LISA Vs. Undertale

If we went purely by the main games, then Lisa: The Painful wins in just how absolutely perfect it is.

However, if we add Lisa: The First, Lisa: The Joyful and all the fan content to each, then Undertale wins easily.

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>>386691263
Lisa the first is kinda throwaway.
Lisa the Joyful was kinda shit.
Lisa the Pointless is tight as shit what you on about?

But Undertale has a tighter scale of polish.

But at the end of the day, they're both kinda -ok- indie rpg's.

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>>386690639
neither

before any retards post here, should I play these games?

>>386691585
OFF
Oneshot
Lisa
Undertale

Who wins?

>>386691602
ye

>>386691585
>>386691659
I really wanted to like OneShot. The art, music and atmosphere are great but the story and characters are lacking. There isn't much of a "game" to it either.

>>386691602
Undertale is good and polished.
LISA is also good if more raw and RPG makerish. Focus on the Painful as Joyful tends to ruin a few characters.

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>>386691602
Absolutely. Just ignore cancerous fanbase and you'll be fine.
>>386691820
You played original or remake? Because remake actually add some chars and lore development.

LISA by far.
I prefer Earthbound, Moon: RPG Remix Adventure and Nier over Undertale, you know, the games it shamelessly rips off.

>>386692082
I can avoid fanbases easily, but it's hard to avoid the 'it's shit because these fans are retarded' types you get all over /v/

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>>386692082
>tfw lisa's fandom is even worse than undertales

how the fuck do you even pull that off?

>>386692082
I played the new one. I thought many of the characters were very lackluster and one dimensional. I also heavily disliked the DLC since it undermines the premise of the game.

Both are fantastic and worth the time. However if I had to decide, undertale gave me more feels and had a comfort atmosphere (of course lisa didn't want to do exactly that) and Lisa was more fun to play, it's an actual game.
Undertale shallowly mocks the very nature of games while Lisa just pisses you in the mouth yet the taste is strangely addicting.
I heavily suggest to also check out lisa the pointless and lisa the hopeful as both are (free) fan games which definetly could be standalone games and are both of fuckin good quality

LISA does have that nice SMT-esque absolute concentration on status effects, which combined with the Mother 3 minigames actually amounts to a fairly fun game.

Undertale did nothing for me. I liked the music, but even then LISA's weird-ass OST was more to my tastes.

Anubis

>>386692641
>>/trash/

>>386693129
>>/suckmycock/

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LISA had a better story with a more meaningful point

>>386693849
Yeah, but on the other hand, Undertale didn't have a shitty expansion that really half-assedly offered a shitty unnecessary "conclusion"

>>386693996
From what I hear, the dude who made it was unhinged while working on it, and he's still out there from what I can get

>>386694518
You mean Austin "the cuck" Jorgensen?
Yeah he went full retard justice warrior after his dads death. There's no way we'll ever get something from him that's even remotely close to Lisa.

>LISA the painful
>black guy makes monkey sounds

>Austin on twitter
>white supremacy
>white privilige uh ma gahwd

We're fucked boys

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>>386690639

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>>386691498
>Lisa the Pointless
I think The Pointless is bizarrely well made for a fan game, but the difficulty is so grating I couldn't finish it.

It's like they copied the trollish nature of The Painful too well.

>>386691585
Oneshot's not as meaty or climactic as Undertale or Lisa, but it's probably my favorite in terms of the art style and atmosphere. It's a solid balance of charming and somber moments.

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>>386695225
I think its a better follow up to The Painful than The Joyful is because it does a 2 party member styled game better. You really need to play to Alex's and Joels skills in order to not be completely fucked over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j03wSiXXTsw

But fuck this fight.

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>>386695680
Yeah, and I liked Alex and Joel's chemistry more than Buddy constantly abusing Rando. But the limited saves and finite items just make me feel like every move I make is permanently wrecking my game.

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>>386691585
I would have liked for Oneshot to be longer with a bit more time to flesh out characters, but what is there is really damn charming.

>>386697435
I want to molest that catboi.

>>386691602
At the very least, play Lisa: The Painful

>>386691585
That game is fucking 20 minutes long and has like 3 puzzles, why's it got such a large following.

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>>386699037

cute cat boy

>>386695680
I really hope the Pointless dev gets the urge to finish his game, I really like the characters he's got set up, the writing and art are top notch, but yes the difficulty is through the roof.

>>386699154
Oh, so basically Klonoa. Gotcha. Have fun.

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>>386691585
>>386699154
I thought Niko was a girl

>>386700723
cute little boy

>>386699156
they are, (from what i heard atleast) its just about 2 or 3 people working on it tho and they said it takes a lot of time for them to get far.

>>386700723
I think they go out of their way not to specify Niko's gender.

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>>386697306
I still loved rando, He actually Felt like buddy was his little sister, and he Tried so goddamn hard to protect her, even while Killing all those people, he still did his best to try and Stop her

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>>386701614
I wish they could have been proper bros, even if things were destined to go to shite later.

LISA is funny at first glance and sad when you get into the lore
Undertale is funny at first glance and cringy when you get into the lore

>>386699186

Oneshot = Klonoa

>:)

Do you want me to edit that Klonoa general comic, or the one with /v/ tan meeting Klonoa again?

how gay is undertale?

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>not being baseball man beating the ever-loving shit out if casper with hoolahoops
top jej

>>386690639
Just finished playing The Painful yesterday, actually. It's really fun but I acknowledge that I see the two games really distinctly.

Whenever any of my uni buddies express interest in Undertale and haven't played it, it usually turns into a little get-together where we sit around and watch them play it for the first time while we all crack jokes and have a good time with the person who's playing it.

When it comes to LISA, I couldn't imagine that being the case. I would only want to play the game alone, with headphones, because it's a much more intimate experience. I think it's just the difference in the tones and humor between the two.

>>386702187
Undertale has a lot of concepts just taken from OFF
>Sans takes the roles of both The Judge and Zacharie
>Flowey/Asriel is The Batter, complete with horrendous form and desire to purify the world
>Undyne is a mildly less cruel Dedan in many ways
It's sad more people don't realize this
that vermin battle was hype

Speaking of LISA, since playing it I've had an itch that no other game has been able to scratch and was wondering if anyone could help? I want to find another game where you go around and find party members ala Pokemon, but the party members have to have their own quirks, interactions or dialogue like the ones on the Painful.

I've been suggested Citizens of Earth, and Breath of Fire 2--anymore?

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Anybody got any other RPG maker guides?

>>386703474
I mean, Chrono Cross has a comparable amount of companions, all that have different animations and special skills. Most of them have different accents or talk in different ways, their recruitment reveal most of their quirks (beyond some of the more involved characters) and some have side quests associated with them. However, beyond that, the party members aren't developed very well. It's cool how many there are and stuff, and mostly every character has a special attack they can perform when a certain other character is in the team, but that's about it.

You do run around the world recruiting them though.

>>386704002
Thanks so much, I know there won't be much in the vein of LISA but its something.

I liked both games. Undertale had a more coherent plot though.

>>386703906
1. Install a real engine

LISA the Painful felt more like a complete RPG experience and had a fair amount of side stuff to do, on top of having a longer campaign. Joyful was defiantly a step back (Partly because it did not have a lot of the same side stuff and party members painful had, and was short and felt rushed). I don't hate it like some people do though.

Undertale, on the other hand, felt a lot more amateurish and felt like it lacked a lot of polish until the later parts. I also am not a big fan of the combat system, and there was far less side content to do, and was more linear outside the genocide route.

I like LISA a lot more in general, although I think the music is equal in both games and I don't think Undertale is bad, just overhyped to hell and back.

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>>386704675
I mean, Chrono Cross and Lisa are extremely different in terms of tone and what the writer wanted you to get out of it .Chrono Cross is more of a straight fantasy adventure with some weird dimensional distortions. The one thing they have in common is the huge amount of party members and how they both sacrifice having a lot of character development for those characters in favor of giving you a shit load of them.

Here's a picture with all of the party members and a few important enemy characters.

Only good part of Lisa the Joyful was when it made me like Brad even more than I already did.
Best worst dad.

Lisa was a much better game, with a god-tier soundtrack. Undertale was an average game with some good ideas, but it got the furry vote so now it's insanely popufur

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>>386704002
>>386705492
>I mean

>>386706439
I mean, that's just, like, how I talk, you know?

>>386694731
Isn't his new game supposed to be about racist ninjas? I can't wait for how much tact he handles that subject with.

>>386690639
Undertale because combat is more engaging and there aren't a preponderance of high accuracy instakill permadeath attacks.

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I don't like turn based RPGs, so Undertale.
But everything that isn't gameplay is better in LISA.

>>386707032
Undertale is turnbased, you twat.

>>386707280
I'm fine with my turns being bullet hells

>>386706439
Like, I honestly don't see why saying "i mean" would bother someone literally at all man.

>>386707439
>Undertale
>Bullet hell
Fuck off

>>386702187
silly bear

>>386694731
>says he wishes white people didn't do shitty things in the past
>this means he hates white people
You're fucking retarded.

>>386707439
>bullet hells
You have never played a bullet hell

>>386710347
Dude exclusive cried only about white people when all groups of people have done shitty things. Basically saying only white people have done those things. He also said he wished he wasn't white due to them. He's either an idiot or a troll

>>386711673
He's white. Why should he give a shit about other races?

>>386711779
I don't know. But if you're going to make it out to be how white people are evil then you aught to also state that every other race has done just as much bad shit.

>>386711968
What kind of piece of shit person justifies being a piece of shit by pointing out other people are shitty too? Own up to your race instead of playing the "BUT HE DID IT TOO" card.

>>386713014
Except he wasn't being a piece of shit. He was mad that white people are evil pieces of shit and wished he wasn't white. Not being aware of how every race on this earth has done bad shit and it's in the past.

>>386714294
Are you pretending to be retarded? He said he wished his heritage didn't have such an awful past. He said he wish he could be proud to be white, but because he's not a self-centered autistic loser and has a sense of dignity and standards, he can't be proud to be genetically linked to rape, enslavement, and genocide. So what if other races have done it? Being a better person isn't about justifying shitty actions, about being bigger than that and saying you don't stand by it.

>>386714579
>He said he wish he could be proud to be white, but because he's not a self-centered autistic loser and has a sense of dignity and standards, he can't be proud to be genetically linked to rape, enslavement, and genocide.
But whites have done a shit ton of good too. You act as if just because whites have done bad shit means you can't be proud to be it.

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>>386703906

> The Witch's House

three years later still mad

Undertale is a 9, Lisa is a 8. They are both great

>>386703906
Ao Oni was so fucking stupid.

>>386714903
Mad about what?

>>386714760
You act like being objectively terrible is okay as long as you do a couple good things. He sees no reason to be proud of his race if his race has done too many terrible things to be proud of, and that's a very good way to think. No race has any reason to be proud of their color, and as soon as we all realize that we can really start moving forward.

>>386715928
Just going to say one last thing as any more and this will be /pol/, there's more to race than skin color.

>>386715757
Not him, but I'm assuming that he means the "Good" ending actually revealing that you were helping the evil witch get away with stealing a girl's body all along

>>386716326
And culture affects people just as much as if not more than biology. Stop being a selfish cunt and realize your surroundings and morals does more to you than DNA ever could.

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>>386690639
Though I enjoy both games, LISA is the one that I find to be more memorable.

Undertale wins in terms of combat but everything else, LISA has more charm in it for me. The story, the characters, everything LISA has to offer felt more stunning. Even the choices in LISA felt more heavy and impactful like the scene in which you have to choose which member you have to play the roulette game with and the choice between having 3 of your members die or for Buzzo cut off Buddy's nipple and what makes this part special is that one of these choices affects gameplay while the other one does not but picking Buddy's nipple makes you feel like a big shitstain in humanity than ever. The choices in LISA felt more painful and that what makes it more memorable.

Overall, LISA manages to entertain me more than Undertale in an agonizing way.

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>>386716557
Ahh Now I remember, I AM VERY ANGRY NOW FUCK I REMEMBER IT ALL

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Just ignore those who posts about Twitter. Their only goal is to derail the thread with political bullshit.

It didn't even last that long to be worthy of talking about. That's why they only mention the same ancient shit, there's nothing new. And even then, Austin has disappeared from Twitter for like two months.

>>386690639
why are these games even compared

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>>386690639
>Mfw Buddy could literally destroy the whole underworld in less than an hour.
>Mfw Sans is probably much, much weaker than Big Lincoln
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWHxy2nFW4k

>>386695680
>>386695225
The pointless is not hard, is just a fucking chore and repetitive combat.
The point is to use Joel's Taunt and then dodge while Alex does all the damage, some fights are just a DPS race like the leader of the infinity franchise.

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>>386691585
oneshot is a game that makes me sad thinking about it
knowing that ill never be able to experience it for the first time again

>>386691263
What fan content is there to Undertale that isn't tumblr tier fanfiction?

>>386720603
Should I get it?
My internet is awful and I'm sure my ISP will take like 3 days fixing it so it might be a good idea to get a few single player games, so is Oneshot good?

>>386720646
There are some fights made in game maker and unitale that are actually pretty good.

I really liked Red's fight for instance but she's obviously a OC DONUT STEEL SELF INSERT.

>>386691585
_ _____ __ _____ ____ ___

>>386719734
Retarded powerlevels aside, I do think Lisa had the better OST. Toby's music is really refined but it's also really cliché. A tropefest like UT itself. Lisa's music is just so raw and original. I can tell Toby's musical influences, but I have no idea where Austin's sound came from. It sounds like he invented it on the spot.

>>386721261
Hard to pinpoint STOLEN MUSIC

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RNXx26pRtcg
To
https://youtube.com/watch?v=L5HKVNo9bSs

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>>386714579
>genetically linked to rape, enslavement and genocide
Wow I didn't know physical actions were inherent genetic traits.
Please tell me more, mister.

>>386690639
cave story

Neither

Gingiva

>>386721406
Oh damn, he basically built a song off that sample. Really derivative. I still prefer Austin's track though. It's like the other guy didn't understand the good parts of his own song and just added more and more noise towards the end.

You don't happen to know what/whether this was based on (anything), do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkwXKL0F9Fg

>>386721406
Ahh man, what the fuck.

>>386721406
All of the music in Lisa is comprised of samples.

>>386721261
>>386721406
>>386721980
>>386722028
>>386722391
He actually credits sampled music, but specifically for Summer Love he insists that it was just a standard FL Studio's sample, and that other guy probably also used the same sample.
Pretty much all of his stuff is made from FL Studio's own samples. I don't really think that it's a bad thing though, at least he made it sound good.

>>386690639
They both struck a chord with people. Undertale is popular because it struck a chord sort of poking at the absurdity of violence, something that's so normalized that even the average person could take a step back and go "Wait a minute.". Obviously the message resonated hard as hell for a lot of people, and there's a reason tumblr and deviantart faggots gravitated towards it so hard.

LISA also struck a chord with people, but the chord that one struck was much, MUCH more nuanced and complex to the point that I'm not even going to bother trying to explain it succinctly, and in addition to that it actually had finely crafted gameplay.

LISA edges it out every time, though both obviously hit the mark for what they were going for pretty well. LISA just isn't nearly as accessible as Undertale.

>>386722850
>there's a reason tumblr and deviantart faggots gravitated towards it so hard.
Yet all the autism comes from powerlevel faggotry and AU OCs

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Which was your favorite party? Which had the best chemistry?
Brad and his gang?
Rando and Buddy?
Alex and Joel?
Beltboy, Lanks, and Cyclops?

Definitely the last one for me. Painful had me upset and angry, Pointless had me extremely engaged, but Hopeful left me a fucking mess by the end.

wsup 4chan v

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>>386723430
>not Buddy and her edge

>>386723430
I want buddy,
I'll be a proper big brother who teaches her how to become a woman.

Also, I finished Pointless, it was alright but the last section dragged on forever, is Hopeful better?

>>386723676
Hopeful's gameplay is not great. The fights tend to drag on, and it even lacks Pointless' puzzle-like combat.

However, it'll fuck you up. Like, if you thought you were hurting after Painful, try Hopeful.

>>386690639
What's LISA about?

>>386723835
Aww fuck my dude, You are piquing my interest but I'm so sick of Lisa right now.

Is the story really that good? Please tell me, nigga.

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>>386724018
If you're sick of Lisa, give it a rest, and sit on it for a few months.

The story might not 'really be that good,' but the characters are. I'd argue that its MC is significantly more memorable and better-written than Brad, Buddy, or Alex.

>>386723939
All the women in the world have disappeared except one. World is in chaos.

Try it out. It's a great RPG. Do not play Joyful. Only The Painful.

>>386724171
Oh really? Those are some pretty big statements, specially since the main character has a shit eating grin all game from the looks of it.
I'm getting it, but if I don't like it then I'll track your Ip through your ISP and lick your balls while you sleep.

>>386722627
>specifically for Summer Love he insists that it was just a standard FL Studio's sample, and that other guy probably also used the same sample
>that other guy probably also used the same sample
that's hilarious

>>386724247
Yeah, it's good to be doubtful. It'll be even better if your expectations aren't high.

Make sure to post your thoughts about it when you finish it in whatever LISA thread pops up. Not a lot of people have played Hopeful despite it being a finished and well-made fangame.

would it be fine to make music entire composed of samples from various songs and mutated into something coherent

What is the official legal stance on something like this?

>>386724337
Which one was the fan spin off that people got hyped about that never released because the dev turned retarded?

>>386724554
grey area, sometimes you're fucked, sometimes you're not

generally speaking the more you alter the sample and composition the safer you are

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>>386721149

How does they hold up against Lisa fangames like Pointless and Hopeful?

>Undertale vs LISA
>Lawfags vs Chaosfags

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>>386725393

There are tons of dead Lisa fangames that fit that description. Maybe you're thinking of Lisa the Hintful, that starred Terry.

>>386728194
He's probably talking about that one, where dev lusted after underage tranny.

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>>386690639
They're both shit meme games that I've never played and probably never will.

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>>386728518

Oh, that was Lisa the Spiteful. The wiki has a page with the status of the various fangames out there if anyone is curious about them or wants to try making their own.

http://lisa-rpg.wikia.com/wiki/Fangames/Mods/Fan_Works

>>386728717
>the adjective
What a cancer.

Is Joyful+ guy still alive? The one that wanted to turn Joyful into a full-fledged game, with full Koo Dragonhead cult?

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>>386728927

Not sure, I haven't heard from him in forever, maybe he's still lurking on /indie/ who knows.

>>386722627
>>386721406
that song is listed very prominently in the credits btw

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>>386719734
>>386721261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQL46u8GL3o

always makes me kek

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>>386729158
Nope. It's only "Praise Wally", "My Lord, My Wally", "Muddy Water" and "Beehive". And Beehive has three samples listed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kizAG8B8kms

Amazing track, honestly.

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>>386690639
>Which is the better game?
Objectively, Undertale. There are things that Lisa does better like spritework but overall Undertale has the advantage in gameplay, which is all that matters in a videogame.
>Which do you like more?
I like both. I can't say I prefer one over the other. Above I had to answer Undertale but it doesn't mean I like it more. For instance, I liked Lisa's writing much more.

>>386726982
They are like day and night vro.
Lisa Fangames are complete new stories, unitale battles are just that, a battle.
It has dialog, it has new mechanics but it's just a single battle most of the time.

why do people hate the joyful?
is /v/ too stupid to enjoy it?

>>386724554
depends on how much you need to pay the clear the samples. it can get really impractical. something like public enemy's old albums would be unprofitable to make nowadays, even though they're platinum albums just because of the cost of the samples.

it can work though, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE

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>>386729687
Let's be honest, compared to the Painful it's a big let down. Now, it's not THAT bad, but it's not THAT good either.

>>386729864
for an epilogue game?
nah, but im not stupid like /v/ and get my hopes up ultra high like some kid. thats how i can enjoy Phantom Pain and they cant

>>386729687
It's harder, it controls worse, the story feels forced but I honestly liked it.
I just love buddy.

>>386729956
>thats how i can enjoy Phantom Pain
Oh. Nevermind.

>>386729956
People don't enjoy the phantom pain because it's barebones as hell and unfinished. Literally all it has going for it is the core gameplay.

>>386692116
>Moon
You can speak nip?

>>386730002
>enjoying a game that lived up to the false hype that was created for PW
at least i finally got muh PMC building game. PW was garbage and proved /v/ has shit taste in everything

>>386729993
>the joyful
>hard
you have to learn like a single kind of timed hit and you blow throw the game in an hour
people like you are why he added all those handicaps to the update, and why he had to put a balloon on the starting cliff in painful

>>386730052
game is fine to play, every game has cut content
you guys just got autistically hype

>>386730146
?
Joyful is harder than Painful. Only nerds use joy.

>>386690639
Haven't played LISA.

But I MIGHT.

>>386729687
The combat is so much weaker without party members, and there are some very questionable choices in characterization.

That said it when it's good it's great. So much potential, so little realized.

>>386730220
neither game is hard, not even on pain mode.
cmon anon, i bet joyful in a sitting with no frustration

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>>386729687
>>386729864
It's a circlejerk. It's just popular to hate it. I remember that people who waited for the release were rather satisfied and let down at the same time. It wasn't that good, but it was obviously just a rushed kickstarter goal, not a full-fledged game. I still really like it, bosses were cool, music was great, ending was great. He should've had more time to develop it, but what's done is done.

It's funny how they blame Buddy for being retarded while she was obviously under the effects of Joy. She ate bunch of pills back in The Painful, and it was shown numerous times how people go crazy after taking them.

>>386692116
Earthbound ripped off Dragon Quest.

>>386730267
I bet you played after the easy mode update was lit, nerd.

>>386730234
>The combat is so much weaker without party members
well its kinda a cinematic epilogue and short
>and there are some very questionable choices in characterization.
i thought /v/ was a dick suck for
>creator's rights
tho?
>That said it when it's good it's great. So much potential, so little realized.
>muh 'potential'
so this is just fluff?

>>386730267
And I beat The pointless in 3 hours.
The joyful is objectively harder than Painful nigger, I'm not saying they are hard to me, but there's a reason why you had the complain about the balloon and shit.
Don't assume shit about me faggot.

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>>386728597
Full pic for the love of god

>>386730334
i backed it on kickstarter and got the dlc on release, fag
i got my backer shirt all dirty during an acid trip tho :^(

>>386730350
>but there's a reason why you had the complain about the balloon and shit.
cuz the first 'review' of the game ever was just some dude complaining he jumped off the cliff and stopped playing
and i havent played any of the fan made games because they look lame and try-hard

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>>386730278
Buddy is to blame for being stupid way before she tried the Joy.
And guess who's to blame for her eating Joy in the first place.

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>>386730450
Don't talk shit about difficulty if you haven't played the best in the series, mechanically speaking; The pointless, which is canon btw.

>>386730476
That joy was Marty's He specifically told buddy to not use Joy.

>>386730278
the whole point of buddy is that she was caught in a vicious cycle
the abuse brad went through turned him into an over-bearing psychopath that vilified all men as people trying to enslave and control buddy in her mind

>>386730450
>cuz the first 'review' of the game ever was just some dude complaining he jumped off the cliff and stopped playing
He didn't stop. He claims that he retried several more times, but always died before reaching the save point. Save point is in the next screen.

>>386730547
Fangames are never canon. Just headcanon.

>>386730547
i probably wont play it desu, i bet itd take a night tho
and you sound autistic af btw lol

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>>386730476
>>386730583

>And guess who's to blame for her eating Joy in the first place.

Marty didn't even know what joy was, it was obvious Buddy brought the pills with her to Marty's island either from finding them lying around Brad's place, or while she was caught by Buzzo and gang.

>>386730278
>>386730585
Buddy didn't take joy, she was a legit psychopath because of Brad,
Also because she wanted to be free and yet she was always a pawn in someone else's game and that's why she wanted to kill everyone.
>>386730643
Pointless is canon. Dingaling said so.

>>386730583
>Hey don't use that
>No
>Oh ok, whatever

>>386730593
he was probably lying, then
just to make it seem like he gave the game more of a try

>>386730684
>Pointless is canon. Dingaling said so.
citation needed
and does anything interesting actually happen in pointless?

>>386730651
I don't think Marty would have given Joy to Buddy.

>>386730643
Dingaling said a lot of stupid shit in twitter.

All fangames are canon.

Buzzo's real full name is Bernard Buttfart.

>>386730742
Yeah, you can't expect that kind of behaviour from a person that abused his sons.

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>>386730731
Yes, the combat is pretty good, there's some pretty good scenes and the comedy is alright.

>>386691820
>>386699037
This. I was excited trying the game out and got a pretty short and shitty "game" with a few mediocre 4th wall breaks.

>>386730752
>Make fangame where Brad isn't a Joy addict
>Suddenly we have two canons that contraddict eachother
Nice.

>>386691659
Lisa>Undertale>OFF>>>>Oneshot.
OFF would be so much better if the gameplay wasn't a chore.

>>386730925
you do know canon is a concept only beheld by legitimate autistics, right?

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>>386690639
LISA is literally GOAT
even if the joyful is just fanservice

>>386730976
I agree with you, those that say The Pointless is canon are autists.

>>386731016
Buddy is so freaking hot, man.

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>>386690639
LISA's better
undertale has the better dev
i want to hatefuck buddy

>>386731049
im saying caring about whats canon at all is autistic

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>>386721109
It's good. Kinda short (you need 7-9 hours with NG+ route included), but really charming and also have cute catkid as MC

>>386730346
What the fuck does creator rights have to do with storytelling quality? What is wrong with you?

>>386730220
all you do is spam poison and heal whats hard about it

>>386690639
>playing meme games

>>386731223
im saying /v/ is full of dick sucks who pay attention to shit like that, so im surprised theyre sticking up for spin off games when they dont even like something that was written by the actual creator
but i really think your all just 2 dumb to get it

>>386731269
there didnt used to be a heal

>>386707032
What is even going on in this image?
Isn't that the singer of linkin park?
What's he doing with cute show asians?

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>>386731361

What abilities did Buddy originally have? I remember playing a pirated version of joyful a long time ago and all I remembered her having were various stabby abilities and flash with no healing. Did she have poison and sleep, or was that added in later too?

>>386731087
>>386731051

Same desu.

>>386731682
that was all added, originally it was just her slashes and flash, i think he also put more ways to get items as well
and theres also easy mode

>>386731821
Holy shit they added healing?
That's so goddamn lame man.

>>386731314
Yes, anon, we are just too dumb. Good thing you're here, otherwise we'd be so confused.

>>386732461
im laffing because i dont spoon feed and havent all thread
>>386732457
Yeah, it is. but enough people complained about the games difficulty
>t. /v/

>>386693849
>everyone had a hard life
>10/10 writing, so meaningful

>>386732665
>tfw too intelligent 2 liev

>>386690639
Undertale's the better game, Lisa is more polished, I like both similarly.

>>386691585
This is some good taste

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>>386703906
Here's another one.

>>386690639
Neither have remotely good gameplay so LISA wins out by not being tumblrshit about generic furries.

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Things that ruin Joyful:
- lack of exploration, feels too much like Area 3 of Painful which already was weak
- lack of equipment progression
- Buddy's needed more skills
- Buzzo's atonement
- vaccine

Things that people bitch about but don't ruin Joyful in any way:
-Buddy's character and motivations

Joyful needed scenes where Buddy is taking Joy actively, maybe even taking control from player to pop it during boss fights. The story clearly implies that Buddy was abusing Joy at that point, being emotionally numb to everything and losing the grasp on reality. All the events of DLC make no sense if you're doing Joyless run.

>>386732981
>All the events of DLC make no sense if you're doing Joyless run.

She was talking joy before Joyful even started though. It's the same reason Brad still mutates even if you don't use joy at all in the game. Buddy and Brad were screwed the moment they popped their first pill.

>>386733193
Brad was doing Joy for years, Buddy only started taking it mid-way through Painful. And the effects of Joy wear out pretty quickly, it doesn't work for days.

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I never played lisa, but can we just admit how terribly stupid undertale is? exp stands for execution points? seriously? If anyone were to pitch that they'd get shot down so fast. Or what about the part where you can't kill ANYONE coz ''kill'n is bad, its never the answer uhuhuoohoo." Its derivative and panders to people with severe Aspergers. An evil 'you' at the end holding a bloody butcher knife. Don't get me wrong its funny at times but when it tries to be serious, holy fuck. Its like it was meant to milk autists money.

Are Pointless and Hopeful worth playing?

Pointless losk really good but I think they got the art style wrong. It's way too detailed, to the point of being messy.

>>386735302
No fangame ever is worth playing. No matter how shilled they are, they will never match or surpass the original.

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>>386733281

That's a good point, but we don't know how much time has passed between the decision to take the a vaccine or not and Buddy's transformation. For all we know, it could have been 10 years later, since Buddy looks noticeably more adult in the non-mutated ending.

>>386735302
>Are Pointless and Hopeful worth playing?

Absolutely. I guess the spritework for Pointless can be subjective, but I think the Pointless backgrounds are great.

Kind of a minor issue I have about them that I don't see get brought up is that a lot of the areas feel less desolate than the locations in the canon games. They're both harder than the main game though because they have limited resources and places/enemies to grind like the Wrestling area or shadow creatures.

>>386733281
Once you take at least two or three pills you're finished, that was established by Buzzo. Effects are stronger depending on mental condition.

>>386733908
Everything from killing one enemy to killing everyone but one enemy counts as Neutral route and you get a perfectly fine ending with that. Your autism is clearly even worse if you actually post in a thread about two games you've never played.

>>386690639
i have been looking for some undervanias
should i give LISA a go?

>>386737308
Yes

You wouldn't destroy Buddy's hymen if you found her, right guys? I trust you will make the right decision.

The one not made by a SJW, so Undertale.

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>>386728597
>They're both shit
>that I've never played

>>386737463
I'd rather wank on dirty mags for my whole life rather than fucking an underage girl.
That being said, once Buddy reaches the mature age, I wouldn't mind. Too bad she's a phycho and I'm not into sticking my dick in crazy.

>>386703906
The Drunken Paladin is fucking amazing.

>>386723430

Four party team of Beltboy, and the girl meet the Pointless Two in the big city and go on a sweet ass quest to save the world from Buddy when

>>386703906
Was there any major update to .flow recently?

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>>386737463

>crazy girl kills every girl who tries to rape her
>you try to rape her
>she kills you too

Not a good idea

>>386691585
This is a CUTE boy! I want to kiss him!

>>386738062
damn buddy looks fine. i thought she was supposed to be ugly not that i'm complaining though, i prefer her looking good, naturally.

>>386736820
I played undertale I enjoyed it even, it wasn't untill after I realized how stupid the story was. maybe I just overlooked it because of the well composed music, albeit the stolen snes soundfonts. The characters are also all generic archetypes, the game really has no identity.

>>386738410
>i thought she was supposed to be ugly
Wasn't it referring to Fardy?

>>386690639
I prefer the Lisa trilogy, but Undertale is worth at least one pacifist playthrough 2bh

>>386738410
Buddy isn't ugly at all. Half of her face got fucked up from the dude clawing at it, underneath the bandage, but it's established she's a fairly pretty girl other than that. And the fact she only has one nipple. maybe.
>>386735302
Pointless is fucking perfect. I liked it better than Hopeful, but that's simply because it's not even done yet and the bromance is fucking real and it didn't make me completely want to die like the sad ending to hopeful. Also, I mean, god damn. You basically got one character who does all the damage and one that spams the shit out debuffs and stuns. It's such a legit dynamic, and you really tell how good friends they become.

>>386703906
That is entry level as fuck.

>>386731051
She's like 9 my dude

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>>386738410

Kind of hard to tell with how simplistic the sprites are.

Some guys in Painful say she's ugly, but it turned out to be Fardy, Bolo says she's pretty, and Tooley says she's "kind of cute." But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the guys in Olathe probably don't have high standards considering their situation.

>>386738527

Yeah, Joel is a cool concept for a battler, in that he "fights" solely by threatening people into thinking he will shoot them.

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>>386697435
>Dem artifacts
Please have this, straight from Nightmargin's tumblr.

>>386720646
One By One. Day To Day. Truant.

>>386738712
In the next installment, I would like to see some small measure of attack from him. A single target, high cost attack with a large chance to miss pistol whip, just to give him some small ability to inflict damage now that our main hero is so greviously hurt. He's an old man now, and after what happened to him I'm sure he'll never be the same, but he may become stronger for it in the end.

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>>386738649
>She's like 9 my dude

I thought she was like 13-14. Otherwise, how would flash work on people if she is wearing her mask?

>>386738970
She's also like, a tiny asian girl, so she may actually be older than we think. Maybe even like, fifteen at the end of Joyful, and in the post-credits scene, she's a full adult.

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>>386738967
>just to give him some small ability to inflict damage now that our main hero is so greviously hurt.

You can cure that injury from Alex but that means you'd have to leave Joel with his busted bones.

>>386738967
Bottles. He kills things with bottles already.

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>>386738410
Buddy is just a normal little girl. Fan art tend to draw her older and "sexier" for those fanservice points.

>>386739057
>asian
Yado has Eastern Asian/Russian ancestry, and we don't know anything about the wife. She's barely asian.

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>>386740151

I figured Dr Yado was Japanese due to his name, and his wife was Russian, making Buddy hafu.

>>386740151
Isn't Yado a japanese word for 'Inn'?

>>386740516
>>386740527
I don't think you should read too much into "Yado" name, I'm 100% sure he's just named after "Hotel Yado" from Mother 3.

>>386740516
But Yado himself also has Russian ancestry according to Austin, so it's hard to say. And Buddy's name was "Nancy", which is hardly Asian or Russian name.

>>386740801
Nonetheless, she's a small girl no matter her heritage, really, despite her age. There's no way she's just nine or ten. By the end of Painful, she's probably a teen.

>>386728597
seconded for full pic, or at least artist

>>386741220
Can you go being a furry elsewhere, fuck you?

>>386730371
>>386741220
here ya go
https://e621.net/post/show/777734/2015-anthro-belly-big_breasts-boss_monster-breasts

>>386739158
So that decision at the end of Part 1 will lead to
[sp]Which of the two will be crippled a lot at the start of Part 2. Although I wonder in what levels the trust between the two will be affected, especially since you had to kill that old man to get the medkit, which Joel knows, but hasn't really reacted on it yet at the end of Part 1.[/sp]

>>386729687
My biggest problem with Lisa the joyful was Doctor Yado. One of my favorite things about Lisa is the fact that nobody is evil. The characters are just victims of their circumstances doing what they think is right for the world.
Then comes Doctor fucking Yado. The most generic and cliche villain to ever be shat out of any media. Fucking Ganondorf has a better motivation for being evil.
Broken tooth March was fucking cool though.

>>386729687
I feel darkness
Darkness
Deep inside

>>386741373
Cheers anon.

Yeah, but where the hell did Terry go?

>>386742025
is buddy into evanescence?

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>read wiki on companions
>Garth is a kickstarter character that is based on some tumblr porn drawfag
>go to his tumblr
>dicks everywhere
>men with cunts
Well, people change, I guess.

Also, post best teams
>Bo
>Carp
>Harvey
Fuck Terry, he abandoned the party the first time I camped outside.

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>>386743881
why is bo so god tier?

>>386743881
The character concept is neat, but like most people who spend money to have their OC featured he was an autistic dickhead.

>>386744596
I really don't get his combo option, though. All it does is waste SP.

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>>386741373
Many thanks my friend

one game:
sit and spin adventure

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>>386710175

>>386741820
I mean, to be fair, Yado DID show up in Painful and it was always implied he did the shit he did. But Painful did give him some pretty weak reasons for it.

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What do you guys think of the dome theory?

>>386748351
I don't know it.

>>386737519
>dumb anime poster falls for the bait
Pottery.

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>>386690639
Undertale wins purely based on the dodging mechanic of the game. It reminds me a lot of Mario & Luigi RPG games in that if you're good at the game you'll take no damage at all, only it kicks it up a notch making it THE major feature of the combat system. Fourth wall breaking stuff I liked, but it was novel to me at the time. I'm glad I played the game before I even knew what it was supposed to be.

Both are good though, as is >>386691585 though not being able to get hurt at all in OneShot did leave something to be desired.

>>386748664
The theory states Olathe is cordoned off with a large dome covering the entire region. This helps to explain the day night cycle being strange and other things i cant quite remember.
I'm currently playing through the game to see if there is any validity to this theory.

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Post >yfw Buddy fell into the Underground instead of Frisk

>>386692293
I greatly disliked the DLC for that reason. Either action on the player's part in the base game can be justified since neither are wrong. Solstice invalidated that choice in the same way that Lisa the Painful invalidated the player's choice to be selfish or selfless, without the impact. The writing itself is also generally weak, but I excuse that since life took a fat shit on the writer at the time and they were rushing to get the update out.

t.beta tester

>>386749360
Well, it would explain why nobody tries to leave that place.

>>386749360
>and other things i cant quite remember.
vertical cloud formations

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>>386749360