Steam client is DRM confirmed

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>>386631032
Only people that care about any of these things are pirates. Quit video games if DRM bothers you. We don't need parasites.

>>386631032
So it doesn't actually do anything?
Good to know op, now fuck off.

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>if you're offline for more than 2 weeks steam offline mode refuses to work

When did they add this fucking bullshit?

>>386631032
Why is this a problem to you when you know that you and any other reasonable person can pirate 99% of the games available on Steam and play them without it?

>>386631032
In other news the grass is green and the sky is blue.

>>386631032
>Steam client is DRM

Thread immediately turned to shit

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>>386631242
But that's wrong, idiot.

>>386631242
I don't know, but I've downloaded pirate copies of the games I'd still want to continue playing if Steam goes kaput, goes offline for some reason, or if I ever lose my Internet for a long time for some reason.

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Steamworks is the drm often bundled with steam games. Steam itself is not drm, steamworks is. It is up to the developer whether or not to include the steamworks drm with their game being sold on steam. Many games can be launched directly from their exe file without having steam open.

Op is a faggot, once again and as always.

>>386631171
>Only people that care about any of these things are pirates.
quite the opposite. I don't even play games on PC
I'm just showing that you retards that buy digital rights to play video games using steam servers are simply dumb goys
>>386631221
die scum

>>386631032
Why don't we talk about the NWO?

>>386631032
>1) Games are stored in your computer but you can't modify the files
Don't people literally just go into the steam folder and fuck around with games all the time? To what extent are we talking about modifying?

>>386631390
>Steam itself is not drm
Yes it is. The only way to play a steam game is to use the binary that has the encrypted code that downloaded from your client
Proof: ask your friend to .zip a steam offline game and you can't run without a signature .exe provided by steam

>>386631032
>TL;DR: Steam is a fucking scam even their ''offline'' games are bundled with DRM encryption
false
there are plenty DRM-free games on Steam
you can't even check what is inside your console at all
there is not a bigger DRM market than the console market

>>386631413
>I don't even play games on PC
Not the anon you are responding to but with that why should we even care about your opinion?

>>386631451
You are allowed to modify files that they allow. They only work if you run it in a steam enviroment (that is, an environment which has DRM signatures attached to your account)

>1) Games are stored in your computer but you can't modify the files
but I mod my games and edit .ini files all the time

>>386631538
>opinion
HURRRRR DURRRRRRR IS NOT DRM XD
check the previous thread or fuck off.

Ok so what's your alternative?
Oh nothing?

That's what I thought. Shut the fuck up fag literally no one cares

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>>386631413
So you play games on consoles. Enjoy having your physical medium for the games decay and become obsolete as their consoles all break down and backwards compatibility support is bad to shitty compared to PC.

By the way, do you really think you'll have physical game copies in Gamestop after this gen?

>>386631032
>not an argument.
Sorry, but you can't decide what is or isn't an argument, dear.

>>386631517
Lie. The .exe only works (the game will only launch) if you have a .exe provided by steam and the only way you can have this .exe is by downloading an encrypted file from their servers which prevents any person from decryption it otha the steamapi.dll they provide for each game
>>386631681
The point of this thread is to show to steam shills that they lie everytime they say Steam client is not DRM

>>386631606
You know it would be easier to just admit you don't have an argument. Might even help with your blood pressure

>>386631764
I just tested and anyone can test
The game don't even launch if you don't have the execrable downloaded from steam(the only way you can get it is by using the steam client).
>b-but muh based gaben gives the largest collection of drm-free xDD
fuck off you piece of shit

Don't give a shit, it's a non-issue only spergs care about

>>386631032

Op's post is so retarded that it begs response even if it's bait.

>1) Games are stored in your computer but you can't modify the files
Legally, that's the case for most non-FOSS software, even before steam.
>2) The binary files in your computer are only using your CPU/GPU as a parasite to connect to steam servers otherwise they are worthless
But that's not true, you fucking retard. There's dozens of games you can launch with internet deactivated and not even opening steam, straight from the filesystem.
>3) Even if you modify the files offline it's still illegal
See point 1
>4) You agreed to purchase the license to authenticate a game online, you don't purchase the game itself
Again, see point 1. You never buy a software, game or not. You are given a LICENSE to use it, wheter for free or as a result of a commercial transaction.
You think you OWN <insert game here> just because you have a disc with it?
>5) Valve DRM client called Steam allow third party DRM to connect o to third party servers without your consent
False, you consent in the EULA.

>>386632230
>There's dozens of games you can launch with internet deactivated and not even opening steam, straight from the filesystem.
that's completely false I just waited a 3 hour download (slow torrent) to run the game and it only worked with the provided decrypted .exe some user provided in the last thread

>>386631242
>>if you're offline for more than 2 weeks steam offline mode refuses to work

>When did they add this fucking bullshit?

Blatantly false. I tun steam offline for a month every year in summer while on the seaside, nothing of the sort happens.

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>>386631485
Did you not open the gif I posted or something? Let me do it again. I'll also restate, IT IS UP TO THE DEVELOPER WHETHER OR NOT TO USE THE STEAM API OR THE STEAMWORKS DRM. Steam itself is not the drm. 95% of steam games use the steam api or steamworks, but that does not change the fact that steam itself is not the drm.

>knows people who buy games dont care about the DRM
>doesn't consider it an argument because that will destroy his argument

how sad is your life OP?

>>386631032
What the actual fuck are you retard talking about? I guess you got some drm on your brain fgt. The only games that contain drm are the ones who need to connect to a server for online play or whatever and most of the others can just be copied from the /common/ folder and even be run on a machine that doesn't even have steam installed

Dont ever try that shit again OP

>>386632332
you pc gamers are stupid illiterate people

NOT DRM
1) Download the files and run .exe from any system and anywhere in any hard drive

STEAM DRM
2) The decrypted .exe will work anywhere but you only get it by being connected to steam servers through the Steam client
a) if you copy your steam folder game to any other system it will run as long as you provide the DRM .exe steam provided
b) Steam free-DRM is a myth because the client itself does an online check to give you the decrypted .exe file to your account

TL;DR your retarded gif is only proving my point: you already have a decrypted .exe file provided by steam that is attached to your account by using a unique signature

ALSO IMPORTANT TO ILLITERATE PC GAMERS

The executable .exe WILL ONLY LAUNCH IF:
a) you connect to the internet through steam client and it checks your account
OR
b)if you have already a decyrpted .exe file that was previously authenticated.

>that's completely false I just waited a 3 hour download (slow torrent) to run the game and it only worked with the provided decrypted .exe some user provided in the last thread

See the gif at >>386631390.
Other example with 'D' like Dominions? Darkest Hour.

Also, it's amazing how retarded you are.
You are saying: "One unnamed game doesn't have this" to counter an existential assertion stating "there are some games that have this", for which proof has already been provided.

>>386632705
read this:
>>386632560
>>386632651

You are too stupid to realize what the steam client does is the definition of DRM
When you download a REAL DRM-FREE game from gog it will work in any system without ANY KIND of signature or decryption

>>386631729
You are fucking retarded and should immediately cease posting forever.

Id wager my anal virginity op is either a poor console kiddie or someone whos lashing out because he got banned on steam

>>386631032
>1) Games are stored in your computer but you can't modify the files
Yes you can. Heard of mods? lol

>>386633104
>>386633204
I'd wager that somehow one of richard stalllman's pubes gained sentience and the ability to post on online messageboards and we are now arguing with that single sentient pubic hair.

>>386633204
sure, as long as you have the steamapi.dll and .exe authenticated you can modify whatever you want goy

>>386633438
Jesus christ go get a job you fucking loser

>>386633506
>don't have an argument
>g-go get a job!
>g-go have sex!
That's why pc gaming will always be remembered as degenerate 13 year old brazilians screaming on microphone

>>386633438
Your entire argument rests on this single nebulous idea that steam provides you with an encrypted exe that is unique to your steam account and you can only launch games with this encrypted exe.

I want you to prove it.

I'll concede that steam is drm if you can provide irrefutable evidence that steam encrypts exes unique to individual steam accounts. I've provided evidence that some steam games can be run without steam. I'll wait here for you to provide your evidence.

>>386631032
>breaking news
>OP suddenly learns how Steam has been working for a decade
wew

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/list_of_drmfree_games_on_steam/page1
Fuck off retard

gog is the way to go since i don't play AAA trash anymore
crpg games are on gog, most indies are on gog
I don't need anything else
Steam is only good for that few mp games to play with your friends

>>386633615
>single nebulous idea that steam provides you with an encrypted exe
It's not an idea this is what happens. That's why it's not DRM-free like muh based Gaben fans claim.
I don't need to provide any evidence, you can test yourself. Pack your cancerous steam folder and try to run in a different machine and it won't run

>>386633590
Get a job

>>386633759
>I don't need to provide any evidence
KILL YOURSELF

FUCKING MORON

IF YOUR AIM WAS TO MAKE ME MAD GOOD JOB

YOU WIN

I MAD

FUCKING HELL IM GOING OUTSIDE FOR A SMOKE TO CALM DOWN

>>386633759
I've done this multiple times with Terraria
It works fine

>>386633759
when has steam ever given any fucks about representing itself as non-DRM? it's part of the package

>>386633759
Already did, sent LISA to multiple friends and they had no trouble running it.

>Gabe takes a huge shit on the Steam servers
>can't play singleplayer games anymore

Uhhhm, guys???

>>386631621
>Ok so what's your alternative?
Pirating

>>386633805
Why should I record myself trying to run the unencrypted file if anyone in this thread can test it in 5 minutes?
When you download a steam game if you don't have the authenticated .exe it won't run it won't even launch

It's not like we have a choice, all the good games are only on Steam. Who fucking cares anyway, I can play the games now, I don't give a fuck about end of the world scenarios where Steam suddenly shuts down.

Consider the following
>steam fan boy shills always refer to the "fact" that you don't own games you buy in steam (this opinion most likely comes straight from Valve)
>Valve tried to use this excuse in court to justify not obeying refunds " we don't sell products so we can't offer refunds"
>they got told to gtfo
>the steam store has refered to games as your games you own. On the store page when purchasing
Considering this why would anyone keep buying games from them?
>

>>386631032
MASTER RACE WINS AGAIN BABY

this morning my internet was out and I tried to play valkyrie drive without launching steam, and every time I tried to run the .exe the game would crash on startup. as soon as I launched the steam client the game would run normally.

Does anyone here have trails in the sky the 3rd?
I'll provide the unecrypted .exe file and you replace in your folder and you'll see the game won't launch

>>386633926
Depends on the game, many games run just fine which I know for a fact because that's how I shared them with my friends

Just report the OP
Guy is clearly flaming pc gamers in general

MODS

>>386634029
die scum

>>386633926
>why should I provide evidence to back up my claims
You're literally 14 years old tops.

>>386634016
what you share is basically a cracked game
A crack is simple a .exe that has a valid signature
you are sharing your signature that's ok but it's not DRM-free.

>>386634115
this thread will be deleted soon because of muh feeling pc gamers
Make another thread that won't die and I'll post the .exe file that don't have online authentication and you'll see it won't run

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>>386631032
>1) ...but you can't modify the files
...yes I can
I used a Source Randomizer just a few days ago on Half Life 2, it worked fine and runs without complaints
I even used it with Steam offline, to make sure nothing got updated back to normal

>>386631032
If this is what you care about in life then you should be shot in the head for being a numale retard. No one cares if you use steam or not, dipshit.

>>386633926
Where do you even get these so called unencrypted files?

>>386634148
Where's your proof? How the fuck would you even get an unsigned game off steam?

>>386631032
Alright, so, which of these points prevents me from playing my Steam games?

>>386634235
>I even used it with Steam offline
No, you don't lmao. Try playing on real offline.

>>386634272
>>386634280
I don't know where they release but I got one from CODEX (the pirate team)
The game without the .exe signed didn't launch here and the other user sent me his .exe and it worked like any crack would
Maybe there is an easy way to download unencrypted steam games but I don't even have steam here so I'm not familiar with the environment
Maybe they download the game and stop the internet connection before the activation

I mean... I thought it was already pretty well known that Steam is just a glorified game renting service.

>>386634382
holy shit lmao

look at this kid and laugh guys

>>386631032
You never purchase the game itself

>>386634382
So your argument is that steam itself is drm yet your proof is from a steamworks crack
lol ok

>>386634364
You're literally denying thigs that are common knowledge
I can play any game on my Steam list when I don't have internet access

Are you trolling or just really fucking moronic?

>>386634489
No, the .exe provided by the user is the proof he purchased the game and had a valid signature which worked as a crack (like any crack downloaded from any pirate team)

OP here. Trolled you guys hard lol

>>386634440
No, not renting. Renting implies you have to eventually return it. The only way you lose a game on Steam is if you violate the EULA, which usually means hacking or cheating in some way, which means you don't deserve to play the game. So, don't be a hacker and you're golden.

>>386634526
Sooooooooo a steamworks crack

>>386634495
>I can play any game on my Steam list
No, you don't. Try booting up your fucking computer without any online access.

Then play any singleplayer game you purchased on Steam.

>>386634557
If I was a steam user I would run all my games offline in a separated hard drive without the steam client
That's better than allowing valve servers own the game I purchased

>>386634557
You dont lose your game by hacking or cheating. If the game has vac you get banned from playing multiplayer but that's it.

>>386634557
*Renting without time limit
You never ever own a game when you buy a game on steam.
If steam shut down you would lose your library.

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>>386634364
You mean not even using Steam? Okay gimme a second
How about now, even unplugged my ethernet for it

>>386634606
I do that literally all the time lmao
Ever heard of offline mode?

>>386634712
You have to be online to turn on offline mode.

>>386631032
You're almost a decade late.
OP is a fag living under a rock.

>>386634671
Prove it

>>386634606
I do that all the time anon. My work requires that I travel, and sometimes I like to play games on my laptop when there's no wifi.

>>386634671
the only games you don't lose are the games which provide the steamapi.dll which you previously authenticated
However most games don't work well without the client being online

>>386634631
Why, though? That's a needlessly complicated way of doing things just to say fuck you to someone who already has your money.
>>386634647
Right, that.
>>386634671
Okay, and? "Here's this thing, you pay me and I'll let you use it as much as you want forever and I won't ever stop or hinder your play unless you break these very reasonable rules."
Also
>Steam
>shut down
Do you really see that happening? Be honest with me.

>>386634712
>offline mode
>have to be online

Dumb fucking retard lmao

>Steam client is DRM confirmed
Wow, never before in the >10 years steam has been around did i realise this, such a profound and insightful OP.

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>>386634745
Then what does Steam do when you turn on a PC with no internet connection?

>>386634745
Is this nigga serious?

>>386634745
Ok now you're baiting or just plain retarded

>>386634745
>startup computer
>"steam couldn't connect to the internet, do you want to use offline mode?"
This is a feature that's enabled by default, so if it doesn't work for you that means you deliberately turned it off in the options menu

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Hey OP I'd like to turn the other cheek here and offer to help.

What game were you trying to play offline that didn't work? How did you obtain that game?

Please be as honest as you can, I genuinely want to help you out here. I'm offering the olive branch, will you take it?

>>386634834
Restrict you from playing any offline games.

That's why Steam users are sub-human retards who will make a thread in /v/ when Gabe takes huge shit on the Steam servers.

>>386634814
Your trolling is pretty blatant and makes me wish mods actually cared

>>386631032
>Steam client is DRM confirmed
and how's this news? we always knew steam, origin, uplay, denuvo etc. were DRM.

>>386631032
>1) Games are stored in your computer but you can't modify the files
Steam does nothing to prevent modification of game client files, the only danger is modding multiplayer games which may perform file integrity checks independently of steam.

>2) The binary files in your computer are only using your CPU/GPU as a parasite to connect to steam servers otherwise they are worthless
Steam games only look for an authentication token that resides on your local computer, you only need to connect to the steam servers once to generate this token.

There are some games like Frozen Synapse that do not perform this check at all, it's up to the publisher/developer whether they even utilise Steamworks DRM, which is part of the game .exe and independent of the Steam client anyway.

>3) Even if you modify the files offline it's still illegal
But steam does nothing to stop this, additionally, EULA's are not legally binding in most countries.

>4) You agreed to purchase the license to authenticate a game online, you don't purchase the game itself
This is true of literally all software.

>5) Valve DRM client called Steam allow third party DRM to connect o to third party servers without your consent
You get an EULA prompt when installing games with third party DRM, additionally, the presence of third party DRM is clearly listed on the store page.

>>386634906
But...it doesn't.

>>386634795
always online is the last bullet in the videogame's head
Always online is the first step into transforming video games in a huge MMO korean lan house
Every future game will be Dota and LoL due to this mentality
If Valve sold their games for 80 dollars but you actually owned the game and you could use your .exe file anywhere I'd happily migrate to pc gaming

>>386631032
>EA employee tries to reduce Valve's market share by making shit up.

>>386634876
Anon the problem is OP is just plain shitposting
i'm glad to see someone that wants to help on /v/ though

>>386635021
Nah its just some bored neet

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>>386635021
>B-But [Other Company]

OP sure is putting a lot of effort into this shitty troll thread. At least we get to see who the real retards are like >>386634992

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>>386634906
Then apparently I've been gifted with the Olympian ability to have a normal, functioning PC that cares not for the follies of these lies and can run games no matter where I got them from, no matter what my internet connection says
Whatever man, these threads are pointless until someone finds actual evidence that Steam fucks me over in a way that isn't "oops I forgot to download that one game"

>>386634876
not OP but I've seriously had issues with Denuvo games giving "cant launch this game offline" and family sharing not working, the game would appear in the shared library but after clicking play it was giving "failed to initialize steam API"
I'd basically had to reset the sharing settings and call my friend to exchange authorization codes each time we wanted to play.
10 minutes wasted every time

>>386635127
well yeah denuvo games NEEDS to be online to work

>>386634842
>>386634872
>>386634834

>Log off steam turn off computer
>Turn on computer later without internet
>Can't use offline mode

That's how it works.

>>386634992
1. Steam is not always online. It has been said countless times in this thread that just about all single player games on Steam can be played offline. Always online is shit like Sim City 4 where if you're not online it prevents you from playing the game entirely.
2. You are the worst kind of alarmist who thinks one minute trend = overwhelming majority. Fact of the matter is no, very, very few games require "always online" outside of online multiplayer.
3. No, no they won't. That's both insane and retarded. That's intarded.
4. No you wouldn't and console games have just as much, if not more DRM than Steam does. You think you own that disc? You think the software you use when you download off XBLA or PSN etc. is yours? Check their pages, they have EULAs too. Sorry, anon, but you're no better off than anyone else. Just play your games and don't cheat and you will never see any problem ever with any of them.

>>386635082
Where has Gaben touched you? You're acting scandalous even though no one In the thread actually bit your bait so I am inclined to believe you are indeed what the other anon said, some poorfag mad he doesn't have a gaming pc

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>>386635021
>>386635074

Fuck you scum
EA and Valve are the same garbage. Their clients are DRM which allows third party authentication provided by Denuvo
It's embarrassing that you idiots eat this shit up and praise lord gaben because he set up a fucking fake sale once a year selling ubisoft, indie and anime waifubait garbage

>>386635184
What

>>386635184
Literally false. Have a (you) and kys

Is this the future we chose?

Everyone becoming a shit-eating V.alvedrone playing Dota 2 forever and ever and ever and ever?

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>>386635182
so even this error is due to Denuvo?

>>386635246
Is that your profile in the screenshot?

>>386635184
>Log off steam turn off computer
>Turn on computer later without internet
>Gaben will shower you with money and you'll get free blowjobs from hot Valve employees for life
I can make shit up too

>>386632651
You fucking stupid cuck. You have to be connected to the internet to download it. It decrypts right after download. Literally five seconds. Go into offline mode permanently if you want, enjoy your game.

>>386635194
>You are the worst kind of alarmist
I'm saying what's going on you dumb fuck I'm not trying to say what will happen in the future
This is already happening. Look at the thousands of MMO garbage we had since 2015 and they are promoting e-sports and putting money on it in the billions of dollars
People that play online games forget about the bad quality of the game
Proof: I played CS 1.6 a lot even though knowing the game was glitched to the extreme and every server had at least 60% of wall-hackers.
>>386635332
I don't have steam account since 2009

>>386631032
>Steam client is DRM confirmed
Yeah no shit it's DRM, I thought everyone knew this already? Also, who gives a shit

>>386635313
Jesu Christ jannies/mods do your fucking job

>>386635325
How will Val.vecucks explain this?

>if you pirate a game but don't crack it the game won't launch

wow what a shit shattering discovery
sage

>>386635380
>I don't have steam account since 2009
yes we can tell
now fuck off pajeet

>>386635380
GUYS! HOLY SHIT, GUYS, COMPANIES FOUND WAYS TO MAKE MONEY! OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD, GUYS, LOOK OUT! THEY'RE UTILIZING POPULAR MARKET TRENDS TO REAP PROFIT! HOLY SHIT, WHAT DO WE DO!?
The irony of that retarded 1.6 comment is that VAC secured servers would help combat that problem.

>>386635282
>>386635363

I'm bad at explaining stuff, but that's basically how offline mode works : https://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/245812/start-steam-in-offline-mode-without-an-internet-connection

someone pls dump some nudes. op is a literal retard
also steam drm is not encrypted, you can go in and mod bunch of steam dlls in the game using ollydbg

>>386635553
Get a job and acquire a brain

>>386635194
Also while it's true PSN digital games are not yours forever the fact any PS4 will play discs games (used or not) it's better than having to rely on third party severs to authenticate your games
You can even download firmware updates from PC to usb so you don't ever need to connect your console to the internet
>>386635504
That's a lie though I have a friend who played CS:GO in 2015 using paid hacks without any issue
he paid 15 euros and got very good wall-hacks

>>386632778
I recently put ffxiv on an external HDD and exported it on my gf's PC.
The launcher, as well as the game worked after importing all the assets. That includes secondars folders under "my documents" that contain interface and hotkey data.

>inb4 it has DRM free standalone PC version

>>386635380
You're such a fucking retard. Shitty Korean MMOs have been around for-fucking-ever, e-sports is getting bigger but so have playerbases so that's not news, people have been playing bad games since the dawn of time, and playing CS doesn't prove anything. Quit being an ass.

>>386635595
Kys steam shill.

>>386635616
Guarantee your friend Sergei is on his 3rd or 4th Steam account by now, Pajeet.

>>386635553
>I need to play a game on steam without logging in first
It can't authenticate, problem solved. Log in once and you're good, it's not difficult.

>>386635649
because she has steam client
>>386635668
Every year there are hundreds of new MMOs and always online is the perfect future for this to be the standard
Soon every country will be like korea since companies make a lot more money making shit online games than a 60 hour single player experience

>>386635773
Companies make more money off mobile than anything and we're not seeing a drought of PC/console games you fucking moron.

>>386635760
"CS:GO is hack-free'' is a myth
The game's code itself is hack friendly. The fact you can purchase a good wall hack and get undetected shows that a fucking indian or chinese programmer can bypass the shit Valve anti-cheat system

>>386635773
Considering how fucking good Korea's internet is? And the fact that there are large areas where it's completely free? Bring it the fuck on.

>>386635761
>have to be fucking online to play my games
You just proved him right.

steam is a fucking monopoly. Valve is a fucking rent-seeking parasite

I hope they get fucked up as soon as possible by the competition.

my biggest desire is to see the fucking parasites at valve fail or go through substantial financial difficulties and then start making products again

>>386635841
"Local special ed. boy thinks that because Valve does batch bans that he and his shitty Russian friends will never be caught."

So what happens to my games when valve goes under?

Use GOG you plebians

>>386635553
Wait, are you complaining that you can't just run an exe without authenticating at least once? Because that's all it takes, just once. Otherwise you could copy and paste your steam folder onto anyone's hdd and they could play everything. You're not so stupid that you think Valve should require devs to release their games with literally no protection, right? Right?

>>386635924
They are all gone. :)

>>386635886
This anon speaks the truth
Most pc gamers deserve Valve because they are too retard and too arrogant to support Gaben and his stupid monopoly

>>386631032
>>b-but why should I care I just want to play gaems xD
when you have to reply to the logical responses, your argument was not good enough and you've already filed your concession

>>386635886
>monopoly
Except for Origin, PSN, BNet, XBLA, Windows Live...

>>386635957

So then my paypal and credit cards get refunded the few hundred dollars I've spent on games then, right?

>>386635917
a fucking 15 euro hack made by chinese/indian programmers can bypass valve anti cheat
It's embarrassing to even consider valve anything other than a scam company

>>386636018
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

>>386635873
See >>386635956

>>386636036
"Special ed. boy continues to not understand what 'batch bans' means and coats his wall with a fresh paint of his own feces. More at 11."

Cds are drm let's ban them too

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>>386635438
this was support answer btw

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>>386635184
>disconnect myself from the net
>startup stronghold HD
>*wooosh* it works
fuck off.

>>386635924
>>386635957
>>386636018
>>386636038
Stop replying to yourself. It's pathetic and masturbatory.

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>>386636087
>stays undetected for 4 months
>b-but at least he lost his account

>thing I don't like is bad thing
>here is why
>evidence is literally mental gymnastics
Kys OP

>>386635924
At worst, same as if your house were to burn down in regards to physical copies.

>>386631032
You're all dumb fucks you can have a pirated copy of a game if you own the game legally drm baby's btfo

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>>386631729
Okay, let's test this
I downloaded a DRM free game on steam called Super Crate Box. After that I downloaded the game from official site (it uses a version distributed on YoYo). I've changed the exe from the site version of the game to steam version and launched the game with no issues. Where's your argument now? Steam is not DRM, Steamworks is. Nearly all of the games use steamworks though, but that's irrelevant to your point. You have no idea what you're talking about, end of story.

>>386631032
>>b-but why should I care I just want to play gaems xD
>not an argument
It is, until you explain how all of this affect the avarge gamer who only want to buy and play vidya?

>>386636136
Steam support doesn't give a shit about tech issues, they don't communicate with the devs and don't have time to troubleshoot anything. They'll look into account stuff but otherwise you'll get a template response like your pic.

>>386636309
the game specifically bypass the authentication
DRM is enabled by default

>>386636359
it was related to steam though
see the error>>386635325
I dont think steam API has anything to do with square enix

>>386636309
>super crate box
oh shit anon you're bringing out memories

>>386636365
No it isn't, you stupid fuck. It's ubiquitous because it's easy to add, but Valve isn't able to magically inject DRM into a dev's source files. Do you think before you post?

>>386636365
I can uninstall the steam and launch the game. I can copy the game's files downloaded from steam to another computer with no steam installed and launch the game. With exe being cahnged there are no other files in game that can hold the authentication data. The game is 100% DRM free. Steam allows you to download this 100% DRM free game. This is not an exception to the rule, this is how the system works. Steam is not DRM, Steamworks is DRM.

LMAO you guys are still replying to this guy? Seriously?

>>386636423
I meant ANY devs. The outsourced dude sitting at a tiny desk trying to clear out his tickets as fast as possible doesn't have the ability or time to contact anyone on the Steam dev team.

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I'm too lazy to read the thread, is OP retarded or banned or something?
I'm just gonna assume it's one of those because these threads usually end up that way.
I may or may not drop back in to check replies, any answers are appreciated though.

>>386636454
Given the fact 99% of steam games inject encryption to your.exe the client it is a DRM indeed because you can't download from any other source

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>>386636529
and this excuses them how?
it's kinda shitty considering that it was due to their DRM and not my machine. in fact if the exe was clean it'd launch with no problems

I never bought a single game until I started using steam, now I have the 11 year badge

OP here
you idiots don't realize I'm not against you buying your shit DRM games
I'm just saying you should stop spreading lies about muh offline/drm friendly games because 99% of the time the client acts like a DRM

>>386636606
He's retarded. tl;dr he thinks it's bullshit that you can't run a game without authenticating at least once, i.e. he expects that all devs should release their games without any sort of protection. I think he's realized that's a shitty argument so now he's trying to save face by lying ("you can't play games offline ever!") but it's not working.

>>386636721
your retarded arguments have been beaten time and time again, and yet you continue. fuck off.

>>386636645
>at
what game was it

>>386631390
Bitch please, run any binary from your library of downloaded games and it's going to simultaneously launch STEAM in the background.

>>386636745
What argument? that steam offer a few DRM free games? yeah even so odds are the "DRM free'' is simply bundled with a unique signature

>>386631032
>when your platform is so shitty that not even free games help you and you need to shit on rivals

At least try harder EA-boy.

>>386631413
>I don't even play games on PC

>>386636662
I don't know what the problem is so I don't know who to blame, might be something fucked with your Nier files that's causing it to not work with the Steam API correctly. Either way Steam support isn't equipped to handle it; it would be like calling Sony because a game crashed on your PS4. The support team won't know the cause, they won't be able to contact the PS4 dev team, and they won't be able to contact the game devs either. At this point you're coming off as an entitled little shit though. If you ever get a customer-facing job you'll realize you're a dipshit.

>>386636973
>Either way Steam support isn't equipped to handle it
They don't even have a support team. Valve is cancer and Gaben is the man responsible for destroying video games

>>386636973
>I don't know what the problem is
you could follow the reply chain and find out in a few clicks, files were validated anyway and I made it work downloading the crack only.
>it would be like calling Sony because a game crashed on your PS4
which is their responsability considering it has to pass SONY QA, you cant publish anything on consoles without MS/SONY/NINTENDO approval and (shitty) QA

>>386631242
False as fuck In Navy currently went on multiple times out to see for 3 to 4 months at a time no internet no issues on laptop.

>>386637079
You're joking but I used to work for a company that Steam outsourced support to. They were hell to work with apparently. More concerned with getting through tickets quickly than solving problems since the backlog was so large. Also a lot of the tickets were Russian kids trying to scam their way into accounts, and there's only so much of that you can take I guess.

>>386637147
>which is their responsability
Nah it really isn't. Grow up, kid.

How many years has PC gaming been "dying" for now? Is it 20 or nearly 30 now?

>>386633104
He already admitted to being a console kiddie see >>386631413

>>386637183
>More concerned with getting through tickets quickly than solving problems since the backlog was so large
That's because solving problems is the job of the Steam developers, not the support monkeys

>>386637572
I only play old games and DRM free GOG
fuck off scum

>>386637631
>I don't even play games on PC

>>386637631
But GOG is DRM because you can only download their games from gog.com. So you're a hypocrite and a retard wow good job.

OP real question, are you a toddler or just retarded?

>>386631032
who gives a shit ?

you seem quite mad

>that destruction of OP
You did well today anon

>>386637537
PC gaming has been dying since the NES came out, PCs on a whole have been dying since the palm pilot

>>386637784
:)

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>>386631032
>you can't modify the files
yes you can
>The binary files in your computer are only using your CPU/GPU as a parasite to connect to steam servers otherwise they are worthless
this makes no sense, and also, you can play in offline mode
>offline it's still illegal
lol wtf are you stupid kiddo ?
>You agreed to purchase the license to authenticate a game online, you don't purchase the game itself
wellcome to Steam, Sherlock
>Valve DRM client called Steam allow third party DRM to connect o to third party servers without your consent
top kek, in the market page of every game you can see if a 3th party drm is necessary or not. You can allways buy on Ubistore or Rockstar store, nobody give a shit.

>I tried to run the game without the crack and it doesn't work.
are you dumb ?

>Steam is a fucking scam even their ''offline'' games are bundled with DRM encryption
>Even Steam games that run offline need a fucking crack to decrypt the file.

yes, you are dumb

>>386631032
>Steam client is DRM confirmed
That's good. I don't want games to be played the vidya equivalent of niggers.

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>>386638171
>you can play in offline mode
only after you authenticate the files using valve servers

>>386638253
You really should buy games to support developers you like. You should also buy music to support musicians you like.

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>>386638253
>you need to use internet for using internet

even when you buy a PC that needs steam, it says in the back of the cover

Minimum Requirements:
>Internet connection for Steam activation

If you are poor, there are planty of others hobbies less damanding than videogames anons.

>>386638253
your point?

>>386638253
are you telling me I have to use some kind of download platform to download my digital games? THANK YOU JEWS

>>386636721
Moving the goalpost already? I thought you'd put up a longer fight than that.
Incase you don't understand you went from steam is drm to steam is drm sometimes

>>386638628
>already?
it's been literally hours dude.

let him move his goalposts.

>>386638392
thanks doc

>>386637147
Did you think to contact the game's support channels?

>>386631032
It's not like the DRM is breaking the game.
>can't modify the files
What are you talking about?
>Workshop
There are loads of modified files there.
If you want to mod a game that isn't workshop friendly, THEN DON'T BUY IT ON STEAM. It's very simple really.


DRM is a problem when it eats up all your resources or keeps you from playing the game.

Get more RAM. Get over it.

>>386638392
>>386638437
>>386638590
>>386638628
steam users are the cancer of video games

>>386639090
>ignoring all the posts that btfo your pathetic arguments

lmao epic dude

>>386639090
I'll remember how cancerous I am while playing my Steam backlog of 500+ games and laughing at you consolefags obsessing over playing whatever open world bullshit agme you pre-ordered cause you were so starved for games

>>386632075
WE WUZ SHLOMOS AND SHIET YOUR RAYCISS-ASS CRACKA GOY MOFO

REMEMBA DA SIX NIGRILLION BEYOTCH

>>386639298
>500+ games
all garbage, the only good game that is better on pc than on PS4 is Dark Souls 3

>>386631032
>He doesn't know that even physical versions are still restricted to a license, meaning that you still don't """own""" the game.

>>386639427
how's the entire sim genre on PS4? good?

>>386631729
>The point of this thread is to show to steam shills that they lie everytime they say Steam client is not DRM
Literally no one says this. This is like if I started a thread to counter console babies who say consoles outperform PCs graphically. Pointless thread.

>>386631032
Not only are you wrong in general, you are wrong with specificity.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

>>386639671
why do you play garbage?

>>386639812
a bunch of shovelware facebook tier games

>>386639864
why do you play a single game for 2 months until the next big release comes along?

>>386639917
Aren't your arms getting tired from moving all those goalposts

>>386631032
>Games are stored in your computer but you can't modify the files
But that is wrong, I mod games all the time. Shit I have dragon's dogma installed right now with into free restored as the main menu ost.

>restate a bunch of shit that /v/'s known about for years
>somehow groundbreaking
>nu-niggers will think this is some ebin redbillin :DDD
Propel yourself into the void of outer space, fagnigger.

>>386640006
it's a fact only shovelware has real DRM-free on steam
Enjoy giving your money and your library to gaben you asshole

>>386631729
>if you have a .exe provided by steam
you buy a game from a provider... who do you want to give you the binary? mother theresa?
also, it is not encrypted in the slightest
do you even Steam, my lad?

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>>386635184
That's wrong you dumb nigger
A few years ago when I moved house I didn't have internet for a month straight yet offline mode worked fine.

>>386640140
>it's a fact only shovelware has real DRM-free on steam
Well yeah, if the game is worth a damn it's going to be protected so children like you can't just pass it around on a thumb drive. It's also a fact that Steam itself doesn't require or inject DRM as you initially stated, cocksucker.

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Hey OP, just so you know, shitposting aka bait aka trolling is meant to be low effort comments that generate huge numbers of replies. It's not really "trolling" if you're wasting just as much if not more of your own time as everyone elses.

The best quality bait is when you can spend 30 seconds making a thread, go jack off for two hours and come back to 400 replies. If you have to babysit your own thread you're not really trolling, you're just being retarded on purpose for no reason.

>>386631557
This
and all the faggots are ignoring this post.
you can edit all the inis of games which are made in unreal, and it's not illigal of it was there wouldn't be threads on guilty gear and sfV ini editing to help toasters to play those games. I think I have even seen a dev in sfv thread on steam helping people to edit inis to maximize performance.
And games like dustforce don't even require you to open steam.
Its upto dev to if he want to implement steamworks or not

>>386640425
>It's also a fact that Steam itself doesn't require or inject DRM as you initially stated
Not 100% of the time but they do
And that's even worse in games that have both SP and MP because the SP can't be loaded without online checks

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>>386631032
>Greentext question concerning the actual point of all of this
>State that the question is not an argument in order to avoid answering the question
/pol/ was a mistake.

>>386640583
>DUDE I don't mind
>question
Bye neogaf

>>386640531
>Not 100% of the time but they do
No it doesn't you thick motherfucker, it's opt-in.

PS4Pro + Linux for internet + windows 7 for pirate = masterrace

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Ending the thread here

>>386640650
>Why should I care?
>Not a question
Hello /pol/.

>>386639090
at least i don't have to pay additionally if i want to play any of my shit online, despite already paying for my internet in the first place. get aids.

>>386640763
>look I posted again
you are the retard that went to the other thread to download this webm or you completely ignored the game don't run without your specific .exe

>>386640875
>DUDE I AM SUPERIOR MASTER RACE BECAUSE I CAN PLAY MEMEWATCH AND DOTA 2 ONLINE WITH MY FRIENDS
fuck off scum
Enjoy your shit Gaben's service and send him another birthday card

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>>386631032
>not an argument
Then neither is your whole post. Shoot yourself, you goddamn idiot.

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>>386640763
Ending you here

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>>386640929
>this thing that literally proves me wrong doesn't because I say so.

Calling me stupid doesn't stop this webm from BTFO'ing you.

>>386639812
If you need a list of games that don't use Steam DRM, it means Steam is DRM.

>>386640984
enjoy giving your money off to sony and microsoft so you can play halo 59 and rebuy the 31st ps1 remaster title because you don't get any new shit that's actually worth a flying fuck.

>>386640984
Why so pissy? It's just video games

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>>386641017
>a screenshot of an image that could easily be doctored is somehow better proof than actual recorded evidence of something happening.

>>386641083
For the umpteenth time, the Steam Client itself is not DRM, steamworks is. The fact that a majority of developers use steamworks doesn't change that.

>>386641209
>Actually denying the existence of Steam DRM on the internet.

Go ahead. Put your HL2 DVD into your drive and try to install or play it without Steam.
Oh wait. You are way too young to own non digital games.

>>386641083
If there's a list of games on Steam that don't have DRM, it means Steam isn't inherently DRM

>>386639864
>anything you mention is garbage
excellent argument my man, truly an apex in human debating. get aids.

It is like OP can't understand what SteamGuard is

>>386641337
I have plenty of digital PC games. Not sure what that or my age have to do with the webm I posted.

>>386631032
>Steam client is DRM confirmed
Welcome to 2004 retard.

>>386641179
because you retards keep arguing that steam is not drm just to make you feel better about buying garbage

>>386641316
Steam had DRM built into it since 2004.
Steamworks didn't exist before 2008.

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>>386640929
>the game don't run without your specific .exe
SHUT

THE

FUCK

UP

>>386641494
>anything you say is garbage
once again, excellent argument my man.

ITT people who have no idea what Steam and Steamworks are or what they have to do with each other

Not gonna read an entire thread from autists. But Steam in itself is a store that offers developers a way to DRM their games with a "feature" called Steamworks. On top of that developers add 3rd party DRM. Why you retards pay for these overpriced fames with these drms is beyond me.

>>386641503
1) where did you get that .rar?
2) isn't this one of those few selected titles that don't have steamapi.dll?

>>386631363
>going on 9gag

>>386641017
This is only evidence that Deus Ex: Human Revolution uses steamworks as drm. This is not evidence that steam is drm. Multiple posts ITT show steam games being run without using steam. Therefore steam itself is not drm, steamworks is.

>>386641347
The only reason Valve crated Steam is to DRM their own games.
It's purpose is being DRM. Therefore it is inherently DRM.

>>386641635
steamworks is an API you tech illiterate fuckwit.
It gives 3rd parties access to the Steam DRM that has been INHERENT IN ITS DESIGN SINCE ITS FIRST RELEASE

The one thing I don't understand is why would someone make such a thread? Is this really an issue to someone? Neither piratecucks nor buyfags give a fuck, which is evident since Steam is the single absolutely most popular distribution platform out there, so WHO makes these threads?

>>386641635
>Multiple posts ITT show steam games being run without using steam
That's false. Download a game from piratebay that is steam exclusive (like Trails in the sky the 3rd) right now you can't run the game unless you have authenticated .exe file provided by SteamPowered™

>>386641682
Valve made Steam to sell their games.

>>386641750
I LITERALLY JUST DID THAT YOU MONG

LOOK >>386641535

>>386641682
The first part is correct, the last isnt, because developers have the option to not implement Steamworks. But we know most of them do.

>>386641745
>Why would you want to own your games anyway

>>386631032
>tfw never once used steam
still feels wrong cause windows...
>2) The binary files in your computer are only using your CPU/GPU as a parasite to connect to steam servers otherwise they are worthless
arn't those binaries also stealing -your- bandwith? or do you only count companies cause your obviously a shill?

>3) Even if you modify the files offline it's still illegal
this applies to pretty much every compiled thing ever but no one gives a fuck. what is hacking. what is a hex editor.

>>386641745
Some buttburt console warrior or EA shill
Sage and move on

>>386641745
>Is this really an issue to someone?
Always online combined or not with third party authentication is the cancer destroying video games
It's the reason why we have so much online garbage like For Honor, Overwatch, Dota 2, etc

>>386641682
Except it's not, as proven multiple times ITT. Valve offers DRM features to devs who can opt-in, and devs can use their own DRM, but on its own Steam doesn't magically apply DRM to shit. I don't know how many other ways this can be said to get through to you dumb fucks.

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It's a good thing I've never used a computer without internet access since 2000.

You might as well be worrying about "what if we get hit by an EMP strike and no electronics work" with this kind of logic

>>386641824
>implying consolefags actually own anything
nobody owns jack shit moron.

>>386641824
You don't own any games you buy, regardless of where you buy them.

>>386641824
>no steamworks mean I own the game
t. hits "accept" on installer EULAs

>>386641864
>its own Steam doesn't magically apply DRM to shit
the definition of DRM is restricting and Steam is a client to offer third party restriction

Your argument therefore is: INVALID

>>386641857
>is the cancer destroying video games
Nice opinion, too bad pretty much the entire PC gamer install base disagrees with you. Always online is something I don't even think about, because it has exactly ZERO meaning or consequence to me, since I don't live in Africa or some other shithole where internet problems are a thing.

>>386641745
I pirate because of Steam, and it's because of you fantards masturbacion to a fat man and and a game that they got so big.

>>386635773
She doesnt. The game is running without having steam installed.

>>386641846
ffs i pressed cancel post, your fuckin servers are busted moot.

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>>386641979
>he believes online gaming and social thing done by pc gamers is good
DIE SCUM

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>>386641857
>DRM is the reason people play multiplayer games

>>386641949
it is not E N F O R C E D upon you in A N Y W A Y. it is up to the D E V S if they want the O P T I O N A L drm featuers you illiterate fuck.

>>386641949
>Steam is a client to offer third party restriction
I want you to say aloud the words you just wrote. Steam is a client to offer third party restriction. Steam is the client that offers third party restriction. Steam is not the third party restriction although the steam client offers third party restriction. Do you see the delineation here? Are you capable of critical thought?

>>386641889
>>386641937
Nobody can legally take your Half Life 1 disc or the right to install and play it away from you.

Valve can remove any digitally bought game from your library at will because they reserved themselves the right to do so and there are no legal protections on digitally bought ("subscribed to") games.

>>386634814
>>386634745
>>386634834
>>386634842
>>386634872
You have to be online to go in offline mode if you don't set steam to remember your password. So he's actually right and you're wrong.

>>386641824
Are you the copyright holder?
Is the game in the public domain?
If the answer to both of these questions is no, you do not own the game, even if you have a legally obtained copy of the source code.

>>386641949
>the definition of DRM is restricting
So consoles are physical means of DRM?

>>386641857
Steam has offline mode fucktard
>b-but you need to log in once
No shit. How would you even be able to buy games?

>>386642059
>someone using funny niggerface is cancer killing video games
don't be so underage, /pol/-senpai

>>386642095
>Nobody can legally take your Half Life 1 disc or the right to install and play it away from you.
read the eula

>>386642083
The only reason steam exist is to offer
1) Tracking to the publisher for feedback
2) third party DRM
3) Steam authentication (DRM)

DIE SCUM
>>386642093
Critical though?
Steam client allows all kinds of DRMs, it's a DRM application. Period

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>>386642169
>ironic redditors are not destroying video games
yes they are

>>386642105
Yes, as stated multiple times ITT you need to sign in once to authenticate, which to most people should be obvious.

>>386642191
keep telling that to yourself when you go to sleep, and don't forget to pay sony and microsoft for your right to use your internet you already paid for.

>>386642187
unless you live in China you permanently own the right to use any software you bought on a physical medium. Nobody can take that right away from you even if the EULA says something else.

Games you bought on Steam are not protected by this because it's a digital service, not a physical good.

>>386642267
well, when is the almighty /pol/ gonna save them? huh?

>>386642275
you don't have to sign in once. You have to sign in every time you want to install a game, even one you have a local backup of.

inb4 "!but some Steam games don't use DRM"

>>386642297
Wrong, you even have the right to 28 day return from steam using the law

>>386642095
>>386642297
Valve has the right to render your CD key invalid and thus prevent you from playing HL1.
They even did this with CD keys that were distributed with pirated copies so that you couldn't play online.
Read >>386642110, unless you made the game yourself you don't own jack shit.

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Things steam is responsible for:

1) early access
2) early access DLC
3) infinite cash bait (Star Citizen)
4) facebook 2.0 (steam community)
5) cam whores in exchange of gifts (see pic)

>>386642297
>unless you live in China
or USA and many other countries

>>386642368
>MUH /pol/ is being meeeeeeaaaaaaaan

EVERY FUCKING TIME
not even once you filthy reddit scum

>>386642191
Or maybe provide an easy to use platform to play and purchase games
>/v/ is literally to underage to remember DRM like starfoce and securom
Publishers are always going to use DRM, Steam is the lesser evil

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>>386631032
This has to be one of the most booty blasted autistic OPs I've seen here is a long time

>>386642267
t. failing jealous youtuber

>>386642095
>Valve can remove any digitally bought game from your library at will because they reserved themselves the right to do so and there are no legal protections on digitally bought ("subscribed to") games.
You are retarded. Please look into consumer protection laws and e-goods. I don't know how they work in your shithole of a country, but in EU every time you buy something online, you form a contract, regardless of whether something is signed or not. One-sided cancellation of a contract is something that is against the law and the beauty of EU consumer protection laws is that you don't actually need to sue anyone to get back at the seller, you just need to inform the consumer protection agency of a violation and they'll do everything themselves.

>11. One-sided changes to the product or service
>Terms which allow a trader to make changes to the product or service to be provided unilaterally and without a valid reason.

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-contract-terms/index_en.htm

Also, the law itself states that the provider o services has no right to limit the buyer's rights to legal actions, so anything you sign in the EULA is literally irrelevant, if it somehow does not comply with the law.

>>386642449
>Steam is the lesser evil
This is what 16 year old americans believe

>>386642445
>mean
*angry and retarded

>>386642373
they don't have the right and even if they did, they can't prevent you from installing and playing Half Life 1 offline or in LAN.

Half Life 2 however was the first single player PC game to have online DRM. Without an active connection to Valve servers you can not install it.
>>386642392
wrong

>>386642370
As in, you have a copy of a game that you purchased on Steam, that for some reason isn't already in your Steam folder, and you want to move it into your Steam folder and play it without ever going online? Is that the scenario you're presenting?

>>386631032
This shit was obvious when steam first came out
>Be 14 year old or whatever when Steam first released
>By this point had gotten tired of Quake was playing a lot of Team Fortress Classic and other Valve games
>Had dial up but was still able to play on local servers without and lag issues
>One day Steam comes out
>Steam is a massive bloated pile of shit
>Download will take days to finish
>For those you don't know phones cannot be used while a dial up connection is active and people refused to use cellphones all the time back then
>Can't play several games online anymore
>Had to wait a year to get broadband in my area
Fuck steam and fuck the retards here who worship Gabe & Valve

>>386642501
>sign in the EULA is literally irrelevant
not in United States where they can terminate the contract and cease your licensing anytime they want

>>386642501
it's not a digital good. It's a digital service. Very different.

>>386642506
What would your solution be? No protection at all?

>>386642445
>calling someone reddit while using reddit spacing
go back. when did you discover 4chan? before or after the primaries?
also, your answer was in no way an answer to the question. why hasn't /pol/ saved vidya, and when is it going to?

>>386642506
>immediately jumps to ad hominen instead of trying to counter my points
It's easy to discern who's underage here buddy

ITT: reddit pc gamers BTFO

MUH GABEN IS THE LESSER EVIL
MUH 500 GAME LIBRARY
MUH 3000000 HOURS IN CS:GO

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>>386642530
yes

>>386642524
>wrong
uh huh
*revokes your CD key*

>>386642610
>>386642625
16 year old triggered that they fell for the Gaben is our Lord meme

>>386642580
>it's not a digital good. It's a digital service. Very different.
The same law covers both.

>>386642680
No, that was a legitimate question. What's your solution if one-time authentication is apparently too much for you?

>>386642619
> why hasn't /pol/ saved vidya, and when is it going to?
those people went to double chan during the cuckening, no one is going to help.

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>>386642664
but valve offers steam to improve your gaming experience!