What went wrong?

They wanted to enforce a certain pkaystyle by adding timers on missions.

Players don't like to be forced.

Human enemies.

>>386592123
Game goes from awesome Space Isis to Dragon Ball Z end game

>>386592123

bad art direction, and the gameplay designer went full retard

>>386592319

EW's EXALT were great

>>386592123
Nothing, great game and get's a big expansion this month. Every major complaint like timers >>386592242 can already be fixed with workshop mods.

>>386592242
Really, they put timers on the missions?

Fuck that. I thought the meld collecting in EW was bad but that's just bullshit.

>you failed to get the gimmick goo for the gimmick soldiers you wont make, B rating

>>386592529
Yeah well the shitty boring human Advent enemies aren't.

>>386592647

yeah the advent suck, but not because they're humanoid.

>still no nude sneak mod
That's the problem.
We got lewd troopers and toddy archons, yet still no sneks.

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Taking too damn long to release a GOTY edition so I can buy everything at once is what's wrong.

>>386592242
>>386592592
git gud, you crybaby overwatch-crawling shitters

>>386592242
This. Timers killed it so I modded that shit out immediately.
>implement stealth system
>completely fuck it up with turn timers
Were they high?

>>386592123
When you ask that, is it because this game jumps out to you as a suffering/dead game?
I have been playing this game all summer nonstop after a year hiatus, and while I agree that the shoddy engine and timer mechanics do hurt the vanilla experience, is it not true that there are a lot of solutions to these in the workshop, therefore reviving the game?
Mods really increase the replay-ability to an infinite degree, and right now the only thing I complain about is the difficulty/unrealistic expectations that Long War 2 can sometimes present. (t. shit-tier commander)
Additionally, I am psyched for the upcoming expansion.
>>386592529
What aspect of the art design do you not like? I think the game can have pretty stunning visuals with the bright lights and more crisp models/textures compared to EU

>>386594381
This.

Timers are fine. There is just enough but not too many of them. Other than that, fags would move like a few feet and just over watch for the entire mission.

>>386592123
I have a couple of friends who have this and they both love it. I never finished Enemy Unknown and I really need to because it was fucking fantastic. Can't remember why I stopped. I think I was just playing two games at once.

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>>386594242
The expansion isn't out until the end of August.
>MFW got it for $10 thanks to Amazon fucking up the price

>>386592589
mods are not part of the game

>Change out Vahlen and Zhang with le black science man and Zhang's ugly daughter
>Change the cool Sci-fi feel for "DUDE DYSTOPIA LMAO"
>Fuck up the classes and perks so they're not nearly as fun

Decent game that's got a good modding scene. It's only real weakness is how poorly optimized the engine is.

>>386592123
Corny shit and the worst framerate i have ever experienced.

besides that, modern xcom is flawed in that there are too few soliders and because of that they are way too valuable. Lose a 1 guy a mission and your fucked. lose 2 a mission and its over. lose a whole squad and its just a slog to doom.

>>386594779
The modding community pretty much peaked right at launch when the Bob Ross Voice Pack, aka the greatest videogame mod of all time, was released.

>>386594660
Fucking this.

>>386592123
I liked it. EW was better though. The xcom 2 bosses that drop at the worst time are anoying and not fun.

>>386592123
What do you mean? I think its pretty solid. It nosedives in difficulty once you tech up enough, but so does every xcom title.

>>386592123
Unplayable without mods to speed up the game and skip some animations

The atmosphere was not nearly as good
Fucking HP creep for enemies instead of bigger numbers or better mechanics
Timers never felt right to me, theyDO take away some control from the player,while I never had problem with it, it never made me think it improved the experience


Overall, the shitty ending convinced me that the game was rushed, hence all the release bugs and somewhat lackluster feel compared to the first game

>>386594842
A good deal of the enemies were designed really well. I liked the sectoids, the human hybrids, the camoflagued human things, the snek, and the heavy infantry aliens.

- but some of the enemies are buttfucking retarded. I hate the exosuit alien that comes back to life EVERY FUCKING TIME. after the first time it's so played out. If you blow it up with explosives, it shouldn't reboot in robot mode, hell if you damaged it heavily enough, it shouldn't reboot, but it does, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

also that floating enemy had no place in this game. Some egyptian looking abomination.

I also hated how they got rid of the swole xcom. They went from NFL players to twinks with faggot accessories.

>>386595197
The atmosphere suffered because of the randomized maps.

Yes, they mean every map is unique, but they are never as interesting as the crafted maps from EU/EW.

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>>386595424
Archon and Avatars were both shit designs.

>>386596226
I don't hate archons but that fucking troll hair on the avatars is just silly.

>>386596395
Archons look like a fantasy enemy.

Avatars are shittier Ethereals.

>>386596226
no i agree. I don't like most of the design xcom ew either.

>>386592123
that absolutely shit "bossfight" at the end with a boring as fuck cutscene to finish it off.
I really asked myself why i played it after a got this shit tier ending.

>>386592123
The atmosphere is way better in the first game, and this one has no atmosphere at all, you never really feel like an insurgent group.

>>386592123
Nothing apart from bugs. "People" whining about the timer are worthless shitters who cannot into SRPGs.

timers
no enemy within mecs
no meld
longwar 2 area management sucks

Power creep.
It's not fun when every ayylien/large group encounter turns into spamming your strongest moves and explosives to 1-turn the enemy because you know 1 or more of your guys will die if the turn ends.

Glitches, Glitches galore, so many times I tell someone to do something, then there's a minute of random shit happening on screen when my character isn't moving. then after all the explosions, he takes a shot

I just hated that lame ass ending cinematic

All that work and what do you get? A scene of a suburban neighborhood where some advent get snucked up on and whacked with a baseball bat

>>386592123
Poor artstyle.

>>386592123

its almost the literal same game as the first one

>>386592123
None of the characters were really that likeable compared to XCOM EU/EW.

>>386592589
>every major complaint can be fixed with mods
I didn't know bethesda made this

>>386592123
No MECs, long dong 2 is underwhelming.

>>386592123

After playing long war 1 i couldn't bring myself to make it very far in Xcom 2, I just found it boring and easy with no depth. Long war 2 isn't as much fun as the first but it adds that much needed strategic depth.

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>>386592123
Nothing. Meld wasn't enough to make overwatch-crawling shitters trivializing the game move faster, and on classic and Impossible where you were forced to overwatch crawl until you get several functional assaults, you eventually got to a point where you'd have enough meld for one soldier to get mimic skin, and then you're set on meld and scouting forever.

Timers fix this. Sometimes you can go slow and steady (normally in places like remote facilities), but now not only do timers fit the theme of rebels constantly working within the parameters of small windows of opportunity to retaliate against the enemy, they almost make the game more then just move troop, move squad close by troop, everyone overwatch, repeat until enemy patrol bumps into you.

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The Lack of Vahlen from the game was criminal

>>386594484
>stealth system
Retard. That is exactly why the timers exist.
Concealment allows you to move forward without the fear of activating pods. It is meant to remove the downtime and tedious overwatch crawl of XCOM2012. It isnt meant to be used for stealthing past every pod to get the objective, which was painfully apparent in early LW2 where it was fucking tedious and boring.

I despised the way the percentage chances worked for one.
Say you have 70% chance of being lightly wounded, 60% for wounded and 50% of gravely wounded. This translates in the game as 50% gravely, 10% wounded and 10% lightly. It makes no fucking sense and your troops are constantly out for weeks on end because a snake briefly stood near them.

This bullshit it why troops in high cover either don't get hit, or die to a critical.

>>386605281
How about they just have actual alien AI instead of throwing timers on a broken system?

>>386600942
it worked for Casino

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You Will Catch your ride to heaven you Glorious inbred bastard

>>386592529
>EW's EXALT were great
in concept, in game they were a pushover

>>386592242
dead rising reference

Rush missions, Avatar Project Countdown and still didn't patch the fucking performance issues and cinematic bugs.

>>386592242

This is literally the number one signal that the person complaining is actually SHIT at playing Exxon and has to overwatch crawl through every mission

>>386596226
I feel like the art direction for XCOM 2 has been really shit, it's all over the place. It was okay for the most part vanilla, aside from the avatars of course, but then they started making the DLC's. Shen's last gift was fine, but the other two seemed too cartoony and didn't fit into the universe. The expansion seems to be going that way too.

>>386592242
>>386594484
The timers are completely trivial 95% of the time.

Not sure why your complaining about that

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>>386592123
Nothing. Straight up improvement over Xcom EU/EW in every way except visual design on characters and enemies and the best Xcom/X-com game to date.

There are minor pieces I miss from other games, like the stompy robutts in EW were fun, as was jerking off to the limbless torso-women who piloted them. Losing the tension of X-com is kind of a shame, too, but for actual sitting down and playing a game gameplay none of them have shit on Xcom 2. Really looking forward to the expansion, hoping they don't fuck it up by bolting on extra mechanics and shit. It's not like Xcom 2 was particularly complex but there's a difference between adding depth and adding plate-spinning busywork.

I will say the expansion continues the stupid visual design on characters of Xcom 2 though. Kinda wish there were some graphical mods to tone down the brightly colored Nerf plasma weapons and make the ayys more horrific and put giant physics-enabled tits on the snakes.

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>>386595424
>I also hated how they got rid of the swole xcom. They went from NFL players to twinks with faggot accessories.

Fortunately there is a mod that returns them to swole status.

is this a good starting point if you're interested in tactical turn based games?

>>386610239
Lotta people get really anal about that. A buddy of mine was completely losing his shit when the game launched and we were playing at the same time, telling me how he reloaded every single mission like 20 times. Then he watched me play one, one of the stealth base assaults, on hardcore on a harder difficulty and didn't even get anyone hit and he calmed down and got gud. I think it's just people too used to overwatch crawling from EW not realizing that you can actually dash and haul ass pretty well while you're still stealthed, especially if you always run into cover, and that you can usually just slip past some patrols and ignore them completely. In a full campaign I only got burned by that once or twice due to unfortunate patrol movement.

>>386610923
Yes, and it has four difficulty settings to work with. Mods can also change and enhance the challenge.

>>386610923
It's pretty solid and has reasonably easy to understand rules, but there are a fuckton of turn based tactics games so it's possible it won't float your boat. Is a good starting point though.

> no one mentioning that the game ran/runs like shit

>>386610923
Yes. If you prefer something physical instead of percent chance try Valkyrie Chronicles

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>>386599612
They're doing the same thing in the expansion. Specters look like another "kill this guy in one turn or eat shit" enemy.

>>386611252
did you even read the thread senpai?

>>386592123
The fact that its not an ISIS simulator.

>>386610813
name of mod?

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>only a shitty gay mod
>no lewd mods for normal people

>>386611783
>he doesn't go to loverslab

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>>386611527
XSoldier by Vectorplexus.

>>386611783
There's several lewd mods for the female soldiers. You can't make thick Amazon warrioresses, though.

Classes were a disappointment. I expected a wider variety of classes with better upgrades.

>>386613167
Psi was the biggest disappointment, it's just a bunch of "I win" buttons

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>>386592123
The framerate drops to a crawl and stutters my computer after about an hour of gameplay.

The game felt too short for me, honestly. Are there any good mods/DLC that make there game longer?

>>386613562
yes

>>386613345
Performace is one of the things they're fixing in WotC.

>>386613562
Long War mod. You'll wish it would just end with thatone.

Not enough sneks

>>386592123
Optimization. Game runs like ass, I get single digits on the world map.

>>386613647
Heard Long War 2 is pretty garbage though, is it really worth it?

>>386612343
Thanks bro. I finally have sexy thong men to go with my nude women

>>386592123
Same plot as X-com 1 except you're terrorists.

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>>386613737
It can get pretty blatantly unfair at times, but if you can tough it through the first few months it becomes more balanced.

>>386613850
You're welcome. Enjoy your beefcakes.

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>>386613647
>Performace is one of the things they're fixing in WotC.
I'm glad to hear that. I've been putting off playing it since February because it's so bad for my computer despite meeting recommended specs.

>>386613647
>Performace is one of the things they're fixing in WotC.
Does this mean we have to buy the expansion to get a properly running game?

>>386614078
I see. Although i also know Long War adds a bunch of extra shit, isn't there a good mod that does nothing besides make it a bit longer? I feel i would get shat on too badly since i haven't played XCOM 2 in almost a year. I know there are a bunch of mods that make it longer (Looked up), but i don't know which ones are better.

Why would you play nu-XCOM when open X-COM exists and is superior in everyway except graphics?

>>386613737
While the new mission management is cool, they made the combat a bit more tedious. Chance to miss goes up much high in a shorter distance with vanilla, and becomes a near guaranteed miss if they're behind full cover. Breaking said cover is a lot harder as well since they changed it where grenades won't destroy it. To balance it out though, they give everyone a grenade and flashbang by default along with armor that counts as two free damage hits before they start getting actually injured

The game's performance was abysmal at release, I would be surprised if they spent any effort at all on optimizing it. Had a few minor problems with things like art direction, and I still don't understand why they fucked up their display of HP when EU's was just fine. Timers were completely fine though, everyone who complained about them was shit at the game. First wave of DLC was shit as well, but expansion looks solid.

>>386594779
Every time I download this game and find mods, the game updates. I know a lot of them are cosmetic but still I don't even know if the non-cosmetic ones work properly anymore.

>>386592242
Timers aren't strictly bad, since they force you to mix up your tactics a bit. I just didn't like how nearly all the missions were timed. I would have liked a better variety

>>386614298

Did you ever play Legend difficulty? That's the default "longer campaign" option.

would i be a scrub for installing the no timers mod

>>386614269
That I'm not sure about. Hopefully they'll implement the optimizing and stuff in the base game, too, for the people who don't want WotC but have the others.

>>386614298
Considering how XCom 2 is set up, the only real way to make the base game and the expansions up til WotC longer is making research and autopsies and other things take longer so you have to either do more missions to collect bodies for faster autopsies or just sweat it out and still do more missions. Long War's big problem is that it starts making enemies tougher far sooner so you're facing enemies with 2+ armor and 15 health and jacked-up stats before the second month is over.

>>386614719
No timers is too much. There are mods to make it longer or even prevent the timer from counting down until you are detected, but straight up removing them rewards the old overwatch turtling too much.

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absolutely nothing

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>>386614719
Play what you want how you want. Its a single player game.

>>386614719

The game is balanced around timers existing. You'll at the least need an AI mod to if you want to remove timers.

Anyone who complains about turn timers is bad at the game. Time for some real issues

>Game is too easy
>Grenadiers exploitable
>Alpha striking OP as fuck
>Poor optimization
>Some really bad designs and a DBZ tier ending
>Difficulty only drops as the game goes on, the final mission is fine though

And that's not even getting into Long War 2, which is such a clusterfuck of great ideas and terrible design it boggles the mind.

For me the two worst parts were Armor and Evade mechanics.

Mostly because enemies in the midgame had 3-4 armor and 30-50% evade chance, and the fucking late game stats for your best gear was all of 2 armor and 20% evade.

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>>386594381
>>386610105
>game has feature
>wah you're scrub if you use it
these tears are delish

>>386615516
Acid Grenades and all of your Armor woes will fade away.

Also the mod that makes SPARKs actually viable are amazing for LW2.

Unplayably unoptimised and buggy with some godawful DLC. XCOM2 and then CIV6 shows Firaxis is losing their touch.

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>game throws a billion HP mech at your face that can destroy your whole team in one or two turns with an AOE nuclear missile on no cooldown unless you move back as soon as you see it and shoot it for half an hour
fuck you

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>>386616841
>shoot it with Bluescreen Round/toss an EMP Grenade
>hack it and take control
>turn those weapons on ADVENT

I relish missions with Sectopods in them, especially since my combat Specialist got lucky with some +20 to Hack bonuses and he can take over Sectopods so easily.

>>386611783
>nude mod for females
>lewd outfits for females
>tattoos designed for nude mod
>half naked advent
>females archon with bare tiddies

Plenty of mod, honestly

>>386618316
But everyone throws a fit when they see the lone male mod. Sad, really.

>>386618570
To be fair everyone had a good chuckle at first.
There would've been no problem if somd fag hadn't fucking spammed that mod until everyone got sick of if.

>>386614269
You don't need WotC for the bug fixes/performance fixes.
It's just coming out when WotC does because devs only get the luxury of working on fixing their game when they're also working on dlc for said game.

>>386617158
That's a nice skin but it would annoy the shit out of me to have troops running around without any body armor. I could roll with some sci-fi cheesecake fantasy armor with her tits hanging out or whatever but straight up bikini just doesn't work.

Incidentally, did anyone make tiddy skins for the ayys? Show me them sectoid puccis anon.

>>386616841
>Final mission sectopod
>One shot kill it with my first shot with a guy with the 1% chance insta kill gun mod

>>386619035
Tiddy skins only exist for archon, as far as I know.
It doesn't straight up replace archons, females just sometimes spawn instead, the variety is neat. Of course, the tits are neat, too.

>>386619243
Where is the archon tiddy mod anyway? That one seems fitting for the acrhons design.

>>386592319

>advent
>humans

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It's still a good game, but it just doesn't match up to EW, it's mods that save it really. Here's what they did wrong
>Timers forcing you into an alphastrike meta and elimimating any prolonged firefights, which were where all the fun in the game was.
>Timers making suppressing and overwatching in fight nearly useless, because of timers the game is entirely balanced upon you wiping out the entire enemy squad on turn 1, which sucks ass
>Concealment
>Randomized maps
>Enemy design was pretty meh for the most part
>No real challenge
>Gatecrasher being the hardest mission in the game somehow
>Poor performance
>Once again timers eliminating prolonged firefights, I really think that this is the biggest flaw with the game, and one that probably can't be fixed without some massive mod overhauls
>Researching a new weapon tech auto upgrades, no need to build weapons
>Long war 2 sucked because of timers

>>386619931
>I really think that this is the biggest flaw with the game, and one that probably can't be fixed without some massive mod overhauls

They're adding a campaign setting that doubles the timers and doubles XCOM and alien health. This will supposedly allow for extended shootouts.

>>386619426
Check the xcom 2 thread on loverslab.
It was posted recently, if you go to the last page and then go back you should find it within one or two pages.

>>386615356
The whole problem with timers is not that they make the game hard, I completed a legendary ironman run with no difficulty mods and was fine with no deaths. It's the problem that it forces your to play the alpha strike meta and completely annihilates long firefights, which isn't fun.

>>386616841
I never got to see what this things abilities were because on my 4 playthroughs of the game I never let them live long enough to shoot me.

>>386620073
Sounds like a clunky fix to me, I doubt it will work well. Besides, aliens dying fast isn't necessarily the problem. They also need to how easy it is to land shots on ayys and how much guaranteed dmg/cover destruction you get early into the game, among a multitude of other things

>>386620397
A pretty clunky fix, ideally if it doesn't pan out a modder will improve it.

>>386592123
Forced timer on 90% of the missions and a metagame that revolved around Grenadiers blowing up cover then mopping up the alien pod with the rest of the soldiers, and then moving on to a psi-team in the later game just because.

>>386622068
Does WotC bring any class balance changes?

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>>386610390
>if you dont kill the entire pod in one turn, your fucked: the game
>best xcom

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>>386611318
They're obnoxious. They can go across the battlefield like stun lancers and instantly take control one of your units. I'm serious, it's actually really fucking annoying just because of the way it looks. This cock sucker flies across a huge distance just to fuck over a unit instantly.

>>386622301
I dunno dude, I never played it. Just giving my observations about the game as it was when it was released, where it went wrong in it's most deciding state.

my only problem was the long ass loading times.

Timers didn't bother me much at all. I only ever ran out of time on a single occasion, resulting in a single soldier being left behind. It just sent me off to go on a rescue mission and get them back.

>>386611318
He's missing the giant Razer emblem on his chest.

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>>386592242
Nah, timers were fine.

It stopped me overwatching my way to victory and forced me to actually make difficult decisions on what to do.

Xcom 2 actually perfects the feeling of pressure that the first game lacked, which is why I think some EU/EW players don't like it.

Xcom EU/EW was so much easier for a game about fighting back an invasion. If you didn't feel ready for a mission, you can just not commit to it and spend a few months shooting down UFOs and running the odd callout missions. You have time and a means to get resources.

Xcom 2 actually forces you to manage your resources. You'll never have enough time, supplies, staff etc to have everything you want so you have to make value choices on what you spend your time and resources on.

The only thing I don't like is objective based missions where you have to kill all the enemies after completing your objective. There's something more satisfying about bolting to safety under a hail of gunfire than just hanging back and killing everything.

>>386618770
People were frothing at the mouth over the very first picture.

Just wait for the expansion if you hate timers so much.

>>386622464
Really hoping there will be some. Grenadiers get way too strong way too early in vanilla.
I'm not really looking forward to running 2+ of them every mission again.

At least move the free grenades skill further down the tree or something.

>>386592242
The timers were a necessity. Otherwise you could creep up one tile at a time and make the game almost impossible to lose.

>>386592123
ran like fucking shit
too many timers

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have to kill fast but bullets too slow

>>386592123
Some aliens having like twenty turns in a row. Sectapods can fuck off.

>>386622758
Never saw those posts myself early on.
Just reaction of all kinds. It wasnt until later that I saw posts telling faganon to fuck off.

>>386622758

Untrue. No one cares about gay mods. Just look at TES mod threads, which are full of furry bara mods. What people didn't like was one fag continually trying to turn every XCOM thread into a fetish thread and continually making multiple threads of his own to talk about his fetish.

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The game is designed to be annoying. The further you get, the more bullshit the player discovers. It isn't that bad though, since a lot of situations an be recovered from.

My biggest issue are just the timer missions where you've got like four turns to get across the world, and for some fucking reason there's no transmitters in sight. That's what pisses me off the most right there. I just happened to stroll the wrong way and WOOPS THERE'S NO TRANSMITTERS TOO BAD.

>>386622301

Yes. Class abilities aren't a binary choice. AWC abilities have been revamped and turned into a multichoice option you can purchase.

>>386623225
you know you can see them glowing through the fog of war. and you can hear the ayys scooting around it

>>386592123

Oh look, more /v/ contrarians popping up.

Nothing went wrong, beside maybe mission timers but there's just about a 101 mods that either remove those or make them more lenient anyway.

>>386592529
I would have enjoyed an EXALT campaign

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>see gatekeeper for the first time
>huh that's kind of neat I guess, wonder what it'll do
>that health
>that defense
>first active turn it blasts my entire team with aoe psi attack
>kills half of them and turns them into zombies
Who thought these enemies were a good idea?

>>386592123
Lorefags got BTFO and started crying about everything

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>>386619035
There's a variety of clothes in the mod, many I can't post because titties and asses. I really like the open vests and longcoats.

>>386623054
I only made one thread when the old thread was about to die.

>>386592123
Game forces player and AI into "alpha strike all enemies to win"; ton of ways it could be fixed, like using turn units instead of 2 actions, or an actual iniative system, even wego with simultaneous shooting phase wouldve worked, but the devs seem braindead when it comes to gameplay design. Maybe in the future they could pick /tg/'s brain for help making thier shit actually work.

Nect to the shitty turn system is the focus on RNG punishment that is completely out of the players hands and makes the gane frustrating. Something like edge rerolls that get burned off to prevent criticals once wouldve done wonders. Getting rid of the class system outright and tying abilities to equipment like the original game wouldve also mitigated the frustration of losing soldiers because it makes them individually more ecpendable while the important gear can still be recovered.

Virtually everything the dev team has done after launch has not actually improved the gameplay whatsoever - in fact the alien rulers dlc fucking obliterates the core design and fun. The devs are fuvking clueless and seriously need to revisit tabletop gaming to see what oeople like and why.

I hated the final mission

It was too fucking long and the final wave of enemies was bullshit no fun allowed crap

too much importance on having one single team that does everything

if you lose anyone you're just fucked cause of doomsday clock

>>386619931
Timers arent tje real problem, just a small problem on top of bigger problems.

>>386623591
I like a lot of the parts from the lewd mod, would post screenshots if I was at home.

>>386623682
also it makes a huge difference if aliens spawn behind your guys and whether those aliens are archons, or itty bitty shitty faceless who aren't a threat whatsoever.
or whether the avatar teleport fucks off to the other side of the map when you lay some damage, or if they teleport in some easy to shoot place that you can keep a combo going.

>>386623242
Can you elaborate on the class abilities?
How are they changing them?

>>386592123

Nothing, it's perfect

Shitters who complain about timers either need to get the True Concealment mod or fuck off

>>386624113

It's not an either/or choice. You can choose to have say a Specialist with revival and haywire protocol if you want to spend the points to do so.

Post your modlist fags. Mine's:
ABA2
Advent Priest
GrimyLootMod
GrimyLootAlienRulers
HealGrenade
RulerReactionsRevised
ActivateAllPods
ChooseableAWC
Commander's Choice
ConfigurableMissionTimers
EasierContact
ExtraWeaponSlot
FieldMedicClass
LongerCampaign
LWPerkPack
LWLaserPack
LWOfficerPack
LWToolbox
MoreMapsPack
NecromancerClass
StopWastingMyTime
TankClass
TrueConcealment

>>386606874
This.

Having cheap band-aid tweaks (timers) tune the difficulty of inherently weak AI with pods is retarded.

>difficult
>cheap

Use your brains.

>>386592123
Everything that went wrong was fixed by mods.
But to keep it objective yeah it still needs some fucking optimization.

>>386592589
Nah you can fix it in 15 seconds flat tweaking an ini file. Literally.

>>386592123
I actually found whats causing the memory leak and involves the way the game writes save games and saves battlefield details like explosions damaging terrain etc.

I sent it to Firaxis and they never got back to me, nor fixed it.

>>386592242
Found the retard that plays overwatch spam.

>>386624701
Mods never fixed tje two worst tjings about the game - terrible turn/initiative system, and shit class system that forces over reliance on supersoldiers and savescumming.

Removing or changing those two things would make the game better.

>>386624510
longest war

>>386624834
>sending it directly to firaxis
There's your problem, mate. You should've created a thread on the XCOM 2 subreddit and raised awareness of the bug there, everyone would have showered you in upvotes and the community managers at Firaxis would've noticed you.

>>386592123
Did anything ever happen with that co-op mod?

>>386624463
Sounds interesting.
Also sounds like you could do some pretty broken shit.

>>386624914
It was through the officla crash/bug reporting thread they created on the forums in the first week of the launch when everyone was having problems. I found the solution to the memory leak crash that was causing the game to simply not boot for some people after one crash but whatever, if they choose not to fix it is not my issue.

And I was never looking for recognition or up boats so I didn't do that.

>>386594660
if a game is moddable it's definetely part of the game.

trying playing a piece of trash game that is nigh-impossible to modify, barely allowing the simplest of changes and if so, only through brute ways like using a hacked renderer.

If you can safely say that something like singleplayer GTAV would be the same without mods you're a clown.

>>386624965
Dropped support until firaxis allows for more than two players, last I heard.

>>386625052
It's because of you that this game is still shitty, anon. I resent you. You could have fixed everything. But you were too weak...

>>386592123
Grenadiers killing everything guaranteed all the time. Psyops too.

>>386624868
Please get better at the game or ACTUALLY try the mods, they "fix" these things too so shitters like you can enjoy it.

>>386594381
in general, I agree, but then there's protect the device where a gatekeeper starts attacking it turn one and you lose the mission before you could even dash your soldiers into aproximate range.

>>386625243

Protect the Device is literally a broken impossible mission in late game without mods.

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What would you do to a mindcontrolled snek waifu?

voicepack mods are a fucking godsend

hearing ATHF, Tommy Wiseau and stalker bandits yelling shit when you crit aliens is pretty fucking fun.

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>>386625453
exalt voice pack is god tier

>>386625063
especially a game as easily moddable as this.

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Vipers are the best enemy in the game. Prove me wrong.

>>386625453
The Warfighter voice ones are pretty good as well. MOstly since its already comms talk.

>>386624510
>Not playing actual Long War
RIP

>>386625483
>>386625607
the IG ones they ripped from DOW games are pretty good too.

Most of the enemies in XCOM 2 are just annoying and no fun, the first game's firefights were way more fun and the enemies never felt like they were a chore to kill.

>Archon
>Gatekeeper
>Codex
>Avatar
>Andromedon
>Stun Lancers

These enemies force you to play a certain way to beat them and anything other than that tactic is just putting yourself at a huge disadvantage.

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ALLAHU ACKBAR

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>>386625884
>doing Alien Rulers mission
>send my Psi Op with Fortress in as bait
>Viper King focuses on him, licking and coiling and barfing ice on him
>Grenadiers rain down Incendiary, Acid, and Gas Grenades while Julian unleashes his Hellfire Projector
>Viper King is turned into ADVENT burger meat, the only damage the Psi Op took was 1 point of damage from being coiled

>>386625824
having to adapt to the enemy isnt a bad thing anon. One strategy overall strategy shouldn't ever be the golden plan for everything.

Having to change to what appears is a good thing, overall. Also Codex are simple as shit, its called disorient.

>>386626138
>Killing the Viper King

He was a gud boi who dindu nuffin!

>>386625824
>Stun Lancers

they are especially a cunt on early game

>push forward because tight timer
>you get busted because of patrols appearing from fog of war
>your turn ends as soon as they see you, they get a free movement as soon as this happens
>next turn
>stunner rushes one of your flanked teammates

This is only an annoyance at early game too, timers ain't shit at mid/late game because you have already upgraded everything unless you got RNG'd or aggro'd a pack of mechs.

>>386626608
>pushing forward into unseen territory with a dash
>when every other unit has made their move
yeah you're just shit, you deserve a squad wipe for that shit

>>386625063
>trying playing a piece of trash game that is nigh-impossible to modify

or you could just play a good game instead

>>386626138
>starting up LW2
>doing normal missions with a bunch of rookies
>Viper King came out of nowhere and decimates my entire squad with AOE ice breaths

up to this point the worst enemies I have been fighting are fucking sectoids, I have to restart the whole game after disabling that DLC.

>>386626756
>decimates a whole 1/10th of your squad that has 6 units in it

>>386626756
All you had to do was enable the mission, they won't start appearing until after you do it so you can go through the entire game without messing them them if you want.

>>386592123
Timers went wrong, and faggot infestation like these>>386610813 >>386612343

>>386626748
>implying I dashed
>implying the patrol that came out of the fog or war/buildings didn't came out straight to my flank and broke my stealth

I am not saying this is a common occurrence but it happens. As I said, this is only an issue in early game because you are weak as fuck and sometimes LW2 can give you a location that's 6 turns away and give you around 6-7 clicks on the timer.

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>>386627072
>getting this upset at an optional fanmade mod like it's the game creators' fault it exists

Everything but the character creator
>crank up the RNG bullshit to 11, would be a shame if your guy hunkered behind full cover 10 tiles away got Insta killed becuse reasons.
>almost every enemy has a bullshit attack
>stealth element, but you can't use stealth becuse you need to beat the mission in 8 turns
>more generic art style and music
>alien rulers should not exist
>very poorly optimized
>The commander gets into a dbz fight with the ethereals

>>386592123
Replacing ethereals with troll dolls in skin tight bodysuits.

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>>386625453
One of the best voice packs, too bad there are few lines
Still
>Mac gets shot
>These liberals are trying to assassinate my character!

>>386622448
And in the video yesterday they revealed that when it moves it's immune to overwatch fire.

>>386622706
>>386622832
>>386624849
XCOM1
>give the players a tool so useful that the AI cannot overcome it -- trivializes the game
XCOM2
>rather than give the AI better tools or somehow fix their shit, they just add a gay timer
Wow

>>386592123
Whatever it was, nothing that Rabbids can't fix.

>>386628858
This is not wrong.

It's still not a bad fix.

And they did tinker with the whole "get a shot off if they discover you on their own turn" thing.

>>386592123
too little spooky, faces are difficult to mod (all you get is helmets that look like faces)

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the power creep is ridiculous for both sides, even worse than enemy within, and the game boils down to "use 3 grenadiers and nuke the enemy turn one or eat shit"
also the alien designs fucking suck,the auschwitz survivor mutons, the chrysalids and the avatars all look ridiculously bad
also the timed missions overstayed their welcome, there wasn't enough mission variety in the end
this isn't even touching on the gutted strategic layer, the peak of modern XCOM was Long War 1

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Advent is fucking boring. I want to kill aliens, not alien-human hybrids that act exactly like humans. And the artstyle! Fucking hideous, identityless mess