Mario&Luigi: Sticker Star Saga redpill thread

>>386607715
It's a bit sad how they're changing the art style to the modern look a bit, but I think it still looks pretty fine
I never finished the original, so this is how im gonna play through it

>NSMB Koopas
>SMB3 Dry Bones

Oversight of the century

>>386607715
What do you mean casualized? We don't really know much about the gameplay changes at this point. We do know that tutorials have been shoved aside into an optional book like in Paper Jam, and that's kind of the opposite of casual.

My only problem is they aren't really expanding on the original any, it's just a fresh coat of paint, everything else is the same except for a sidegame I really couldn't care much less about. And unless they expand on the main game in some way I don't really have any reason to play it, I still have my original cart.

>>386608330
here's a list of the changes made. A lot of them will make the game easier
https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_%26_Luigi:_Superstar_Saga_%2B_Bowser%27s_Minions#List_of_changes

>>386607715
>That scaling on the image
>That interlacing on the GBA game
wtf

>>386607715
>Discuss the concerns of this casualized remake here.
"Concerns" implies interest. This just looks like pure shit. Visually worse than the original fucking game and bound to be bloated with tons of extra tutorializing. Only a complete idiot or a mindless Nintendo drone would buy this.

>>386607715
Why did they get rid of the blue

>>386609883
#truth
Ignore shills people. The /v/ consensus is that this game is fucking shit and for drones only.

>>386609584
And here's more proof of how this remake is basically NSMB tier casual shit. Fact.

>>386609974
Because neotendo hate uniqueness and all their old games.

>>386609584
Hmm, which ones do you take offense to? I'm not seeing a lot that can be described as casualization, mostly just updating the various systems with the modern conveniences the series has accumulated. The original game was already pretty simple and easy to break, all it would take is better balancing to produce a much more challenging game in line with the more recent entries.

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Personally, I am just wanting the new Fawful content. Does that have wrongness?

>>386610203
It'll be interesting to see the new model they use for him

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>>386609883
>tons of extra tutorializing

Nice try.

have they said anything about bowsers minions?

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>>386610591
FUUUUUUCK YEAH THEY FIXED DREAM TEAM'S BIGGEST FLAW

AGAINST ALL ODDS, NINTENDO'S LEARNING

>>386610203
Rejoice, Fawful has new lines in Bowser's Minions.

>>386607715
Everything besides the trees and some enemies look better imo

>>386610853
They fixed it back in Paper Jam. Alpha Dream's not perfect, but they know how to keep their series on the rails while moving forward at least.

Why on earth would you remake a game just to make it look worse?

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>>386609883
>>386610094
>>386611084
Alright. i'll bite.

In what fucking universe, does THIS look better than
>>386610591

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>>386611215
and this?

Y'all need to let go of the nostalgia

>>386610894
I know, that's what I meant, It was in the trailer. I'd answer imitating Fawful but I'm just too tired.

>>386611076
Really? Wow. I should give that game a chance then. I'm very dissappointed there's literally 0 original designs in the game but the more I look into it, the more okay It seems. I'll look for a decently priced used copy.

>>386611281
I have to admit it does look prettier but I wish some things were a little more cartoony and stylized.

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>>386610094
>#truth

>>386611215
Wow I forgot how terrible Bowser looked in the original

>>386611215
>>386611281
It looks better, but it loses a lot of it's style

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>>386610094
>#truth

>>386611390
The gameplay in Paper Jam is, in my opinion, the most complex and challenging in the series, and the writing is as good as ever, but the story is literally "Bowza kidnap da princess x2" and every locale and character originates from mainline. Your enjoyment will probably depend on what you value more.

>>386611668
I guess the imperfections lead to a sort of quirky charm but Bowser looks dramatically better in every way.

>>386611817
Actually, I like the sound of that. Yeah, I could forgive the tired premise if it's fun and flashy (let alone challenging), and I've seen how some Paper enemies are used by others as weapons (Ninjis), so at least there's a creativity layer I hadn't anticipated. The only thing I really ask is for it to be amusing at some level, so unless it's Sticker Star levels of dry I'll be happy with the "plot".

>>386611281
I like my pastels, okay?

>>386610094
Reminder that this guy's been shitposting in Nintendo threads all night. He was spewing bile in the Metroid thread.

>>386611281
>Dawn to Night

RUINED

>>386611281
Why did they make the floor all crystallized? Looks cluttered.

>>386607715
I just wanted them to have outlines

>>386611281
It would look even better with outlines

>>386613023
It's not dawn, it's more of an illuminated night, makes it look like a war field. The new one is prettier, but looks like Shooting Star Summit.

>>386607715
>muh redpill
Go back to your subredit.

>>386609584
The only things on here that actually make the game easier is Emergency Guard (which is optional), Heart Blocks (which were already in the Japanese version of the original, and you can just skip hitting if you really want to), and the 5 extra seconds in Hoohooros' minigame.

Sounds like a lot of overreacting bullshit.

>>386616436
How did you even fully heal in the original without inns or heart blocks? I just thought of that.

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Is my wife in it?

>>386609584

>The improvements from Paper Jam

>casualized

You fuckers don't deserve this remake

I want to go back to them making new games while your still sucking SSS's dick no matter what they do

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>>386611281
This is why I've mostly tried to stop letting 2015-2017 /v/ influence my opinion.

I had let them write this game off for me because they "fucked up the artstyle" but this looks amazing. Is this really from the remake?

>>386616783
Had to spam mushrooms

>>386616905
Hopefully not

>>386617035
It is, indeed.

>>386617173
Well hell yeah.

If I were to play a Mario and Luigi 3DS RPG while I wait for this game what would be the best one? Are the 3DS ones good?

>>386617241
Dream Team is good but bogged down by tutorials even in the later half of the game.
Haven't played Paper Jam yet.

>>386617241
Dream Team is great, but sometimes it slows down because of tutorials. The game even repeats tutorials a few times, but in the latest version you can say "no" to most of them.

Paper Jam is a great game with great gameplay and almost no hand holding, as every tutorial is readily available for you without forcing you to read them. The plot is nothing to write home about and the locations are shit you'd epect from any Mario game, but it's still a really good game.

Both games have "challenges" that'll reward you the more you complete. Stuff like "dodge 10 attacks in a row" or "perform 5 excellent attacks in a row".

>>386617241
I haven't played Dream Team, but it's pretty tutorial-heavy and takes after BIS in a few ways.
Paper Jam has some general improvements but is bogged down by padding (much more minigames than any other Mario & Luigi) and some consider the focus on the core Mario series cast to be a drawback though others argue the writing for them is strong enough to offset that.
I'd probably say play Dream Team first.

>>386617241

Dream Team is the best game in the series next to SSS, it has extremely high quality care made into it

People will tell you there's too many tutorials but no shit, you learn of a lot of new moves

>>386617431
>>386617529
I think I'm gonna go with Paper Jam. Tutorial heavy through half the game sounds like enough to make me drop it.

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>>386609584
I wish I could burn down all the people that complain about these sorts of things. Oh no, modern conveniences added by the sequels! Fuck you Nintendo for making this game appeal to modern audiences instead of keeping all of the gameplay exactly the same for a remake!

Kindly fuck right off. It's one thing to complain about the graphics, that's an understandable case of subjectivity, but "casualizin' muh nintendo games" is just pure retardation.

>>386618025
I agree, it's funny to think that people are getting angry at Nintendo games being casualized when, for a long while now, they have been making casual games. I just think the people who are looking at those new changes are just upset that they didn't get a remaster instead of a remake. Probably the same people who want Melee HD to exist.

Because SSS wasn't already the most disgustingly easy game in the series anyways, right? Advance Bros Attacks broke bosses in half. Hell, even just the 2 very first Bros Attacks shit damage.

>>386618278
Funny how OP doesn't mention the change that Advance moves are now separate and cost more BP, which is actually a change that makes the game harder.

>>386618360
It's done to encourage players to not use Advance moves, because obviously they are "too hard'"

>>386618520
I hope you're being sarcastic

They also added the ability to skip cutscenes because obviously sitting through the entire cutscene is just too hard for the ADD ridden children of today

>>386618690
The option to skip the fluff and get right to the gameplay should be mandatory for every game, do you have brain damage?

>>386618874
do you have ADD?

>>386618921
good response. Care to try again or are you just going to continue your tantrum?

>>386618690
I don't see how that's a bad thing, you're not forced to skip them

What would you guys do to fix Starlow?

>>386618874
>>386619081
You're being baited hard. It's disgustingly obvious that this thread was started to manufacture fake controversy but turned into a legit discussion against the shitposters' wishes and now they're trying to turn it back by.

>>386619050
>>386619081
ADD

>>386619171
Option to shove your cock in her mouth to make her stop speaking

>>386619185
I joined late. This is looking on par with the original, probably going to be better in some places, worse in others. What do you think it'd take in sales for Nintendo to actually consider that maybe killing off Mario RPGs is a bad idea?

>>386619219
Seconding this

>>386619405
I don't think RPGs are in danger of being killed off any more than the other Mario spinoffs. Paper Mario just got the short end of the stick because of a perceived redundancy on their end and now M&L is THE Mario RPG.

>>386609584
>The NPC Koopa Troopas from the Koopa Cruiser no longer wear flight uniforms.
>The Toads in Peach's Castle are now regular Toads with differently coloured spots and vests rather than differing in height and clothing.
This bothers me

Why does the M&L series get treated so well while Paper Mario has been dragged through the mud for no reason?

>>386620995
Alpha Dream doesn't really have anything else other than M&L.

Intelligent Systems has Fire Emblem as their cash cow so they don't really care about Paper Mario anymore.

>>386609584
>Advanced Bros. Attacks are now separately selected and cost more Bros. Points to use.
What's even the point.

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>>386620749
I wonder who could be behind this

>>386621401
Makes them a bit costlier to use so they're not just free upgrades to the originals.

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>>386609584
>The Toads in Peach's Castle are now regular Toads with differently coloured spots and vests rather than differing in height and clothing.

>>386621497
i like being rewarded for my skill

>>386620995
Tanabe, the ultimate Miyamoto Asskisser happened.
Aside from that, I think quite a number of members of IS who did previous Paper Marios weren't around at all.

>>386618360
Didn't advance moves always cost more BP, but you selected them from the same screen? How does this change make anything easier or harder? Isn't it a lateral move?

>>386620995
Fire Emblem got popular. Or did you forget when they announced four games in one direct?

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>>386621452
>>386621585
Guys, I'm worried about Little Fungi Town.
What if they make all the Toads generic?

>>386621882
haha, neotendo is ridiculous.
What is so bad about having unique toads anyway?

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>>386621882
jesus fuck please no

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>>386621882
I'LL SHIT A FUCKING BRICK IF THEY TOUCH PSYCHO KAMEK.

>>386621993
>psycho kamek gets replaced with a toad
i will fucking laugh myself to death

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>>386610094
>#truth

>>386621987
There's literally no reason why they should look like carbon copies of each other. They're supposed to be the people of Mario's world, not clones. People aren't clones. Earlier Mario games embraced this by having Toads of different stature with different appearances and even hairstyles. It's fucking boring to have them all be carbon copies of each other.

>>386621987
>What is so bad about having unique toads anyway?
It's not as marketable I would imagine. Would you rather buy a blue toad amiibo or a slightly taller red toad amiibo?

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I wonder if Piranha Bean will become Petey? They were pretty much the same guy.

Posted in wrong thread by accident

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We might as well say good bye to all of these toads.

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>>386622371
Rip fat sunglasses toad. I'll miss you the most.

>>386607715

desu the first game was impossible without savestates, I don't mind if they casualize it

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RIP unique enemies

what are the chances of Geno getting removed from the minigame due to legal reasons?

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>>386622582
>implying he won't be replaced with Starlow even though Square Enix will be completely fine with him making a returning cameo

>>386622582
What changed between 2002 Nintendo and Enix vs. 2017 Nintendo and Enix?

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>>386622640
NO

>>386609584

>Mario & Luigi's positions can no longer be switched manually. Instead, they will switch automatically when selecting a move.
REEEEEEEE
>The Emergency Guard from Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam is added.
It isn't really casual, since its shittier than just dodging/countering, but I guess some shitters might rely on it?
>Mario and Luigi will now jump twice on an enemy if a solo jump's action command is entered correctly, just like in previous installments since Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story.
Assuming the damage is the same, what's the difference?
>Heart Blocks are present in every version of the game unlike in the original, where only the Japanese version featured them.
Okay, I can see this. Just don't use them?
>The time limit to collect ten Hoohoo Spirits in Hoohooros's minigame has increased from 30 seconds to 35.
I can see this, but I forget if this was ever actually hard.
Really, I'm not seeing it, man.

I'm more worried about the redesigning and stripping of generic's personalities than anything else.

>>386621987
It's probably just pure ego. Like Lucas walking into studios developing Star Wars games back in the day and changing designs becuse he felt ownership over every aspect of the franchise.

>>386622582
Geno got recognized in Smash 4 so probably unlikely

>>386622668
Nothing. Enix is just a bit...weird. Sometimes they're okay with cameos and stuff like the Geno mii costume, but other times they're not, like Geno being in Smash

>>386622715
>I can see this, but I forget if this was ever actually hard.
I believe it was actually impossible if the ball spawned on opposite sides every time.

>al this muh casualized bullshit
The original was already easy as shit, only the final boss was somewhat challenging, and mostly the first turn only once you learned the patterns

>>386622371
I had forgotten how ugly Toads were in SSS.

>>386620995
Fire Emblem Awakening/Smash Bros Melee, and Miyamoto.
Intelligent Systems literally had nothing better to do when they did PM, and barely did for TTYD. Then, suddenly, people gave a shit about Fire Emblem, so Intelligence Systems had something better to do.
This left Paper Mario entirely of the hands of Nintendo proper, who legitimately has real, non-meme grade autism, and can't have two franchises doing the same thing. Thus, Mario&Luigi was saved, while Paper Mario was set to be redesigned into something completely different, or else killed off outright, and which outcome didn't really matter anymore.

Thus, we learn that it was all Sakurai's fault all along. If he had stuck to his guns and cut Marth and Roy from Melee's localization as he had intended, we would still have Paper Mario. Fire Emblem would never have started down its dark path. We wouldn't be dealing with Bowser returning to being a boring, flat villain, and the Toad clone apocalypse.

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>>386622371
Eh I liked how Paper Mario (64) handled Toads better.

They aren't identical but they all have the same basic body plan. aka manlets the race.

>>386611281
>>386611215
The new game looks better in some ways. But these two screenshots are a mess of information. The Brothers and other character bleed into the background. It's too messy.

>>386622371
Holy shit those things are disgusting. Thank you based god for updating this garbage.

>>386623326
You're right, the characters would look a lot better if they had a thick black outline like the original game to make them stand out from the background.

>>386623167
Marth and Roy only bought us a few localisations. It was Awakening that sold it's soul.

>>386607715
IT LOOKS FUCKING HIDEOUS, WTF NINTENDO??

OP why the fuck is the GBA screenie blurred?

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>>386623256
>tfw Paper Mario and TTYD get a HD remaster, because Nintendo hears people talking about TTYD like its their favorite game ever, and wants some $.
>All the toads become sameface red toads

>>386622804
Ahhh, man. Back when there was something about SW left to ruin.

Good thing D*sney reduced the whole franchise to utter trash so I don't have to worry about good games getting fucked over.

>>386623456
monkey paw.jpg

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>>386622852
>but other times they're not, like Geno being in Smash
They will never, ever put Geno in Smash. Stick to mods.

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>>386611668
IT HAS NO STYLE
IT HAS NO GRACE
THIS GAME HAS A FUNNY FACE

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>the outlines will never return
>luigi's socks will never return
>unique toads will never return
>starlow will never leave
What even is this series anymore?

>>386623665
The Meme & Green series has 2 good games (SS and BiS) and like 20 fucking garbage games, including this new bastardization of the original. Which is ironic, because Nintendo is also just a bastardization of what they once were.

>>386623938
Remember the good old days, when you were young and innocent, and Bowser's Inside Story hadn't yet become Bowser's Fetish Story?

>bowsers inside story is 8 years old
feels like just yesterday

>>386624063
It never was retard

>>386624063
I was old enough to know about the vore jokes, but I wish furries hadn't ruined the fat scene or the "prostate stimulation"

>>386616905
Can you imagine the shitstorm if they shoehorned her in?

>>386617529
Bowser's writing was a missed oppertunity-- he and his doppleganger were played purely for laughs. Jr. and Peach actually got some nice character exploration out of their doubles.

>>386624238
>Ruined
They didn't ruin shit, you're just associating other people's fetish to innocuous scenes.

>>386624191
jesusu christu, this whole decades felt like one long year

>>386623938
>BiS
>Bowser's in Story
BIS*
It's called "Bowser's Inside Story"

>>386624515
Bowser's inside Story is objectively the worst game.

>>386624645
That's a funny way to spell "Partners in Time"

>>386624678
>not dream team
I would honestly group PiT with BIS and SS as the only games worth playing. DT fucked everything up with its pacing and PJ is just boring

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>>386607715

>>386607715
The game never even needed a remake. The old one looks perfectly fine.

>>386624678
PIT is a great game! My wife's son loves it

>>386624774
PIT has the worst bosses in the series and got rid of bro moves. It's a slog to go through.

>>386624858
It also has the best premise and the highest quality writing in the series.

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>Be easiest game in the series by far
>Remake coming out after Paper Jam and Dream Team, AKA the two hardest games in the series by far
>"""Casualized""""

Out of all the arguments you could've made, you picked that.

>>386607715

>redpill
>>>/pol/

>>386623479
Nobody that isn't a complete retard actually wants Nintendo to remake any of their old games.

>>386610591
That looks fucking fantastic, they are insane to not put this on the Switch in HD. The first 3DS game that I really feel is done a major disservice being stuck on a small screen

>>386607715
i just want to say i think it's a cool touch that they are applying environmental lighting to the sprites, and that is exactly the kind of modern touches i wish were applied more often to help keep 2D games in development and age better.

>>386624991
>Paper Jam and Dream Team
>Hard

>defending the remake
>b-but bowser and the toads looked bad in the original
THEN JUST USE THE ONES FROM PIT AND BIS
STOP THIS FAKE 3D BULLSHIT AND GIVE ME THE CARTOONY ART STYLE BACK
>but anon it's not 3D, those are all handmade sprites
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK, THEY STILL LOOK 3D AND IT SUCKS
3D SHADING
3D LIGHTING, AND A FUCKTON OF IT
IT'S NOT BAD PER SE, BUT IT CLASHES WITH M&L'S ORIGINAL ART STYLE AND MOOD
Now dismiss my post with buzzowrds, since that's all you have.

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>>386620749
>"I felt like I became one with Toad!" [laughs]

>>386625871
... est in the series, yes. Is there a problem?

>>386625871
The Boss Arenas were fucking brutal. SSS was the only game in the series that was never hard although the final boss of PIT was ez and I don't know why people call it hard

I'm curious if the Mush Badges are gonna get nerfed, those beasts completely broke the game.

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>>386626073
You might as well post the full version of this with Color Splash included & better images shown off.

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>>386630245
usa loses yet again

>>386609584
>Mario & Luigi's positions can no longer be switched manually. Instead, they will switch automatically when selecting a move.
Does this mean the "ruin Luigi's chances of having kids" move is gone?

>>386627923
>although the final boss of PIT was ez and I don't know why people call it hard
It's not so much hard as it is incredibly frustrating and time consuming since it takes a literal hour to defeat.