What's the worst case of a character reboot in vidya?

>>386582613

Thief "4".

Donte.

>>386582682
You mean Thi4f?

>>386582740
Thiaf?

>>386582786
Tifa

>>386582962
Taffy?

>>386582682
This. Nu-Sam and Nu-Lara weren't bad, it's just that they're so different from their original characters. Nu-Garrett is just annoying.

>>386583013
Taffer

>>386582787
Fuck you the latest Rayman games were fucking fantastic.

No donte yet?

>>386582613
New Lara is hotter than old Lara though.

>>386583296
See >>386582729

>>386583296
Literally second post.

>>386582682
Garret, I'm slipping!

>>386583332
If you're a pedo maybe.

>>386583594
>Small boobed, young adult woman
>"Pedo"
Go back to Tumblr, you dumb fucking idiot

>>386582613
I never liked the classic Lara because i can't stand the thrill seeking adrenaline junkie character. So that 3rd reboot(1st was Angel of Darkness, second was Anniversary and the 3rd was 2013) was really up my alley.

But the Blacklist Fisher really pissed me the fuck off. Suddenly a man approaching 60 was moving faster than ever, more powerful than ever and had the voice and personality of a 30-something which was especially apparent when he was talking to his daughter on the phone.

>>386583332
So was nu-Sam, doesn't matter.

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>>386583594

Either Donte or Bomberman Act Zero.

Honorable mention to the Radical Crash Bandicoot games.

>>386583676
so much this
nuw lara can fuck right off
nu sam can suck a dick

>>386582613
Other M

The fucked up Blacklist

>>386583676
I thought Blackedlist was a soft reboot or some shit, that's why Sam has aged in reverse.

>>386582740
>>386582786
>>386582962
>>386583013
Teef.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDBkl5gjbD8

>>386582787
Mario, Duke, Rayman, and Ratchet look fine though.

>>386583332
I've spilled many a seed to both.

New Sam was great.

>>386584103
He seriously needs to shut the fuck up about Thief. He brings it up in every single game review.

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Not necessarily a redesign, but this is what happens when you let the Chinese make your HD remaster. It's fine though. I always wanted Earthworm Jim to have that Chinese Bootleg aesthetic.

>>386582729

This by a long shot.

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>take a guy who was badass for being an ordinary everyday army guy that defeaded supernatural monster hell demons with plain old gunsmithery
>turn him into a mythical superhero Jesus meme figure

>>386582682

Came to post this.

>>386582787

Rayman Origins is my favorite Rayman game.

>>386584215
He didn't bother me, because I was never particularly attached to Ironside due to having played SC a really long time ago, but I can see how some die hard fan of the series would dislike him, he's so different personality-wise. As a standalone character nobody would probably have any issues with him.

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Either this or >>386582682
No question

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>>386582613
does dead rising 4 frank count?

>>386582613
Why the fuck did they turn Lara into a man?

>>386585287
I think it does.

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>>386583910
Bomberman Act Zero is truly a crime against humanity with how much a departure it was.

In my opinion, nothing else comes close. I'm even a big classic TR fan.

>>386585287
What was wrong with him?

>>386587546
Everything, nu-fan.

>>386582682
goes from thieving to pay the rent and possessing nihilistic but intelligent view of the world with a dry sense of humor, to being a retarded kleptomaniac edge kid who lives in a clocktower without need for rent, also has a girlfriend to let herself get in the way of his money.
I've glad Stephen Russell wasn't burdened to give his performance to such a shittily written character.

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>>386587546
not the same character at all. hes more like michael from gta 5 with photos instead of heists. i gave up reading about dead rising 4 after a few hours into launch day, but i think frank dies and is brought back as a zombie or some shit.
what a terrible send off for a beloved character i cant wait to see the shit storm when chief inevitably dies in halo 6

>>386584103
>this fag
stop posting so that you can focus on killing yourself

>>386587940
He DOES look like Michael, holy shit.

>>386587940
why is he wearing niko bellic's outfit

>>386584215
how? he's angry all the time whereas past Sam was in good spirits for banter

>>386589154
he had the gallow's humor to cope with the stress of the operation

>>386589154
He's just intense all the time because of the nature of the op they're on. And his best friend just got crippled. But yeah, he could've used more humor, maybe when interrogating mooks.

>>386590237
anon stop kidding yourself. ubi dropped his character.

>>386590394
Yeah, but I'm just saying he's not unreasonably angry out of nowhere.

Honestly, it was better than having a new voice actor try to be old Sam and mimic Ironside. Now that would be a travesty.

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>>386588460
It's like they literally copied his face.

>>386582729
FUCK YOU

>>386585287
That's not Frank.
That's Fronk East.

I know /v/ doesn't want to admit that a single thing in MvC:I is good, but I am so fucking happy that Classic Frank is in it with his original voice and all. It's good to see that Capcom proper still knows how to do him. "Capcom" Vancouver needs to be burned to the ground.

>>386582729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyUArTDYYVc

>>386590237
I was so mad that BL didn't have any interrogations.

>>386582613
>>386582729
I feel like Sam and Dante are pretty much the worse case of fan abuse ever.

>>386583050
>Nu-Sam

Blacklist was an official entry not a reboot.

>>386595498
Reboots are official entries, are they not? Blacklist would be a soft reboot - something that technically takes place in the same continuity as before, but changes a few things.

>>386583676
>>386584063

this, sam fisher basically got the comic book hero treatment that he's suddenly is 30 years younger while it's still the "old" universe.

imo the new guy gets too much shit for it, he did a good job with fisher (and I say that as someone who still prefers ironside). besides that blacklist was a good SC, as much as you can do with a stealth game in 2013

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>>386582613
Whatever this is.

>>386596049
Blacklist was incredibly fun, I fucking hate that Ubishit only bothers with open world multiplayer games anymore, we should've gotten a sequel long ago.

>>386597056
That's why I said a "soft reboot". It's somewhat of a meme term, but it works here. A soft reboot acknowledges past events, but starts a new story at the same time without paying too much attention to the past.

>>386596910
didn't sell too well, no sequel was to be expected.
dunno if numbers would've been much higher if they've kept ironside, stealth games always have less sales than open world meme games (there's a reason ubisoft shits them out repeatedly).

>>386597964
Ok. It is NOT a reboot of ANY kind. It is a direct sequel to double agent. Would you call GTA V a reboot or a sequel? Exactly

>>386596910
Apparently the talks are happening. I just hope its not a whole new reboot and just continues on from Blacklist.

>>386598528
>dunno if numbers would've been much higher if they've kept ironside
Zero notable effect on the sales. Maybe nostalgia would work on a few die hard fans, but the vast majority doesn't base their decisions to buy or not to buy on the voice actor.

I think it didn't sell well for two reasons, one was the terrible release date and the second was the badly received E3 demo which had Sam going full COD and calling in air strikes.

Also, Ubi should've lowered their sales expectations. It sold 2 million, not bad for a stealth game. They expected 5 million.

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I really didn't give a damn about Crash at this point in time, but man did it still look like shit

Conker?

>>386599073
>Sam has a new face and a voice
>is clearly younger
>Grim has had a complete overhaul as well
>feels like Conviction didn't happen apart from a few throwaway lines
Technically you're right, but it just almost feels like a different universe.

>>386600020

>Sam has a new face and a voice
>is clearly younger

It was made clear in E3 that this is an old Sam in his 40s. His hair is grey as fuck.

>feels like Conviction didn't happen apart from a few throwaway lines

Conviction has everything to do with his position in Blacklist. Its the fucking reason hes a higher ranked personnel now.

Also character model overhauls dont equal story changes.

>>386599361
>the badly received E3 demo which had Sam going full COD and calling in air strikes.
but wouldn't make more sales? stealth games are too boring and slow for the average normie, hence the COD marketing.

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Here you go, what do I win.

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>>386582682
Yup
FPBP

>>386599361
>the vast majority doesn't base their decisions to buy or not to buy on the voice actor.
That's true, but games need to either have great marketing or great word of mouth. Replacing a beloved VA like Ironside killed any chance of positive word of mouth, since all the big fans were shitting on it every chance they could get (and yeah, the E3 demo didn't help).

Ubisoft's marketing was incompetent as usual so the game flopped. Should have just had Ironside in a mentor/handler role a la lambert for a new agent and if they really didn't want to pay for Ironside anymore, killed off the character halfway through. No one's playing Splinter Cell specifically for Sam Fisher, but that doesn't mean you have free reign to do whatever you want with the character with no consequences.

>>386600338
>stealth games are too boring and slow for the average normie, hence the COD marketing
Stealth has been a fairly popular genre for a long time. The problem is just that companies always think that they can reach a wider audience by not REQUIRING stealth, so the games get compromised further and further until they're not stealth games at all anymore. Ubisoft in particular is terrible about that, just look at Asscreed or even MGSV to a degree (though I really enjoyed MGSV).

I don't think you need to compromise stealth gameplay to appeal to normies, I just think stealth doesn't focus test well.

>>386582613
Neither of those.

>>386600338
Because the average normie has GTA, COD, Far Cry for shooty bang bang, why spend your mom's 60$ on something that hasn't proven itself to be a fun shooter. Also, some stealth is still too much stealth for the mainstream shooter audience.

Not to mention, people who watch E3 generally have some knowledge about the gaming industry and SC, while not as big as some other titles, is still a pretty popular game. So people who actually were paying attention to the BL demo and expected a stealth game were obviously confused and disappointed at Sam knocking down doors while Hellfire missiles explode around him.

>>386584758
He was always like that though, except to the ODSTs who fucking hated spartans because they had a shitton of enhancements and equipment that basically made their training and skills worthless, why properly train a soldier when you can simply grab a ton of edgy kids and turn them into spartan iv in like an hour.

>>386599708
They need to actually have a game

>>386601314
>I don't think you need to compromise stealth gameplay to appeal to normies, I just think stealth doesn't focus test well.

that's what I mean there's no appeal to normies. they just want run&gun, explosions and setpieces, not ghost through a map. it just doesn't make the money back spend on a AAA stealth game.

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>>386600287
Dude must've found the Holy Grail in between Conviction and Blacklist.

>>386600496
I'm mad because they justified it by saying she was getting "old" but she was fucking 28 years old, what the fuck.

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>>386602151
TOTALLY YOUNG FELLOW BROS

>>386601940
Focus testing really doesn't mean a game is going to sell well. Just look at what's happened to Insomniac over the years. They were one of the most well loved studios on the PS1, 2 and 3, but right after A Crack in Time they started putting all their faith into focus testing, and just like that their sales and the quality of their games plummeted like a stone. The new R&C was the first half decent thing they made in almost a decade.

>>386602151
>>386602337
He looks kinda like the dead space guy.

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Mr Two guns was fucking destroyed in mgs5, admittedly his character was changed a lot between games but at least he had unique quirks instead of being a "straight talking no nonsense guide character"

>>386601073
Good points there anon. I think Ironside simply said "no thanks, bye" despite other options he had. He doesn't seem like he gives a shit about vidya that much. And Conviction felt like a full stop to Sam's military life anyway. Perhaps he simply told them to get a younger guy without being aware of how iconic is voice has become.

>>386602151
>>386602337
He has that Geralt aesthetic when a guy in his thirties doesn't sleep for 3 days and dyes his hair grey.

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>>386602436

>>386582613
i've felt like tomb raider reboot had so much potential to be something truly great but unfortunately,the devs fucked it up royally and we've ended up with just another bland uncharted clone

>>386602539
If Ironside was that determined to not do it, then they should have just had a whole new agent altogether with no ties to the previous games. You don't NEED Fisher to have a well liked Splinter Cell game. But if you're going to have Fisher in there, it needs to actually be Ironside, not some other actor filling in.

I, and I'm sure many others, would have been fine with them getting rid of Fisher, Conviction and Double Agent ruined everything about the character anyway. Removed all semblance of levity, ruined his entire support team and made him into low-rent Jack Bauer. The idea of drama involving his daughter in the series was so fucking stupid, christ.

>>386601875
I think he was talking about Doomguy, which is even more retarded because Doomguy didn't have any character to ruin.

>>386602337
And he's got the voice and mannerisms of a 30 year old dude. Don't you remember the phone conversations with Sam talking to his daughter? They sound like a regular couple, not a nearly 60 year old man talking to his daughter.

>>386602496
Considering it was advertised that you would be able to interact with him at Mother Base and that was nowhere to be seen in the final game, I think that he was probably meant to get more characterization but it ended up all getting cut.

>>386603432
It seems like Ubi wanted Fisher to be something like Batman, a larger than life character who can simply be rebooted with a different actor. Well, I think that was their train of thought concerning what to do after Conviction.

>>386582613
Lara
>Was classy relic kingpin with a never ending hateboner for local fauna and mercenaries, also big boobs
>Is now ryona fetish ragdol that whines so that you feel a need to protect her while pretending you're not playing a worse CoD.

>>386584758
There's nothing average about Doomguy other than the fact that he is a human.

>>386603935
He was obviously speaking more quietly when on the phone with Sarah in order to sound older, it was pretty funny actually.

But otherwise he has a pretty cool voice. Guttural, but not overdone.

>>386604217
>Is now ryona fetish ragdol
She was always that. The series has been known for horrifying deaths for as long as it's been around. Remember the bone-crunching sound when you screw up a jump in the original? Remember the King Midas death?
https://youtu.be/1f-qA-txhUk

>>386605045
And totally unfit for the character. The other SCs had funny moments too but the voice fit the character, the tortured government killer who just wants to get out but always comes back for "one more job to save the world". Ironside read the script for Blacklist and said he doesn't want to portrait that character anymore since they changed everything that attracted him in the first place.

>>386605045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_t-IOqXS_Q

Watch this. Ironside goes into detail why he quit the role.

>>386607613
So it was around DA when he started to get tired of the role, not BL.

>>386582787
doom marine looks fantastic though

>>386609381
So we can probably deduce that if he didn't like the direction the character was going in Conviction he hated him in Blacklist.

There was this 2min clip from an interview he did after Blacklist at some convention about one of his other projects where he straight up said that he threatened to quit when Ubi showed him the script, was then invited to talk with the creative leads and they couldn't come to an agreement.

>>386604093
But blacklist wasnt a reboot. It was a sequel.

>>386609937
Can someone post that clip? Because the script of BL seems clearly meant for nu-Sam, I really can't imagine Ubi giving it to Ironside. Why waste money like that?

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>>386602435
>Focus testing really doesn't mean a game is going to sell well.
Tell that to Blizzard Interactive.

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Looks like I gotta remind you people

>>386610779
Closest i could dig up was http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Interviews-With-Michael-Ironside-Reveal-Why-He-Playing-Sam-Fisher-Blacklist-47673.html But it's not the clip i'm talking about. It was shot on a potato, Ironside and the interviewer, some fat kid, sat on rickety chairs on some convention floor with tonnes of people passing by and there was a ton of background noise.

>>386603812
He probably thinks the meme Doomguy from the comic is canon.

>>386612091
Blizz sells because of marketing, polish and asians. Focus testing has nothing to do with why their trash sells like hotcakes.