Peru

It's unpopular everywhere else.

>>386722229
Looks correct. Dota 2 is #5 in china, behind Crossfire.

LoL is #1, Dungeon Fighter Online is #2, and...
holy shit, a LoL clone mobile game is #3.

An LoL mobile clone is more played in China than Dota 2. What a weird country.

http://www.theworldofchinese.com/2017/06/top-7-video-games-in-china/

>>386699069
It sounds like more of a Clash Royale/Duelyst game, to be fair.

>>386722514
That is just followers though. I would still put Dota 2 at 5th or 6th. World of Tanks is up there for sure too

>>386722287
>should we just take that number as face-value as well?
no because valve actually shows their numbers? obviously they both have smurfs you nitwit

>>386722397
Dota 2 has a prescence in China but it's still dwarfed by LoL and other local games.

Tencent (Riot's parent company) has been actively trying to push Valve out of the Chinese market and Valve really isn't doing much to fight back.

>>386702074
>Nobody who plays Dota gives a fuck about games that don't have APM Requirements.
You'd think that, but you'd be wrong. At this point tons of people have hundreds, thousands of hours of dota games, but are no longer playing. People who play games which require quick thinking and reflexes eventually grow up and aren't as quick anymore, and they move to other slower competitive games like card games, including poker. I imagine there's no better time for Valve to release a card game seeing as how DotA has been a thing for more than a decade now.

>>386710774
The runescape ccg is kind of a weird one. Interesting concept, but interactivity is almost nonexistant. You have your game plan, your opponent has theirs and you both set up your board and hope your game plan somehow wins out. There are very few situations where you change your plays to counter your opponent. And you only get like 5 """"turns"""". They needed to flesh out the concept more. Nice menu interface though.

>https://www.cabletv.com/blog/popular-video-games-world-map/

>Dota 2 is the most popular video game in the following countries:
>Mongolia, Myanmar, Philippines

>LoL is the most popular game in the following countries:
>Bosnia and Herzegovina, Chile, Greece, Brazil, Lithuania, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Portugal, Serbia

>World of Tanks:
>Belarus, Czechia, Estonia, Hungary, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Russia, Ukraine

>Overwatch:
>Canada, Puerto Rico, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan

>Persona 5
>Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Indonesia, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, Venezuela

>Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
>United States, India, Iran, Spain


America has failed us.

>>386723191
I'm actually shocked that Dota is not #1 for Peru

>>386723191
We don't have proper channels for it like other countries do yet. I still remember when they aired a half hour bit on ESPN during TI4 and Twitter immediately blew up with "WHY ARE VIDEO GAMES ON ESPN" and "Lol whats with that guy's suit"

Ricochet 2 unironically would've been more interesting than this.

It's
>The same highly divisive IP that they've been working on almost exclusively for like 6 years
>A card game so most of the shit that's interesting about vidya probably won't be here because it's a card game

>>386723191
Call of Duty is THE dudebro game across all cultures in America. It's maximum normie. People who don't play games will buy COD because they actually know it exists.

>>386701946
S E V E N Y E A R S
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V
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Y
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For a fucking card game

>>386723636
A card game would be the next logical step for Valve. They're all about microtransactions these days, and online collectible card games has it built right in for actually making the game playable for yourself. You don't leave that kind of money just lying on the table.

>>386707242
>replying to obvious bait

>>386701946
how about an actual fucking game
like is that such an outlandish request that people are confused to why people are angry at a dormant studio coming back with some fucking slot machine grind shit that everybody and their mom has already fucking played

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GUYS

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>>386723816

>>386723759
a lot of people want straight up half-life 3 but i want any new video game from valve that looks actually is interesting

throw me a fucking TF2 visual novel or a real time strategy new IP i don't give a shit just give me a neat game

>>386723759
I think you're unlikely to get a new "actual game" from Valve that's not in VR

>>386702978
Kek, thinking you are superior because you play a pay2win game with massive rng.

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>>386719502
Theres even a Titanfall card game now for some reason

>>386724072
Half Life 3 will never happen. The target audience for that series is much older, and Valve has abandoned that audience (which is slightly annoying, because that audience helped get Valve to where they are).

The newer generations of gamers only really know the Half-Life series by jokes withing gaming groups. Only a small handful would've even bothered actually playing them. They're the new target audience for Valve.

From a business perspective, it makes perfect sense. Why worry about an old series that only older gamers would care about? From an older fan perspective, it completely sucks. Just got to accept that it's an abandoned series, though.

>>386723191
>Persona 5
>Peru

On what PS4? And with what money?

>>386724550
P5 is out for PS3, they all go over to Pablo's place to play it.

>>386724868
The entire village pitched in money, so they all bought it.

I'm unironically interested by this though. It would seem more like a board game than a card game.

I'm interested because I like watching dota be I'm interested in the meta but I suck at the game itself.

>>386698427
Was this a Prank?

>>386703751
>REEEEEE
gets the noggin' joggin'

>crowd literally groans as soon as "card game" appears on screen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4jPtrDCLo

Valve fucked up.

>>386725992
>Will still make millions
>They have no reason to turn back
>Everyone who groaned will play it "ironically"
Wow capitalism, huh? Ha, shucks. I mean what can ya say to that? It works, don't it?

>>386726201
>barely any legit buyers but russians will still use it to launder money so it will still make a billion dollars a second

>>386726361
Working as intended

>>386698427
I actually think if it will be done good in a way old-valve good, I will play regardless even if it's a Heartstone clone, it will we infinitely better than HS.

Is now the time to get into dota? Is the NA scene receptive to new players, or do MOBA players still hate themselves and everyone else too much?

>>386721013
>literally the same game but in 2D
great job

>>386726686

Try it out. You have nothing to lose. Except maybe your time.

>>386726686
>receptive to people that make them lose and waste 25+ minutes of their life
take a guess

>>386726686
just don't

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Reminder that ixmike is still our guy

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>>386729140
he has long been superseded

>>386712091
>>386710604
>>386711567
He's baiting you (although he's correct about Medic).
Pyro is the most literally broken (bugged) class in TF2, and he's the one who is getting the update.

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>>386726686
>wanting to play dota

>>386701946
>Card game
>on the personal computer

It's just a faggot thing.

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>>386729280

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>>386721884
>Also, don't forget that in TF2, you still need to buy the weapons, which provide gameplay differences, if you want to use them
Not true; even F2P players get weapon drops just by playing, as well as achievement items. Also, you can trial items for free, and you get a bunch of items every Christmas and Halloween.

You can get every single weapon unlock in TF2 without spending a cent if you play for a month or two, or you can get every single weapon unlock in TF2 instantly by spending 1 dollar to buy a key and trading it.

>>386701703
Stop right there Heretic and burn

>>386729593
hurdur you can get every card in hearthstone for free if you play enough

fuck off

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>>386698427
they've finally decided to get off their fat asses and the first game they release after many years is a fucking dota card game pfffhahahahahaha ;_;

>>386698623
>hearthstone clone
>we've reached a point were people think that heartstone invented trading card games

I don't know why but this upsets me a little bit.

>>386730437
wow created mmo

>>386726686
Don't. I've recently started playing it again and stopped right away. I had like ~100hours playtime prior to that and it was 90% just watching tournaments. I got matched with people who played 1k+ matches and just streamrolled me.

>>386729789
lazy bait, the two are not remotely comparable

>>386730536
my dick created you

>>386713032
oh wow 3 vr meme games can't wait

>>386698427
>that sign of disappointment
https://twitter.com/nickisnixed/status/895091539025698816

>>386698427
>Dora
>card game

We reached peak cancerous vidya design

>>386709553
You just wait and see nigga

>>386703406
Can't wait for this clusterfuck to tank. I will witness the death of gearbox. Feelsgood

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>>386702772

>>386718018
>Could've made fun non-f2p Card Hunter without any form of pay-to-progress-extra-whatsoever

>>386702178
You can't pull the drone card without mentioning blizzdrones first and foremost

>>386709351
>The card game market is pretty saturated right now
to be fair, all card games out there suck, you could easily make one that's much better than all the rest if you tried

>>386698427
>make a shitty card game
>about their shitty ass moba

God damnit what happened to Valve? They made Half Life, one of the best single player fps ever. Left 4 dead and Portal were amazing too. Nowadays they don't do jackshit anymore.

>>386699393
you have no idea whether or not people will like it, you're just saying "Wah, its a card game, its shit!" like a fucking retard

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Cant wait to try it out! I hope we can trade golden Pugnas on the market!