Dead or Alive

People don't play this game for the gameplay.

>>386603216
We'll never really know if it would have worked or not. TN just realized the sexualization was more lucrative.

I want to sniff mila

>>386603272
This sadly. DOA5 is a legitimately fantastic and fun game, but the stigma against it was too much to get over so they just said "fuck it" and doubled down on the sex. Oatmeal Cookie was right after all.

Dunno, I first tried the series with Dimensions and fell in love with the weakness triangle pretty quickly. Baiting holds into grabs in particular is good fun.

It worked as a serious fighter. It was a great success in that department. But the game had been known as a titty fighter from the beginning. One good game isn't enough to shake a legacy of T&A. Eventually, they fell back on what the series was known for. At least they have a solid base game to put all their bullshit in this time around.

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>>386603540
Wonder if it would have worked if he'd left the bouncing boobs out of DOA1 and just left it as a Virtua-Fighter-esque answer to Tekken?

>>386603216
The people who play fighting games seriously are a pretty small audience, and up until recently with all of this eSports bullshit, catering to them didn't bring in the revenue.

It's far easier and more profitable to sell swimsuit DLC.

I'm happy enough getting my titty fighter.

>>386603873
It'd get the stigma of being a VF clone and probably be obscure not making it past 2 or 3.

It is pretty funny that 5 started off with the most American pandering characters ever and ended with the complete opposite.

Has any other game had such a drastic shift in target audience mid development?

>>386604002
>The people who play fighting games seriously are a pretty small audience
>He seriously thinks this

They're the people who buy every entry when it comes out. Every character when they come out. They literally support the game after the first 6 months of a fighting game's life.

>>386603216
>I'm a Fighter
>thin as a twig with barely any muscle tone on any part of her body

ok

>>386603216
Two reasons: 3D and Stages have objects in them.

>>386604186
DOA has a pitiful tournament presence though. The "serious" audience for DOA is small. Hell, that costume ban to try and actually make the game look legitimate was met with heavy pushback pretty much instantly.

>>386603540
How about the $1000 in dlc costumes the game is good but man they could have done a better job why not just charge full price and have everything it had no competition when it launched.

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>>386604279
Not that unprecedented.

DoA3 HD when

>>386604186
That makes up a miniscule fraction of the people buying the game. It's cool that they're supported, but the vast majority of people who bought DOA5 have no interest in the upcoming Summer Jam XI.

Casuals and whales are what make money, as Team Ninja found out. Paying out pot bonuses to support the tournament scene is basically charity.

>>386604536
What? The character DLC is a bit expensive, true, but the costumes are just that, costumes. And Ultimate and Last Round came with more than enough free costumes in game to just ignore the rest unless you really wanted something specific.

>>386604326
I don't think 3D is a big deterrent since Tekken 3 was the most popular fighting game ever unless you count SSBB.

But if we're talking about the actual game, I think the vast majority of fighting game fans just don't like the big mindgame focus because it can feel pretty random. Fundamentally, there are no safe moves and significant guaranteed damage is pretty hard to get unless you master environmental stuff. People like their combos and high execution. Isn't that why everyone's bitching about SFV?

>>386604730
this. as much of an anti-dlc faggot I am, costume dlc is the one dlc I'm okay with. it has no bearing on the mechanics and isn't pay2win bullshit characters

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>>386603540
More like Itagaki is a terrible game director and by the time people tried to clean up his mess the damage was already done. That said DoA5 is fun in its own right, far moreso than previous games.

>>386603540
>sadly
For whom?

>>386604730
and more often than not the best skins are the unlockable ones so there's evne less reason to spend money i bought the tatsunoko and ASW packs tho

Seriously players wouldn't touch it.

t. Top 3D player in my state who tried to get everyone to play it

>>386603216
Because they immediately started releasing DLC designed to get the autism bucks from sweaty weebs.

>>386603216
fgc gamergate

>>386605589
And now with T7 out there's even less reason to bother. Honestly at this point I don't see KT bothering with a DOA6.

>>386605589
>serious players wouldn't touch it
did they give a reason why?

>>386605718
they will if there's money to be made

>>386604480
Because the tournament players also like T&A and silly costumes.

I don't really know the history, but I'm pretty sure that some random proposed the costume ban and it was never seriously considered.

>>386605718
T7 bringing in the 3D fight game bucks would be the reason why DOA6 would get made.

>>386604186
>mkx has 8million serious players

>>386605589
It's alive on the east coast and outlasted every non-Tekken 3D game, which is noteworthy.

>>386604730
I'm not immediately opposed to costume DLC, but I sure wish that I got a little bit more from buying the game for the 3rd time. (PS3, Vita, PS4) I really enjoyed unlocking costumes in DOA3 and 2U, so it sucks that I can't play to unlock some sort of currency to use for DLC. Not to mention that they make you download a new costume catalog every 2 weeks.

>>386605794
>>386605884
They already make far more money on the DLC and there's no purpose in trying to cater to tournament players (other than keep the game fun to play and balanced). The content creation pipeline is already set and a new game might mean starting all over again and fuck that.

And besides the DOA5 models look and animate way better than T7's models somehow so not even from a graphics perspective. The only thing T7 has visually are the textures and stages.

>>386604598
ultimate /last round and several "competitive" focused patches were kinda wasted

>>386605794
females can't fight lol

>>386606114
Doesn't it work like how SF4 handled the costumes? Were you get everything up to that point of release?

>>386605718
tekken jumped onto the guest character thing doa did

doa lootboxes

>>386603216
>make the best fighting game since Tekken 3
>turn it into a fapbait
I don't understand these guys

>>386606220
No. There was a lot of DLC released for DOA5 Ultimate that wasn't included in LR.

>>386606116
How many whales can there be at this point? The embarrassing DLC stream might be good for continuous revenue, but the swell of money from releasing a new game is also important.

And I think the stream is finally drying up since the latest one is just porting over DOAX3 costumes.

>>386606549
Is the gameplay that good
How does it play compared to tekken
Do people still play much on PS4

>>386606132
Was there anything seriously busted? I mean they got rid of some things like vanilla's force tech setups.

>>386606675
There's an F2P version you can check out.

>>386606675
>ps4
yes. in fact a bunch of xbots actually got a ps4 because there were more people on psn

>>386606403
Oh god. It's going to happen, isn't it? Fuck you. Fuck this.

>>386605794

They just didn't see it as a serious game at all, they still thought of it as titty fighting and SPAM HOLD 2 WIN which is (mostly) uncharacteristically scrublike behavior for these people

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>>386606635

>>386603216
>throw tits and ass on everything
>add pedobait character
>WHY DOES NO ONE TAKE ME SERIOUSLY?

lol kys go home and drink your momma's milk

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>>386606635
>>386607271

>>386607176
I doubt it. KT are pretty upfront about wanting your cash with the advertisement on the main menu. loot boxes will most likely backfire

>>386607340
They added the pedobai character AFTER no one took it seriously. Marie Rose was them doubling down.

>>386607204
>SPAM HOLD/DP 2 WIN
>get countered/crumpled and juggled

>>386607204
People like their hitconfirms and combos. Remember everyone shitting on KI early on from their misconceptions about how combo breakers worked? It's a shame.

>>386607340
i will!

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>>386603216

It's fun, easy, and flashy, with a good bit of depth for those that want to dive in. They have a good fighter but instead choose to push the fanservice aspect for weird reasons. Sure it probably makes them more money than DLC characters but I think they could have taken the series in a more serious direction and been fine.

Not only is Mila the cutest girl she's also fun to play, those ground combos are great.

>>386607531
so casuals don't like being steamrolled and like counters/escape moves while tourneyfags are the opposite?

>>386607504
Rock is overpowered.
Scissors is too weak.
Paper is cheap.

>>386607771
>instead choose to push the fanservice aspect for weird reasons
Not really weird. Doa5 vanilla flopped while trying to present itself as a serious fighter, so they decided to embrace the "titty fighter" label even more and make money from it.

>>386603837
>One good game isn't enough to shake a legacy of T&A
Pretty much this. There have been like 6 previous DoAs, one half-assed ad campaign with their new slogan over Kasumi's cleavage won't undo their already established legacy. They're known as THE sexy fanservice game, and they just leaned into it as more DLC came out.

>>386607872
Seems that way. Sample size of one, but I'm a casual and I like DOA's system a lot more than something like MvC.

>>386607953
>strike
>counter
>grab
which is which for the rock, paper, scissors?

>>386608179
but that seems... boring. who would want to play a game where the winner is determined by ridiculous combos from single hits openings over and over?

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>>386607968

Xtreme 1 was where they started going downhill. But I think they have another chance now, Tekken is the only 3D fighter on the market, Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter are dead, DoA is beginner-friendly enough that I think it could be successful.

Or they could just release more bikini DLCs

>>386608468
Lot of people, apparently. Isn't that MvC's whole thing? I think that most people who are competitive fighting game players are grind monkeys first and foremost.

>>386608868
ok I haven't played mahvel and idk how it works but what does the gameplay boil down to
because most of the time it looks like someone gets touched once and then they spend the majority of the round watching combos
is there some kind of combo break or what

>>386608504
5 was clearly pretty successful for them, and it's old. I think 5 came out the same year as SCV and the last version of VF, and it outlasted both of them.

I don't think DOA could ever see mainstream success because it's the titty fighter. One of those violence is more acceptable than sex things, MK can do it, but not DOA.

>>386608868
>>386609183
is that why people call it "touch of death: the game"?

there is a combo breaker in MvC3 and UMvC3 but I don't watch tournaments of them so I don't know how it works out at high level play

>>386609328
MK makes mad dosh but I often hear there aren't many tourneyfags for the series

>>386609453
It's funny because there's a lot of overlap between NRS and DOA tourneyfags.

>>386603216
Dead or Alive is a fighting game for people that are shit at fighters. It looks nice and is easy to learn.

>>386603216

Because the Fighting Game Comunity only likes to dickride Capcom and laughs at anything else, even if the game is serviceable.

>>386609781
You described SFV now try again.

>>386609810
>likes to dick ride capcom
>endless uproar of hate for SFV and MvCI
You don't know anything.

>>386609781
It's easy to learn the basics because they're relatively consistent, but being any good seems to require knowing every single move in the game, juggles across every weight class due to the weird health system, and ludicrous stick-waggling skills.

>>386609876

For all of the complaints it gets, the /fgc/ STILL plays SFV more than any of the other games out there. MvC:i will be exactly the same.

>>386609876
Well there's a lot of people on /v/ who like to pretend they play SFV and will yell people to go back to /r/kappa in response to criticism of it
/fgg/ is the same except they play it
they're all trying very hard to fit in, I remember one person literally unironically telling me their sole justificiation for being pro-SFV on 4chan was because reddit dislikes it, not because they actually play it and enjoy it

>>386609876
FGC stnds for Fighting Games by Capcom. People would rather complain about Capcom fighters than actually play other games.

>>386607771
"With the DOA series, the bathing suits seem to have been popular with Japanese gamers while overseas a lot of people say 'give us male character costumes!' However, once we release the game, it turns out the bathing suits sell quite a lot overseas as well." Hayashi added with a laugh, "Everyone is just trying to save face, but the numbers are honest."

>>386610161
espurts

>>386610489
>"With the DOA series, the bathing suits seem to have been popular with Japanese gamers while overseas a lot of people say 'give us male character costumes!' However, once we release the game, it turns out the bathing suits sell quite a lot overseas as well." Hayashi added with a laugh, "Everyone is just trying to save face, but the numbers are honest."
lmao this is so true

>>386610489
I wonder what the numbers are for the Marie Rose harem outfit.

>>386607771
I don't trust combo throws/holds. Maybe my timing just sucks. I never get the full thing.

>>386609850
SFV looks terrible though.

>>386610303
People would rather complain about people complaining about capcom fighters than actually playing capcom fighters

wasn't one of the main complaints about the demo that they made the boobs smaller?

>>386603216
Because it never looked like a serious fighter and then they decided to go back to its only selling point, tits

>>386615586
Should I fap to Mila tonight?

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>>386615841
yes

>>386605794
>did they give a reason why?
DoA is considered a tainted series with a horrible community and money was literally being stolen from pro players during 4

>>386615971
I'll get started then

>>386615552
DOA5 shrunk bust sizes across the board.

>>386615971
o shet

>>386615971
Topless Mila with boxing gear gave me a new fetish.

>>386603216
Maybe because it was filled with horrorific bugs for years and no one trusts a fanbase that's infamous for lying and cheating (DOAMaster). One time the DOA community demanded a spot for a major and only 20-30 people showed up. It's a fucking joke

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>>386603216
People didn't buy the "DOA can be a serious fighter" thing.

>>386604586
Oh fuck, 3.1 HD version when?

>>386609453
It only breaks combo when the one doing it is trying to switch characters in an air combo and the one getting hit guessed right.

>>386608468
Generally, those players like guaranteed damage and setup because it ensures consistent wins. Eliminating the amount of options for the opponent feels less "random" than the triangle system.

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>>386616612
>Those pits

That one needs a little work

>>386603837
>one good game
Three of the four DOA games before 5 were good.

>>386604598
Whales are generally the hardcore audience for most fighters. Tourneyfags will buy everything to stay competitive and just to have something different to look at. Remember before DLC tournaments would hack games to get different colors, songs, and costumes after playing the same game for years. Anything to spice up a game they obsessively play.

>>386616506
Horrific, or hilarious?
https://youtu.be/uCRP73jLTJM?t=59s

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>>386603216
>spanish
>MMA fighting style, with a lot of boxing and muay thai moves
>some grappling mechanics
>cute
>beautiful tomboy
>practical proffesional fighting outfit
>is trapped on fucking DOA

can harada san buy her and put her in tekken?

>>386616717
Didn't 1 and 2 start the whole "OP counters/guess-heavy" stigma? And that's why people praised 3 or 3.1 because it distanced itself from that?

>>386616950
yes, DOA beging to be a GOOD fighting game after 3, counter where simply too OP.

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How do I git gud with her? I really like the MMA style but I get countered all the time, she seems to lack stuns and launches.

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VR mode is the single best upgrade to a game I've ever seen, with DOAX3. VR porn games need to hurry the fuck up.

>>386617095
people play DOA online? where? on PS4 there's nothing, on PC?

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>>386617292
But someone literally said this >>386607058

mila is still the second worst girl with the worst outfits

hey thanks for these pics guy

>>386617537
fag

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>>386617537
Worse than
>Kokoro
>Marie
>Honker
>Naotora
?

>>386617527
I supposed i need to search more games on last round i have last round for PS4, but i just play it online once

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>>386617806

>>386616950
People always bash the counter system in DOA. I think it's fine, especially for such a beginner friendly fighter. It forces you to mix up combos and it rewards you for knowing combos for the character you're fighting against.

They've toned it down a lot in 5. In 3 and 2U, the counter window was very large, to the point where you could start a counter before your opponent pressed the punch button, and still counter it. I actually prefer it that way. A counter is easily countered by grabbing, hitting anywhere else than where the counter is, or doing nothing. It's an easy to understand system. Every other fighting game has counters. What do you think and anti-air is? But DOA made it very easy to understand the weaknesses and strengths of the moves you could do.

Another thing I wanted to mention was how Soul Calibur 2 has a counter system that's even more broken than DOA's. You counter either low or high, both of which counter mid, and you can counter any move, including unblockables and grabs. And there's no windup or lag frames. But the only reason people don't like SC2 is that it's not Soul Edge or whatever.

>no short hair Pai Chan
bunch of BITCHES

>>386617953
2G and Step-G are the main reasons people don't like SC2. But it mainly shows they didn't play the game they so much praised, because SC1 also had another form of 2G.

>>386617292

PC has a tiny community but it's there.

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>>386617806

>>386617806
damn hotdog down a hallway

>>386617617
worst girl: honoshit
do I even have to explain why? completely pointless cash grab character that brings nothing new to the table.

second worst girl: mila
ugly by design to appeal to retards who thought the series was too sexy. worst outfits in the game.

third worst girl: marie
pedobait in a series for big titty lovers. at least she fulfills a niche.

fourth worst girl: lisa
nigger

fifth worst girl: kokoro
another completely pointless character, but at least this one is more forgettable than offensive.

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>>386618591
>Lisa
>nigger

Huh?

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>>386616268
>>386615586
>>386615971

Why are her eyes so perfect?

>>386618591
Lisa > Mila > Kokoro > Honker > Marie

Get that order straight at least.

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>>386618591
get out

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>>386617095
Seconding, she's fun but I don't know what I'm doing. Her primary launchers are 33P and 8K, she seems to be all about that P+K to 2T combo throw life.

I don't understand appeal of such skimpy outfits like the one posted here. It's just different variation of bikini. Where are some good sexy clothes.

>>386617095
I'm not very good with Mila, but learn how to do every move that isn't a high punch and you're less likely to get countered. She also has a lot of grab moves. More than most characters, but less than say, a Tina or Leon. Don't know about launchers or stuns, but work on long string combos. That's what Mila players always do to me online.

>>386619342

The worst thing about them is that they leave nothing to the imagination. I mean fuck dude if the ONLY thing you can't see is the vag and nips then they might as well be naked.

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I wanna suck Tina's tits

>>386616519
When I look at this, I can't help but become puzzled by the sheer ugliness of western designed female characters.

>>386619468
I want be her father. You just know something is going on there.

so what about that browser game they were working on? have they said anything more about it

>>386619437
This. My favorite costumes end up being the remakes of DOA3 costumes. Skirts, tight pants, tight shirts, mesh, cleavage, unique style. That's where it is, senpai.

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>>386619597
N-no there isn't!

Am I crazy for wanting the DOA girls to have more defined abs or some of them to have 6-pack abs?

DOA certainly has the best character models for fighting game females. I was pretty excited this game was coming out for PC since I hadn't played it since 3 on xbox but no one plays it at all. Guess I'll try Tekken out at some point

>>386619212

Is that some Mila/Momiji fusion?

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>>386619753
Another idea they tried but was poo-poohed by the fanbase

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>>386619650
Nothing yet. Maybe now that the VR is out, they'll move on to it. Unless the VR Sense thing takes up all of their time.

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>>386619437
But those are the best.

>>386619856
Oh man, I wanna rub my dick on her toned abs.

>>386619843
For real. Someone I didn't even care about turned into a pretty fine girl. Another case was Honker, but it was a render. She got rid of her silly side-ponytail, replaced it with a hairbun on top and just looked more mature, but I lost those pics. Does someone know what I'm talking about?

>>386611137
I play Mila and she gets fucking boring because of her mount. You get guaranteed damage after a mid punch hold. You get a free ground mount and great damage if you know the timing for the follow-ups.

Just practice with the hardest AI level to get the proper timing. They'll try to break for combo throw/hold every time.

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>>386603216
>Why didn't this attempt at rebranding the Dead or Alive series as a serious fighter work?
DOA never had good gameplay, it was always a fan-service game with tits and cool guys.
They would need to redesign the game to be competitive and remove the entire counter hold aspect. This is why trying to hit the e-sport crowd with 5 didn't work at all.

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>>386620163
>But those are the best.
If you are 13 maybe. True sexiness needs to be discovered not just presented on plate.

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>>386619891
>tfw going through Bass' DOA4 cutscenes
>He's basically lost it and is randomly kicking the shit out of everyone, even innocent bystanders
>Footsteps literally stomping like he's a 500lb ogre or something
>Leifang stops him

>>386619074
6H+K (knee attack) is better launcher than 33P outside of a critical stun.

Also, try using her tackle feint.

>>386620470
costumes that show almost everything are great because a real girl would never wear them unless she was a complete pervert or getting blackmailed.

>>386620465
There is nothing wrong with holds. They were fixed in 5.

The only thing that they should change is how hi counter holds work, because they're basically random for most attacks with how strict the timing is.

>>386620735
Stupid question, but when do you use her tackle feint? I didn't really get what it was for.

>>386618540
Helena's expression is making me harder than diamond.

>>386620470
I can appreciate subtlety. But those models and the lighting mixed with the sweat effect are just begging to show off.

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>>386621506
There is nothing more arousing to a man than the site of an equally aroused women.

>>386619992
oh she has wide tits. got it now.

>>386619760
Fighting games on PC are always pretty dead. It's a good thing you don't need a lot of other people to play with.

Tekken's probably a lot more lively, but DOA5 was doomed from the start since the port was so shit.

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Rumble roses is the bestter ecchi game.

>>386620163
I would imagine her nipples to be more orange colored

>>386622065
RIP the original artist of the game.

RIP anything close to a sequel or a spiritual successor.

>>386622065
I need both gameplay and titties. They form the yin and yang.

>>386622179
Thats why Iike rumble roses better.

Girls slamming girls!

>>386622065
Why do those characters all look like re-imaginings of DOA characters?

>>386622336
Its not game art but a couple of characters do look like doa girls(though the one looking like mila came before doa5)

>>386622461
From left to right:

Nyotengu
Tina
Lisa
Mila
Kokoro
Christie
Ayane
Hitomi or Leifang
Helena

It's pretty freaky

>>386622594
Eh, it's not like both of them portray unique characterizations.

Who's the unga bunga gorilla character in DOA5? Is it Rig?

>>386619468
>>386618163
The things they do to my dick.

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I just want a simulation where I can live happily with Momiji. Is that too much to ask?

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mommy can be a ninja too

>>386619468
Tina's nipples are the best.